Get Offset Episode 139: Who Am I To Say

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[00:00:00] Andrew: There we go.

[00:00:13] welcome to the get offset podcast. My name is Andrew

[00:00:17] Emily: and my name is Emily.

[00:00:20] Andrew: And, uh, yeah, this is, uh, this is a podcast. This is a video podcast,

[00:00:27] Emily: the test. There’s an audio version. It’s like quality television and radio show in your preferred format. Do you like to listen to my nasally voice or do you like to look at my okay.

[00:00:45] Face?

[00:00:47] Andrew: Uh, I think we’re just here to talk about cats.

[00:00:50] Emily: Um, largely my cat was down here early. She hates it when I’m down here this late, she’s like, uh, Hey Emily, it’s, you know, it’s like Quintin time. Right. You know, you shouldn’t work so hard, you shouldn’t work so hard. So yeah, basically my what’s new is I’ve started saying no to freelance offers and I’ve actually dropped, um, a freelance client just because it was taking up too much.

[00:01:17] Good for

[00:01:17] Andrew: you. That’s actually, that’s a, that’s a huge.

[00:01:21] Emily: Yeah. Cause I remember, cause I remember last week we talked about, because literally like an hour before we recorded this, I did the premiere. Cause I’m doing those on Monday nights now I’ve started doing it much better engagement, livelier bunch. I like it.

[00:01:35] Um, as long as I can do it, cause I will always be able to be there. Um,

[00:01:40] Andrew: yeah, no, I can’t, I couldn’t be there either. It was during my commute.

[00:01:44] Emily: Yeah. I thought I’d set it for a little bit later, but I was like playing a video game, which I haven’t done in a while because I’ve been too busy and uh, I was like, oh I got a notification.

[00:01:56] Apparently I’m doing something in 15 minutes. Is that a bird?

[00:02:01] Andrew: Yeah, I think I’m hearing the bird noises as the sun goes down. Oh, that’s really nice. Cause I put the in, at my window last week and it’s not really that sealed as I take the screen out of my window. And then just filled in the gaps between the hose and the window with a towel.

[00:02:19] Yeah, I still haven’t properly. I should probably do that.

[00:02:23] Emily: Probably you’ll let you got a haircut, but you didn’t. But I did. I also got to hear her. That’s another, that’s another what’s new. Uh, the guy cut my hair plays for the sings and a bunch of bands, including a Seattle’s favorite Halloween queen cover band Halloween.

[00:02:41] Nice. Thanks for the haircut. I paid him. So it’s like, I’m saying it, like I got it. Then trade

[00:02:50] Andrew: brought to you by a biotech guy. My hair. I could say that about ad spots this weekend, this week’s episode brought to you by,

[00:02:58] Emily: uh, do you know what? I would gladly have a sponsor who just would cut my hair every six weeks or something.

[00:03:09] Andrew: I mean, I would say the same thing, but I also haven’t had a haircut in going on 18 months now.

[00:03:15] Emily: That’s I mean, I think Rick has you beat, but mine was 13 months and I liked the length, so I’m glad I got to keep most of the length, but, uh, I needed, I was filming a demo and I just, the intro like, Hey, my name is Emily and I need a haircut.

[00:03:33] Andrew: Oh yeah, no, I’ve got split ends up the wazoo. I mean it’s

[00:03:39] Emily: yeah, Rick, um, he has beautiful, beautiful curls. So like it’s, it’s really nice. Uh, he likes to put up in a bun like you do. I could say something funny about his hair also, but I’m not going to, because I don’t think he would appreciate that very much fair, but yeah, I’ve been turning down some freelance writing gigs.

[00:04:00] Uh, well, it always, I don’t know if it was the oh eight recession, probably the oh eight recession or just really being underpaid for literally every year I was living in Nashville, but the idea of turning down money, like really stresses me out, even if it would mean that I would be working 80, 90 hour weeks, like I got to sleep, but more than sleep, I got to do fun stuff for me.

[00:04:29] There’s no reason to make that much money. If I can’t enjoy the things I can get with money, money is a vehicle, not the end game.

[00:04:41] Andrew: That is very true. And for Jeff Bezos, the vehicle is going to space and maybe coming back. Yeah,

[00:04:49] Emily: we don’t, I don’t want him to die. I don’t want anybody to die. I hope it’s a successful mission, but also I would, I would be fine if he just like.

[00:04:58] Stayed there, like just thought it was cool. Like

[00:05:05] Andrew: I’ve done everything I can do on earth,

[00:05:07] Emily: money on earth. Now I need to mind the moon.

[00:05:11] Andrew: If the moon was made out of cheese, would you mind it for money?

[00:05:19] Emily: Maybe I would definitely take a bite of it. What kind of cheese is it? Manchego?

[00:05:27] Andrew: As long as it’s not problem, we want a road trip this last weekend. And on the way out, I was like, I realized I hadn’t eaten dinner. I’m supposed to be driving for like two or three hours late at night. And so I need something.

[00:05:38] So it ran into the, into the, the grocery store and like the sandwiches, like the sandwiches were like $8 for like this teeny old sub sandwich that looked disgusting. Cause it was like 9:00 PM.

[00:05:50] Emily: Yeah. That’s not that you should just ask for a discount. Well, you sell little four bucks. I’ll pay

[00:05:56] Andrew: in cash, haggling it, a Kroger with cash as if they act people don’t

[00:06:00] Emily: even actually I have, I have haggled at Kroger.

[00:06:04] I’m not even kidding. Yeah. Oh, I have to customer service for something like success. It’s not a great story, but like, it was like a product was damaged or something and I’m like, can I get 20% off on this? And I’m like, yeah,

[00:06:21] Andrew: well, I didn’t feel like haggling. The family was in the car. I’m like, I gotta get going.

[00:06:24] So I just and looked around for a couple of other options. I’m like, oh, or it could get a couple of these like charcuterie cheese and meat roll-up situations for like seven bucks

[00:06:33] Emily: a pack. Like I like provolone on a sandwich, but just eating provolone is not, not fun.

[00:06:38] Andrew: It was so stinking. When we opened up in the car, it was so stinky.

[00:06:41] It tasted phenomenal, but poor Melissa was such a champion. She’s like, that smells disgusting. And she didn’t roll down the way.

[00:06:49] Emily: That’s a good woman.

[00:06:52] Andrew: Yeah. And it was the math checked out. I’m like, well, I could get a couple of these for the same price as a couple of sandwiches and we don’t need to eat that much.

[00:06:59] We just need like a little something in her stomach. And that’s probably going to be a lot tastier and less likely to give you food poisoning. So, yeah.

[00:07:12] Emily: So I guess that was what was new with you, but you have a hat and you had an ice assume that I assume that you didn’t just get the Lambert tones hat. Uh,

[00:07:20] Andrew: you know, you might assume that, but also last time I, the last thing I got from Lambert tones was a shirt. So

[00:07:26] Emily: no, that was from a contest.

[00:07:28] Andrew: How do you remember that?

[00:07:29] Geez.

[00:07:30] Emily: You and flipped in worldly, both one. And I think what Clifton worldly had the

[00:07:33] Andrew: contest. I had the contest and I won. I think that’s the only contest I’ve ever seen. On Instagram,

[00:07:41] Emily: I’ve won. I won the simplifier and I won the BALCO blood

[00:07:45] Andrew: buzz. And how many times did you receive

[00:07:49] Emily: both? Well, one of them took, one of them was fast, the VELCO blood buzz, and one of them took over a year and I just constant bugging.

[00:07:59] I’m like, you should do the thing. I was like, you shouldn’t do a contest that you’re not going to fulfill the contest. I, I feel like that is probably illegal. It’s probably a very, very low on the totem pole of things that are illegal, but it seems like fraud.

[00:08:19] Andrew: I don’t know. That does remind me. I’ve been trying to like unlearn the habit of using the term totem pole and it’s really difficult for me because I’m so used to using it.

[00:08:31] And I hear all the time in corporate culture.

[00:08:34] Emily: Say low on the front board instead.

