Episode 93: It’s Not Just Burger Records

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Hey everybody. It’s Emily from get off set. And, uh, I’m coming at you before the intro today to introduce a content warning for this week’s episode. Uh, and it, we talk about burger records and their predatory practices. Uh, so there are going to be a discussions about sexual assault, a statutory rape, um, soliciting minors for, um, explicit photographs.

[00:00:28] Uh, Emotional abuse, um, and power structures and how things relate to that. There are also some swear words in here that I have not edited out, uh, because I don’t like to edit out swear words when there is a, you know, when it’s a serious discussion, uh, leaps are funny and there’s something funny about anything that’s happening, um, or has happened with burger records and other, especially indie rock performers who have, um, prayed upon, uh, Young young girls.

[00:01:01] So, uh, with that being said, uh, we’re really proud of this week’s episode. Um, it’s not, yeah. As relevant as it was when we recorded it last week, uh, burger records is completely dissolved. It no longer exists, no Murray brand. Uh, but everything else I think is still pretty, pretty applicable. So without further ado, Uh, let’s get into the episode.

[00:01:24] We completely understand if you, uh, pass on this one on some of the themes, but we especially hope that the men listening to this podcast will listen and understand the experiences that, um, a lot of girls and young women go through. Thanks so much for listening and thanks for understanding.

[00:01:55] take it off. Set. My name is Emily and my name is Andrew. And we’re going to work out some feelings on that day of parents. There are a lot of feelings to be had. Yeah. We’re recording this a little bit earlier in the week than we usually do. So I’m sure like a lot will have come out about everything we’re going to talk about today, but we still wanted to talk about it because Dan, um, can’t not be talked about, um, God, it has to be talked about it’s important.

[00:02:27] This, I mean, stuff like this is what, when we started the show stuff like, this is why we wanted to start it. I mean, this is. Behind a lot of what, we’re, what we care about, what we think needs to change for. Good. What we don’t ever want to see again, what we don’t think should be welcomed this industry and to see it start just like CSR servicing up again and see more examples.

[00:02:52] Like I’m glad that people are coming forward to your gut come forward. Like that’s huge. I’m not saying that that’s easy, but it’s huge. And people need to be ousted for this kind of stuff. I mean, it’s easy to say, but. We’re not going ahead of ourselves. I know. I, I want to scream. I want to, we started at 80 miles an hour.

[00:03:12] I think we had to pull it back. Alright. Let’s okay. Let’s pull back. We’re going to go for a, some ASR. Are you ready for this? Yes.

[00:03:24] And that is the sound of me opening up a high West double rye whiskey. And what’s the sound of you pouring it? Let me move the mic real quick. Hang on a second. Here we go. Here we go.

[00:03:43] Can you hear that? Good. Can you hear this?

[00:03:49] I can. That’s my, um, lavender. I infused LA um, some Bombay Sapphire with lavender from my garden and, uh, Mixed it with some bouquet from Wisco cocktails, which is a mixture. Yes. And a smudge of lemon. That does sound lovely. Now, just to clarify, I’m not drinking my feelings. I know I’m a little upset and I, I do have a rule that I don’t normally drink when I’m upset.

[00:04:22] This is a, uh, just a little splash and I, 100% recommend if you do drink two drinks so responsibly. So I just want to get that out right up front. That’s very important. Self care is critical, especially these days. And don’t give alcohol to minors at parties where you’re an adult. That you want to have sexual relationships with just, just in general, not recommended?

[00:04:46] No. Okay. So, uh, what’s new with you, Andrew. Um, wow. Uh, so what’s new with me. Uh, I, uh, just put in an order for a couple more patch ends. So I’m going to finally get around to swapping out the expression pedal on my board, billed for the PN too. So very excited for that. I’m gonna go right to the end of my wet signal chain and I’m hyped.

[00:05:14] It’s going to be some choppy, goodness. Oh, hell yes. That is exactly where that pedal should be. You know, I really hope it works because I haven’t plugged it in since I bought it from you. It works. It works like every other pedal I’ve ever sold anybody. I don’t know. I think it’s going to blow up my amp.

[00:05:35] And can you see, you’re wondering what the hell. Uh, I had sold a flunk better on reverb and the guy. Got it. He said it didn’t work. And I was like, can you send a video that not working? No, that’s about it. I know we talked about it in the, in the previous case. People didn’t listen to the episode of the clinic, you know?

[00:05:53] Right, right. But, uh, I got it back. I filmed a video. It works, it works like perfectly. And now I don’t think I want to sell it. Well, I mean, that’s, that’s almost an ideal situation for a buyer’s remorse is you just kind of hope that they, uh, tell you that it’s broken. I got my restocking fee and reverb was really sweet and great.

[00:06:19] And I talked in the there’s a video. Um, I filmed a video and I talk about how, I think one of the reasons that people shouldn’t be so upset about the 5%, uh, selling fee that Reverb’s moving to from three and a half is because it’s insurance. It’s like, you’re buying, you’re paying, you’re not just paying for like their marketplace, which you are.

[00:06:38] You’re paying for their platform, which you are, you’re paying for the insurance that the, the support team and reverb is gonna make whatever’s wrong. Right. Exactly. And I think there’s definitely a value there, and that is something I can cheers to you ready for this one? Cheers. Cheers. Again. Hi, the actual bottle.

[00:07:01] I just cheeriest on some pliers. That is way more bad ass. Yeah. I don’t know why they’re appliers on my desk. Um, I suppose you were applying something. I was obviously removing a splinter. I don’t know. You clicked splinter. Uh, you were trying to send an email and you clicked reply. Okay. And I actually actually clicked replier.

[00:07:28] All right. I’ll repeat your role. Yeah. So that’s cool. So excited for that. Getting that from our good friends over at sinusoid they’re the best than you are. Um, I I’m a fan, a little bit of a fan and also grateful to be able to call them my friend as well. Just the whole company is your friend because corporations are people, right?

[00:07:56] Corporations are people I’m really glad that they’re able to vote and influence elections. And that’s a corporation. I would feel pretty comfortable voting in an election. Yeah, they’re they’re few and far between. Uh, so I have some news things. Uh, you got famous and you’re leaving me behind. No, not yet.

[00:08:22] Yeah. I think he had about six months. Who knows what could happen in the rest of the year? Uh, no. So my, uh, I had the Squire supersonic from the paranormal series that was released and I, since I kind of have, you know, not the most space and my singer was curious about it. Um, she thought she might buy one.

[00:08:41] I loaned mine to her. And, uh, she, she decided that she actually, she wants to get the cyclone whenever, whenever those come back. So I reached out to a friend Lawler, um, put in an order. So I bought some of their Imperial humbuckers. I got a low wound and the neck, and I got the F spacing for the bridge.

