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I Bought a Non Working Fender Tel Ray Oil Can Delay—Pt. 1

What in the world was I thinking buying a non-functioning analog oil can delay unit for $250???

Link to schematic: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/telrayoilcanaddicts/fender-echo-reverb-iii-schematic-t839.html

I do have a new tube I could try and could try a new resistor. 

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 [00:00:00] Emily: Uh, welcome to get offset. My name is Emily and I, uh, I, um, I did a thing, might be in a little over my head. I bought a fender. Tell Ray echo verb oil can delay these. I might beat over my head because I bought this with the understanding of it does not quite work. And I know what you’re thinking, Emily, you don’t work on this stuff.

 

[00:00:37] What are you doing? I bought this from Lena T Fernandez, Seattle legend, Haley, you know, I’ve been told that it works at certain angles. There might just be something kind of wrong with it. A grade from recovery effects thinks there’s too much oil in it. Um, the person that Lino had working on it put the entire bottle of oil into it.

[00:01:04] It got working at some weird angles. So I’m going to be taking some advice from Greg. The first thing I will be doing is taking the oil out of it. And then after that, I will probably be looking at some resources on the internet and friends, if I cannot get this working, but very carefully taking some oil out of this machine, I will be asking for your help.

[00:01:32] Yes. It will be your chance to give me solicited advice. Solicited advice. Yes. Um, get excited. Obviously it’s an some rough ish shit. Some, some toll lacks issues there. Uh, I want to take this and to my garage and see what’s up with it. Join me. All right. So this is the angle I’m going to give you. Hopefully the screwdriver is dainty enough.

[00:02:08] It does appear to be. All right, do not worry. This is unplugged. Let me get my little beer cup, drop my screws into it. So these were created as an alternative to tape delays. The idea was you had to keep replacing the tape in a tape delay. Uh, at the time these were invented. I don’t think people really understood.

[00:02:41] I don’t think the inventor quite knew how they worked just that they worked. But basically I think that and correct me if I’m wrong, because I know you will, they use the same idea as static electricity. So it’s like conductive memory retains the sound. And over short periods of time and we’ll play it by.

[00:03:11] As an echo. So I think that was pretty neat. I always loved playing with static, electricity as a kid. So video playing with us, playing with it as an adult it’s appealing to see is that enough to get this off?

[00:03:32] All right. I first look at the. This unit. Okay. Hope. There you go. See if I can get that tripod. Level here this over to the side.

[00:03:59] Have you breathing?

[00:04:06] All right.

[00:04:12] Whoops.

[00:04:16] So this is the oil can and great for recovery has told me it’s pretty toxic stuff. Uh, someone else has told me it is not so toxic. I am definitely going to err on the side of caution. Uh, I’m going to watch some videos. I don’t want to hurt myself at all, obviously, but. There is they use the oil can. All right.

[00:04:52] Not

[00:04:57] going to Dick around with it too much on this camera. I am going to consult. Expert materials on how to get that out of there, how to remove the oil. Uh, but I do want to show you the tools that I have chosen, the tool that I’ve chosen to do. So from the disloyal, I have purchased a syringe with two banks.

[00:05:31] I shall remove the tubing. I shall remove the oil through the tube and I shall probably put it back into the bottle. Um, yeah, Greg thinks there is too much oil, as I was told the entire bottle was put in there and everything I’ve seen just says it just needs a squash. So yeah, maybe that’s the case. All right.

[00:05:57] I kinda want to see the turns on. I don’t think there should be any danger turning it on, uh, right now. So let’s just try to get the stupid tripod thing set up, not my favorite. Oh two prongs, obviously not super safe,

[00:06:25] not look favorite.

[00:06:48] Actually.

[00:06:55] Let’s look at this here. There we go. Oh,

[00:07:03] turns on.

[00:07:14] Turns on,

[00:07:19] get some dials turned in the front.

[00:07:25] Neat.

[00:07:28] All right, I’m going to my white whale here. That’s an amplifier. I am going to plug the amplifier. And to the white whale,

[00:07:47] turn that up.

[00:07:53] Actually the we wheel has a speaker, so you should be able to hear it. You can put that white whale into another secret as well. I’m going to plug.

[00:08:09] I’m going to go get a different instrument, cable,

[00:08:14] and then an instrument.

[00:09:00] I mean the guitar against my boxing bag. Come back to haunt me.

[00:09:11] It’s a long delay. See if I haven’t passed any signal here. So the volume of the white whale in the middle. So here I have the white whale.

[00:09:30] Definitely a planned passing signal from the white whale. When it’s plugged directly in going to plug the instrument into the instrument, port instrument, one amplifier going into the input. Well,

[00:09:54] not getting any signal. So, I don’t know. Maybe that’s not the only issue that is wrong with this thing.

[00:10:11] Yeah. You can see. Yeah.

[00:10:23] Yeah. Why Lena’s thanks. This is salvageable because of the angle and why Greg thinks it is an oil issue,

[00:10:43] uh, such as the short delays Navy.