[00:08:38] Andrew: What do you got against cowboy chords? Come on. As we established last week, that’s all I can play. Uh, I don’t believe

[00:08:45] Emily: you when you say that.

[00:08:47] Andrew: So no, and it was, I’ve been trying to unlearn it and I just, it full confession. I’ve been having a heck of a time with trying to not say that verbally.

[00:08:56] And every time I start to say, like, I pause my sentences, everyone’s like, go on. You can S this is a safe place. And yeah, no, I can’t. I just freeze. I’m like, what, what am I supposed to say instead?

[00:09:10] Emily: I don’t really use that phrase. So it was not a hard one for me, but I’m trying to say get that’s crazy or that’s insane.

[00:09:20] And I don’t know if saying that’s bonkers is better, but it feels better. It feels less like offensive. Now we might actually be losing some people.

[00:09:35] Andrew: You are correct. I didn’t just get a hat. I also got a nice coffee cup that was laser engraved with the, uh, Lambert tones, um, the electronics logo on it. And I also got a nice bag of coffee, uh, which coincidentally, oh, that will.

[00:09:50] So back to the coffee cup, I’m going to be a total tease here. I’m going to drag this out. The coffee cup is cool because it’s got the twist, the lid on it. So two parter. So the top of it’s just the cap to the lid itself, twist offense, a 360 degree spill resistant sipper lid with a really nice, like comfortable lip on it.

[00:10:08] So I can just like sip coffee from any angle from any angle. And it’s, it’s not like I, I kept it in the car for like completely full of coffee as I slowly sipping on our drive back from the weekend. No spills whatsoever is great.

[00:10:21] Emily: Um, that’s pretty nice. That’s really nice. Especially for cars.

[00:10:26] Andrew: Um, yeah,

[00:10:27] Emily: no, I mean, that was just, I can’t, I couldn’t justify

[00:10:30] Andrew: getting in those super nice.

[00:10:31] I totally made though. I don’t know if that’s something Curtis sells or if that’s just something he throws in every once in a while. But I do want to say publicly, thank you, Curtis. Um,

[00:10:40] Emily: if you bought something from Lamberton and didn’t get one feel upset and it’s okay. Sometimes there are friendships.

[00:10:46] Sometimes people have connections that you don’t have that kind of shows up as probably going to make you completely blurry. So pull it back toward yourself. Pretty slow.

[00:10:55] Andrew: Curtis, Curtis now keeping in touch, uh, and remaining friends over the last couple of years since he was our second or third episode originally.

[00:11:06] And

[00:11:06] Emily: yeah. oh, I see a humbucker hat for sale. So that’s all I see. Yeah. So the hats

[00:11:13] Andrew: are for selling, uh, this to that.

[00:11:21] Emily: H

[00:11:22] Andrew: S S set in the humbucker has the, uh, uh, hold this closer. The foil cover on it.

[00:11:31] Emily: Yes. It’s called the grinder.

[00:11:35] Andrew: This is the grinder. Although the, the, so both of the,

[00:11:38] Emily: both of them double shot and a grinder,

[00:11:40] Andrew: the triple shot, although I guess it is only a Tuesday. Does that make it a double

[00:11:46] Emily: shot? Curtis? My dad joke moment.

[00:11:48] Good Lord.

[00:11:51] Andrew: That’s fair. That’s completely fair. I’m going to have to ask Curtis about that and see if that’s that needs to change anyways. Uh, yeah, so I got the SA I’m super excited, but I’m also like, I still don’t have a body for the guitar. So I’ve got the neck, I’ve got the tunes. Um, he also talks to the neck plate.

[00:12:11] So I’m going to add the neck plate to the body.

[00:12:14] Emily: It’s got pretty

[00:12:15] Andrew: much everything, but the kitchen sink, everything, but the body itself for the guitar, uh, I don’t know if

[00:12:23] Emily: this is going to show up. No, it’s not in the, not in the bag. It’s not sorry. It’s not a ton of contrast. This is really, this is very thrilling for the hundreds of people who actually listened to the podcast audio version.

[00:12:42] Yes. That was visible. And

[00:12:46] Andrew: um, yeah, so I, uh, no, I’m super shy for all this. I I’m just completely blown away with how pretty this is even like. Uh, it’s just also well done. And I’m now going to frantically start searching for who can get me a body of the fastest cars. I’m going to be impatient.

[00:13:04] Emily: Warmoth um, pre-made is going to be the best.

[00:13:06] That’s

[00:13:07] Andrew: probably my fastest.

[00:13:08] Emily: I might give up, especially since they’re like, right. And pull y’all up or something.

[00:13:13] Andrew: See, I might give up my hopes and dreams of doing a nitro build.

[00:13:20] So I’m not going to, so I’ve decided against going to build myself. Um, so it’s down to do I want to pay someone to do nitro or am I happy to get warm enough to do a poly finish and just accept that it’s not going to check in age?

[00:13:33] Emily: Did they not do nitro finishes? Mm, Nope. Yeah. I mean, that’s,

[00:13:43] Andrew: I have selected the parts that I am dead set on, and I’ve already talked to Sean from Gunn street about the wiring harness and got a couple down to a couple final ideas on what we’re going to do there.

[00:13:56] And I’m just down to just the complete paralysis of what am I going to do for this body? What am I going to do for color and Picard? And yeah,

[00:14:06] Emily: those are, those are big decisions because they’re not really undoable,

[00:14:11] Andrew: not easily. Oh, you went

[00:14:13] Emily: back for free. Is your autofocus turned off on this five cam,

[00:14:19] Andrew: is it possible that the livestream is being interrupted by the recording?

[00:14:24] Because it looks fine on my end.

[00:14:27] Emily: Just do the thing again, because every

[00:14:30] Andrew: other time you thumbnail.

[00:14:33] Emily: There we go see that’s better. All, all right. All

[00:14:36] Andrew: right. Gaslighting me, you sent the patrons of thumbnail of my nose. He gets to see my pores.

[00:14:44] Emily: Yeah. That’s cause you did the thing in the podcast where I had no choice.

[00:14:50] If you don’t want to timestamp it and tell me to remove it while it’s happening. Because I it’s funny. I’m like, oh yeah, I have extra days to do, to edit the podcast. Now I edited it this morning. Like the morning it got released, I had extra days and I waited until more last minute than

[00:15:09] Andrew: usual. And this week you’re going to have extra days, two

[00:15:13] Emily: more extra

[00:15:14] Andrew: days this week.

[00:15:14] Yeah, we are recording this a little bit early. Cause um, I guess like I’m going out of town this weekend. So before this episode is released, I will have gotten on my first plane in the last 18, since, since Nam 20, 20, the first time that I’m on a plane and I’m. Kind of freaked

[00:15:31] Emily: out. I don’t know how to feel about that.

[00:15:34] You’ll be fine. It’ll be fine. Um, wait, you didn’t go on a plane when you saw your brother the other

[00:15:43] Andrew: month, that would be this upcoming weekend.

[00:15:45] Emily: Um,

[00:15:49] Andrew: so celebrating my brother’s two year anniversary of being sober, proud of him and, uh, very excited to celebrate. Hmm. Any who what’s, uh, what’s do with you.

[00:16:04] Emily: I already said what was new with me?

[00:16:06] I’ve just been saying no to things and also, oh, I got this really beautiful market pike place.

[00:16:14] Andrew: Oh, I, oh my goodness. I guess I haven’t thought that pike place market would be open again,

[00:16:19] Emily: but I met and it was largely open, I think, because it’s open doors, but it’s been, I mean, I got this back in may, so it’s not really new.

[00:16:28] I just don’t have, I just literally don’t have anything new. I got my enter. My in-ears came back in.

[00:16:36] Oh, that reminds

[00:16:37] Andrew: me, I think the order a, um, I’ve been recording the, the big cans and I tried when we had Andy from helper of the day on, uh, to make the interiors work and they just, the extension that I have is won’t connect. Right. And I’m getting really mad at it. I’m thinking about literally just burning it.