[00:09:06] Which I like, uh, like the thought of, and I talked to our friend, Sean at gunshot wiring because, uh, the supersonic traditionally has just two volume knobs, no tone. So I talked to Sean, like, can I get. Master volume master tone and maybe split coils. Ooh. So I did, yeah, I did that today and Oh my God. I went from really liking that guitar, but thinking it was a bit of a one trick pony sonically to just, I love it.

[00:09:40] I love it so much. It’s a multi-track horse. Yes. It’s a, it’s a Jack of all trades. It sounds a lot better on cleans, which is important. And the clarity you get from the single coils and the push pull pots is just excellent. So I have a video, it feels named this is the videos already out. Give it a, give it a Gander again.

[00:10:07] It’s quite lovely. I only did one thing wrong. I think that, I think I did something wrong, but I don’t think it’s a big deal. Like it’s just a, the switch is backwards, but no big deal, no big deal. You know, it’s funny you say like the toggle switch. Yeah. I think it’s backwards originally on the supersonic too, or the it’s either that has a volume knobs are kind of opposite of what you’d expect.

[00:10:33] First time I swapped that pickups on a guitar ever was on an Epiphone SG. And I was like in high school, I remember swapping out the pickups. You’re like, cool, we’re all good to go. And then I was like, something was off with a wiring. I couldn’t figure out what it was. Cause I was, you know, a total newb. Um, and I like to say that I was, I like to say that I was a total newb.

[00:10:54] So we look past the fact that I still am absolutely amateur, but wasn’t it. Uh, I put the, uh, uh, the toggle switch leads and backwards. So I went to go flip down and I was on the neck pickup. I’m like, what’s going on? Where’s all my pills. Yup, yup, yup. Yup. Not that bass. No treble. My friend used to play bass for her.

[00:11:21] I’m not kidding. I, I think that’s actually pretty cool. Yeah. It’s pretty funny. Oh, I was going to make fun of that. In an instant made the calculation. Nope, that’s actually, I can respect that. He was also in an episode of, um, what such this is us and glee. As, as Pete, as a person in the band, it was always funny to like, watch like good morning America or whatever.

[00:11:53] And Megan Trainor beyond it’d be like, he used to be my basis. My hero, he upgraded quite a lot. Oh. But, um, yeah, so it’s really good. It’s, uh, I’m really digging it and I, you know, can, we can do more, do more stuff with that guitar. And also, I probably shouldn’t even taught, I’m not going to talk about it, but, you know, gigs will return when they return.

[00:12:23] Oh snap. Yeah. Is that is cryptic in the most delightfully tantalizing way? Yeah. Well, when I, I think it’s confirmed, but. I just am not sure. Uh, supposedly my band will have a social distancing live stream gig on a rooftop in Seattle. That is some high class stuff. That’d be really fun. So it will, if there won’t be an audience, it’ll just be like the video crew.

[00:12:54] And I watched a couple episodes of it. Already and there’s, there’s, there’s a distance being kept between the team and the band. So, um, yeah, I’m hoping that that actually does happen. And isn’t just something that kind of disappears in the wind. Like the rest of our gigs. Since, since basically, uh, the first week back in my day, we played gigs and live venues.

[00:13:21] There were people there. It was wonderful. Sometimes, sometimes they would dance, but sometimes they would just sit there with her, their arms crossed and did the empathetic chicken. That’s when you kind of like bop your head around, but only up and down and forward. There’s this always, this there’s one young lady at my shows that would just yell back to the bar.

[00:13:42] Hey, little buddy. Where’s my, you did not at any point, get me whiskey during that concert. I did several times. That’s how I was getting back to the front. People are letting me buy. I’m like, Oh, I’m getting someone to drink. I’m getting someone to drink. Hold steady. Fans are good about that. And they’re like, Oh yeah, rock on, dude.

[00:14:01] Yeah. They’re not set for that one guy. Does that one show? There’s always that it’s not even worth pregnant. That one guy don’t make them famous. Come on. Don’t be that one guy. Don’t be that one guy that everybody talks about, like knows who everyone else is talking about when they say that one guy. Oh yeah, that guy who.

[00:14:24] Uh, it’s like my biggest fear is dying and some kind of way that people read about it in the newspaper and they go, Oh my God. But people who didn’t know me, like a stranger will read the circumstances of my death and it will be like, Oh, it’ll give the nightmares or something. That’s like, I don’t want to die in a freak accident or anything that makes people go, Oh my God.

[00:14:45] Oh, HIO woman insert headline here. Oh my God. Yeah. There’s a reason that that’s not a thing. I was just talking with a, okay. So I was on the phone with Albert from sinusoid the other night, and we were chit chatting and he was telling me about, um, telling you about one of his first jobs. And he, he heroically saved a life and he was telling me the epics.

[00:15:11] I don’t want to share too much detail in this, but it ask, are you allowed to tell any about, are you even allowed to mention any part of that? You know, he shared it with me in confidence and I probably shouldn’t say any more than I’ve already said, but he, he heroically saved life. And if you know anything about Albert, uh, you also he’s, he is a Florida man.

[00:15:30] He’s from Florida. And I was like, so he’s a good kind of Florida man. And Joe is a good kind of Florida lady. Oh, totally. Uh, I was like, dude, that’s these are the kinds of headlines that we need. Like Florida man saves life. Heroically. Well, I read one side. The reason that like Florida man became a meme, basically it’s because there’s like some weird law in Florida where like every crime that occurs gets published in some way.

[00:15:58] That’s a little bit more public than everyone else’s like crime bladders.

[00:16:06] Great entertainment value. I’m not going to lie about that. Oh yeah, absolutely. It’s human human entertainment is pretty, pretty fun. Oh, totally. I mean, it’s like he did what to that Gator. Ooh, man.

[00:16:22] Good for him. Yeah. Um, no, you could do that with sweet tea. Oh my gosh. I don’t want to know any more about the context of that. I, I, there is no context. I’m just, I’m throwing together a phrasiology here that just leaves it wide open for people’s imagination. There was one of my favorite, I think was Florida couple arrested for selling tickets to heaven.

[00:16:49] That’s a good one. No, they arrested Joel Osteen. Ooh, wait, wait, wait. I have that sound effect.

[00:17:00] Oh God, I don’t want to talk about the prosperity gospel or whatever right now, France Hales wealth. What’s the third one. Let’s just tell them wealth. The prosperity. Oh, health, wealth, and prosperity.

[00:17:19] $25 will buy you three prayers. Come on, give me a break. He really, I don’t know. I don’t, we’re just, we’re just like in a mood. It’s what happens when we record on weeknights? Doesn’t it? I mean, I let let’s recap. We’ve gone through sexual predators, Florida man, and prosperity gospel preachers. I think all we’ve got left is politics.

