Get Offset Episode 125: A Gross of Guitars with Mike Adams

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Get Offset Episode 125: A Gross of Guitars with Mike Adams

Emily: Let’s just pretend that worked in the first time.

[00:00:12] Andrew: Welcome to the get offset podcast. My name is Andrew

[00:00:15] Emily: and my name is Emily and we heard today. We’re here today.

[00:00:21] Mike Adams: Oh, I’m sorry. Is that my cue? Hi, I’m Mike Adams offset obsessed guitar nerd and star Trek fanatic. That’s me. Hi,

[00:00:33] Emily: taxi sweater, pushy.

[00:00:37] Mike Adams: That’s me a hundred

[00:00:38] Emily: percent. Yes, this is the second time Mike’s been on the show, but the first time since we have a video format, so if you are watching.

[00:00:47] Or listening if you’re listening, you could actually see Mike’s pixelated face. Probably. I don’t know. Our

[00:00:54] Mike Adams: internet in Pennsylvania is dog shit. It’s so bad. I get, I guess, best per second upload. So I bet the quality. Hey, okay.

[00:01:04] Emily: What’s cool. Is it generally records to your computer and then

[00:01:07] Mike Adams: uploads all six.

[00:01:09] So that’ll take 70 hours

[00:01:13] Emily: may be late. We don’t know yet, but we’ll try

[00:01:15] Mike Adams: to

[00:01:15] Andrew: keep the episode under three hours to, to prevent your download time from or upload time from

[00:01:21] Mike Adams: thanks, eating. I appreciate that friends.

[00:01:25] Emily: You might have to take it. Go drive to a place that has more, less.

[00:01:35] Could you email this file

[00:01:39] Mike Adams: please? My man book

[00:01:43] Emily: can’t handle it. It cannot handle the store.

[00:01:47] Andrew: You could do. I was reading the story about about internet speeds in South Africa. They had a contest to see who could deliver like X amount of gigabytes across like an 80 mile distance, the fastest and someone entered and just put an SD card on a carrier pigeon.

[00:02:03] And one, because the internet was so

[00:02:05] Emily: slow. I didn’t think carrier pigeons. I thought the passenger pigeons were extinct.

[00:02:10] Andrew: It was a pigeon. It was some sort of Avion. It just took the SD card to the destination and it was faster than the, all the other competing ISP.

[00:02:20] Mike Adams: That is, that is the wildest story I have heard in at least six hours.

[00:02:25] That is incredible.

[00:02:28] Emily: Six hours getting stolen. Okay. So the wild Wilder at a one, what’s the one 30 where you

[00:02:34] Mike Adams: are, yeah, I’ve been awake for at least three hours and I had some weird dreams. So I’m including those

[00:02:42] Emily: For that number

[00:02:46] Andrew: one way or another, we’re going to get you, get you, get, you, get your content.

[00:02:50] So

[00:02:51] Emily: I was actually, that’s where my brain went to. Wow. That’s great. Right. To Blondie. Right? Debbie, Harry.

[00:02:59] Andrew: Well, Mike, how have you been? It’s been

[00:03:02] Mike Adams: two years since we had you on two whole years. I’ve been really well. We, if you don’t know you do, but if you don’t know Intrepid listener we used to live in long beach, California, and in November we moved back to my hometown of York, Pennsylvania to be with family and to kind of get a handle on things.

[00:03:24] What, with the pandemic the dreaded P word. Yeah, it’s, it’s been really good to be with family. It’s been a lot of fun you know, safely hanging out with what friends I know. You know, one of my oldest friends named Greg still lives here. So I’ve been waving at him safely and hanging out, talking music.

[00:03:43] I’ve been taken on guitar repairs, and I’ve been really putting in the effort on the old YouTube channel. And that has been maybe the most exciting development of this entire last year has been the realization that I am capable of making videos some of varying quality, but I think it’s going pretty well.

[00:04:01] I like your videos.

[00:04:04] Emily: I think the super secret discord. Yes you

[00:04:07] Mike Adams: did. Yes, you did. And I need to figure out how to click on it because I’m nearly 40. I don’t know what to discord. It

[00:04:14] Emily: does expire. It does expire and wait for

[00:04:17] Mike Adams: real. Wait, let me look at how much time do I have, I’ll do it right now. Oh shit.

[00:04:22] Emily: Four

[00:04:23] Mike Adams: days.

[00:04:24] Oh. Oh. Did I already expire? No, I clicked join. It’s a big green button. That’s easy buttons.

[00:04:35] Andrew: Usually less exciting than the red buttons, but also usually less consequential,

[00:04:39] Mike Adams: the shiny Gotti Ren and Stimpy fans. And no, nobody

[00:04:46] Emily: got that Stimpy. Wasn’t really my favorite, to be honest.

[00:04:50] Mike Adams: Yes. I was not supposed to be watching it, but I did.

[00:04:54] Emily: I’ve firmly believe like you, when you say that you weren’t supposed to be watching it because I probably wasn’t supposed to be watching and I did not

[00:05:00] Mike Adams: come from home. Is this supposed to be watching a lot of shit? Like a care bear? Well, I got care bears eventually, but like anything that bordered on what my parents thought witchcraft was, I wasn’t allowed to.

[00:05:13] Oh yeah. Ooh. They had people in my church had problems with Gargamel from Smurfs. So Bergen Mel from Smurf, he is the I’m going to eat the Smurfs. I forget what he wanted to do with the Smurfs, but he wanted them gone or in his boiling pot, I completely forget what his whole Steeze was.

[00:05:41] Andrew: if it was like foreign slave, generally oppressed and you know, all the sorts of actions that white conservatives have a problem with. And

[00:05:55] Mike Adams: okay. That’s very good. That’s a very good take. I love that.

[00:06:02] Okay. That’s my politics boiled down. I’m anti Smurf

[00:06:11] Smurfs. Hey, did you hear how I pluralized Smurfs Smurfs?

[00:06:22] Well, that makes sense. Cause like you don’t

[00:06:24] Andrew: say you say, Whoa,

[00:06:28] Emily: you say loan, archers have loans. We broke Mike. It’s been five minutes

[00:06:38] Mike Adams: Smurfs. I’m gonna to think about this, the rest of the day. Smooth.

[00:06:44] Emily: Cool.

[00:06:45] Mike Adams: I’m sorry. Anyway. Oh my God.

[00:06:49] Emily: Oh, wow.

[00:06:51] Mike Adams: Pleasure. Is these days folks I’m old enough where, you know, just takes, takes the one little thing to get me going.

[00:06:58] Emily: Man. Yeah, that feels good though. It feels real.

[00:07:02] Mike Adams: It feels real. Good to laugh

[00:07:06] Andrew: is so important.

[00:07:09] Mike Adams: Feels real good boy.

[00:07:13] Emily: Got a real good laugh.

[00:07:14] Mike Adams: I got a real good left there, buddy.

[00:07:17] Andrew: Got a real, pretty laugh. Something magical about laughter and not in the witchcraft sense.

[00:07:26] Mike Adams: Oh. I’m not allowed to left for bed. Wow. I didn’t, I didn’t know. The production value had gone so far. Damn. You

[00:07:38] Emily: got sound.

[00:07:39] I have, I have my little soundboard. What? I really wish. I remember. Remember there was an Arnold Schwartzenegger soundboard and I was like, who is y’all daddy? Who’s your

[00:07:49] Mike Adams: daddy? Listen to me. I loved it. That sound board. If I remember correctly, had Mr. Freeze quotes, she’s giving me the cold shoulder. I love it.

[00:08:01] Oh, that’s my favorite Schwartzenegger role.

[00:08:06] Emily: He really committed. He committed. He

[00:08:08] Mike Adams: was, it was very impressive. Is very impressive.

[00:08:11] Emily: It’s an impressive man. Nick cage is bad or like, Oh, I think they said like Phoebe Bridgers Schmitz hurt her acting. Smashing that guitar was as bad as watching a Nick cage, Nick cage commits to everything he does.

[00:08:26] And sometimes the roles are bad, but he commits so heavily

[00:08:29] Mike Adams: to them. It has already covered the Bridgers smash gate incident. But I just want to comment, Dan electro guitars are incredibly difficult to smash. There are, there are so few people who could have done better than her Mason night does not give so no, it’s, it’s great.

[00:08:47] She, it Valley and effort. I enjoyed the production value of the sparking fake monitor. That was my favorite part. I thought that was really funny. My stage manager friend, and I immediately talked about it. She was like, that was a miss time charge. I was like, yeah, I didn’t go off at the right time. But I loved it.

[00:09:06] I’m fully in support.

[00:09:09] Emily: Anyway, that was good. I made like. I made money off of that video. People

[00:09:13] Mike Adams: watched it, you got on that, you got on that grind. And I was very proud of you. I had also thought about making a video, but I was like, you know what? I don’t care. I don’t care.

[00:09:28] Emily: You know, I don’t want to, I don’t want to sound like I didn’t care, but like, but you couldn’t imagine. I think as I put out a video because I thought too many people cared too much.

[00:09:40] Mike Adams: Yes. And the exact right thing.

[00:09:45] Emily: Here’s. Your your, your dumb, stupid comments. And here’s why it’s wrong.

[00:09:50] Mike Adams: You struck while the iron is hot, you did it.

[00:09:52] I haven’t. I mean, yeah, if I, if I had cared just a little bit more, maybe I would have to, but I was like, I don’t feel like making a video today. Like that’s not going to happen. I think I was just in

[00:10:03] Andrew: shock with how upset people were over. I’m like, you guys say rock and roll is here we go.

[00:10:10] Mike Adams: Are you not entertained?

[00:10:12] Emily: God, it’s always entertaining when you’re hanging out with entertainers.

[00:10:16] Mike Adams: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It’s it should be a show it’s theater. It’s spectacle. Come on to have a little fun. It

[00:10:23] Emily: was, it was freaking hilarious. Honestly,

[00:10:25] Andrew: a lot of the same folks that had a problem with that were like, but also like kisses, their favorite band, like look at all of the absurd theatrics that they had.