[00:16:57] Um, okay, fine. I’ll just throw it away, uh, or stripping it for copper and I needed to put an order with sinusoid. I think I’m just going to do

[00:17:06] Emily: that. Oh yeah. I have one of those extenders. It’s just the

[00:17:12] Andrew: sort of thing. Like you don’t need all the time, but when you need it, you really need it to work well.

[00:17:16] Yeah.

[00:17:18] Emily: well, it’s, I suppose, good for a lot of things, but mostly reliability, natural lifetime

[00:17:24] Andrew: warranty, but I wouldn’t have, I wouldn’t hate to start wearing in years for the show partially because I’ve just been wearing these a lot more lately and like showing

[00:17:34] Emily: them off. When he said these listeners, he was pointing out his earrings last week.

[00:17:40] I wore my, um, my AKG S uh, K seven oh one, uh, reference headphones, open backs, and someone on the channel made a comment about them, like water, those saucers. They’re big, nice headphones.

[00:18:02] I’ve never had them. Um, it’s, it’s nice when you’re not in a room with other

[00:18:05] Andrew: exactly. And that’s why I don’t have any,

[00:18:10] Emily: but, uh, a really nice natural listening kind of

[00:18:13] Andrew: feeling. My roommate had a set of grottoes open backs in when we were in college. And every once in a while I’ll be like, Hey, can I borrow your headphones?

[00:18:23] Emily: I was needed this. I need, I need this to sound good. Yeah. I have the U E R R as the reference remaster that they did with them. Capitol records, the record recordings to you, famous recording studio. The little left ear is quite a bit more comfortable than the right ear, but if it doesn’t feel good and sound good.

[00:18:47] Yeah. And this, yeah, toys again, things that I afforded to buy, but have not afforded to you.

[00:18:56] Andrew: Fair enough. Fair enough. But shows are coming up on the horizon. Things are starting to continue to open up, which is exciting and frightening and exhilarating and just kind of all of these.

[00:19:08] Emily: Yeah. We’ve been getting, um, we’ve been getting offers.

[00:19:11] I think I mentioned last week that there was one, I, you know, I can’t confirm until it’s confirmed, but like we’ve said yes to a two going on three things. I think we’re working on getting two more things together in late August. Uh, we won’t be playing before late August, but, um, it’s nice to have that to look forward to itchy for how much I really want to play a show.

[00:19:35] Andrew: Totally. Yeah. And I was listening to KXP on the way into the office this morning and they’re like, oh yeah, like Japanese breakfast and like this band and this band. Yeah. Do I need to start buying tickets to shows like, can I start doing that? Am I allowed? This is

[00:19:51] Emily: so strange. We’ll be buying tickets to see rat boys whenever that gets announced here.

[00:19:55] Cause I know it’s happened.

[00:19:58] Andrew: I’m bummed. I covered announced a west coast tour and they’re not coming up this far north. Oh,

[00:20:04] Emily: that’s not west coast then what, how far north are they called?

[00:20:08] Andrew: I think like writing for a

[00:20:12] Emily: show. Yeah, it’s a California tour. Oh gosh. I hate it. I’m sorry. Bands. I hate it when he’s called something a west coast tour and it’s literally just California

[00:20:21] Andrew: place.

[00:20:22] Two people live here.

[00:20:24] Emily: Yeah, you can go from as far north, as Vancouver. I don’t know how

[00:20:27] Andrew: they afford to do so do what live here that we were having this conversation in the office the other day. And they’re like, uh, someone was complaining about it, like, oh yeah, we put in like a bid at like X amount of dollars.

[00:20:41] I think, I think they put in like for $200,000 over asking price or something, just absurd on like a $1.5 million home. And they got outbid by someone else. Who’d been like over half a million. Over asking price. I’m like, holy cow.

[00:20:58] Emily: Okay. I wish I could feel worse for people who can bed $1.7 million on a house, but right.

[00:21:06] I mean, it sucks that we can’t

[00:21:10] Andrew: anyone at my pay level.

[00:21:11] Emily: Um, I know it’s weird. It’s just like, the inventory is so low right now. Like we go to an open house on neighborhood and we’re like, oh yeah, we don’t know. Maybe people say that the realtor is straight up say to our faces. If you don’t have to buy right now, you should not be trying to buy right now.

[00:21:31] Yeah.

[00:21:32] Andrew: Unless you have to like move to Seattle for a job you’re coming in from out of

[00:21:36] Emily: town. Have to thus have to buy right now.

[00:21:42] Andrew: I could hear that. Sorry. I just poured myself. Refresher

[00:21:49] Emily: a spin drift you guys. You got to say the things as you show them. Cause now it’s been,

[00:21:54] Andrew: but there’s also definitely tequila,

[00:21:57] Emily: a mug with trees

[00:21:59] Andrew: painted on it.

[00:22:00] Definitely put tequila in the can so I could have a low-calorie Poloma, no added sugar, just Spindrift and a little bit of tequila. I love it. It’s so much better than the Cray.

[00:22:14] Emily: Yeah. We’ll agree to disagree. Everyone has their

[00:22:16] Andrew: taste. Okay. Let me, let me rephrase that. I enjoy it so much better than the query, but I also tend to love super sweet things anymore, which is really strange.

[00:22:27] Cause I used to have like the most sweet it’s got like an artificial sweetness without being like actually sweet. Like not like school

[00:22:35] Emily: flavors, you’re drinking, but that’s not, I don’t, I don’t know. I don’t, I don’t care. I don’t agree. That’s fine.

[00:22:42] Andrew: I’m more concerned with the Cory’s CEO’s comments about disabled people.

[00:22:48] Emily: Fair shit. Now you made me sound like a fucking,

[00:22:52] Andrew: Hey, I don’t blame anyone for it. That’s just a personal thing. I don’t think that’s like a, like, everyone needs to not kind of a situation. I just, it hit me the wrong way and yeah,

[00:23:04] Emily: no, that’s that’s fair. That’s you

[00:23:06] Andrew: know, talking rain is local Spindrift is a bit healthier

[00:23:12] Emily: talking, right.

[00:23:12] It sponsored timber talking. Honestly, I want to be honest. I just get what’s easier to find and you know, what they have is the Costco LaCroix. They

[00:23:23] Andrew: also have spin drafts. Yeah. Three

[00:23:25] Emily: flavors. But I don’t like, I don’t like Spindrift. I don’t know. I’m just thinking. I like bubbly. Bubbly is another one. I actually like

[00:23:36] Andrew: bubble is too bubbly.

[00:23:38] You know what

[00:23:39] Emily: dude eat it. I don’t care. This is the worst conversation we’ve ever had and I’m very tired of having it retweeted. This was the worst from the worst conversation we’ve ever had. And one of the best bonds response we’ve ever done this week’s episode of the get offset podcast is sponsored by Rood tech based out of Nashville, Tennessee.

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[00:25:16] Emily: It’s like when I tell people, um, uh, like when I used to intern at the beggars group, I got to actually meet some of the bands and I’m like, I’m at fucked up.

[00:25:26] They actually seemed really well adjusted.

[00:25:31] Yeah. Yeah. The violators Kurt vile on the violators, the vial, the violators, Kurt, Kurt files, backup band. Yeah. They were actually really, really nice. It didn’t feel violated at all. Yeah. Jay retard was actually really sweet. Nice guy. I think I’ve, I’ve talked about this before, but he was especially interested in just like chatting with the interns and like seemed really, really down to earth.

[00:25:54] Yeah.

[00:25:56] Andrew: He made great punk rock. Very cool. Punk rock is great.

[00:26:00] Emily: Memphis style garage rock. I just last this punk rock scene in America. Memphis,

[00:26:07] Andrew: can’t say in particular, particularly familiar with anything from Memphis in terms of punk rock. But

[00:26:13] Emily: what about Ghana records?

[00:26:18] Um, the Oblivians

[00:26:21] Andrew: look, I just like loud and noisy and energetic. Anything that fits that chances are pretty solid. Like

[00:26:29] Emily: it. Hi, you would like it. Um,

[00:26:35] yeah. Uh, let’s see. Let’s just pull up some, some names. Yeah. I don’t think, I don’t know if you had known any of those. Um, oh shoot. My brain just stopped working and now it’s back. It’s okay. It came back. Um, I think I mentioned, I don’t remember admissions in the pre-show, but uh, we’re recording this on Prince’s birthday.