[00:17:44] Oh, yeah. Oh my, yeah. And I’ll, I’ll just. I, you know what, I’m not, I don’t want to say thing about politics cause you know that I’m going to we’re under oath. Well, you haven’t tell it let’s let’s say we even talked about co Oh gosh, we’re just so close to where, where the, where the frigging secret police is just randomly picking up protesters in Portland and taking them in unmarked vehicles, unknown locations, telling people that if they tell to the people they follow to find out where the friends being taken, they’re going to get shot.

[00:18:20] Can’t say I’m a fan. I’m always, you know, I’m always, really has an intimate to draw comparisons to Nazis. Cause I’ve lived in Germany and I visit doco and, uh, and I was switch it, getting to see that in person and realize how beyond screwed up. Some of that was and like, wow, like, It’s just, it’s a different level of perspectives.

[00:18:41] And so I’m always really hesitant to kind of make that jump. And even I’m starting to go, I don’t, I don’t know guys, the math doesn’t add up on the story while I don’t like where this is going. I’ve always thought the first person to like, make a Nazi or Hitler comparison, an argument just automatically lost that argument.

[00:18:59] But I can’t say that anymore because now I’m like, ah, Oh, it’s too close. It’s too fascist. I mean, I’m not even, I’m so hesitant, hesitant to make these jumps sometimes and probably to a fault, but I am more than willing to jump up and be like, ah, this is not cool. I don’t like it. Um, It’s, this is not democratic.

[00:19:24] This is, this is, this is the kind of activity we used to justify as reasons for why we were invading other nations. And so where, where, how does that add up? And I don’t think it does. Help us if you’re listening outside of the United States. Right? So here we go. We’ve already scared off tons of people who probably need to hear the message of what we’re trying to actually talk about in this episode.

[00:19:48] Yeah, that’s true. Let’s let’s skip that. Let’s get, should we just leave? Go ahead. Thank our sponsors for answering our antifascist messages. Yeah, why don’t we go ahead and thank our sponsors because they do deserve thanking. Uh, if we don’t, you know, just take things from other people for free and yeah, I guess I’ll start, I’ll start with guns street wiring.

[00:20:15] Go for it. Episode of get offset is sponsored by guns street, wiring based out of Portland, Oregon. Love you. Shawn. Shawn is the man behind the wiring kits and all of my modified guitars, and he helped me with the, uh, the supersonic. Wiring kit. He put that together for me. And he was so confident in my soldering abilities.

[00:20:42] He didn’t even, I was talking to him after the bill and I was like, how do you, how did, how do you. Gives us anybody, little solder points, because it was really so much stuff in such a small space. And he’s like, Oh, a lot of practice. And then he, he said, you know, I was, I was going to offer to like, put the leads on, so you wouldn’t have to solder directly to the pots or anything.

[00:21:06] But, um, last time I was in Portland, he took. Uh, another guitar that had my star caster, he took it after the show. There was something weird with it that ended up not even being a soldering issue, but it was just like an issue with, with a knob that I put on the pot. Uh, and he, he was really impressed with my soldering work and he said, I’m just going to test her this one.

[00:21:32] And it didn’t put any leads on it. And I did it just fine. I’m so proud of myself. And I’m so grateful for Sean for having that. Level of confidence in my soldering. Yeah. I mean, it’s no secret that you know how to play lead guitar. So naturally I think that drinks, that, that skillset moves over really well to soldering.

[00:21:53] Yes, absolutely. But, um, Sean makes great things. He has a lot of stock wiring harnesses, uh, just basic improvements stuff like. Better parts, better parts, or like you can do wild things. Like if you check out my video for the square star caster, I say he calls the black dog wiring harness. It turns both of my humbuckers into single coils.

[00:22:16] It’ll do series. It’ll do parallel. It’ll do a kill switch. Like there’s really, he can, he can it’s seemingly limitless what he can do. Okay. Sonically limitless. I mean, you can ask couldn’t hurt. I mean, I’d be attempted to, I don’t know, I’m just kind of hungry. I’ve been trying to eat less and I really difficult.

[00:22:45] Could gravy, hang on. I said gravy gravy sounds good. Well, you know, then don’t think about oranges either. Um, oranges. Oh, I do like orange. Are you at the orange? Cause I need to tell us about something orange. My spidey senses are going off that I need to talk about something orange. They’re just it’s time for me to evangelize to you about the color orange.

[00:23:15] So strap in boys and girls. This is going to be a wild ride. What am I done? Lapsing gravy, subsidy gravy. It’s making me hungry. Anyway. Orange color, not the fruit. Uh, is the color of a certain fuzz pedal, not just any fuss metal, but it’s the spun loud, blister and peel. Now, why am I telling you this? I’m telling you this because you need to buy it now.

[00:23:39] Why do you need to buy it now? That’s an excellent question that I did not expect you to ask why you need to buy it is it’s a dual fuzz pedal. That’s got a wickedly. Insane range of what it can do in terms of sounds, which means why would you need the eight drive pedals? If you’ve got something so versatile, it can really compress down.

[00:23:55] You’re like seriously, and I haven’t even gotten into the orange part yet. Seriously. So if you, if you can cut down the number of drive pedals you have on your mega board and still get the same range of sounds. I see that as a win. Second of all, as we’ve discussed previously, here’s the thing about oranges, the reason why 2020 is happening and I’m just leaving that as open-ended as possible is we.

[00:24:16] I tried to warn you guys as a profit for the color orange. I tried to warn you guys that if we didn’t make orange, the, or make 20, 20, the year of orange and the guitar industry, that things are going to go terrible. I said this at Nam several times, and I got laughed at. And here we are. So do yourself a favor to the world, a favor and do your tone a favor and do the weight of your board.

[00:24:37] A favor by yourself, a spun loud, blister and peel today it’s available. It’s very affordable, very reasonable. You have to support small dozer, no idea how much it costs. So spun out is based out of, uh, Seattle, Washington. And that’s, it is a dual fuzz that has a very wide range on the blister side. It can basically go from there.

[00:25:01] He moves to an active buzz and then the appeal side is more of a traditional fuss and it has the tone knob. It’s really slick. It’s beauty. Beautiful. And as Sandra mentioned, it’s orange. But yes, it is also affordable. I’m just teasing Andrew. Now he’s, feverously going to the spun land website to look at the price of the blister appeal

[00:25:26] or not he’s muted. I don’t know where he is. Sorry. The page said four, a four, not found, I didn’t know what to do with that information. I just kind of assumed it was, I admit, I assumed it was affordable and now I’m second guessing myself. Um, that’s what? Sorry. I’m chewing ice.

[00:25:51] $200, right? No, I’m seeing it for one 65, one 65, my God. Wow. Okay. I think that settles it. I, if you don’t buy this, I really think you have no excuse for why you haven’t saved. Yeah. That’s extremely affordable. Oh, it’s got little rainbows inside of it. Oh, look at that. Am I the only one? Like the first thing I do when I get a new pedal and like, I don’t even plug it in.