[00:10:33] Like, come on. I scoop

[00:10:35] Mike Adams: it’s performance. I only liked players who naturally shoot sparks out of their stocks. I only like it when pickups spontaneously combust on their own. Ridiculous.

[00:10:45] Emily: I really like it when the neck is just glued on just enough that it smashes really

[00:10:49] Mike Adams: easy. Oh, you’re not a real star man.

[00:10:51] Unless the makeup is tattooed on your face, bro.

[00:10:57] Andrew: That’s how we got post Malone. So

[00:11:00] Mike Adams: Whoa, go on after posting. Oh my God. Do you have like clout for that? Do you have the cloud card to go after posting? Oh no.

[00:11:11] Emily: He doesn’t have stands like Taylor Swift does. That would like eviscerate us maybe.

[00:11:18] Mike Adams: I mean, you never can tell these days everyone’s got to stand and

[00:11:22] Emily: you know, I really hope that nothing comes out problematic about him because I find him genuinely likable.

[00:11:27] Oh, about posting. Yeah. I think he

[00:11:30] Mike Adams: seems likable is hot ones. Your view is really fun.

[00:11:33] Emily: Oh, is it, does he seem like a nice guy?

[00:11:35] Mike Adams: I can’t tell. I can’t tell him no ability to judge. I’ve only ever seen him in the music videos and in that Norman’s video and I’m hot one. So he seemed nice in the

[00:11:44] Emily: Norman’s video.

[00:11:48] I think it’s funny that you start getting those tattoos because Justin Bieber had a lot of tattoos. He’s like, I’m harder than Justin Bieber. That was how it started. I like these, this music. And you’re like,

[00:12:01] Andrew: I don’t know if I believe half of the Calvin Klein ads being harder than him is I thought

[00:12:07] Mike Adams: that was kinda McKennan.

[00:12:08] And then I say, if a person is truly hard, then they don’t need the tattoos. Hard.

[00:12:16] Emily: Someone can truly write a song. They do not need to smash a guitar.

[00:12:21] Andrew: Doesn’t matter how cold it is.

[00:12:24] Emily: What is David Crosby really written? Wasn’t he just kind of like the vocalist guy in that band.

[00:12:31] Mike Adams: I don’t know. There’s, there’s a reason that nobody talks to him anymore.

[00:12:36] Emily: There’s not that famous. Neil Neil young quote, like, like David Crosby could write up, should write a book called why no one ever talks to me anymore.

[00:12:46] Mike Adams: That’s great. I love it,

[00:12:48] Emily: Gwen. Javier, he wrote Gwenna veer. And then,

[00:12:53] Andrew: I mean, he’s written a lot of lines, but none of them were lyrics. So

[00:13:00] Emily: you thought about that one for awhile. I feel like,

[00:13:04] Andrew: sorry, cocaine jokes.

[00:13:08] Emily: We know we knew what that joke was

[00:13:10] Mike Adams: about. I don’t know what any drug is. I’m too innocent.

[00:13:14] Andrew: So there’s this thing called witchcraft

[00:13:15] Mike Adams: and I know all too well, what? That means my little pony.

[00:13:22] Andrew: Oh, don’t go there.

[00:13:25] Mike Adams: It’s sat for entirely different reasons.

[00:13:27] I love that show. I loved the while the old show in the eighties, I was a big fan. I had my, my Nightrider Michael Knight action figure and a couple of my little ponies and I would make them marry each other weird. I had a weird childhood where like certain things were forbidden, but also I had my little ponies and I had Knight rider and I had all, like, all my toys were very disparate and of different genres.

[00:13:51] So, you know, creativity had a lot of fun. Love, love that I put that out on the internet. Great. Well, we’ll just make sure to clip that and

[00:14:00] Emily: no, I don’t really edit these. I’m not going to edit

[00:14:04] Mike Adams: this.

[00:14:05] Andrew: No, you can just clip it and also publish it separately.

[00:14:10] Emily: Oh yeah. Have fun. You can do that on my camera.

[00:14:13] Mike Adams: Make a weird, a YouTube thumbnail with a lot of like angry looks.

[00:14:18] Mike had my little ponies.

[00:14:23] 10 things you

[00:14:24] Andrew: wish you had known before you watch Mike Adams, YouTube channel.

[00:14:28] Emily: Wait till you see the thumbnail for the video. That we’re the secret video that we’re working on together.

[00:14:35] Andrew: Can’t wait to see it. I can’t wait to hear about it. It’s secret. I don’t

[00:14:39] Mike Adams: know secrets.

[00:14:42] Emily: I’ll tell you later. You can’t

[00:14:43] Mike Adams: say anything.

[00:14:44] It’s a secret. Don’t spoil the secret.

[00:14:48] Andrew: Can’t spoil the secret. I should be surprised.

[00:14:51] Emily: There’s so many secrets as episodes that we can’t talk about. It’s kind of a bummer, but Hey. Something cool happened to me this week and I can

[00:14:59] Mike Adams: absolutely share I’m sorry for that sense.

[00:15:05] Emily: My band Sunday crush we released a cover of the Sante gold song, lights out as part of a compilation called the rich, which is a compilation of covers from the gossip girl soundtrack. So that’s on band camp and all the money goes toward a great cause.

[00:15:24] Mike Adams: I love it. Congratulations.

[00:15:26] Emily: No stereo gum and Brooklyn vegan.

[00:15:31] Brooklyn vegan. Both wrote about the cops.

[00:15:33] Mike Adams: Oh yeah. Congratulations friend. Thank

[00:15:37] Emily: you. Yay. Exciting. And it was the first first time I played guitar on a record with Sunday crush on the album. Yeah, it was fun. I recorded all the guitar parts and the synth

[00:15:49] Mike Adams: parts. Allison’s parts. Well,

[00:15:53] Emily: I used it. I played the Enzo.

[00:15:55] It’s so cool. It is. It is, it was really cool. You listen to it with headphones so you can enjoy the hard panning.

[00:16:03] Mike Adams: Oh, another site that’s underrated.

[00:16:08] Emily: Yes. I also got some new stuff. I got these two walrus pedals. The  cool. So I haven’t played with him very much, but I’m excited. And then they’re sending me the one soon, so I will have to build a whole stereo board.

[00:16:29] Mike Adams: That’s exciting. Can I show you something I got this week? Yes.

[00:16:34] Andrew: It says Ernie ball.

[00:16:36] Mike Adams: It says,

[00:16:41] Andrew: Oh

[00:16:43] Mike Adams: yeah. My, my buddies at Ernie ball and I have been talking a lot lately about offsets and string length specifically because there’s some, some brands the high E almost doesn’t reach the tuner on a jazz master. I’m sure you’ve experienced that. So. We’ve been, we’ve been making some adjustments here and there to try and accommodate extra string leaf.

[00:17:06] Cause there’s like five extra inches on a jazz master string line. So we’re we’re working on that. We’re making some adjustments and that might actually bleed into the rest of the string line. So I’m really excited about that. Cool. Baritone strings are specifically for my Creston offset, baritone liters, also strings don’t catch that thing.

[00:17:28] It’s too long. So yeah, I’m really excited to fire those up. I don’t think there’s a body shape

[00:17:34] Emily: on that crest in

[00:17:35] Mike Adams: Berry. Wait, let me get it. It’s just a Jazzmaster.

[00:17:42] Dun dun

[00:17:43] Andrew: dun dun dun dun dun dun dun.

[00:17:51] Emily: I always forget. Vader’s a baritone. Yeah.

[00:17:55] Mike Adams: Oh, nice.

[00:17:56] Emily: You got a baritone tele conversion neck for my offset Telecaster.

[00:18:01] Mike Adams: That’s going to rip. Yeah, it

[00:18:03] Emily: is. Oh, I love it. I got the Lawler royalty in the neck pickup and just the classic tele bridge. Well, I might get a Seymour Duncan bridge pickup for the tele offset

[00:18:13] Mike Adams: millions.

[00:18:13] Awesome. That’s a really good idea. I hadn’t even thought about the offset Telecaster, but that’s a really good platform for a baritone. That’s a really good idea. Yeah.

[00:18:23] Emily: Well, are you wired to hell and back? Like I’ve already done so much. I put the big B on it. I got the four-way wiring. I got the Stratocaster voice, neck pickup.

[00:18:32] And I’m like,

[00:18:36] Mike Adams: what length snack did you get?

[00:18:39] Emily: The fenders, the one that’s on their website

[00:18:43] Mike Adams: or the. Trying to remember what that is.

[00:18:48] Emily: Honestly, I’m kind of embarrassed. I bought this months ago and just have not really access my garage. Like most of the winter, I like put off projects, like the parts castle, concierge, body.

[00:19:00] I just kind of like, didn’t do anything with it. And now I’m like, all right, I cleaned up the garage. Cause I think the big thing is it was just a treadmill in there for like,

[00:19:12] Mike Adams: I mean, what is this period of time, if not for putting off projects that you could easily finish in a day or two? I have so many of my own, I fully understand.

[00:19:22] I feel personally attacked by no, I made it. I’ve got so many things I’ve been meaning to do. And. Who knows. Maybe I’ll get to them someday. Finally got fretwork tools. So yeah, finally, there, there are some, there are some things I’m going to finally have to do, and I’m not looking forward to it. Like my, my 12, I need to completely level and crown that thing.

[00:19:47] And I’ve been putting it off for years, you know, guitar, tech problems, hashtag guitar tech complaints.

[00:19:58] Emily: Yeah. So I guess speaking of guitar techs, we helped Steve salvage from the hold steady fixes.

[00:20:03] Mike Adams: I’m excited about that. I’m glad that we tag team that hell yeah.

[00:20:08] Emily: I was just like asking questions. I’m like, so it just stopped working suddenly.

[00:20:12] He’s like, Oh, a couple months ago. And I was like, And the outputs. Okay.

[00:20:18] Mike Adams: Yeah. I, I, I usually don’t. I try not to pop into people’s DMS with unsolicited advice, but Steve and I have talked so much recently that I was like, this’ll be okay. And I just immediately wrote, I was like, check your solder joints.