[00:26:56] And though he did not celebrate his birthday. I choose to celebrate it. Sirius XM has, um, a channel dedicated to prince at least all month. It’s on channel 3 33. Uh, today I was listening to her signature Stratocaster, uh, hosted an hour. And it was really just beautiful to hear her talk about prince. And, um, she would say, you know, uh, she said, and cause I thought this too, people come up to me and who knew prince and say prince would have loved you.

[00:27:27] He would have invited you to Paisley park. He would have produced your album. Like he would have loved you. And she kind of ended it by saying, we love you prince. And I got kind of choked up and then she played purple rain. And then you logged on. And I was like, bam,

[00:27:43] is it the, the guitar solo? Thankfully. So it’s pretty much the end of the song. So it’s decent. I

[00:27:46] Andrew: definitely got strong vibes. Like, am I interrupting something

[00:27:50] Emily: you said? Or you’re interrupting very personal private moment between me and myself. And the purple Yoda.

[00:27:57] Andrew: Yep. Well, apologies for interrupting, but it’s okay to print.

[00:28:04] Emily: Well, he wouldn’t have liked that at all.

[00:28:08] Andrew: Well, I liked it and it was fine. I’m a narcissist. So that’s what matters.

[00:28:13] Emily: No, I was talking about the, the alcoholic beverage. Yeah.

[00:28:19] guitar

[00:28:23] Andrew: topic.

[00:28:25] Emily: That’s your, wait a second. I just remember what I’m wearing. Something this wasn’t planned. I get on and Andrew is like, let’s talk about pride. And I’ve just now realized that I am wearing my, this reverb Kilz fascist shirt, because I was considering demoing the Dan electro spring reverb today, which is something.

[00:28:47] Uh, for a very small amount of money. Um, and if you follow me on Tik TOK or Instagram, it’s the one where there was a video of a guy to squish throwing it over the, uh, my fence. So, um, and I know that the person who owns the organization that owns Dan electrodes Eva’s corporation and, uh, their founders real homophobic.

[00:29:13] And I don’t like that at all, but I do like that they make affordable and guitars. So I’m going to donate like two 50 bucks or something to the Trevor project.

[00:29:24] Andrew: Yeah. I was going to get it round to the trend for project actually.

[00:29:28] Emily: Yeah, I guess I’m just hogging the conversation. Andrew, what’s the topic. Yes.

[00:29:33] Andrew: Because when it comes to pride, the person that you should be hogging, the conversation is the at white dude.

[00:29:39] Emily: I mean, that’s only marginally worse than a white woman, but. Yeah.

[00:29:47] Andrew: All right. So first of all, full recognition that we haven’t done a great job of observing the months of this last year.

[00:29:55] Emily: I don’t know.

[00:29:56] We just consistently did didn’t because I don’t think we did women’s history month, black history month or API.

[00:30:03] Andrew: And so, uh, yeah, just want to acknowledge that. I am aware that we didn’t say a whole lot during those months on those particular topics, we probably should have, uh, an extra, we should do a better job on that.

[00:30:15] And with that said it is pride month and it’s something that should be talked about. And

[00:30:23] I think the, one of the overarching themes that I’m seeing multiple years in a row now is like, I, here we go, corporations are going to try and take advantage of this and use it as a marketing stunt. Yes,

[00:30:37] Emily: very similar. Like that’s capitalism,

[00:30:41] Andrew: it comes to marketing says, how can we relate to our target market?

[00:30:44] And it’s less about what certain companies actually care about and more about let’s make the most of our marketing impact. Let’s talk about clicks for dollar and like all the other metrics, like how can we get this down to some very concise KPIs that prove that we’re doing a better job of running our business and taking advantage of this opportunity to maybe get a little bump that we need.

[00:31:08] And it’s great. It’s great. It’s frustrating to see, um, even as someone who as assistant white dude, who’s not personally affected by that necessarily. It’s so frustrating for me to be like, come on guys, like really? And so. It’s very pervasive to the extent that when I see a company that does something that says something, that’s like, oh, you’re saying that something decent, that’s refreshing.

[00:31:39] It really stands out to me. And so a company I’d like to call out and just kind of the front end of this conversation is like, I actually really appreciate what th this company said. Uh, and I just felt like it was, I thought I’d like to call that out. Um, cower guitars. Yeah. Doug is great. He, I remember meeting him at Nam.

[00:31:59] He’s just absolute bundle of joy and the, it does not at all. Surprise me to see, uh, something like this posted from him. Um, so I’m just, I’m going to read it. And Emily, you, uh, share your, uh, instantaneous reaction, a small personal message here. It is pride month, and it seems like the month where businesses.

[00:32:23] I screw this up already. It is pride month and it seems like the month where, okay, it didn’t screw it up. Uh, were businesses put, puts a pride flag on their account. But to me personally, it’s always, it always feels a bit pandering and disingenuous thing. Ding, ding, ding, ding, to be clear, I’m not attacking anyone over this.

[00:32:41] I just want to say to our LGB, LG LBGT, family members and friends, we love you. We’re proud of you and continue to find happiness and love for yourself. We loved you last month and we will love you. Just, we will love you next month, just as much, but the pride flag is your symbol. Now, ours to use as a marketing tool, I would hope our actions and how we treat everyone is a better indicator of our support, Doug and the cower crew.

[00:33:09] Emily: I think that’s really nice. And I think that the key is there are two keys in that and one was. We loved you last month and we’ll love you next month. And the other one was that, uh, it’s, it’s not our flag to use in marketing. So I want to start with the first one personally, um, because Hilary Jones on the midriff podcast just touched on this last week, uh, in her episode with our friend Tia, from working class music, um, she went through and looked to see which brands who did blackout Tuesday have said anything about the civil rights movement since blackout Tuesday.

[00:33:44] Uh, but not actually not really that, but more like, did they donate money and talk about it? Did they donate goods to, um, um, not auctions, but a raffles and things like that. So that was kind of, uh, illuminating. And I that’s, I think maybe the more tangible point, I haven’t noticed a lot of guitar brands doing the pride flag stuff.

[00:34:10] Have you

[00:34:12] Andrew: not at a time now? Um,

[00:34:13] Emily: I mean, let me open Instagram and just check out some big names here. Let’s look at fender. Nope. Same logo. Let’s look at Gibson, same logo. Let’s look at Dan electro, same logo, ultimate ears changed. There’s that? I’m just seeing that in my feed, but yeah, I haven’t noticed that permeating the music industry as much as a permeates, like the alcohol industry and industries that have, uh, that I think want to at least have a big LGBT base.

[00:34:50] There are a lot of LGBT guitarists and, uh, several builders. Um, none of whom I will name because that’s not my business to share. Um, but some are really open about it. Like this small acts spaced out in Nashville. She’s training. And we’ll talk about that. Um, we all know that Fran from Fran tone is, is trans because she’s outspoken about that and has talked about that, um, who else is really public about it?

[00:35:19] Andrew: Um,

[00:35:23] Emily: all right. Well, it doesn’t matter for all intents and purposes

[00:35:27] Andrew: and she shows just relate, uh, put together a, um, the Instagram social media drop saying that, Hey, we’ve been reading through the comments, we have noticed some things and just want to throw this out there. Yeah. We support all, all women, like

[00:35:43] Emily: all.

[00:35:44] Yeah. I mean, as you grow, you have to kind of reiterate those sorts of things, right. Because it can get really. Really nasty really quickly. Where did their posts? I thought that was, oh, that I’m cause I’m looking at Bobby’s personal page by accident. Sorry. Uh, still some great content there. Um, was there was, uh, there was a really funny one that they posted.

[00:36:10] Oh yeah. So, um, she, shreds is a space that is safe and invaded our musical expressions, identities, abilities, yadda yeah. Woman and GNC, guitarist and bassist. La-di-da all good things. Okay. That wasn’t exactly what I meant. So basically they’re saying if you’re going to be a Dick, we’re gonna let yourself, um, there was a, where did that go?