[00:26:26] I just open it up and I look at the guts. Is that weird? No, it’s not weird. I usually do that. I don’t know why it happened. Let’s get a little rainbows on the inside. It’s beautiful. You’re slacking. You’re slacking on your game. Oh, it was also a choking on some nobody drank.

[00:26:50] Alright, I’m better now. So I need to call the fire department, but you would need to call Rick. And if I was actually just choking on something while this night. You would need to call my husband and I hope that he answered. No, I actually don’t know if I have his number saved. Well, it’s five, five, five.

[00:27:10] It’s just getting, um, it’s four, zero one. Kidding again. Uh, yeah, so the topics, not a very fun topic this week. Um, so Andrew, I got to ask, had you heard of burger records before this week? I admit, I have not heard of burger records before this week being from California, but I guess it wasn’t really your type of music, but burger records is an independent record label in Los Angeles.

[00:27:41] That has been, they’ve just been like, look cool kids for, for so, so long. Some of the big bands on their label include like, Uh, shoot tie, tie Seagal, and the gardens at one that my band, uh, Sunday crush likes a lot. Uh, the growlers, the, uh, butter tones, I think cherry Glazer. That sounds right. Um, but I first became aware that something was very, very wrong.

[00:28:19] When Clem from cherry Glazer posted, um, on her Instagram account. About an incident she’d had with Sean Redmond. The, I don’t want to say an incident, uh, Sean Redmond of the butter tones. Um, I’m just going to put allegedly in front of everything. I believe Clem, obviously the band bullies Clem, because Sean Redmon got fired from the band, but, um, he, like, he was four, he was 20, she was 14.

[00:28:52] And, um, That’s statutory rape. They had sex. Um, you can’t legally have sex with a minor, so that’s rape. Uh, and that this was not the only incidents of this kind of thing  in, in burger records where, uh, teenage girls especially are preyed upon. Um, for sex by these 20, 30 year olds in these, in these indie bands that have been signed to the label.

[00:29:30] And apparently it was just such a toxic culture that numerous allegations have been made against three, four, five. I’ve lost count at this point of the bands on the label, including the butter tones, the growlers, um, and it’s. It’s horrifying and deeply sad how unsurprising it is that this still happens in these kinds of music scenes because teenagers, especially and teenage girls among them.

[00:30:05] We turn the, you turn to music at that age as a place of belonging. And when you think you’re being accepted into the scene, that means so much to you. Like the music is your life and these adult men who are in these bands that you listened to or attach to these bands that you listened to. Um, once your time it’s very flattering.

[00:30:27] And then when you realize that what they want to sex it, uh, it gets really scary really quickly. Um, and that seems to be something that was permissible at burger records and just permeated such a large part. Of that entire musical scene. Right. Right. And so I opened up this episode kind of wanting to talk about culture and why we, why we do what we do and, uh, our whole goal.

[00:31:00] And what we’re doing here is we’ll get off set is on one hand to really kind of cheeky pun. The other side is there’s a more serious side of what we’re doing. And our goal is to offset the culture of the gear music industries, uh, in a positive light. And. When we see stuff like this, it hits on a really deep level.

[00:31:20] Um, for me specifically, it hits on a level of, I studied to be a youth pastor for my, uh, an undergraduate. I studied theology, pastoral studies. Uh, we’ve got a huge place in my heart for teenagers and. Uh, how much they mean, and to see this kind of stuff, not only is this just flatter, angering, but it’s also, it clicks that button of well.

[00:31:42] What if, and what about all of the people that, what about the people who saw that and just said, okay, well, that’s not my problem. And moved on and they’re reading through some of the accounts. And again, we’re going to leave this wide open to allegations, but of course, I believe these allegations cause people don’t make this stuff up and you start reading through all this and you start getting a more of a picture of how pervasive this culture got to be.

[00:32:06] Uh, and this isn’t necessarily unique story either. I mean, this is no, I mean, this has been this kind of, I remember being young. Andrew. I remember being a young girl when EMA was huge and those big emo bands at the time they were preying on young girls. They were Skyping having. Video transfer these young girls, asking them to take their tops off.

[00:32:31] And if the singer and your favorite band of Alzheimers asking you to take off your top, I mean, you might do it. If you don’t want to do it, you cause you don’t want to lose that relationship that you had that friendship with the person and you’re young, you’re inexperienced. You’re scared. It’s always happened.

[00:32:49] It’s painful to me that it’s still happening. Totally. And in those instances, I mean, 1000%, there’s so much power dynamic that the, the people conducting themselves are fully aware of they’re capitalizing on it for selfish gain. Uh, it’s not some sort of an innocent consensual sort of manner, but more so I’m trying to speak to it as just the greater culture of, regardless of whether everybody participated in it.

[00:33:16] Everybody in that scene who knew about it is complicit and I’m not, look, I get it. It sucks to have to call out your fellow dudes. And we were like, Hey, like how old was that girl, man, like, what’s going on? But I get that. That’s not a fun conversation, but you’ve got to have that conversation. There’s this is longterm consequences for this kind of stuff for, for victims of statutory rape and.

[00:33:45] It kills me thinking about how this, the possibility of this could have been avoided. If we’ve got more people in the scene that we’re willing to step into step up and say, absolutely not. Because to a degree, as much as I have faith in you entity, there’s going to be predators in every scene too, to a degree it’s whether or not once they’re discovered how that’s, how that’s handled and if the way they handle is, Hey, we’re selling records.

[00:34:11] So you know what, we’re just going to. Let’s not talk about that too much. We’ll just keep your problem under control and call it a day. That’s that’s so insidious and that’s as bad. It’s almost like they were just looking to see how as long they could in you window about it. I mean, these, these, these, these are bands where the singers take to Twitter and they joke about all the jail bait at their shows and they use words like jail bait, and there are always teenage girls around and you have to wonder, what does a 20 field four year old dude?

[00:34:51] What to do with teenage girls. They’re like, I don’t want to say that young men should never take talented young woman under their wing and help them and coach them and mentor them. But. I don’t, you should never try to date them. You should never try to sleep with them. You should always make sure it’s not just the two of you in the room, not for your own protection, but for her protection, like guys, don’t do this.

[00:35:26] Do not sleep with girls who are in high school. If you’re not also in high school. End of discussion. You have no. Business doing that you have no business having teenage girls at your parties, giving them alcohol to asking them to take their tops off doing these things. Because every ask is just like a, how far out of this girl’s comfort zone is she going to get?

[00:35:55] At what point is she going to stop? She’s going to turn down the drink. I give her, then you’re not going to knock it to hang out with her anymore. She’s not going to flash the entire room because you asked her to. She is not going to work out. And it’s just, it keeps escalating because these young girls want you to think that they’re cool because that’s all, any of us want as teenagers is for the adults that we want to be in the adults that we want to be around to think we’re cool.