[00:20:32] Check your solder joints. It’s gotta be a solder joint. Well, I mean, that’s the first thing I do on, especially jazz masters, where the wires are coming out of the terminals and get bent. Like that’s always the first thing to go. I have, I’ve saved myself so many hundreds of dollars in replacement pickups or rewinds just by like touching the solder joint.

[00:20:52] So I’m really glad that’s

[00:20:53] Emily: what it was. Yeah. I’ve had friends like give me their guitars and like, I think the pickups are busted. I’m like, let me look. Oh, this wire stuck.

[00:21:02] Mike Adams: Yeah. Where they’re framed a little bit. It’s it’s it’s it’s sometimes just the simple things and I’m really happy.

[00:21:09] Emily: Easy stuff first.

[00:21:10] Yeah.

[00:21:10] Mike Adams: Always do the easy stuff. First. Swap a cable out. Maybe it’s your cable. Like there’s so many things in between the guitar and the amp that could go wrong. So, yeah. Am I supposed

[00:21:20] Andrew: to justify spending exorbitant amounts on nice new year? Oh, it’s

[00:21:23] Mike Adams: broken. I don’t know. $800.

[00:21:28] Emily: Yeah, I guess I’m getting a new guitar.

[00:21:32] Mike Adams: Throw it out. It doesn’t work. Oh, I broke a string. Carol Kay. Used to do that when she would break a string she’d just get like trade the instrument and in, and get a fresh set of flat rounds on a new P bass. Yeah. That’s a Carol Case story. It kind of, it kind of is. I mean, I love her too. I love her sound and her playing, but like I, that she, that story I cannot fathom.

[00:21:57] I cannot fathom that.

[00:22:00] Emily: She’s she’s a wild personality.

[00:22:02] Mike Adams: Yeah, absolutely. I love it.

[00:22:04] Andrew: Imagine doing that once I’ve bonded with an instrument.

[00:22:07] Mike Adams: I mean, she, it really seems like her take on instruments is that they are tools completely. Like she doesn’t seem to be sentimental about them at all. She’s

[00:22:15] Emily: not, hasn’t seem to be, doesn’t care about doing anything the right way.

[00:22:18] Like if someone would give her a gun for playing bass with a pic, she’d be like, Oh, you mean the one that I used on pet sounds

[00:22:26] Mike Adams: and it’s the best I want a hundred percent pick. I love that sounds so much. She didn’t

[00:22:30] Emily: buy, like she sells base picks on her website and I bought some there. Yeah.

[00:22:37] Mike Adams: Rules. Good for her way to do it.

[00:22:41] Another example and grind

[00:22:43] Emily: yesterday was international women’s day. So yeah.

[00:22:47] Mike Adams: Oh, the international one too.

[00:22:49] Emily: Wow. Yes. And for anyone asking or wondering international men’s day is in November. Yeah. Shut the hell. Yeah. We’ll talk to you in November.

[00:22:58] Mike Adams: He’s looking at a calendar,

[00:23:01] Emily: just Google it. Speaking of that.

[00:23:05] Hey Andrew, what’s he with you, buddy? Yeah, it was, I have to do

[00:23:07] Mike Adams: with

[00:23:07] Emily: Google. I’m just, I’m just, I, I wanted to find a transition and then I didn’t really want to work too hard for

[00:23:15] Andrew: it. That’s fair. So what’s new with me is golly. So Fox guy row. This has been a month of a lot of very boring businessy type stuff that I’m trying to get knocked out in the back.

[00:23:30] So that way I can have that whole foundation of like that stuff’s taken care of. Now I can focus on new designs and planning out like a calendar of releases and stuff like that for the rest of the year. And focusing on the marketing and the connecting with people, collaborations, all the fun things that I want to be able to do, but I probably should, you know, finish doing things like paying my taxes

[00:23:53] Emily: and pay taxes when government doesn’t pay us

[00:23:58] Andrew: paying taxes and making sure, yeah. Mostly it’s financial stuff. And as well as I like now I have a business license on my wall. Apparently I’m supposed to put it there. Ooh,

[00:24:08] Mike Adams: very adult of you, very adult of you. Well, it’s a

[00:24:11] Andrew: little adult, but I also use thumbtacks.

[00:24:13] So not quite as adult

[00:24:15] Mike Adams: and while they’re sticky, they’re prickly and they can hurt you. So that’s very adoptive kids. Aren’t allowed to use thumbtacks. Don’t let a kid near a Thumbtack adult. The same could be said about Lon, darts or darts of any kind. You’re

[00:24:30] Emily: not all ProLon darts and I’m, cause I’m not old enough for lawn darts.

[00:24:38] Andrew: I’m working on that. But in the meantime, as we’re, as I’m working through that, and Melissa has been so helpful with helping me Wade through all of the nonsense, as well as just motivating me slash also kind of just doing a lot of it herself because she’s, I’ve been putting off a lot of projects that I could just do in a day or two.

[00:24:55] So she’s been so, so helpful with all of this. And I really appreciate it. And we’ve also been looking over the ideas for the parts Castro build. And so going through a whole lot of Finnish ideas, trying to figure out like, Oh, this could be cool, but is, are we a little out of our depth and wanting to do like a Paisley or like a wallpaper finish then refund over the top of that and then intentionally Relic it on the forearm to show.

[00:25:19] Emily: I think that as long as you have like patients,

[00:25:22] Andrew: I think we’d have patients. Yeah.

[00:25:26] Mike Adams: Have you ever talked to Paul Frank? I don’t think

[00:25:29] Emily: so when we ever talk to Paul, Frank, no,

[00:25:32] Mike Adams: no. I mean, he’s super active in the guitar community. I’m not trying to name drop. I just can’t remember who he knows.

[00:25:42] Well, you know, the beard no, Paul Paul has a lot of experience in that I should introduce you to I’m sure that you would all get along. Yeah, I would appreciate that. Yeah. He’s got extensive experience, recovering things. I mean, he’s, he’s like designed with the custom shop wallpaper that he’s printed himself, so I’m sure he would have some advice for you.

[00:26:05] I’ll try and I’ll try and make that introduction today or tomorrow. I got you. Thank

[00:26:10] Andrew: you very much. I really appreciate.

[00:26:12] Mike Adams: Oh,

[00:26:13] Emily: well, if you found a wrapping paper that was like star Wars Paisley.

[00:26:18] Andrew: So we don’t want to do Paisley specifically a little job,

[00:26:22] Mike Adams: the, a hut instead of a Paisley roll. We

[00:26:26] Andrew: just call that Antigua bursts.

[00:26:27] Mike Adams: And

[00:26:32] Andrew: No, so we would look at stuff. So we’ll say kind of like the idea of of doing incorporation of wallpaper and, and showing it over the forearm. Especially with like a forum bezel on a Jazzmaster, it’d be very, I think it would be a lot easier to make that look natural and show enough of it to make it worth it.

[00:26:48] Without making it look like I just took an angle or not angle grinder like a belt sander to it. Ah

[00:26:54] Mike Adams: Thank you for your hard work.

[00:26:57] Emily: Put the sandpaper on your forum and just play it

[00:26:59] Mike Adams: for a while. I haven’t done that before. Yeah, it does. If you get the right grit, you don’t want to get, like, you want to get like 800 or a thousand.

[00:27:07] You want something that’s relatively smooth to where through like, yeah, it totally works. I felt stupid doing it, but yeah, it works. If it works, it works totally

[00:27:19] Emily: before or after you spray it with Polly.

[00:27:22] Mike Adams: Oh, I don’t. I have one. I don’t use Pauline. I use nitro whenever possible

[00:27:26] Andrew: and I

[00:27:30] Emily: hope you have a very well ventilated space.

[00:27:32] Mike Adams: Okay. We do have the great outdoors. It’s whenever I’m doing refinishing.

[00:27:39] Andrew: I’ve got a covered porch with a lot of ventilation out there. And so I can let that cure for as long as I need to, without worrying about getting

[00:27:47] Mike Adams: I’ve got lacquer, I’ve got the outdoors, I’ve got a fan and I’ve got a neighbor that I hate.

[00:27:52] So just kidding, just kidding.

[00:27:57] Andrew: We’ve looked at a lot of options in so like we’ve sat down and has gone through we are actually going through your Instagram last night, looking for ideas. I know. Yeah. So we’re going through that. We’re going through Spitfire towards Instagram because there’s so many phenomenal examples of like just great color combinations there.

[00:28:18] Which is also really bumming me out because I don’t know if I have budget for a Spitfire tour on this build. And I’m bipolar. I don’t know if I want to do a tort if it’s not a Spitfire anyways

[00:28:31] Mike Adams: Check out lava. Have you heard of lava in the UK? I think lava guards is an up and coming guard maker and there’s are also really good.

[00:28:41] Like interesting, good. And a little cheaper, I think, although I can’t do math, so don’t quote me on that.

[00:28:49] Emily: Don’t have, they don’t seem to have a website Instagram email, Paul. It says let’s do look nice.

[00:28:57] Andrew: Pretty good. We’ll have to give that a look. Hey, so we’ve sent a whole bunch of time looking at options.

[00:29:01] I’ve sketched out like 18 ideas of what I want to do for the wiring. And some of that’s dependent on whether or not I’m going to splurge for lipstick behind the bridge, because I’ve never really done behind the bridge flame, but I kind of want to learn it, do

[00:29:14] Mike Adams: it, or you can also, you could also use a gold foil that’ll surface Mount easily back there.

[00:29:21] If you don’t want to route. That’s a good option for that.

[00:29:24] Andrew: I’m going to have to do a custom rounded body anyways. So I think it’s less of an issue of getting the writing done and more of an issue of just knowing what I want and then committing to it before I order the body. That’s always the trick.

[00:29:38] It’s like, I want to be able to order the body, but I have to figure out we want it. We want to be sure that we don’t want to be seeing any wood grain before we decide on what wood to get. And we want to be sure of what our writing is going to be before we order a body. And that’s going to include like the control control cavity.

[00:29:55] Like I would like to incorporate in a car and our kids switch. And I don’t know at four, I don’t know if I would want it to arcade switch could be cool for a, doing a strangle circuit. It could be cool for just engaging the behind the bridge. Okay. Yeah, I could work. I think things in the series. I mean, there’s a number of things I could see, like in arcade switch, just being really cool for, that’s not just a.