[00:36:41] Oh, there is a picture of Melissa Etheridge and, uh, Tracy Chapman. Oh God. That’s gross. Uh, T and Sarah, oh, powderpuff Powerpuff girls. It says female play guitar. You have a 93% higher chance of being gay than if you’re a female adult play guitar. And that sounds like a made up statistic, but also it’s also sounds like a true statistic.

[00:37:06] You know what I mean? Um, and I, like, I just think that’s kind of a funny thing to point out. There’s those seem to be a lot more openness and, um, like the LGBT world in guitar for women, then there does seem to be for men. That’s something that I’ve noticed. And I think there are a few reasons. I think that, you know, women who, you know, are LGBT probably are a little bit less generally like tethered to gender norms and don’t have somebody pressuring them to.

[00:37:40] Get married, settle down, have kids give up your career for your husband’s kinds of things? I think that’s one thing. I think there’s always just always just been a lot more representation from literally the beginning was sister Rosetta Tharpe. And, uh, like for this generation, the nineties, like, um, especially in full Ida Franco is by no, she was married to a man and had children with Ben.

[00:38:07] Uh, she, I think she is, I could be wrong about that. Uh, uh, um, Melissa Etheridge and, um, Ooh, the indigo girls. Yes. Emily and Amy, and then into the new, actual new generation, like people who grew up listening to like Teagan and Sarah. So I think there’s just been a lot more visibility for a long time, especially it was like really considered a bit of a.

[00:38:37] The, the nail in the coffin, if you were a man trying to make it a music and were gay and it wasn’t like musical theater, like it’s as bad, it’s as bad as sports. And I still think there’s a lot of people who aren’t accepting of gay men and music changing. It is a shame. It is a shame.

[00:39:06] Andrew: Yeah. This is where it come into the conversation. Someone who likes to think that I’m relatively empathetic, but like, I want to do,

[00:39:20] how do I phrase this? I feel like I’m at risk of being the casual white ally ally. That wants to be like, I want to do something more to help. I want to, like, this is like, this is important. And then kind of just drops off. Yeah. Okay.

[00:39:42] How do I, I’ve got like 18 different thoughts running around in the back of my head right now. And pick one, pick one. That’s so hard. It’s like asking me to pick a color for the Jazzmaster body. I think where I’m running is similar to where I’ve at 18 thoughts in the back of my mind, I’ve also got like 18 thoughts of like, what are things like me doing?

[00:40:05] Like she was 18 different things. I think of, um, one of which you mentioned earlier, which is something I’ve been talking with most about doing for Fox sky row is what would it look like for Fox Cairo to do something similar to what we did last year for black lives matter where we have donated all profits from sales on the black lives matter, uh, toppers.

[00:40:28] Um, All profits from that have been donated to our local chapter of the NAACP. And what if we did something like that for pride, where we donated the, the organization I’ve looked at is the Trevor project is the one I’m leaning towards right now. If we decide that we’re going to go forward in that. And so I want to be able to do something about these things and put my money where my mouth is out.

[00:40:49] And I guess the followup is I have to figure out what that balance is of I’m listening. And I’m not just trying to like throw money at things just so I can be like, aha, I helped.

[00:41:02] Emily: Yeah. But when you give, but giving money’s important. Totally. I mean, because like these organizations can stretch that money a lot farther than you are.

[00:41:12] I could, for those good causes. I mean, I think ultimately the biggest thing for like what we can do because. Fox Harrow can make, you know, a significant financial donation if a lot of people support it. Um, I think that the voice that we have doing what we do is more important probably. And I think that as a, as a, as a man, that, uh, the best thing that you can do is stand up to people that, you know, and are around because they’re gonna listen to you before.

[00:41:48] They’ll listen to like, even me.

[00:41:50] Andrew: Totally. Yeah, no, I mean, Um, my coworkers at my day job, I would hope know that that isn’t something that I put up with because it’s something that I’ve called out a handful of times before and be like, Hey yeah guys, no, no, no, no. Uh, working it in particularly a male dominated industry where some of that conversation might be more of like a locker room talk situation.

[00:42:12] Uh, that’s not something I’m a fan of, uh, whether it be there, whether it be in my family, uh, my brother who’s celebrating to your sobriety is by, and that’s been a key discussion throughout the family and be like, Hey guys, can we just like, let him live his life and love the guy. Cause he’s great. And I don’t think we’re, we’re all family.

[00:42:33] So it’s not like any of us are trying to like this isn’t Alabama.

[00:42:39] Emily: No, it doesn’t matter where you are though. Like right now it can still be so much harder. It’s just like an extra barrier that you’re born with. Right.

[00:42:49] Andrew: Like some of those local conversations are really important, but also on this platform and thinking about it in terms of like, this is the industry that we’re in and how do we do this?

[00:43:01] Well is really probably the question I should have started off with is what does it look like to support pride? Well, what does it look like to support, uh, use our position to making positive impacts? Because even if I don’t have the answer to that, I know that’s the goal that I have in mind at the end of the day.

[00:43:21] Like that’s what I want to be able to do.

[00:43:24] Emily: Yeah,

[00:43:27] no, I think that’s fair.

[00:43:34] So I was also fact checking in that moment. It’s fact checking something that one of us said

[00:43:39] Andrew: that’s totally good. Yeah.

[00:43:43] Emily: I was like, oh shoot. Did I say something stupid? Oh, the alert I got earlier was from rocket music year. Nice. Did you know that I’m, I’m an official docket artists?

[00:43:55] Andrew: I did. I did notice that either today or yesterday, because I checked social media inside a stack of envelopes, one of which had your name on it listed as artists.

[00:44:08] Emily: Hm. Shipping from the Desto California, California to quote the hold steady Modesto is not that sweet.

[00:44:19] Andrew: I’ve never been,

[00:44:22] Emily: yeah. Any other bye

[00:44:25] Andrew: and yeah, not at the top of my list of places to visit, not opposed to visiting them. I

[00:44:30] Emily: mean, what’s there to visit.

[00:44:31] Andrew: I don’t know. I’ve never been,

[00:44:36] Emily: there are a lot of places in this world that I think the primary reason to visit them would be because you know, somebody there.

[00:44:42] Yeah. Yeah. But, um, as for pride month, I think something that pride month doesn’t really get that some of the other months do like black history month, especially women’s history month is like shout outs just to support the businesses that are LGBT owned. Um, and the artists who are LGBT, uh, because there are plenty of them and they are there and they make great music, many of them.

[00:45:14] Um, and yeah, I think the businesses is a big one. And again, like the unlike it’s one thing to be like, here’s a black owned business. Here’s a black owned business because that’s like a visible thing, but I feel really uncomfortable doing that unless someone has really talked about it a lot, which is why I kind of bristled at the thing, because even though that is true, I only knew about it.

[00:45:40] I can only confirm it because it was written about an article three years ago. So like, yeah. That’s a little concern. Like I don’t, I don’t know. Maybe, maybe there is more, um, there’s more access talks about it. So I felt pretty comfortable with that one. Um, Debbie ever talked about a lot, Fran talks about it.

[00:46:01] Some, um, you know, I just there’s some things like that unless somebody talks about it and makes a post about it. It’s just, it doesn’t feel like my business. I love them every way to Sunday, but that’s one where, yeah, I’m not, cause I don’t want to say something bad. Like people often want to stand by what they create versus these identity aspects.

[00:46:32] I’ve interviewed people. Um, cause I do that sometimes and one person, you know, so. About something. She, she said, well, uh, so this is one of my ex-girlfriend and she’s like, can you not mention that? I’m like, yeah, I get it because she doesn’t want that to be like the thing, even though it’s like, it’s a part of who this person is and a part of this person’s identity and you know, like nothing wrong with it.

[00:46:57] But that’s, that’s up to the people who, the makers and the builders and the musicians, like it’s up to them.

[00:47:10] I thought you froze for a second. No,

[00:47:12] Andrew: no, I, sorry. I I’ve been nodding my head a little. Uh, and then I like stopped to like sit and think for a moment and yeah, I’m in full agreement. I think people have every right to decide how they would like to be represented and have control over that branding.