[00:36:27] Yeah. I mean, there’s, it’s, it’s so much of a power manipulative dynamic that. It’s insidious. It’s disgusting. It’s completely unacceptable. It’s something that I want to see come all of the oxygen in the room that allows for this to thrive in any of the scenes. I want that to be sucked out and I want this to no longer be able to thrive in any scene where there be the indie scene, the pop punk scene, where it’s had its fair share of ugly, uh, ugly issues.

[00:36:59] R R N B with R Kelly every day, every single one. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it’s, it’s every scenes in one way or the other ends of inevitably having some of this crop up and it didn’t get to that point because people didn’t know about it. It got to that point because people knew and didn’t say something. So, I mean, that’s yeah.

[00:37:24] I remember a few years ago that, um, I don’t want, I, should I name, should I name a name? I mean, it’s, it’s been public ish. I mean, sure. I don’t know. Hutch Harris from the thermals was tweeting multiple times over the course of years to thermals Twitter, calling young girls at shows jail bait. And that is some like red flag language.

[00:37:51] Do you want to fellows? You want to know how to tell which one your friends is a pedophile, because that’s what you are. If you sleep with a minor, you, uh, if they are using phrases like jail bait is one of them nudes, like ask them why they’re saying that I quiz people on why they’re using this weird, gross language.

[00:38:11] Why are you sexualizes children? Clem was 14 years old when Sean started having sex with her raping her that’s that’s that’s God, that’s so upsetting. I can’t lie. I was 14. Like I wasn’t ready for that. I don’t think most people who are 14 are ready for that with boys, their own age. It’s not right. Yeah. I mean, there’s, there’s so many, so many layers to it.

[00:38:49] Um, I don’t know, think, I think my, my big takeaway looking back on some of the accounts that are coming forward is wanting to encourage everybody. I know, looking at the breakdown of our listenership and our followership across our platforms and, uh, knowing that we. W, uh, as far as gear platforms go, that we’ve got a relatively high number of women that listen, but we also have, uh, overwhelmingly large amount of men and to take a quick sidebar and speak to the men.

[00:39:20] Like, dude, you see this, you speak up. It’s going to do way less damage to you. If you lose a friend, if you lose a business connection, if, if you lose a record deal, it’s gonna do way less damage to you. All of that pales in comparison to the level of trauma, when someone is raped under in any situation, that’s not even that shouldn’t be a calculation in your head.

[00:39:45] You’re like, Oh, well, what about me? Dude, let don’t worry about that. The seam will see that what you’re you’re doing, and you’ll find some support if you’re not finding support where you’re at, you’re in the wrong spot. So if that you got to stop making that your calculation, you gotta speak up, stop letting other dudes get away with the shit.

[00:40:06] stop it because you’re the reason like guys. You’re the reason this can happen because you cannot blame the victims because I could sit here and I could repeat the things I was told when I was a young girl about these things. Things like don’t go to parties where there are adults don’t drink. If you do drink, don’t get drunk.

[00:40:27] Don’t put yourself in these situations that. Is that such crap. I mean, it’s cause it’s, you cannot blame the victim in the same way that you can’t blame. I, that would be, that would get too political. I’m not going to do that. Um, you can’t blame the people who don’t have the power. And that happens a lot in our society.

[00:40:49] We want to blame people who don’t have the power for some reason, cause they’re easy scapegoats. And when you tell girls that they should do this and this and this to protect themselves and only, and yeah, you should be aware, you should know that there are predators out there. You should be wary of, of strange adult men offering you beer.

[00:41:10] Like yeah, you should be worried about those things, but. If something happens to you, it’s not your fault. The only person to blame is the person who hurt you. And you can also, for the record, you can play their friends who let it happen, who knew it was happening. Like, do you know that guy who calls teenage girls Jailbait who always talks about how hot 14 year old girls are, who doesn’t ask young looking women, how old they are, who, who invites teenage girls to parties and gives them alcohol?

[00:41:41] Um, You gotta, you gotta keep an eye on that friend because something, something bad could happen. It has the potential will. That’s not a statement that that is a very much, it will happen if you don’t stop it. Right. If you don’t, if you don’t sit down your friend and say, This is not okay. We, as a culture, do not condone this.

[00:42:07] You like, cause if that, if this person like cuts you off and cause you out of their life and you lose like a couple opportunities because of it, you still did the right thing. And that’s also not your fault. That’s the bad person’s fault that those bad things happen to you because they’re such a bad person.

[00:42:24] They don’t want to confront their own failures as an adult human. Right. Right. So, and. I think that’s that’s, that’s definitely the message. I want to, uh, anyone listening to this, that’s the message I want to take the way is for those implicit, you’ve got a responsibility for those who are complicit. You have a responsibility to speak up and another, another wrinkle and something to consider is if you’re in.

[00:42:54] You’re listening to this and you’re in a position where like, should I say something, you’re still doing the math on this thinking about whose responsibility it is to speak up. Let me just, I’m going to give you a little bit more information to work with. If this is something that you’re trying to calculate out is for read through accounts of sexual survivors, sexual assault survivors, and, and you start reading through the question will inevitably come up from people is like, why didn’t you say something sooner?

[00:43:23] Because frequently people don’t speak about these things for years and even decades. And you start listen to those stories. You start to realize that it’s not so simple as. Oh, I got raped. I should say something. It’s it feels like it’s so cut and dry from the perspective of a man who can w if someone disrespects me, I can punch him in the face of assuming that we’re not in a time where we got social distancing, but like, if someone was talking to my face and saying some disrespectful things at a bar or whatever, it’d be fair game for me to.

[00:43:54] Knock them on the floor. That’s relatively acceptable. That’s not the power dynamic that we’re talking about though, with women in sexual assault survivors. So let’s reframe that conversation for, for how we’re considering what that looks like to just come forward and recognize that that’s not so simple.

[00:44:12] And I mean, and I mean, for you to be the one to speak up power, isn’t just physical power. I mean, having power over somebody. Can like, this is why it also, if you’re in a band, you shouldn’t date a fan because that’s going to be a bad guy, power dynamic. That’s always going to secretly be there. It’s an often a dynamic for people in relationships where one person makes a lot of money and one person doesn’t make any money or one person’s a lot older than the other person.

[00:44:39] Um, Or just, there are lots of other factors that can create unacceptable power differences within a relationship. It’s the reason, uh, if you’re, if you’re someone’s manager, you’re not really supposed to date them or they can’t still be your employee, they may have to change their roles in the company, or you have to sign some waivers because there’s going to be that power dynamic.

[00:45:01] And what Andrew just said about physical power is true enough. Um, I mean, I think the number one rule of like, Being a woman who takes boxing lessons who can throw a punch, who’s been hit, um, never throw a punch without fully expecting to get punched back. And the amount of hurt I can put on a person pales in comparison to the amount of hurt.