[00:30:18] Kill switch that I’m going to wear out and Noemi Noemi. So we’re, we’re just talking through a whole bunch of ideas and honestly, it’s been really, it’s been really nice to be able to sit down and just kind of for, for me to share some of this and for her to say, well, cause she does painting and stuff for her day, job painting and wallpapering.

[00:30:36] And so wanting to kind of incorporate that together, it’s a really neat bonding experience so far. We haven’t even ordered any of the parts. Wow. So I’m really excited to continue to work through this project. And

[00:30:48] Mike Adams: I’m excited for you. That sounds rad.

[00:30:51] Andrew: Oh, and I think we want to do the old Rose with that.

[00:30:54] So and I guess

[00:30:56] Emily: this

[00:30:57] Andrew: leads into our sponsor. So Lambert tones, this, the shirt I’m

[00:31:02] Mike Adams: wearing. Yeah. I don’t have a

[00:31:05] Andrew: shirt. You should get a shirt. This is actually one of my most comfortable t-shirts I have Lamberton. So I’m going to be going with Lambert tones on this build. Curtis’s. So nice to work with you on this.

[00:31:18] I’m going to do an HSS. And so doing the, his grinder, which is this higher output PAF in the, in, in the in the bridge and then two triple shots for the neck in the middle to simulate in HSS. And cause I had a Strat a couple years ago and I ended up selling it and I, I miss it, but I miss having a strap, but I don’t miss having that strap.

[00:31:44] That makes sense. And then I don’t necessarily, like, I’ve never really bonded with the way that like a strap feels in my hands, but I’d love the way offsets field. And so why not just put a strap set and an offset body. So that’s kind of where we’re going with that. Very excited for this set of pickups.

[00:32:01] Cause I’ve played a scribble shots before I’ve played as grinders before I haven’t played the combination set together, but I mean, I love the way both of them sound and what could go wrong. So, yeah, no, that Curtis is great. He does phenomenal work and he’s super flexible. So if you’ve got a project in mind, reach out to Curtis Lambert towns is what you should do.

[00:32:24] Yeah. Oh yeah. In the old Rosewood neck, sorry, because I’m doing straps set of pickups. Offenders got an all Rosewood neck on there, on their website right now, but it’s got Stratocaster engraved. It’s not super prominent. How, how wrong would it be to put a neck that says Stratocaster on a jazz master body with strata Castro, pickups?

[00:32:44] How does resurface,

[00:32:46] Emily: why would it be weird?

[00:32:49] Andrew: I don’t know. I kind of like how, like,

[00:32:51] Emily: it’s like, it was a stretch setup. It’s like my, my offset Telecaster says Telecaster, even though it’s a Jazzmaster better,

[00:32:57] Andrew: it gets just cheeky and rebellious enough without being like, cause it’s just engraved. It’s not like a decal

[00:33:02] Mike Adams: or anything.

[00:33:03] I’d be, I’d be more upset about the shape of the headstock being wrong. Like the strata headstock nearly as much as the slightly superior Jazzmaster, but you can always resurface that or like inlay your own weird, like made up name if you want. Yeah, go crazy. You could water slide it. You could get in a, an engraving kit for a dremmel and do it by hand.

[00:33:28] I’d be kind of fun.

[00:33:31] Emily: You would want to practice on scrap wood, quite a knowledge

[00:33:34] Andrew: before digging into a very nice 

[00:33:37] Mike Adams: skill that you can develop yourself. And then you could add that to your repertoire.

[00:33:45] Andrew: It’s definitely something that cause well, most has done a bunch of wood-burning before and she’s pretty handy at it.

[00:33:50] I’m not saying always Woodburn. I’m not saying Woodburn out of Rosewood neck. Cause I’m not sure that would, I’m not sure if that would there be enough contrast there to work, maybe not. But along that same realm of she’s I’m going to brag for a second. Oh, he would just walk into like a Chablis, told that, Hey, we want a mural in this room of the house and she’ll just walk in and freehand it the whole, like the entire wall and just boom, that rules she’s ridiculously talented.

[00:34:19] And I’m sure she’s blushing because she’s in the other room right now. But it needs to be said, nice one, incorporate that

[00:34:27] Mike Adams: talent. I’m glad you said it. I’m glad someone finally said

[00:34:32] Andrew: a lot of people say it frequently and for good

[00:34:35] Mike Adams: reason. Okay.

[00:34:37] Andrew: Well anyways That was a lot of me talking

[00:34:43] Mike Adams: with touching moment as well.

[00:34:45] You know,

[00:34:46] Andrew: it happens at least once an episode.

[00:34:49] Emily: Yeah, that’s true. We all do it. But we have a topic today that we specifically wanted Mike’s input on and it is kind of the topic of guitar theft and that, that, that one came to us this week. We saw the sixth cycle home group. I think it was vintage guitar magazine.

[00:35:10] Is that right? Yeah. Had an enormous staffed of at least dozens of

[00:35:16] Mike Adams: guitars. Think it was 170 in total

[00:35:20] Emily: that’s over a gross of guitars.

[00:35:24] Mike Adams: I have never been clear on what a gross is. That’s fantastic. Thank you for clearing that up.

[00:35:30] Emily: Gross is, is doesn’t doesn’t, it’s 144. Oh,

[00:35:35] Andrew: I think I knew that somewhere in the back of my brain.

[00:35:38] But I don’t know if I could have recalled that if questioned. Absolutely.

[00:35:42] Emily: Well, once I actually bought a gross, a guitar picks. So you learn that.

[00:35:46] Mike Adams: I learned the hard way on that one

[00:35:48] Andrew: who saw his guitar picks by the gross. Wow.

[00:35:52] Emily: Oh, eBay. Belarus

[00:35:56] Andrew: is the answer. I mean, that’s fair, but it seems okay. Sorry. I’m just wrapping my brain around the

[00:36:01] Emily: idea that no, a lot of guitar picks want me to like, Hey, Oh, your discounts, unless

[00:36:06] Mike Adams: you’re a member, what

[00:36:07] Andrew: gross?

[00:36:08] Like what the gross number is from here on out. So I don’t care damn puzzled or let us straight in the future.

[00:36:14] Emily: It’s easy, whatever dude. So yeah, so a bunch of guitars got stolen out of a storage unit, but over the course of like two

[00:36:23] Mike Adams: months. Yeah. September to December, I believe if I’m remembering correctly.

[00:36:31] Yeah. That sounds about, right?

[00:36:34] Emily: Yeah. So do so from my understanding, then it’s like the guy was last there on in September and then he came back in December and guitars were gone.

[00:36:45] Mike Adams: That’s that’s what I understand to be true. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:36:48] Emily: So like guitars for lot of guitars. One lift, I suppose I got to imagine they made a couple trips.

[00:36:58] So do you think they made a couple of, had

[00:37:00] Mike Adams: to ha eh, there’s there’s enough time in there that you could theoretically leave and come back and leave and come back? I mean, especially to steal something like bringing an entire big rig with a trailer to do it all at once would be incredibly obvious, but yeah, it ha I would imagine it was multiple trips.

[00:37:22] That’s what I would assume. I don’t want to assume anything about this, but yeah, multiple trips would make sense logistically, unless there’s a caravan of thieves with their range rovers or what have you,

[00:37:34] Andrew: it would be less in conspicuous, a caravan of thieves, or just like one 18 Wheeler rolling up.

[00:37:43] Mike Adams: I feel like an 18 Wheeler.

[00:37:45] I feel like that would raise more questions. Like people go in and out of storage units all the time. And if they had the people who did this happen to have one there, it would, it would be more conspicuous. I feel like, yeah.

[00:37:56] Emily: Do you think it was an inside job? Like somebody else who had we shouldn’t. We should.

[00:38:00] I mean, I imagined in my brain that it was somebody else who had access to the storage unit facility.

[00:38:06] Mike Adams: Okay. Because he’s an ocean’s 11 or oceans. Eights is a scenario entirely. It’s like, all right, gang, here’s the plan. We’re going to go in. We’re going to use an EMP to shut down the electricity. And they’re like, Don Cheadle is working at a terminal.

[00:38:20] I, I, it could be, it could just be someone who figured it out. Someone like that’s a lot of guitars to keep secrets. And

[00:38:30] Emily: it’s, I don’t know how you sell that many guitars. Like, I feel like you have, there has to be. Like it’s, it’s a very long game to sell that many guitars that are so rare and old.

[00:38:43] Yeah, and can come so much money and we can’t, we’re not gonna name names, but we know that people did buy the guitar. So some of these guitars had been sold already and to P to a reputable place.

[00:38:57] Mike Adams: One, one outlet that I’m aware of that had. Had them only had two or three of them. So it seems like whoever did this was smart enough to spread it out a little bit.

[00:39:07] Like you don’t take 170 guitars to the local mom and pop shop and you’re like, I want to offload all this. So yeah. Spreading it out

[00:39:15] Emily: to a shop and they’re like, Ooh.

[00:39:17] Mike Adams: Yeah, I like that. And usually like having owned a guitar shop, usually at some point you go, so where’d this come from? What’s the story. And what’s the provenance of it.

[00:39:26] Exactly. Do you have documentation? And why

[00:39:29] Andrew: is there a crowbar and a Cirque sign, your trust?

[00:39:34] Mike Adams: You know the question

[00:39:35] Andrew: when soon I went to guitar

[00:39:36] Mike Adams: center, I do prefer you wear a mask, but you don’t need the ski mask. Can you at least remove that? Oh, sorry. I say, I didn’t know. I was still wearing this.

[00:39:46] Wow. Embarrassing. I was like, I’m so sorry.

[00:39:47] Andrew: I thought I ordered baklava head with a ball club. If I had just wear

[00:39:52] Mike Adams: it, man, you know, you know, like there’s, there’s so little information about this. I understand the jump to skepticism and the jump to, you know, this doesn’t make sense or it smells fishy, but there have been stories recently of people discovering that they have been robbed.

[00:40:09] From a storage unit through a hole in the wall of an adjacent unit, like someone would rent the storage unit right next to something that, where they knew something was being kept and do it that way. And I mean, like from the outside, you’d never know you’d drive by, you see your doors close, you go.