[00:47:28] Instead of other people like listen to all the things they want to talk about, the random they’re like latch onto the one other thing that they’re like, well that I don’t want that to be a defining factor of mine.

[00:47:38] Emily: Yeah. I mean, it’s the same way that like, listen, I can’t hide that. I’m a woman, right. It’s a difficult, it’s pretty obvious when you look at me, like you can, you can guess that, um, I don’t want that to be defining about me.

[00:47:52] Sure. But it’s, I can’t hide that. You know, I, you know, there are things that I can hide that I do talk about. Like I talk about, I’ll talk about like having anxiety and depression, taking, taking medication for it so that I, you know, they’ll have terrible thoughts and you know, but not everyone, mine are much smaller,

[00:48:17] Andrew: large.

[00:48:18] Emily: Those are very big. The 400 milligram

[00:48:21] Andrew: capsules.

[00:48:22] Emily: Um, yeah. Yeah. Mine are 50 and it’s probably something completely different, but like it’s different. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you know, you know all about mine. Um, I don’t know. I mean, I’m fine talking about that and being a S if it, if it helps anybody for me to like, talk about that and be a spokesperson about that, that’s awesome.

[00:48:42] Happy to do it, but I don’t really want people to, uh, say, you know, I don’t know. I feel conflicted. I feel conflicted about that. There’s other things that are more private that friends know about me, that I definitely wouldn’t want to be defined by, um, like that I’m

[00:49:02] Andrew: I don’t blame you there.

[00:49:03] Emily: Hey, I love it. I love you all. Ha yo. Um,

[00:49:09] Andrew: I was born, so

[00:49:11] Emily: I don’t even know where you were born.

[00:49:17] Fine,

[00:49:18] Andrew: fine, fine. Bellevue,

[00:49:22] Emily: Nebraska. Oh,

[00:49:29] Andrew: yeah. We talked about w Washington Bellevue, Nebraska.

[00:49:34] Emily: That’d be like, wow. Then you should have more family here. I would think.

[00:49:38] Andrew: No, no.

[00:49:41] Emily: Wow.

[00:49:43] Andrew: I born in Nebraska and therefore I have an obligation to eat lot of steak potatoes and corn.

[00:49:49] Emily: So say corn, I feel like, are they, this is the Huskers

[00:49:53] Andrew: Cornhuskers yep.

[00:49:54] Emily: You know, I prefer husk Husker du personally, but

[00:50:00] Andrew: yep.

[00:50:02] Emily: Corn’s fine too, I guess.

[00:50:05] Andrew: Yeah. I mean, new metals definitely nostalgic.

[00:50:15] Emily: Yep. I had a friend whose last name was corn, and once we got our pictures taken at some local event and the person wants to know what our names were and she said, Corn, not like the vegetable, like the shitty man.

[00:50:30] I love that woman.

[00:50:31] Andrew: I, I agree with everything that I agree with the metal band part, not necessarily the rest of that, that

[00:50:38] Emily: the shitty part. I don’t worry. You can’t you agree that they’re a metal band?

[00:50:43] Andrew: I agree that they are a they’re within the family, larger family of metal.

[00:50:49] Emily: Oh wow. You need to get out more.

[00:50:54] Andrew: I mean, that’s been well-established

[00:50:58] Emily: yeah. I mean, you also, you also thought that no, but big thief wasn’t a rock song. So I just don’t know if I trust your genre marking.

[00:51:05] Andrew: Sure. I wouldn’t trust my genre marking either. I mean, let’s be honest. Um, yeah, my sister and I found out, um, that I was, that I’m a former homeschooler and she, well.

[00:51:18] That explains so much. And like,

[00:51:21] Emily: no, Ryan Burke was a homeschooler too.

[00:51:26] Andrew: That, that doesn’t surprise me, actually, that legitimately doesn’t surprise me.

[00:51:31] Emily: I just feel like

[00:51:32] Andrew: not in a bad way, because I feel like I have to make that. I have to clarify that. And anytime like the word homeschooler comes out cause like homeschool or high five, uh,

[00:51:42] Emily: I think that there’s two positive things about homeschoolers that are stereotypes based on my experience, uh, unique senses of humor and, uh, ability to entertain themselves.

[00:51:57] And I think Ryan Berg, deadly has an extremely like unique sense of humor that I feel like is very indicative. Now they ugly odds, inner social, personal skills, depending on how long they were homeschooled. It’s another, I know that’s a stereotype, but also homeschool or is there some of the smartest people I’ve ever met?

[00:52:18] Sure. Yeah. The ones who were like driven to be studious somewhere, not driven. Some people just aren’t driven. It’s the saddest thing in the world to me, is he somebody with talent? Who’s not driven. The number of people in like the songwriting classes I took in college who were fantastic songwriters and then were too lazy to like ever do literally anything.

[00:52:42] And so a lot of it was laziness. Some of them just like had some bad shakes, but some of them just were like, really thought they could like make it just on talent. And didn’t realize that there’s work, there’s work involved. And you just like write beautiful songs to yourself in your basement and then never show them to anybody.

[00:53:02] It’s a work,

[00:53:03] Andrew: right? Well, and there’s the flip side of that scale too, in terms of like incredibly talented people are incredibly untalented. People that are, are, are nonetheless successful. Like I can’t imagine being a really terrible boxer and then getting to box one of the best boxers to ever box in the room.

[00:53:22] Can you

[00:53:23] Emily: say, can you say Logan, Paul is definitely a terrible boxer because he went all eight and

[00:53:30] Andrew: me an exhibition match. Do you see where he got knocked out in Floyd Mayweather held him for Ogden for a second until he came back to and prompt them

[00:53:38] Emily: back up? I didn’t say that, but he,

[00:53:44] listen, I thought he was going to die

[00:53:48] Andrew: aloud. I don’t think, I think Floyd was told. Yeah, don’t kill the kid. Like,

[00:53:53] Emily: yeah, I thought he was going listen to Andrew. I thought he was going to die.

[00:54:01] Andrew: I didn’t think he was going to die. I think it was all hyped up. Like I was reading. So Floyd Mayweather’s comments in the weeks leading up and he’s like, guys, this is literally just for show, it’s a show match chill, but we’re not actually going to fight.

[00:54:14] I’m not allowed to knock the guy out. And I don’t know if he said that other part, but it’s kind of implied. Um, Hey, it was with the point being is like, imagine being like very mediocre, what you do and getting paid out more than some of the best who have ever done what you’ve done.

[00:54:29] Emily: I mean, yeah. It takes a lot of talent to hit your wife.

[00:54:32] Um, oh,

[00:54:34] Andrew: and which other whole player are we talking about now?

[00:54:36] Emily: Or, or which boxer are we talking about? Andrew?

[00:54:42] Andrew: I was watching a standup comedian on YouTube earlier, was getting some clerical wa work knocked out at the day job and they made a comment about, um, Someone preventing some domestic abuse from happening and then saying that’s more than the NFL has ever done. I’m like, oh, there it is.

[00:55:07] Emily: Yeah. Floyd Mayweather beat the mother of his children, but

[00:55:13] Andrew: I actually didn’t know that that’s horrifying.

[00:55:16] Emily: He’s been convicted of domestic abuse charges three times. He pled guilty to, um, battery against the mother of one of his children in 2002 and received a suspended sentence.

[00:55:29] Andrew: That is again, I’m going to say it. That’s horrifying. Not a fan, not a fan,

[00:55:34] Emily: not a fan, not a fan at all. Um, what else? Yeah.

[00:55:39] Andrew: Moving like we

[00:55:41] Emily: can’t so far off topic and Paul Mike.

[00:55:43] Okay. But at the same time, Logan, Paul might not be a great guitarist, but he was off I’m afraid. Boxer boxer, but he’s obviously good at something that he does. Like, if you can get to the point where that’s even an option, like Joe Schmo, can’t walk up to like Floyd Mayweather and be like, I want to box you.