[00:45:27] Just like even like an average size man can put on a person. Right. And I, you know, I, I didn’t bring up like the physical thing. Not like I’ve had an experience with like decking, someone in a bar or something that’s actually done just before you guys get any wild, wild visions of me, like who are in the punches, a last resort, dude.

[00:45:54] Um, so, I mean, that’s not the kind of guy that am, but th the lesser with a physical, but more so of the, it seems like a much more clear cut calculation of, Oh, this person just did this to me, and I’m not going to stand for it. And as a, as a white dude, that just seems like a pretty straightforward calculation because I’m not, I’m not.

[00:46:15] Worried about the fallout I’m going to get from that. That’s not a calculation in my head. The calculation starts and ends with someone wronged me and I’m going to do something about it. That, that, that is the calculation and that there. There’s an absolute privilege and being able to just kind of make that calculation, not worry about how that affects my career.

[00:46:36] Not worry about how that affects it’s my relationships nearly to the same extent that it would be. If, uh, I mean, you see sexual assault survivors will come forward and if it. It’s frequently a family member and they’ll be like, well, why didn’t you say something sooner? It’s like, well then my family might not have believed me.

[00:46:51] I might’ve gotten distanced from a lot of people I love and care about. And a lot of the people that I consider to be my, my immediate support network, I can’t afford to alienate them. And that says the exact same thing that happens when women, um, Who are in music scenes like this report, what happened to tell somebody else what happened?

[00:47:09] They get shut down and they risk ruining the cause. Having a career in music is already so like iffy that if you even start to make progress in it, and then you do something that could. Potentially completely alienate you from your entire social circle. That’s your entire professional network also. And you can get no, because in the case of look at the case of how Ryan Adams, as a, as a sexual predator acted and the stories that have come forward through that and realizing the power dynamic of how that impacts the lives of survivors.

[00:47:51] Uh, was the lives of survivors. I apologize for mispronouncing that. I mean, that’s. My, my point in all of this is it’s not the same calculation. And so to my fellow men, look, I, I, you’ve got to engage age a little bit of empathy here for just a moment. I understand that the calculations that you and I are having these kinds of situations are, it’s not the same thing at all.

[00:48:16] It really isn’t. And I wish there was a way for it. I wish there was a way for me to phrase that in a more like straightforward, like, dude, that’s not how it works. Uh, and so I’m just going to say, that’s not how this works very different lives from our female counterparts and, uh, female not. Um, and, uh, non-binary, uh, at all, basically one, who’s not a white male.

[00:48:44] You, my brain’s emotion right now. Yeah. Good. And it’s not, it’s not the same. We’re not playing with the same deck of cards. We’re not, we’re not, I insert sports metaphor here because I’ll be stereotypical man for a moment. Uh, it’s not the same thing. So let’s engage some of our empathy here. I know we’re capable of it.

[00:49:08] Recognize the power that we have in these situations to make a meaningful difference and to be able to stop allowing cultures like this, to live out in. Thrive in any sense of the matter and the more I’m reading third recounts of burger records specifically in this particular case is it did thrive, but it wasn’t anything stopping them.

[00:49:28] There wasn’t any chance. And the guys that had a label, they’re like, Oh, we had no idea we weren’t policing. And on one hand, you’re like, well, I know they don’t even have like cops contracts with their bands. So maybe, and then fricking article from, from on virus, from like, what year was this? 2013 where one of the questions was, Hey Lee leaving one of the founders.

[00:49:54] How old was that girl you had sex with in my basement? Lee, um, brackets extremely long pause. I don’t know. Interviewer response. Good answer Lee. She was legal. She had a Mohawk brackets. Laughter it’s funny. Think it’s funny to. To do this to young girls, they think it’s funny to rape young girls. This is what, this is what this is.

[00:50:22] These are the, this is a founder of his label seven years ago, joking about raping having sex with a minor it’s and to call her legal is weird and gross too, for the record. And then he didn’t know. Referring to someone by their legality and invariably, any scenario I’m not, not great. I’m not a fan. Really can’t say recommend that move.

[00:50:51] Um, but I don’t believe for a second after. Briefly reading through some of the allegations on the table that every dude in that scene didn’t really know what was going like maybe some of the newer bands that have been signed on and are based out of other cities. And they’re just kind of the record labels, their means of distribution and marketing.

[00:51:12] Fine. I don’t know. Somebody fans like worked with Mac DeMarco, knowing that he essentially filmed. Uh, amateur porn in front of a bunch of miners. This is the guy who plays, shows, invite miners back to his home. He get them drunk, he himself, or get drunk. And I remember this, the story is that one of his friends got so drunk.

[00:51:33] He just started masturbating on the sofa in front of a bunch of teenagers and Mac DeMarco filmed that there’s pictures of this, this event happening. Yep. Again, not great. I’m making a real bad, a very brief allowance that there might be a handful of people in the scene that didn’t know, but let’s be honest by and large.

[00:51:54] Most of the folks in the scene had to have known to some degree or another whether or not they witnessed it themselves, or if they heard people joke about it, or there’s a level of kind of just accepting things are the way they are that had to have happened to allow this to thrive. And that’s, that’s where I started to go.

[00:52:12] That’s that’s that’s that’s really problematic. I’m not okay with that. No, nor should you be, nobody should be like let’s, let’s normalize, uh, men calling out men for, for making jokes about girls in sexual ways. Let’s just normalize saying, what did you just say? Or my personal favorite is what does that mean?

[00:52:41] What do you mean by that? Right. Asking the question. What does that mean? Uh, clarifying questions and just leaving the ball in their court and not being okay with it. I don’t know, man. It was just joking around and it not accepting that as an answer. I think little things that you can do, like that make a huge difference and making sure predators don’t feel comfortable to carry on making outage.

[00:53:04] And if you’re responding in that way, I think there’s also. The higher likelihood that that person will back down from it. And maybe think a little bit like why, why is that funny? Why is raping minors, children funny? It’s not funny. It’s not that’s

[00:53:27] yeah, I’m running, I’m running out of words. I. I’m glad that I’m blessed. I’m very glad that burger records passed on my band. I actually, I’m so glad

[00:53:43] all reading through all of this brings out a very deep level of emotion that I don’t necessarily feel on a day to day basis. There’s and I far, it’s not, I’m not trying to make the point that my emotions right now are important. Um, but. There’s a level of grief that I, that I’m feeling empathetically for victims.

[00:54:06] There’s a level of righteous anger that I’m feeling against predators and, um, You know, there there’s this one thing I’m going to get slightly religious for just a moment here. There’s, there’s a passage in the new Testament that talks about those who lead young people astray, then, you know, teenagers included, uh, that it’s better for them to tie a millstone around their neck and have them dragged to the bottom of the sea.