[00:40:24] It looks secure to me. So there’s, there’s any number of ways this could have happened. And I, I don’t, I I’m trying, like, I’m choosing empathy over like immediate, like there are a lot of people, like the smells like an insurance scam and that doesn’t hold up, especially now.

[00:40:41] Emily: Yeah. That doesn’t, that doesn’t, that wouldn’t make any sense really.

[00:40:44] Unless you were thinking you will get paid twice, but I mean, just,

[00:40:49] Andrew: you can afford that many guitars. What are the odds that you need to commit? High-level insurance

[00:40:54] Mike Adams: fried. That’s a good point. Like,

[00:40:59] Emily: I mean, for the thrill of it, these things like investments, then like something bad could sensibly happened.

[00:41:07] Maybe he was shorting game stock.

[00:41:10] Mike Adams: Oh, maybe he was one of the hedge fund managers that lost everything.

[00:41:15] Emily: Yeah. You know, I mean, things think, but things happen. People need things to go liquid, but like, why wouldn’t you just sell the guitars?

[00:41:24] Mike Adams: Look, it’s things have been really hard for me. Craig game stop owner of games.

[00:41:29] I need to raise cash for my family. Yeah.

[00:41:34] Emily: I don’t think it holds up because like, I don’t, I don’t know. But as far as like, these are hard guitars to sound like. So my tuna tone here, the prototype of the two tone was stolen several years ago and it was re recovered at a, at a pawn shop. And I think the person who stole it.

[00:41:51] It was like, Oh, a guitar. I can get a couple hundred bucks for a guitar. But of course, like though these instruments are handmade, not cheap, not cheap. They, the, the pawn shop owner was like 20 bucks. Give you 20 bucks for it. Like, yes, seriously, a tuna tone for $20. Kept it in there in their back room for three months.

[00:42:14] And like the day they put it out, someone was like, ah, Like that fast because it’s such a unique

[00:42:19] Mike Adams: guitar. Absolutely. That is exactly what’s happening with this collection. I recognized a few immediately because the bulk of these guitars were extraordinarily rare, custom color offsets, or at least the bulk that are pictured on the vintage guitar announcements.

[00:42:34] Many of which had gold hardware, which is even rare. Yeah, there are a few that I recognized immediately, and those are hard to sell. And the sad thing is that they had been sold already. So when, when you own a guitar shop, having owned a guitar shop, I can add a little experience to this conversation, but there’s a thing called police hope where you have to hold a piece of gear that you buy for at least 30 days.

[00:43:01] While it runs through the system to check against serial numbers and descriptions of things that have been reported stolen. And usually that catches things. I mean, that’s, it’s not a perfect system by any means, but it does catch things. And we have inadvertently like accidentally sold things that have been stolen that, you know, the system didn’t catch like that.

[00:43:23] It just happens. It sucks. And that conversation with the person who bought a thing. It always blows. And as a shop, like you have insurance but sometimes, you know, you just have to eat the sale. And, and I, you know, we always, we always felt that, like, that sucks, especially for us, but we’d rather, you know, do the right thing than worry so much about the four grand that we’re out now.

[00:43:47] And usually we got it back. Something like this sucks, especially bad because there’s this. Three-month period where this owner didn’t know that they’d been robbed. And so things could have, you know, very well been on police hold for 30 days and checked out because they weren’t reported stolen yet.

[00:44:05] And absolutely sucks. And like you’re right, Emily, these things are incredibly rare, recognizable guitars. There’s one in particular, a Jaguar that was pictured that I saw it. And I said, I know exactly who has this because it’s such a unicorn of a guitar that there’s no mistaking it. And yeah. Sadly that has already been sent back as well.

[00:44:29] I mean, no, not sadly. I mean, it’s good that the,

[00:44:32] Emily: for the owner,

[00:44:34] Mike Adams: so the person who bought it, I wrote them. I was like, Hey, I’m sorry for popping your DMS like this. But yeah. I, I recognized your guitar. I hate to be the guy to tell you this, or maybe you already know, but yeah. And yeah, it turns out they, they knew only a few short weeks after they had acquired it.

[00:44:50] It’s already been sent back to the owner. It’s all worked out, but sucks. Yeah.

[00:44:56] Emily: Yeah. I mean, and even if you don’t have the serial numbers, if you have photographs of these guitars, things like dings and scratches in them are as unique as fingerprints easily

[00:45:04] Mike Adams: identifiable.

[00:45:05] Emily: Yep. Yeah. That’d be the Katherine Edwards up in up in Canada.

[00:45:09] She had a vintage Les Paul junior stolen. Yeah. She brought as long as you cannot sell this guitar to anybody, you cannot play this guitar live. People will see this guitar and they will ask questions because it is rare because it is vintage because it, if you’re stealing guitar is like, Like it ended up, like, it never got stolen.

[00:45:31] Whoever got it. I guess, got spooked held onto it and then just kind of dumped them in a park one day. Yeah. Just put them in a plastic bag, put them on a park bench. He was like, Oh, I guess someone will find them. And someone did find them and recognize them and called Kathleen’s coffee shop. And she was driving there within 15 minutes of like the guitars being found.

[00:45:52] Like it’s hard to sell these kinds of guitars, but what I also know that happens and I’ve heard horror stories and this, especially in Texas, people will have guitars stolen and they’ll be driven straight across the border to be sold. Yeah. Like entire tour vans

[00:46:11] Mike Adams: of gear that sucks. Got it. Yeah. I would be heartbroken.

[00:46:15] I hope that never happens to me. And how heartbreaking, how heartbreaking to lose to lose anything. I mean, theft is never great, but you know, if the guitars or, you know, even, even if this person is a collector and just really has an affinity for the guitar, like they’re still important artifacts, there’s still a significance to them.

[00:46:36] You know, as music making machines is like things we bond with. Ah, like if I just, I can’t even, I can’t even bring myself to say what, what if something happened to pancake? Like, Oh yeah. That’s what happened to my

[00:46:48] Emily: teeny tuna.

[00:46:49] Mike Adams: Yeah. I can’t imagine that heartbreak. I’m so sorry that happened to you.

[00:46:55] Didn’t happen to me. Oh, it didn’t happen to you.

[00:46:57] Emily: No, it happened to Layla though. The builder, it was stolen to a friend who played guitar and that friend got robbed. That’s

[00:47:07] Mike Adams: even worse.

[00:47:11] Emily: She had, it was what she takes to like guitar shows. That’s what she sends the people who are interested, but don’t know if they can commit to a bit.

[00:47:18] Well, I’m so

[00:47:19] Mike Adams: sorry that happened. Oh my God. To have a thing that you worked so hard on stolen. Ooh. Oh, the fury that would arise within me.

[00:47:31] Emily: Oh, I know man. But no, she got it back. It’s back home. No worse for wear, but so like I know that this is Andrew  before we talked about before we hit record, rather, but like.

[00:47:49] What do you do if somebody steals your guitar, what do you do if your guitar

[00:47:52] Mike Adams: stolen? It’s always good to have photographs and to write down serial numbers and to keep pictures or descriptions of identifying marks. Such as things written in the cavity’s pictures of like the neck pocket, if it’s a vintage guitar that will help immensely pictures of the end of the neck for the date you know, pancake, I’m looking at pancake, it’s got that.

[00:48:15] Like I have a Jupiter on the arm where position it’s also got some cigarette burns that are pretty easily identifiable wear patterns. You know I, I may or may not have written my name in certain places as well. You know, just anything you can do to make it

[00:48:37] Emily: in the routing. I’ve heard about people doing that in the wrong.

[00:48:39] Mike Adams: Anything you can do, make it clear that it’s your instrument will help. There’s also a system that’s like a low Jack for a guitar where it’s like a microchip that sends out an RFID signal and you can scan it and have your info. It’s like when, when you put a chip in a beloved pet, like same thing same thing.

[00:49:00] So there, and there are many ways to hide that on a jazz master, which is great, but you know, there and it also will also say in the event, this happens. And you can’t get your thing back, like get renters or home insurance, like make sure that your stuff is covered. Send all that info to the insurance company, get them all appraised.

[00:49:18] Emily: If you play out, you need specify. If you play out special. Absolutely. Absolutely artifacts policy for my guitars. And that seems that they they’ve told me that is, that is that I’m covered even when I play out. Okay.

[00:49:30] Mike Adams: Oh see. That’s great. That’s incredible.

[00:49:34] Emily: Yeah. Pancake is literally a guitar. You like someone stole that it cannot sell that, but

[00:49:40] Mike Adams: this, the guitars are weird enough that I think they would be immediately identifiable like three POS.

[00:49:46] I don’t think could go anywhere without being recognized pancake.

[00:49:50] Andrew: Maybe they didn’t recognize them because of the right arm.

[00:49:53] Mike Adams: Yeah. That’s a star Wars joke. This guy over here gets it. Ah, he’s a real true fan. Yeah, so yeah, you know, half, but in the event you don’t have things that are intensely recognizable then.

[00:50:09] Yeah. Do anything you can to make it clear that it is your instrument. Yeah. And, and sometimes even that isn’t enough, honestly sucks. Absolutely sucks. So what

[00:50:20] Andrew: happens if let’s say you buy an instrument and find out that it was stolen and so of course you do the right thing. You return it, but what about the money that you’re out of pocket?

[00:50:30] Like what with insurance, what is the process of getting that money back?

[00:50:35] Mike Adams: Sometimes you’ll get it back other times. There’s just no hope like you got to give the money back to the person who bought it. You got to give the thing back to the person it belongs to. Like sometimes there’s is no hope for that.

[00:50:47] Or, you know, I’ve, I’ve heard of examples of people like. Buying a guitar in a parking lot. I paid 150 for this. And it’s like, yes, of course here’s your 150 bucks. Like you’re not out of anything. Yeah. Maybe I’ll double that because you let me know. Yep. Yeah. So there’s, there’s all kinds of ways it can go.

[00:51:03] Sometimes it just doesn’t work out for anybody. Really. So, yeah.