[00:56:04] No, no, no. You’re that guy’s been a boxing gym for 10 years and is rip like, absolutely not. There are some great boxers who can’t get a match against a guy like it’s, I don’t know. It’s like, it’s like looking at me and saying, well, she’s not a great guitarist, but yet she. Gets guitars. Well, to demo

[00:56:27] Andrew: it was, it felt like that joke was low-hanging fruit to talk about the reverse of talented people with no work ethic, but I guess I’m wrong.

[00:56:37] Emily: I mean, there are, there are people who find success, um, that maybe people feel like it’s not deserved and maybe sometimes it’s not deserved. I feel like usually the success is still a symptom or an indication of some other abilities. And that might just be interpersonal abilities. Networking

[00:56:58] Andrew: is legitimately very valuable.

[00:57:01] Emily: Yeah. And some people may not be the best singer, but if they write like listen to Williams, Bob Dylan, not good singers, but nominal songwriters and their careers are as singers, you know? They’re so, I mean, it’s. I, I don’t know. I feel like most of the time, if somebody is actually successful, there’s at least one thing that they’re good at.

[00:57:26] And that one good thing is often their ability to like connect and resonate with people except for Armie hammer. Uh, because that guy just was very rich and people kept trying to make army happen and nobody liked army enough, but he liked even people.

[00:57:47] Okay. Yeah. I’m sorry. I’m sorry to have to go from cannibalism to process.

[00:57:52] Andrew: Um, I mean, we, we, I brought up the Kool-Aid incident the other week and you made fun of me for it. So I think we’re breathing

[00:58:00] the

[00:58:00] Emily: Kool-Aid or the flavor

[00:58:01] Andrew: aid. I said the cool, I made a joke about the Colt with a Kool-Aid and you know,

[00:58:07] Emily: I’m sound and it wasn’t Kool-Aid it was flavor aid

[00:58:14] and they, most of the people did not want to take it.

[00:58:16] Andrew: No, I think it’s, I, I admittedly think it’s a very tragic and I say that like, anyone would be surprised. Uh, yeah. All right. So now we’ve managed to hit all of the terrible things, um, that let’s bring back to pride, which isn’t terrible because pride is great.

[00:58:35] Okay.

[00:58:35] Emily: It’s beautiful and wonderful. And started with a riot.

[00:58:39] Andrew: It did Stonewall

[00:58:42] Emily: Stonewall, right?

[00:58:44] Andrew: Believe it or not. You want to know where I learned about Stonewall.

[00:58:49] Emily: Was it through a podcast called you’re wrong about Nope. Was it through the whitewash movie that came out that everyone complained about how whitewashed it was?

[00:58:59] Nope.

[00:59:03] What are the metal song?

[00:59:05] Andrew: No internal event at Microsoft

[00:59:08] Emily: this

[00:59:08] Andrew: year? No, it was years ago. Uh, when I first started at my first job in the Microsoft environment, um, was working as a camera operator for corporate events. Um, and yeah, I remember just sitting the back of the room and I’m listening to them. They were giving, uh, like an internal meeting and talking about how important this event in history was, and kind of contextualizing some of this.

[00:59:31] And I remember watching, like, how have I never in my life heard about this, this is

[00:59:38] Emily: same reason you haven’t heard about the Tulsa massacre straight white people. Didn’t, don’t include in the history books. Um, I mean, admittedly, I don’t think I knew about it until Watchmen on HBO.

[00:59:57] Andrew: Yeah. I’ve heard that a lot of people watch that show and like, wait a minute, what

[01:00:03] Emily: I was shocked.

[01:00:04] Cause I saw a tweet that someone couldn’t believe that that was real and not made up for, for the show, the show. Right? So obviously that worked to spread awareness. So if nothing else, the stranger than fiction, because it happens in the first step, like the first minutes of the first episode is like an immediate thing that you, you see.

[01:00:26] So it’s really interesting. Um, how has, and that just shows how, how effective it is when you have, you know, people who have learned about this kind of thing, their whole lives and it’s part of their history. So I, it’s good to have a diverse people, creating art and creating things because then you get more experiences.

[01:00:47] You get to learn a lot more. I mean, you literally couldn’t imagine American music. Black composers and not just jazz. I’m like clot black, classical composers and novelist. Like there’s, there’s no way to separate American history from black history in terms of music, especially. That’s why I have a shit ton of stickers that say American music is black music because it is the truth.

[01:01:18] Yeah. I’m sorry. I think I’m making up for black history month and I guess not doing a good job with that, but yeah,

[01:01:31] Andrew: we should have talked about sooner, but we’re here. We’re, we’re here where we’re at and now coming back around, I think, well, I’m not going to make excuses. Uh, that’s not, um,

[01:01:53] For running into time. And so I’ve got some follow-up questions, um, for who, for you. So follow up. So we started off by reading the post by, by cower, uh, that Doug wrote. And the first thing you talked about was, uh, so you pointed out two things. The first one was,

[01:02:16] Emily: are you making me recite the thing or are you going to remember what I said?

[01:02:20] I

[01:02:21] Andrew: was going to ask you to recite the thing that you said, because you said it, and I didn’t want to take credit for what you said.

[01:02:26] Emily: I actually kind of appreciate that. Um, but that, uh, we love you last month and we’d love you next month.

[01:02:32] Andrew: And the second thing you said that we haven’t talked about

[01:02:34] Emily: yet, our flag, isn’t yours to use for marketing.

[01:02:38] Yeah. I mean that, one’s just pretty straightforward. And then I looked at the Instagram and I just don’t see a ton of music brands doing that. I think it’s very, very common for general consumer products. And, uh, especially like party products, let’s be honest, like booze. Sure. Um, yeah, so I’m actually kind of happy to see that, that there aren’t a ton of guitar brands doing this weird co-opting of someone else’s identity and frankly struggles and triumph over those struggles, especially.

[01:03:15] Andrew: So what can brands be doing and what should consumers be looking out for in brands if they’re wanting to spend their money conscientiously this month and or other months?

[01:03:29] Emily: I think the number one thing that brands can do is elevate these voices. No matter what it is, no matter what month of the year it is, uh, but doing what they can to make sure that they have a diverse workforce, diverse leadership, leadership, uh, music brands, having diverse artists and.

[01:03:49] Creators, uh, both behind and in front of what they do. I think both, both is pretty important. Um, and I think that consumers can, you know, if they have the choice between two things, they have the choice between getting Chick-fil-A and getting the burger king fried chicken sandwich where they’re donating part of the proceeds to LGBT Q plus, I didn’t know, burger king syndrome.

[01:04:19] That that was just announced today. And I don’t know if it was fake, so I’m sorry if I made that up, it’s still, how about this? Chick-fil-A go somewhere else for your fried chicken. Go to Popeye’s. I heard there

[01:04:30] Andrew: great. Popeye’s has an objectively better fried chicken sandwich.

[01:04:35] Emily: Yeah, well they have objectively better fried chicken.

[01:04:38] Um,

[01:04:43] Yeah. A Chick-fil-A was served on my college campus. My Christian college campus shot. Yep. It was okay.

[01:04:51] Andrew: Yeah. We had a, my freshman year of my undergrad experience over right. The end of my first semester, they opened up a Chick-fil-A right across the street. And I ate there all the time. When

[01:05:01] Emily: I, when I had it never had a Chick-fil-A sandwich, I wasn’t smashed in a little like foil bag to the point where the bun was like, not really,

[01:05:11] Andrew: I’ve never had that problem.

[01:05:12] Uh, yeah. It holds it

[01:05:14] Emily: in a style. Mine were actually brought in from a Chick-fil-A and put into like a cooler or something. Oh yeah,

[01:05:20] Andrew: no, yeah. Sorry. If you get the, like the catered version of Chick-fil-A where it’s just like the chicken and the bunny and a couple of pickles. Uh, yeah, those are always smashed, but now it’s going to be smashed

[01:05:32] Emily: to

[01:05:33] Andrew: a no, it’s got an established chick memory for me.