[00:10:59] Uh, interesting. So I have a lot of hope for this.

[00:11:08] Nice. I like it. All right. Well, I’m excited. I bought a home. I’m going to unplug this. Because obviously you’re not going to leave it plugged in, but, uh, going to now look up some resources, which I will shout out later in the video and hope that I can get this thing working as intended. All right. Hello friends.

[00:11:41] I am back. Oops. Get that sorted. I’m back I’ve internet. I’m looking at my echo unit, my caliber electronics. I’ve talked to a few people. I have discussed it with them. And a lot of folks seem to think that, uh, there isn’t deed too much oil and this biggest, so I am going to. Take the oil out. So I removed the unit, came through the front, so there were four screws there and screws in the bottom.

[00:12:22] I have placed them in my Fremont Oktoberfest holder and I’m not. And I’m just trying to be very careful. I’m obviously documenting most things. So at the very least I can go back and look, I’m taking great care to not shock nor electrocute myself, neither nor so. Uh, you that over there, listen, it says, if you can see how did 15 volts, I believe I’ve read fewer bolts and that can kill you.

[00:13:08] Not gonna Dick around with that. I don’t want a, I’m going to disconnect this few things as possible again. I don’t want to, you know, make more work for myself and necessary little worried about what that was for. I think that was just to kind of keep these wires down and out of the way, obviously that tape was there as lost all of its stickiness.

[00:13:40] So I’ll probably take that back down as I go. There’s the oil can access that wheel can like, so there’s not a lot of, um, flack here as they would say. So, uh, I am sort of have to be very careful. Very very careful, very gingerly. I will take the top of this oil can off and I will take my syringe with this tubing.

[00:14:26] I will return the, some of the oil to this. I’ve been told I need one and a half. I believe tablespoons at most, this entire container was four ounces, which is do the math more than that. So, uh, the general consensus seems to be, there’s entirely too much oil in this. So I wonder if it’s causing some to kind of like drown out or whatever.

[00:14:56] So I’m going to do that off camera because I will be very embarrassed if something goes. Hey, why aren’t, I’m going to need a third hand by way of my husband to kind of holds the niggas. I don’t really want to disconnect these connectors here. Um, just because if I don’t have to do extra work, I’m not going to, it would be the smart thing to do.

[00:15:22] I know, but then I don’t want to, and also I’m going to need to do some more electrical tape here. Just because that’s coming loose. I don’t know how well you can see that. Oh yeah. I’ll be back in just the Jeff okay. Moment of truth here. I have drained the oil have not put everything back in the chassis cause uh, you know, haven’t done it yet.

[00:15:53] Uh, I might have to put more oil in. So what is, I took out pretty much all of the. Re added just a splash. Um, probably about one and a half tablespoons. And I just have my little trigger finger on. I’m just kinda nervous. Let’s turn that back on. So you can see back there. It’s spinning. I have my little harmony amp down there.

[00:16:24] Let me pull that into focus. So you can hear it. Oh, there it is. It’s pretty little vintage-y guy. So that has no reverb, no echo, no nothing. Let’s see. Oh,

[00:16:46] I think we can call it an echo. Let’s turn it off. Oh my gosh. It works. All I needed to do was wow. I just had to remove the oil and I got a working oil can delay in a long unit, 250 bucks. Holy moly. Let’s see how the short sounds on the short one.

[00:17:15] No, that one doesn’t seem to work. You know what.

[00:17:25] Um,

[00:17:31] that one definitely does seem to work. Maybe it’s just too short. You know what? I’ll take it. Um,

[00:17:49] maybe it’s just too short for this, uh, the way that I’m doing. I feel like I hear something.

[00:18:03] Yeah. I definitely hear that working. So I’m willing to, uh, play around with this a little bit more. I think this thing works. I’m pretty excited. So I’m going to put this back in the chassis. We’ll obviously unplug it, put everything back together and uh, I think I’m gonna plug it into my super reverb and see how it sounds.

[00:18:21] Good Segan. I’m uh, I’m just so proud to be here. I have some good news. I have some bad news. Let’s start with the good news is, uh, I have some delays coming out of this thing. Uh, it’s an even funner. It is, is a super reverb. It’s the tone that it’s a super reverb. Uh, C uh, haven’t miked it up. So what I’m going to go ahead and get to the bad news.

[00:18:53] I’m not making this up completely. I might get up completely. If I had this echo reverb unit working completely, I don’t have a work and completely, uh, I want to get into that, but let’s, uh, as you can see, it did definitely have too much oil in it. I suspect that something was kind of getting a little flood.

[00:19:18] Um, I don’t know, I’m not an expert oil can delays, but big ups to Greg from recovery affects. I was his advice. Um, as well as another Instagram supporter, whose name escapes me, I will give you a shout out on Instagram, um, specifically. So I will think that person there, uh let’s um, let’s get to the good news.