[00:51:09] Andrew: So a buddy of mine was out in LA and working at the Pasadena location at guitar center. He bought a, he was a college roommate and he also worked with me at the same location. And he had disappeared for an evening. I came back with with a mandolin.

[00:51:24] I can’t remember. I want to say, nah, I don’t remember what, what brand it was, but it was like a nice man. And he’s like, Oh, I got it for like 350 bucks and it should have been like a thousand dollar mandolin. And then like the next day he called me, he’s like, Hey. I don’t feel good about this purchase because I don’t think the guy knew what he had and I’m beginning to wonder am.

[00:51:44] Okay. Well, when we worked at guitars or we get emails from all the local areas of like what deer had been stolen, things, you know, the here’s what to look out for. And so he went to go look into, it. Turns out, had been stolen from the Sherman Oaks guitar center, like the week before. And he’s, he’s a guitar center.

[00:52:01] Employee guitar center was kind enough to pay him his $350 back for it. I’m assuming there was insurance money that went with that probably to recover it. That was a happy story. Like he is fresh college graduate and Like it would have really sucked to have been out 350 bucks. So there’s a happy story, but that’s not, I don’t think that’s the story every time.

[00:52:25] And it just, I can’t imagine, like, especially with some of the more expensive vintage instruments, like the, the, the gold sparkle Jack, I can’t imagine like, you know, five, six grand, or however much someone paid for it and not being able to get

[00:52:36] Mike Adams: that probably an immense amount of money given its Providence, given the rarity of original fender fender sparkles you know, being a Jaguar with bound block and lays and what an incredible instrument.

[00:52:51] I feel so bad for the person who bought that. Oh. But that person, I, I’m not gonna reveal who it was, but they, they got plenty of guitars. They’re going to be fine. They’re going to be farming.

[00:53:03] Emily: This wasn’t like this wasn’t like their first. Like white

[00:53:07] Mike Adams: whale. Yeah. It wasn’t, it wasn’t there. Dear vintage guitar forum.

[00:53:11] It finally happened to me. I can’t believe it. Now this person’s got some her Remo articles. It’s going to be fine. I’m sure. Yeah. But maybe not everyone.

[00:53:22] Andrew: Who’s going to buy an instrument secondhand, like that is going to be in the same boat.

[00:53:26] Mike Adams: Oh

[00:53:26] Emily: yeah. Like searching for that guitar your whole life. Oh, how devastating?

[00:53:32] Mike Adams: Yep. Yeah, there’s, there’s only, I’m sure I’ve mentioned it before, but there’s only one guitar that I would sell everything to get. And if I had the chance to buy it for a good price and then I found out it was stolen, like that’s it. I’m done no more guitars for me. What’s the guitar. No comment, no comment.

[00:53:50] I’ll I’ll take that question off the air.

[00:53:54] Emily: Ooh. And that was your bra.

[00:53:57] Mike Adams: Cause I really want it to happen someday. And I’m scared if I put it out there too much, then it’s never going to happen. And then if it does, I would think when you

[00:54:05] Emily: put it out there, I bet if you put it out there because someone is going to be like, you’re going to get tagged every time, this guitar.

[00:54:11] Mike Adams: Well, I got to think about it because this guitar, there are only three pictures of it on the internet and nobody knows who has it. You know, I, I w I’m hoping for like an American pickers sort of thing where I just stumbled upon it in the middle of America. But I’ll, I’ll show you later. I’ll show you later.

[00:54:28] I’ll show you. Okay. Okay. So it’s not a

[00:54:30] Emily: cloud. It’s not a Prince cloud guitar.

[00:54:33] Mike Adams: No, no, no, no, no, no, not something that’s terribly known outside of a certain circles. But we’ll see, we’ll see fingers crossed friends,

[00:54:44] Emily: fingers crossed. So another thing that I saw people comments on a lot about this this particular theft was People being mad that there were so many guitars that were apparently not noticed missing for for three months.

[00:54:59] And on one hand, I get the frustration around that. I think I, I don’t know. I think I’m kind of mostly in the camp of like, that’s a lot of guitars to just have yeah. People call it that people, there are people who collect everything and they call it. And I have to imagine that collectors just really love the things that they collect by

[00:55:24] Mike Adams: and large.

[00:55:24] I think that’s like every collector that I know, like, I don’t know any collectors who are cartoonish, villains twisting their mustache. And in, in the hopes of keeping instruments nobody’s ever gonna play this again, I collect

[00:55:40] Emily: bobbleheads, but I also hate bobble. Well, you imagine, I can’t imagine they give me nightmares, but I can’t stop collecting them.

[00:55:49] Mike Adams: Most of the collectors that I know and have worked with and have met are people who just have an affinity for the instrument and what it means. And, and a lot of them by and large are people who want to preserve them. Like it’s, it’s never about keeping them out of the hands of players. It’s like, I can think of one person that I know.

[00:56:08] Really well and have sold many things too. And his whole thing is like, I have this money. Like I have been blessed to be able to purchase these things and keep them so that they can live on, they’re not going to be abused or broken or lost. And so, you know, not every collector is that kindhearted. Some, some may indeed be hoarders.

[00:56:28] Some may indeed be just looking for a straight profit. There are all kinds out there. Some are, you know, actual players who have, are touring the world. In the case of the person I was talking about earlier, or like, you know, say what you will about Joe Bonamassa. I certainly have opinions myself. I’ve been to his house.

[00:56:48] And one thing is clear from the time I spent at his place is that he really does care about preserving them. And he’s Dan, he like is the rare example of like someone who actually plays most of them out. So, you know, there are all kinds involved. It reminds me of

[00:57:04] Emily: art collecting a lot of ways. Like you can’t put every Rothko in a museum, you can’t put, you can’t put every piece by famous artists in museums, like there, there have to be private owners of these things.

[00:57:20] And at least, hopefully at least they are enjoying them, you know, in their homes or it makes them happy. It is I think a little, but you also hear about art collectors and kind of the. Getting snippety about like keeping a painting in a temperature controlled vault and never looking

[00:57:38] Mike Adams: at it. If I had a temperature controlled volt for things that I had, like, I probably would probably want that.

[00:57:45] I mean, he humidity on guitars. But like, You know, and so I saw, I understand the frustration of like somebody having too many things or like, you know you know, eat the rich, I’m all about it, but this is not a person who’s like voting against a minimum wage increase. You know, like it’s, it’s, this is not that person.

[00:58:06] And I don’t know this person, I don’t know this particular correct collector. I know their guitars, but I don’t know them. So I can’t speak as to the quality of their character or their intentions. But like, again, I’ll say I’m choosing empathy. Like that sucks. If this person has 170 guitars in a storage unit, chances are, they’ve got more somewhere else.

[00:58:25] Chances are, they’ve got more at home. Like the, and their intention is probably in the right place. Like norm from Norm’s rare guitars, he’s got facilities that he won’t disclose their location to prevent this from happening, but you always see the, the norms video. We just took 50 guitars out of storage and.

[00:58:44] I dunno, like, yeah, his, his goal is probably commerce, but I also have met and spoken with norm and he loves guitars. Absolutely loves them. That has been stealing them away since the 1960s or seventies has been trying to like keep them so that they could, you know, these rare custom colors could come out fresh again someday.

[00:59:03] And yeah, he’s going to make what, what is the, what’s the term buttload of money. He’s definitely going to make that, but you know, They’re going to work with his

[00:59:13] Andrew: wages as well though. So, I mean, that’s not like she’s like just flipping them for fun. Like there’s a passion to it. There’s a whole lot of hard work.

[00:59:24] It literally just the rent on the facility to store all of them safely. I mean, yeah.

[00:59:30] Mike Adams: Let’s also be completely honest. Like I also understand the argument about like, they should be their music making machines. They should be in the hand of the players. I partly feel the same way. Like I get it, but it also rings kind of false to me the same way that the, you know, you should give that guitar to a child argument often does because like you can make up.

[00:59:52] Like an nebulous child or a completely nondescript player in your mind, but who, who is actually going to tour with an incredibly rare 66 gold sparkle, Jaguar who is going to be the person to start wearing that finished down or to cause a rift read on that? Like some of these guitars. I hate to say it are really, are they do belong in a museum or they do belong in some place where they can be kept because there are so few original fenders sparkles.

[01:00:24] There are so few of that particular guitar like songbirds would be a good place for that to live. And sadly, songbirds museum does not exist anymore, but I, Hmm, I get it. I get it. I get it. I think, as a guitar tech, as someone who loves a guitar, like I do also see the value in preserving these things for future generations, because I like, like, I, I’m not the world’s greatest guitar player and I have some rare stuff, but I’m also, I’m also using them and I’m not exactly nice to pancake.

[01:00:54] I have thrown my 63 Jaguar. I have thrown pancake. Like they are things that I use. And I’m good with that because there’s permission. There’s permission on these guitars. Like pancake was already beat up when I bought it. My Jaguar is a refrain. I can, I can do that. Because I have permission, a rare gold sparkle, 66, a a, an ocean turquoise Jazzmaster with gold hardware.

[01:01:16] No, those, those are things that we just won’t see ever again. Or if we do see them, there’ll be custom shop and then you can beat those up, go crazy. But like some of these things, ah, it, it breaks my heart. You want to make music with them? Sometimes they do go to sessions. Sometimes they do get used in the studio, but yeah, I think those things need to be preserved.

[01:01:37] That’s just me. I’m okay to be disagreed with or be wrong about that. But I would, I feel strongly about preservation as well. So flame me in the comments, I guess. Well,

[01:01:51] Andrew: I agree. And I’m going to, I’m going to piggyback there a little bit, if you don’t mind, is buddy

[01:02:00] Emily: so

[01:02:00] Mike Adams: offering? Yeah, super weird. I regret saying that. Can we click that out too?

[01:02:05] Emily: No

[01:02:08] Andrew: Mike, no regrets.

[01:02:10] Mike Adams: I do miss piggyback rides. I miss that. The pandemics being widened,

[01:02:16] Andrew: I miss being light enough to, to be the recipient of a piggyback ride.

[01:02:21] Mike Adams: That’s why I do squats, buddy. Yep. So when this is all over, I’m ready.

[01:02:27] I’m ready to piggyback. There you go.