[01:05:38] And the reason why I’m saying this is. To illustrate this. Okay. To agree that the food is okay itself. If it’s also think there’s probably better things, we could be doing Mac so better ways that we could be spending our money

[01:05:55] Emily: and just spend, I think it’s important to be a little bit conscious, conscientious when you do your shopping.

[01:06:04] Obviously like there, there are things in this world that are, that are difficult to avoid. It’s difficult to avoid, uh, questions about, uh, Apple’s labor practices when the iPhone is still the prominent smartphone, you know, it’s but, but where I can make the choice, I’m going to try to always make the right choice, which is why I’m donating like two and a half times what I paid for that stupid Dan electro pedal to the Trevor project.

[01:06:37] And then I’m going to tell people about. Dan electro about things that I didn’t know until recently, basically things I didn’t know until I published an article about Dan electric. And I was like, oh my God.

[01:06:48] Andrew: Yeah. Honestly, until you mentioned that earlier this episode, this is completely brand new news to me.

[01:06:55] Emily: Yeah. I think it was a while ago. Um, Eva, I

[01:07:00] Andrew: mean, Lord knows. I’m quoting, I quoted the lacore thing earlier, which was like four years ago and I’m still upset about it. So it’s not like I not like I’m willing to hold brands or choose

[01:07:12] Emily: to more than a year ago. They donated the prop eight, the that’s corporation.

[01:07:22] Yeah.

[01:07:28] Ooh boy. Well that was again, six years ago. So at least it was a while ago. When was property, hopefully. Oh, that was 2012. That was a long time ago.

[01:07:41] Andrew: Probably it was in California, right? Yeah. I remember that. Vaguely. So

[01:07:50] Emily: we talk about property.

[01:07:52] Andrew: I don’t think we have talked

[01:07:53] about

[01:07:53] Emily: prop eight. It was, it was just the Pope opposing same-sex marriage.

[01:07:59] Andrew: That sounds about right.

[01:08:00] Emily: I think that was probably the biggest thing. Yeah. I think it takes time for society to catch up sometimes.

[01:08:09] Andrew: Well, and so I turned 18 in 2012 and so I don’t even remember if I voted on that. I don’t think I did.

[01:08:18] Emily: You couldn’t vote in 2012. It makes me

[01:08:20] Andrew: sad. 18 a couple of days before the, uh, before the 2012 presidential election. And I didn’t,

[01:08:27] Emily: God, you didn’t say 2016 cause I would have just,

[01:08:30] Andrew: no, so yeah, to date myself, literally, um, my birthday is a date of October. I vote in it. Um,

[01:08:42] Emily: well mine was, I believe for the first time in 20, uh, 2007.

[01:08:46] Uh, and then, oh, it was the first presidential I got to vote in

[01:08:50] Andrew: 2016 was the first presidential election I voted in. Um, so

[01:08:56] Emily: yeah. Well you didn’t vote for president 2012. No,

[01:08:59] Andrew: cause I didn’t register. I was a college student. I had classes to go to. I turned and it was like, I would’ve had to go on my birthday to get my belt and time or to get like, get in the system time for me to

[01:09:10] Emily: get it ballad October birthday.

[01:09:12] So end of

[01:09:13] Andrew: October. So it was literally a couple of days, like four days before or something like that.

[01:09:16] Emily: I think in Ohio you could register before you turned 18 and then it would just happen when you turned 18.

[01:09:24] Andrew: No, and honestly, I’m okay with the fact that I didn’t vote that time. Um, and I, as where I’m at now, I pro I don’t agree with what I would have voted for back then on the presidential election, as well as the, uh, uh, other things.

[01:09:41] Honestly, I am not sure I would have voted the same way that I would have voted for right now in profit. I have changed a lot as a human,

[01:09:50] Emily: I think that when a certain amount of time passes and you haven’t seen anything else just bad, or what company. I don’t know, like approach with caution. Sure.

[01:10:01] Definitely

[01:10:01] Andrew: approach with caution 100%.

[01:10:03] Emily: Yeah. Definitely approach with caution. Um, and Andrew, like, as you, like, people do grow, people grow, like I’ve had friends grow the other way, but, um, um, yeah, I mean, it was awkward and it was unpleasant, frankly. Like I’m, I’m more, I’m more mourn for worn it a lot and as much as anything I’ve ever worn in my life, but,

[01:10:30] but, um, but yeah, people grow opinions, change. I mean, I’ve had some stupid opinions. I’m sure I’ve just parroted from some dummy in school or something. Like you hear things and you like, I like the, I like the cut of that jib and, uh, you take it and you just repeat it and you don’t really give it much thought.

[01:10:52] And I think that’s kind of one of the more dangerous. Things we can do. I think there’s not shame and taking a step back from beliefs or if you hear something and you think that sounds kind of nice. I maybe agree with that digging in a little bit deeper, pulling back layers of the onion before you get too invested.

[01:11:11] Because I think that even with our belief systems, we get, we suffer a little bit from the sunk cost fallacy or that we get too far into and that’s, and that’s what happens with like Colt. Is that, that gets you in little by little, by little and before you know it you’re in too far deep. Cause it’s a little, it’s just giving a little bit more until, until now you can’t talk to your family because they are, um, you have to shun the non-believers shun,

[01:11:40] Andrew: the

[01:11:40] Emily: non-believer

[01:11:45] mean to

[01:11:45] Andrew: candy mountain chart. Um, it

[01:11:49] Emily: didn’t say anything. That’s our favorite part. Do you hear them, Charlie? They didn’t say anything.

[01:11:59] Andrew: Gotcha. CLIA Florida. So I think I agree. I agree that there. I agree, but I’m going to caveat this with a reminder that I am a sunset white man, and I’m not necessarily. Best person to go to for a definitive perspective on this.

[01:12:16] But I would like to think that there is room for, and that there should be room for a redemption arc for what, for a broad range of posts for people to come around. And I would like to think that for a couple of reasons, one, because I am that person, I would be terrified for things even as recent as 2015, uh, things like that say that out

[01:12:37] Emily: loud, people are going to start cruising your Twitter,

[01:12:40] Andrew: but I didn’t tweet.

[01:12:42] I didn’t have, I mean, I had a Twitter didn’t really tweet then. Um, but things that I’ve said in a classroom, things that I’ve said to personal friends and things that I’ve said, I would be terrified to think that I would be held to that standard now because I’m not, I don’t, I have less of a, I’m not that person now.

[01:13:04] And more of a, I have learned more. I have more context. I have understanding I’ve. The empathy that I’ve, that I had back then has been given more context for me to then build that out in a positive direction and less of an ignorant direction.

[01:13:21] Emily: Yeah, no, I, I think that what has to come with that as a little bit of, uh, um, what’s the word?

[01:13:32] I don’t know, like what have you done? What do you do to make things right? Especially if you explicitly heard a person and namely, if you explicitly hurt a person in a malicious kind of way, I think that’s what kind of gets lost. And I, I, I think a lot about, um, what people. No, I don’t want to get into that, man.

[01:13:54] We it’s, we are an hour and 15 and I’m sorry, I’m sorry. I’m sorry for the huge, T’s just, you know, just

[01:14:01] Andrew: listen.

[01:14:02] Emily: Yeah. Listen to this episode of let’s do the episode of you’re wrong about, about cancel culture. And that’s kind of, what’s turning in my brain today, which is another reason I don’t want to repeat it because I just heard it today.

[01:14:15] I need to kind of like let it summer,

[01:14:21] but I think we should call it a night. Cause it’s kinda late.

[01:14:24] Andrew: I think calling it a night side of the bed idea, it’s definitely approaching my bedtime.

[01:14:29] Emily: Yeah. And I’ve got it right. Just to put a little perspective in it for you. I’ve been literally working since eight o’clock so it’s coming up on about 14 for me.

[01:14:43] So yeah, if anybody’s wondering why I’m so tired.

[01:14:49] Andrew: 14 I’m coming up on 12 because yeah. Yeah, yeah. Similar reasons

[01:14:56] Emily: everyone out there. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. And thanks for understanding until next time. My name is Emily and my

[01:15:03] Andrew: name is

[01:15:03] Emily: Andrew goodbye. I forgot to show the bye.