[00:54:32] And that’s something that,

[00:54:36] yeah. Whoa. That’s pretty heavy though, for the new Testament. I’m like, yeah, dude, don’t screw up the children. That’s not okay. We’re supposed to, we’re supposed to be taking care of the vulnerable that’s part of this whole deal. And that’s something that as I studied to be a youth pastor at one point in time, that really stuck with me is trying to understand the responsibility that comes with that.

[00:55:00] And whether or not you like what the church is doing. There’s a level of under collective understanding that you’ve gotta take care of the youth. You’ve got to take care of young adults. They are vulnerable people. And that collective recognition, uh, is, is not anything new. This isn’t news, huh? No, this has always happened.

[00:55:22] People have always been aware of it. Um, I can I read a tweet really quickly? Yeah. Uh, so this is, uh, At Mike underscore Whitaker. Uh, I asked my friend once who used to book all ages, punk shows if he ever miss it. And he said, quote, I regret ever creating an environment where 30 year old men and 16 year old girls were ever together without adult supervision in quotes.

[00:55:47] Uh, yeah, no, the, these, these, these types of shows needs. They need to be separated. And I really feel bad saying that they need to be separated or there needs to be supervision. In the room and all the spaces like kids can not there. You have to supervise for alcohol, you have to supervise, and I’ve played all ages, shows, knowledge has been used and I’m a 30 year old woman.

[00:56:07] And like you don’t yell, sneak booze into them. You don’t. Right, right. I mean, there’s, there’s a level of responsibility that venue owners have. There’s a responsibility that record labels have to keep tabs on the behavior of their bands. There is a responsibility that all band members and support staff need to have.

[00:56:27] And this is where I’m looking at it from the perspective of. It doesn’t matter if only three or four people are doing it, which has to be clear in this case, it sounds like there was way more involved. But yeah, so a lot, it’s like a shocking amount. It’s like, this is probably people who wouldn’t have done this.

[00:56:42] Otherwise, if they weren’t in an environment that fostered it.

[00:56:48] Exactly. And it’s about that environment. That’s fostering it. I want that status quo to change. I want it to be a Relic of the past. I want it gone. I want, you know, it. All ages shows are great. They get the idea of inclusivity and getting people excited about music from a young age and understanding how powerful music can be.

[00:57:09] I think those are pure and wonderful things to have, but they’ve gotta be done in a responsible manner in a way that we’re protecting people who are re and recognized by the law by, by a whole wide range of folks that these are vulnerable people that are. That you’re looking at and going you’ll, you’re not, it’s very possible.

[00:57:31] You’re going to make some bad decisions. If no one’s around to help you guide you through that. I mean, these girls can look like adults, but they do not have the life experience that a grown woman has. And they don’t have that perspective on the place as a world. And I think part there’s, there’s a couple of reasons.

[00:57:46] And I, and I think that part of it is that a teenage girls, they don’t have that life experience to recognize abusive situations. Or have the confidence to do anything about it if they did. Um, and they probably don’t feel comfortable talking to their parents about stuff they shouldn’t, they shouldn’t have been doing.

[00:58:04] Um, so I think that’s one of the things that like these, these men, because of what comes down to is they’re all, they’re abusive men they’re abusing these girls. And I think they probably have a lot of. A lot of trouble finding, you know, a woman, their own age to abuse because those women are probably, they have more experience to compare it to, they could talk more openly with their friends and loved ones about what’s happening in their lives.

[00:58:27] It’s just such a different dynamic. And that’s the reason that I’m so that when a college sky asked me on a date, when I was in high school, that my mom didn’t let me go. I’m glad she was right. I don’t, that was dumb. I don’t know what I was thinking. I thought, Oh, he’s fine. He’s kind of nerdy or whatever.

[00:58:46] I’m like, what does a 19 year old guy want anything to do with me? I’m in high school. So go, go mom for that one. Um, yeah, God, it’s just, there’s a reason that these predators are praying on young girls and it’s because these young girls have a lot less, they can do. Or feel comfortable doing about it?

[00:59:12] Well, um, yeah, I don’t know if there’s anything more for me to say at this point. Um, talk about what burger records is trying to doing to rectify the situation. Cause it’s kind of it’s, it’s, it’s funny. It’s so bad. It’s funny kind of way. You know, I, you know, I’ve been following a little bit of it and I think we’re recording this episode better part of the weekend had lots of fun.

[00:59:38] I just want to, I want to talk about it with you. Let me, let me say the things. I will let you say the things with a caveat that the likelihood of this changing by the time this route, this episode drops is. Okay, but because I got to talk about why it’s dumb and why it’s a bad idea. So even if it does, I just want it to be cemented while they hired a PR lady to switch things around.

[01:00:01] And so far, what is, cause I’ve always said behind every terrible man, there’s a woman who’s protecting him. Who’s worse because that seems to be the case. There’s either a victim or a woman protecting them. Who’s worse. Yes. That’s just how I feel. It seems to generally be the case. There are exceptions.

[01:00:21] That’s my caveat. She’s changing the name to from burger records to be RGR Rex, R E C S. And they’re creating an all lady label it, a bird girl. Which is a laughable in that there’s almost like it’s like, there’s a tweet. I saw. It’s like burger records. This is our record label for artists. And this is our record label for lady artists.

[01:00:45] Nobody wants this woman speaking. We don’t want that. We don’t want to be the woman band. We want to be the band, a band events, not a band. It’s kind of funny. I imagine looking at it. I did. It’s funny. It’s so, so weird. You know, the older I get the less likely then to jump to. People like executives like this, or, uh, it PR people they’re not dumb.

[01:01:19] They didn’t get to where they are by having half a brain. So the question is not why the, how laughable this is. The question is what is that accomplishing? And immediately what comes to mind is all of a sudden Google searches for burger records are flooded with all of these counts of sexual predation and abuse.

[01:01:38] You changed the name just a little bit. So you’re still retaining your fan base, but you’re confusing what you’re getting out of web searches and you’re mixing it all up across several different search terms. Yeah. Well now every time someone looks for burger records, they’ll find burger records, burger racks, formerly burger records.

[01:01:53] Let’s not let them accomplish whatever they’re trying to accomplish. Right. I mean, I, I don’t like that. I don’t, I think it’s a halfhearted attempt. I don’t, I I’ve yet to see anything from the label that it’s a serious attempt at trying to rectify it and undo the level of. Uh, the, the ability that that culture created to allow these predators to survive.

[01:02:17] So I guess the question becomes, at what point do you say this is a lost cause there’s no amount of rebranding that’s going to make up for this. This culture just needs to die a full death and let the other record labels in the industry take over. Hmm. Cause at a certain point, like. It’s broke and I’m not sure it can be fixed because by the time you fire, everybody involves, uh, which is we’ve discussed, has got to include the people who are complicit, just kind of kept their mouth shut.