[00:19:43] Let’s hear the good news. This is not working because this unit is not yet. The bad news is no, no dry signals passing through. I have to suspect that there’s something going on with perhaps like some sort of resistors or capacitors, and then they’re connected to, um, the echo volume, but let’s just play around with it.

[00:20:08] Let’s I want to talk about everything that’s kind of going on with this unit. So I turn it on. I kinda turn it past. Pass the second dot there. It’s warming up. It’s on the long delay when it repeats.

[00:20:29] So it’s nothing. And then I get passed around right before the third.it starts going and you can hear there’s no dry signal whatsoever.

[00:20:52] Now this doesn’t concern me too much because eventually like, if I really wanted to use it forever, I could use it. Uh, signal blender to blend and a mix of wet and dry, but it’s not how it’s supposed to work. So how is supposed to work is this is supposed to be essentially a wet, dry blend

[00:21:10] that controls the, essentially the mix of the unit. And then this knob over here as the middle knob or control the reverberation that echo the repeats.

[00:21:25] Until it gets into self isolation, which happens pretty quickly. And then this final knob goes between long short and right. That’s a long, that’s a longer piece. It’s a short repeat, which doesn’t really seem to be working very well. That one’s very quiet. So, so he’s not working there either. So there are two things on this unit that don’t really seem to be working.

[00:21:50] Um,

[00:21:55] I don’t know if it’s that now. I definitely feel like I’m going to turn the volume on the super river. Obviously there’s a big hum there as well.

[00:22:10] I don’t know if it’s, I cannot tell F uh, just because it’s so short and so quiet that I can’t tell if there is in fact. The signal there or that it’s just like so quiet. Um,

[00:22:31] um, or what’s going on there? Turn that back down. Um, and then we can go to the combined.

[00:22:50] So, um, get that back down, turn that back off. I would love to know what’s happening. Um, again, I suspect that it is something to do with that specifically with the essentially what’s the mix knob. So the echo volume knob, there, there are like a ton of forums and things that are all very. Um, so it’s kind of hard to parse through a such, um, I, you want to say like a wealth of resources, uh, because it is a wealth of resources, a lot of very old resources.

[00:23:31] Um, but they’re old and, uh, like it’s hard to search that stuff because I have the I’m having the opposite problem that most people have. What most people have is that it turned that mixed. And they have all dry signal and I’m having all what signal just I’m having. I have no try signal. So it’s like, it’s on what hit it’s the better of the problems to have, because it’s a problem that I can get around with modern solutions, uh, signal blenders, um, AB Y kind of things.

[00:24:08] Uh, so like this. I feel kind of bad saying that. And also, like, I know that like, obviously, like the hard part is getting that it’s getting, it’s getting the repeats to work. So like I suspect, I suspect there’s some sort of like, uh, something that’s happening in that, like the connected to that potential geometer that is.

[00:24:34] Fried or not connected, uh, properly. Um, so I guess I’m probably going to open it up again at some point. So please like, yeah. Uh, maybe I’ll take it back. I wouldn’t have to take it back in my garage anyway, so you’re not going to see it in the next, like, I wouldn’t say it back in my garage and take.

[00:24:59] Yeah. So anyway, after a long dramatic pause, drop the guitar, pick whatever. Uh, yeah. Let me know what you think. I’m asking you. I’m soliciting advice from you. This is your chance. This is your big chance to give me your, your mother knowledge. I’m asking for advice. There’s no such thing as unsolicited advice right now.

[00:25:21] Tell me what you think is wrong with us. Do you, are you an expert? And what’s your experience? Nice. What is, how, why am I only getting what signal? Where’s my dry signal. How can I fix this? How can I make it work? Tell me I’d love to know. Really would really sure would love to know what’s happening up in my business.

[00:25:47] So do you think it’s, do you think it’s as easy as, um, a bad capacitor here? I can fix it myself. Do you think I should like, absolutely take it to like Mike and Mike’s guitar bar or some other expert and have them look at it for me. Uh, cause I could kill myself or something like that. Like, uh, let, let, let me, let me know, like, I want you to be realistic.

[00:26:08] Uh, I want you to like, be realistic about what my expectations should be. I paid $250 for this thing. It’s it’s insane. It’s it’s working in some capacity, which has to be really, really excited. Uh, you know, that’s really cool. You know, I, you know, I bought this thing with the understanding that it may never work.

[00:26:28] Uh, I just said that guy all kind of worked. He’d be like tilted at an angle. I took a gamble. I feel like that is already paid off a little bit. I’m pretty proud of myself. You know, again, thankful to Greg from recovery effects and a stranger on the internet for now. Give me a little bit of advice about how to get it working.

[00:26:47] And, uh, now I’m looking to you viewer for the rest of the advice. So, uh, yeah. Hit me up in the comments and tell me what you think. So, uh, yeah, please like comment, subscribe below for hopefully I hope there’s like a part two of this video that is just a joyous working. Tell Bray, echo verb, video. And you guys subscribe to get a notification about that one, uh, like comment, subscribe below, uh, com please.

[00:27:23] And until next time, uh, my name is Emily goodbye.