[01:02:31] Andrew: No. So, so to piggyback here, I think the museum like the, the whole belongs in museum, it just imagined like devil logs in the museum, like

[01:02:41] Emily: the reference.

[01:02:43] Mike Adams: So thinking about Indiana Jones stealing artifacts from indigenous populations, there’s a lot to unpack with that.

[01:02:52] I would love to see if they’re going to make an Indiana Jones movie. Another one, I would love to see it be a court drama. I would love to see him taken to court for the things he’s removed from their countries. And that would be exciting. Just an old ass Harrison Ford. Grumpily in the box.  about preservation or like, yeah, I would love that.

[01:03:16] Oh my God, please. The people versus Indiana Jones,

[01:03:22] Emily: somebody runs free the whole ass country versus India versus Indiana Jones.

[01:03:33] You stole priceless artifacts from one of our indigenous communities.

[01:03:38] Mike Adams: And your second, where is the Ark of the covenant art? I don’t know. It’s just somewhere in a box. It’s just, I don’t work on the Harrison.

[01:03:48] Emily: That one did not belong in a music. Definitely does that one belong under lock

[01:03:53] Mike Adams: and key. We can all agree that the gold milk face box does not belong in public.

[01:03:59] Andrew: Right? We’re not talking about indigenous artifacts. There’s no colonialism to be had here. That needs

[01:04:05] Mike Adams: to be

[01:04:07] Emily: holed up for what it is.

[01:04:10] Mike Adams: Hold on a second there. Partner

[01:04:13] Emily: realism and music. Just look up a wind boy.

[01:04:17] Mike Adams: Oh my God.

[01:04:19] Emily: Yeah, the guy that wrote that song died penniless because, and then, you know, Well, not that Pete Seeger died a super-duper wealthy man, but I think that was more of his choice, but probably should have gotten paid for it.

[01:04:34] Andrew: Sure. But when we’re talking about vintage guitars that were

[01:04:37] Emily: made in colonialism

[01:04:42] a quick sidebar, there’s a documentary on Hulu right now called who let the dogs out. And it is honest hand to God. One of the most interesting things I’ve ever watched in my life. Oh my God. Like the whole time my husband and I were looking at like, how much deeper does this go? Oh my God,

[01:05:00] Mike Adams: that sounds like a  kind of feel when you say what’d you say it’s on which street Hulu

[01:05:07] Emily: came out of 2019.

[01:05:09] Yeah, it is an adventure.

[01:05:14] Mike Adams: I

[01:05:15] Andrew: have managed to derail this conversation so

[01:05:16] Mike Adams: far. I love it. Derail my train of thought, bro.

[01:05:22] Andrew: Vintage guitar. So vintage fenders that were made in Santa Ana are full gender. Yeah. Better. There’s no colonialism happening here. So we have to work. We don’t have to worry about the, the clear Indiana Jones, like kind of issue that we’ve got there.

[01:05:36] I think it’s completely fair to say this belongs in a museum because part of the guitar is the music. Yes. But also in the gear side of things, I think it’s complete. I think it’s entirely valid for us to recognize that there is a sense of historical significance over grounds. There’s a significance to the Lord.

[01:05:54] There’s a significant, like the stories in the gear itself are also very important along with the stories of the music that the gear makes. Yeah. And I think, especially the way that we treat like even new gear and how much we like hype up the lore and the, Oh, the King of tone. Or like some, like you, you go to check back, you’re like, Oh, like a kilt view.

[01:06:13] One’s like going for $500. Just like the way that we treat the gear and the gear community let’s even recent. So then flip it and say, Oh, well you should be playing. You shouldn’t put that in a museum. Like, come on guys. I feel like there’s a bit of a double standard happening there in the, with the way that that’s kind of thrown out there as some, this guitar was built to be played.

[01:06:37] And I also think it’s consistent with some of Fender’s custom shop work with some of the builds that they’ve done. They’re clearly just not meant to be playing.

[01:06:45] Mike Adams: Yeah. Some, some guitars are like made to be art pieces or, you know, examples. It’s workmanship that’s okay. It’s like those

[01:06:52] Emily: $10,000 Gibsons.

[01:06:54] Yeah. Only their alley. They expect people to play though.

[01:06:59] Mike Adams: Sometimes. No, absolutely not. The

[01:07:02] Andrew: Faberge eggs Strat.

[01:07:05] Mike Adams: Yeah, you don’t please don’t play that. Please don’t buy that or display it or do anything with it. That’s impressive feat, but I’ve seen it in person. It’s not my thing. Let’s just call it that.

[01:07:19] But you know, the other thing to think about here is that we are, we are largely discussing luxury items as well. And that’s, that’s something to think about too, because most, I would say that most guitars qualify as luxury items at this point because of list prices. I mean, you know,

[01:07:38] Emily: at what point does a guitar become a luxury item?

[01:07:42] Mike Adams: I think, I think most are, I think

[01:07:44] Emily: we’re over 500 bucks as a luxury item. I

[01:07:47] Mike Adams: don’t know if I, if I’m smart enough to put an exact price on it, but like, I don’t, I could make just as much music as I’m making now on a Squire. I don’t need pancake. Like I have grown so accustomed to that guitar. It does everything I needed to, I have arguments for owning it, but it’s, it’s, you know, you know, like, do you need a $3,000 guitar to make the next hit record?

[01:08:13] Of course not. So like we’re, we’re making choices and, and th there’s nothing wrong with that. There’s no moral component. Like, you don’t have to own a vintage guitar. If you want one, you are free to do so. That’s okay. But yeah, especially the guitars in that collection, like we are talking a hundred percent luxury items and like, I don’t know.

[01:08:33] There’s there’s that component to think about as well. I don’t know why I brought that up without having a point.

[01:08:38] Emily: Yeah. I also think that per your point, like there are all those people who are like, give it to the, give it to a kid. People like one, these are not like as hard as you would give to a kid to shut up as hard

[01:08:50] Andrew: as you would give to a kid.

[01:08:51] There’s

[01:08:52] Emily: no shortages. I mean, if you want to give a guitar to a kid, this is the guitar you give to a kid. Oh

[01:08:59] Mike Adams: yeah. I was just thinking of Luke.

[01:09:01] Emily: Yeah. These are the guitars you give to a kid. This is not the guitar you give to a kid. That’s not the guitar you give to a kid. That’s not a good heart. You give to a kid, this is a guitar you give to a child.

[01:09:14] Yeah. Okay. And like, Aye. Aye, that bugs me. But the third one is there’s plenty of guitars in the world,

[01:09:23] Mike Adams: too many that we have so many guitars. Yeah.

[01:09:27] Emily: Honestly. And I’m the worst. I’m bad about it. I am part of the problem. Like, I’ll admit that before anybody else does, like, I do demos to convince people to buy guitars.

[01:09:37] If they want to. I have a bunch of guitars, like. Varying levels of quality. I think that if you really concerned about environmentalism and that kind of impact of it, like you buy one guitar and you have one guitar and that’s like the most environmental way you can do it, but that would make guitars so fricking expensive.

[01:09:56] Mike Adams: And also the fact that our, our individual environmentalist mindset is not going to stop any company from making more guitars. That’s, that’s something that somebody was like yelling at me in my DMS when Phoebe Bridgers broke the the baritone. And they were saying that it’s, it’s morally good to not break guitars because when you break a guitar, well, then they have to make one to replace that.

[01:10:19] And that’s not. So we’re going to do that anyway. They’re going to make more guitars, no matter what, that’s what companies do like me deciding not to buy a guitar. Doesn’t mean there’s going to be one less on the shelf. Yeah. There’s

[01:10:29] Andrew: not enough guitars being broken to make a dent in

[01:10:33] Mike Adams: a manufacturing. Pete Townsend did enough, right?

[01:10:40] Emily: Because he kept gluing the ones he broke

[01:10:43] Mike Adams: the same with Kurt Cobain. Yeah.

[01:10:49] Emily: For environmentalist. I’m like the consumer grade level of that. Not nearly as important as the corporate level. Like we really push like individual responsibility in terms of recycling. I think that’s grand, but it’s kind of a, a drop in the bucket compared to big time polluters. Like don’t, don’t complain about like the environmental ism of breaking a cheap guitar, like a Dan electro guitar.

[01:11:16] And then like by a Firefly guitar or by some other disposable stuff, when you could be using like re you buy is buying Ziploc bags instead of like. Tupperware

[01:11:28] Mike Adams: containers, or let’s

[01:11:30] Andrew: be honest. If I had to take a Gander, the carbon footprint of the average us households, Amazon purchases in a month probably exceeds the carbon footprint and breaking one day in electric guitar.

[01:11:41] Mike Adams: I wondered about that. I’ve wondered about shipping, especially, I feel like shipping has such a huge carbon footprint compared to what it takes to make one guitar. But I have, I am speaking out of turn. I don’t have the data, but I want to know what the breakdown

[01:11:56] Emily: is. I mean, shoot, there’s a huge environmental implication of like a lot of the, not all of them before somebody says not all cryptocurrency.

[01:12:05] Mike Adams: Oh yeah. It’s a man. Absolutely.

[01:12:08] Andrew: Yeah. The amount of electricity to that takes is, but depending on what state you live in, like crypto mining is just, you lose money with how much electricity, like what your electric bill is going

[01:12:21] Emily: to be. Yeah. I know that they’re they’re like eat Ethereum 2.0 is supposedly like.

[01:12:26] Is better, but I just, I know that that’s, that’s kinda, that is kind of a part of that, that we don’t really talk about ever, because no one really thinks about the environmental implications.

[01:12:39] Mike Adams: Well, thank you BG.

[01:12:41] Emily: Remember what happened last time you brought up bill Gates on this podcast.

[01:12:45] Mike Adams: What happened last time you brought up bill Gates on this podcast?

[01:12:48] Emily: Oh, nothing just we’ll talk. We’ll see you later.

[01:12:50] Mike Adams: Bill Gates. Reach out. Hey. Hey.

[01:12:58] Emily: That’s not at all. What bill Gates sounds like. Can you do it?

[01:13:02] Mike Adams: You’re fired. We’ve had enough of you in this town.