[01:02:47] Uh, what’s left, honestly, what in the world you have left that’s of any value aside from a fan base attached to an arbitrary brand name. Hello? That you’re already changing. So yeah. I don’t know. I don’t know. I obviously there’s some answer in terms of intellectual property distribution network. There’s, there’s things there’s value that labels bring to the table that don’t get created overnight.

[01:03:14] This label doesn’t need to have contracts with their artists. They’re nothing more than like some guys who made some decisions about which vans they went to release. Music for that turned out to be bands that people wanted to listen to. And half of that is timing. Yeah. I mean, I don’t know, you don’t get to name recognition like that without doing something right.

[01:03:39] Business-wise and I’m sure that there’s some sort of a business value. Otherwise they would have just shut things down and started a different label. So they’re trying to retain some of the value that they built. I, it makes sense from a pure cold-hearted business perspective. I get that, but the question that is at what point do we all collectively say no dog?

[01:03:58] Just let her die. This is the point. The point is one salted minor. What? Assaulted minor is one too many assaulted minors. Throw out the whole bath water in the baby with it. Do it. The baby’s already been assaulted. So all I just like, so if you’re, if you’re a young girl who’s experienced this, if there’s just, just, no, just please understand that.

[01:04:31] Like you can say no to these guys. When you get to be an adult also. So you’re not, you’re not missing out. You’re not missing out. Just know that you’re not missing out as much as you feel like you’re missing out. And that if something terrible happens to you, it is not your fault. It is one person’s fault.

[01:04:50] And that person is not you. It’s not you. I promise you that. And. Please reach out to someone that you can trust. Whoever that is. Hell if it’s us like cool, awesome. Dope. I anything, no that it’s not your fault. And as for this happened to you, when you were 15, 16, 17, it wasn’t your fault then like it’s there, there are always going to be men who are predators and there are.

[01:05:21] It’s just, what are, what are the, what are the community going to do to the platform, those people, and what are the people in that person’s life going to do to grab this person by the shoulders, shake them and say you are being a predator. You need to think about your life choices. You need to change them.

[01:05:44] Because I feel like, like, like I said, like, I just don’t think then it would be this widespread at burger records. If there wasn’t a culture that approved of it and that fostered it and not let it happen time after time, after time and made it. Okay. Even made it something that was like bragging rights.

[01:06:02] There is no way if you take away someone’s ability to feel safe doing these things that victimize others, they’re not going to do them. So yeah. Educate these fools. Yep. There’s one last talking point. I want to bring up ever so briefly. It’s a very brief soap box. So please. Please bear with me. There’s boxes.

[01:06:27] This episode, it’s an important, it’s an important conversation that needs to be had. It’s an important conversation. I think this conversation is important because I know that there are other sex of this industry that are experiencing this similar levels of just general acceptability around this kind of behavior.

[01:06:47] And there’s people involved in that going, should I say something? And I think they need to hear this. I think they need to hear this. I think they do. They do need to say something. And this is part of us collectively say, standing up and saying this isn’t okay. Now the thing that I wanted to bring up ever so briefly, and I don’t want to.

[01:07:06] Dig in and share my whole thesis on this, but the concept of, Oh, well this is just cancelled culture. And there’s this notion of trying to dismiss people, trying to shut down platforms because of bad behavior, as saying it’s just cancel culture. And I don’t want to dig in too deep into that. Other than to say, in this particular instance, if that’s what your response is going to be over statutory rape.

[01:07:34] Go home, rethink your life because I’m sorry, this is not the gray area. You think it is, this is not cancel culture. This is those people need to be locked up in jail. They need to be put on a sex offender list. They need to not be allowed cool near schools. I mean, there is that level of, this is what people get.

[01:07:53] This is what death penalty advocates are willing to say that like, yeah, this is one of the things. Yeah. You want people to be executed for. So there’s really no level of. This is just cancelled culture. No, this, if this isn’t a moral high ground that you’re willing to jump in on, come on, seriously, come on.

[01:08:12] You really need to take a step back. So this is like one of the easiest things. So this is one of the easiest lines in the sand. We’re we’re giving you a soft pitch here. Like if you’re going to cancel anything, this is something that it’s like, come on. This is, this is really underhanded. Like. Come on you should, you should.

[01:08:32] The bar is on the ground guys. It’s on the ground. It’s it. It’s it’s all ask teenagers too. Flashy. You. Don’t try to rape them. You know, I know you think you’re doing something else, but like someone came forward. So if you, if you wanna know more about this whole saga, I think the Instagram handle is at Lord by burger records.

[01:08:59] There’s a couple of different ones floating around, but that’s the one that. Yeah. That’s the one that I think most people are sharing their own stories with, including an intern who he says that when he was working there as an adult man, uh, the people label encouraged him to hit on teenagers by giving them pre merge.

[01:09:18] So, yeah, it was a culture, it was an entire, um, so check out that, uh, Scroll through Twitter, if you’re brave. Um, but these stories will haunt you they’re bad. And there are a lot of them, and this is not a rare case. This is not an exception. I mean, how successful was R Kelly for how long raping, raping teenage girls marrying them, trying to, so, um, yeah.

[01:09:52] Uh, you know what I’m going to, I’ve got to rerecord a trigger warning at the beginning of this episode, I just realized that I need to do that. I realized the beginning that that probably should have been how we opened things up. And we’ll definitely edit that back in and yeah, I’ll there. If you’re listening, you heard, you heard my intro, so I’m.

[01:10:10] Yeah. So, and if, if you’re the kind of person who doesn’t think that content warnings belong in front of, in front of conversations like this, I don’t know what to tell you. I don’t think you understand. You just don’t understand being confronted. She is not delegated to only work. That’s that’s not how that works.

[01:10:28] It’s still very early for work. I’ve got several war vets in my family and my friends circles that have PTSD. And it’s tragic and I get it, but that’s, it’s not just war sexual assault survivors experience that. So let’s all collectively engage our empathy. It’s not something you get over. Right. So, I mean, I don’t know.

[01:10:48] I’m just trying to ask every beat, everybody to have a dash of empathy here throughout this entire episode, I guess is kind of, that’s kind of my summation here and also cancel culture is the new satanic panic. It’s funny. I’m going to take her for that one. I needed, I needed a life after all of this grief.

[01:11:12] It’s a lot to process. It’s a lot to process. It’s a lot to take in. And if you had to listen to this episode, multiple chunks, I get it. Break it up a little bit. Thanks for listening at all. Yeah, I think we can say with. Not that we’ve been insincere in the past, but with more sincerity than ever before.

[01:11:33] Thank you for listening and thank you for understanding until next time. I’m Emily. And I’m Andrew and that’s Michelle. Goodbye.