[01:13:07] Emily: It was a voice actor to do a bill

[01:13:08] Mike Adams: Gates voice. I think I did. I think I just did. Hey, get my name out of your mouth. I don’t, I actually don’t even remember what bill Gates sounds like.

[01:13:20] Emily: Yeah. I like the old joke.

[01:13:22] I don’t have pronouns. Don’t talk about

[01:13:24] Mike Adams: me. The don’t fuck about me. Do not refer to me at all.

[01:13:32] I’m really got you really liked that one,

[01:13:34] Emily: Emily. Well, I thought broke you. First thing, like out of the gate, why were you even laughing that hard? It was Smurfs

[01:13:43] Mike Adams: as if they were scars that’s Oh my

[01:13:46] Emily: God. But it’s also like, as if they were loaves, I think that is just like the phonetic way. Just pluralize

[01:13:51] Mike Adams: it in a way that I cannot explain or understand.

[01:13:54] Just I’m even having to cough back a little bit of a laugh right now, because it is still

[01:14:01] Emily: very good. Big muffs was big mugs,

[01:14:05] Mike Adams: big moves, right? Yeah.

[01:14:08] Emily: Your collection of mugs is incredible.

[01:14:12] Mike Adams: I like that better.

[01:14:14] Emily: Your collection of

[01:14:15] Mike Adams: mugs muffs is such an ugly word. Like those two apps, really just like, it feels like it falls out of your mouth every time you say it.

[01:14:26] Andrew: So back to luxury guitars for a moment, like as hard as being luxury items. I would go, I’m going to say something that, you know, well, I think it’s off. I know it’s okay for people to have nice things. It’s okay for okay. For people to have a lot of nice things controversial. It is not okay for people to have a lot of nice things if they are underpaying their employees.

[01:14:51] Yeah. Yes. And I think that’s where we get, I think that’s where we get hung up. So if we want to talk about like people having nice things like, Oh, eat the rich, like, you know, if they, if they earn their money, that’s fine. It’s okay. For general generational wealth to exist. But with the guitar community, I think there’s a level of nuance that, that in this conversation that I think a lot of people were glossing over is we don’t know what this person does for living for these characters.

[01:15:14] And it maybe to a degree, the way that capitalism is running these days, it maybe there’s a safe assumption there. That there there’s some sort of exploitation that happened in order for them to be able to afford 178 vintage guitars. But there’s no guarantee there

[01:15:33] Emily: don’t know over what period of time, like you said, like 160

[01:15:37] Mike Adams: guitars,

[01:15:40] Emily: 170.

[01:15:41] So like, let’s say this person has been collecting for

[01:15:45] Get Offset Episode 125 A Gross of Guitars with Mike Adams: 50

[01:15:45] Mike Adams: years

[01:15:48] Emily: or they’re collecting over 50 years is 3.4 guitars a year. I think most people buy more than three hats a year.

[01:15:56] Mike Adams: It could be a doctor. Oh, the amount I spent on Jean jackets a couple of years ago.

[01:16:04] Andrew: So my point is, is it just kind of breaking that down a little bit further about what it means to own a luxury item? I think. I just, I, I think it’s

[01:16:13] Mike Adams: okay. Yeah, there’s the wrong with it. If you like a guitar, go for it. That’s great. Finding the right instrument for you is such an important process and something that I fully support, no matter what that ends up being like I have.

[01:16:30] And then I have my own personal limit of what I want to spend on a guitar like to this. The reason that I did not make my Trinny Lopez dream come true is because I could not fucking get past the entry price on, on that. Like I got that Gibson one for a good price, the custom shop. And if not for the neck, I would have kept it.

[01:16:50] But like the idea of spending over six grand on a guitar, I just couldn’t do it. Maybe I’m a giant baby, but I just couldn’t do it.

[01:17:00] Emily: Yeah, I would struggle. I would say,

[01:17:03] Mike Adams: I don’t think I’ve spent more than three K on a guitar and that was my seventies, three 55 that I love and miss. And I just don’t know.

[01:17:14] I just don’t know if I’d ever crossed that line.

[01:17:16] Emily: I have guitars that are like worth 3000, but most of them I have, like I did trades for, or got, or they like increased in value.

[01:17:26] Mike Adams: Totally, totally, totally. I don’t think, I mean, I have some expensive stuff like pancake. I, if I would sell that, I mean, sky’s the limit.

[01:17:36] You would have to make that very worth my while for me to ever consider selling it, which I don’t think I would. But I paid 2250 for that in Portland in 2012. So like nice, no sales tax. Yeah, well, I mean, I bought it from a guy, bought it from a dude, a blood from a guy, bought it from a guy who you know, maybe a sweet deal on it.

[01:17:58] But yeah, man, I just don’t know. And if you want to spend over three K on a guitar, I’m not telling you not to. I’m just saying like, I don’t know if I could do that.

[01:18:09] Andrew: Yeah. I don’t know if I could do it too. And I’m sure it Gibson’s executives are like, ha

[01:18:13] Mike Adams: but that’s what I’m saving it for. I’m saving it for that secret guitar.

[01:18:18] That’s the one that I will, I’ll have to raise so much money if it ever comes up. So yeah. And then I will break my role, but it’ll be in service of a dream and that’s okay to me.

[01:18:31] Emily: Yeah. I think, I think that might be a good place to kind of wrap it up, but just like, remember that collectors exist and there is nothing in and of itself, this morally reprehensible for being a collector.

[01:18:43] Like it depends on how you got there and I’m, I think it would be I, I th I don’t think it would be helpful for us to make any assumptions about how this person got their guitars, how they got their money, why they didn’t notice. I think it would be irresponsible in fact, to make assumptions about this.

[01:19:00] But that’s just kinda how I feel about like a lot of gossip in general, but yeah,

[01:19:05] Mike Adams: I

[01:19:06] Get Offset Episode 125 A Gross of Guitars with Mike Adams: dunno.

[01:19:06] Andrew: I think all, I think all guitar collectors, enslaved Smurfs, to be

[01:19:10] Mike Adams: able to afford them Smurfs, I’m loving, I’m loving that it’s collector’s awareness month. This feel really enlightened. But if I find out, if I find out that this collector ends up being Jeff Bezos, that’s it I’m out change.

[01:19:28] Emily: Paul Allen. I could have imagined actually.

[01:19:30] Mike Adams: Yeah, actually I thought about him a little bit too, because I know someone who works for him and takes care of his collection. Will work for him. I wasn’t aware of the status of his liveliness. So thank you for letting me know. Yeah.

[01:19:47] Emily: Well, I guess you don’t live in Seattle anymore.

[01:19:49] I

[01:19:49] Mike Adams: don’t. It’s great. I don’t have to know anything about Paul Allen anymore. Oh, weight off my shoulders.

[01:19:58] Emily: Yes.

[01:20:03] Andrew: Pretty blue. The day that that was announced. Yeah.

[01:20:07] Mike Adams: Yeah. I’m very sorry to hear that.

[01:20:10] Andrew: It was a fall 2019, I think.

[01:20:13] Mike Adams: Yeah. Wow. Wow. Yeah, didn’t hear anything about that.

[01:20:19] Emily: Well, there was a lot happening.

[01:20:22] Mike Adams: Well,

[01:20:22] Andrew: time has been a figment of our

[01:20:24] Mike Adams: imaginations of the sport. What has

[01:20:25] Emily: happened since then, I think is kind of more what it is.

[01:20:27] Like sometimes I’ll be like, Oh, that happened in 2019. God. Like I forgot that I happened.

[01:20:33] Andrew: It was like a decade ago. Maybe it was last decade, but

[01:20:38] Emily: Hey Mike, so if people want to find you, do you have anything to promote any place

[01:20:42] Mike Adams: to be found? Find me on YouTube. It’s my Instagram handle as well. PUI, S H E N a dumb dumb handle that still follows me around to this day.

[01:20:53] And I haven’t changed it yet. Maybe I will someday, but it’s pronounced pushy and it’s the automatic poetic sound of a cartoon sword being unshaved. But you can find me just by searching that or my name Mike Adams. You can find me on YouTube, Instagram, Patrion, all of that good stuff.

[01:21:12] Emily: Where are your Patrion supporters from our patrons and give it to you.

[01:21:16] Mike Adams: Blows my mind. Thank you so much. I can’t believe it. If

[01:21:20] Emily: you want to support us supporting Mike, you can support us on patriotic patrion.com/get offset. You can buy stuff@getelsapodcast.com slash shop. Somebody bought a shirt. I’m going to look that up right now, that person the, the for fuzz sake. So somebody’s me fill up.

[01:21:45] Thank you for buying that shirt. Fill up, fill the from Connecticut,

[01:21:51] Mike Adams: Connecticut. Hell yeah. Connect. It makes

[01:21:53] Andrew: me so happy every time I, I hear the the lovely news that one of my designs has been purchased. Yes, it’s

[01:22:00] Emily: lovely. John. Oh, from Michigan bought one. On January 7th and those are the most recent sales

[01:22:10] Mike Adams: of that year.

[01:22:12] Andrew: Oh. And I have an envelope. That’s going out tomorrow with that. I got one. I got one taker and there’s, there’s a lot here. So by all means I’m, I’m sending out stickers.

[01:22:26] Emily: Yeah. Hit him up on his personal Instagram link in our Instagram bio. Also, please rate review on iTunes. Please leave a nice review on iTunes.

[01:22:36] Please subscribe to the YouTube, please like, and comment. So you tubes, I don’t know. Tell people about this. Tell, tell your band mates about this. Tell your, tell your friends about this. Tell your children, tell your children’s

[01:22:50] Mike Adams: children, tell your children the tale of get offset.

[01:22:56] Emily: Tell your promise fans that your whole set of fans.

[01:23:01] Well, I that’s all I got. Anybody else got anything else? Before we let people go. This is going to be a very long lunch break for me.

[01:23:09] Andrew: Thank you for watching. Thank

[01:23:11] Mike Adams: you. Thanks for

[01:23:11] Emily: understanding. Thanks for listening. Next time, Andrew also listening. My name is Emily that’s Mike Adams,

[01:23:22] Emily: until next time.

[01:23:23] Goodbye.