Get Offset Episode 172: The Get Offset Experience

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 [00:00:00] Emily: Oh volume.

[00:00:16] welcome to the get offset podcast. My name is Emily. My name is Andrew and only one of us is maybe feeling a little worse. And it’s the listener’s job to decide who though

[00:00:28] Andrew: it’s not going to be hard to figure it out.

[00:00:32] Emily: Usually it’s me. So

[00:00:36] Andrew: my turn, I suppose,

[00:00:40] Emily: I suppose so. Thanks for noticing. Thanks. Thanks for noticing. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I’ll be

[00:00:50] Andrew: all right. Yeah. Uh, I I’ve.

[00:00:56] Emily: Yeah, we’ve all been there.

[00:00:58] Andrew: Lessons learned it. It groany does not count. Isn’t wondering on its own.

[00:01:02] Emily: No, that’s a lot of alcohol. Neither does a French 75, which is what I had last night. I was celebrating. We, um, hired a professional organizer. Yeah. Which, you know, there are services in your life that you can hire that you don’t think about.

[00:01:21] And there are a lot cheaper than you think that they’re going to be in a professional organizer. Let me tell you is one of them. Wow. This person came in, reorganize our kitchen. Help us get rid of a bunch of things, helped us make sense of the rest of it. And now we have like a pantry now things are in places that make sense.

[00:01:47] And, um, we have counter space. Nice. It’s kind of like phenomenal and just like, like the little things, like, you know, you don’t use the espresso machine, like how it easiest for us. Never. Okay. Do you want to put it away? Yes. Why aren’t you putting it away? Because there’s no space. Let’s make space for it.

[00:02:16] Okay. Let’s do it. It was great. And then they hauled away a bunch of stuff to give away on buy nothing groups. Nice.

[00:02:25] Andrew: Very cool. Very cool. Yeah. I feel like, uh, looking behind me, I probably keep one of those to help me finish up my.

[00:02:33] Emily: Yeah, we’re going to definitely bring them back. Um, because there’s, there’s more stuff like, uh, yeah, we’re gonna we’re we’re going to hire them again.

[00:02:47] I would highly recommend this person. So I’ll, I’ll, I’ll share the deeds with

[00:02:52] you

[00:02:54] Andrew: because I’m approaching. I’ve got. Nine months into this office and I still haven’t finished on backing into it.

[00:03:05] Emily: Yeah. It’s like the thing is like, when you move, like we move into this place four years ago. Sometimes you just like, I just got to put stuff away.

[00:03:15] Yeah, because sometimes you move, you’re busy and unless you take vacation around moving, which not everybody has the luxury to do, we didn’t, um, you just put things away where you can and that’s that. And then you never take the time because you don’t have the time to go and like fix it. Yeah. So this person came and in four hours they transformed.

[00:03:40] A space that had been somewhat usable into something that made us feel like a weight had been lifted. Nice.

[00:03:49] Andrew: Yeah. That’s great. No, you know, sometimes life is about the small things and speaking of small things, look how tiny this patch cable.

[00:03:59] Emily: It is nice. Yeah. Is that the ones from Canada, these are

[00:04:05] Andrew: the ones from Canada.

[00:04:06] Honestly. I don’t even remember the tour year design there. It says on the cable.

[00:04:11] Emily: Um, though they sponsor 60 cycle. Hum. Probably they should sponsor us

[00:04:16] Andrew: probably. Yeah, this isn’t sponsored. I, I use my own money for this, but if they want to sponsor me, I like these enough. I want more love to

[00:04:25] hear

[00:04:26] Emily: tiny. That’s so small and normal.

[00:04:29] I remember when pancake cables were like, you couldn’t do. Yeah, but they weren’t really, because then you couldn’t use them with certain stereo pedals because there would be too close together. Yeah. We’ve come a long way. Friends. Like someday, like what’s the meme where it’s like, okay, grandma lets get you to bed back in my day.

[00:04:55] You couldn’t fit two pancake patches next to his shoulder and a stereo on a stereo paddleboard. Okay. Grandma lets get you to bed

[00:05:05] Andrew: in my day, the internet went and bought free. Could get online.

[00:05:12] Emily: Are you even old enough to have experienced that? Back in my day, I couldn’t use the internet if my mom was working and she worked from home.

[00:05:27] So I couldn’t use the internet. Yeah. We did have two phone lines because my mom worked from home. But if she was, um, so she would download her email, uh, for a while so that I could like get on internet for an hour and then she would boot me off or something like that in the summer. Yeah.

[00:05:48] Andrew: Oh, what a time to

[00:05:49] Emily: be alive. Yeah. Good times. Yeah. Kids these days don’t know how good they’ve got at what they’re they’re modeling out. Yeah.

[00:06:02] Andrew: Well, these are ridiculously tiny patch cables and, uh, I wanted, I want to do something with them.

[00:06:12] Emily: So, yeah, that’s the plan should make a puddle board

[00:06:14] Andrew: with them.

[00:06:15] Should probably I’m staring at a board that needs cables right now. I just need to sit down with, for an half hour. Okay.

[00:06:24] Emily: Yeah, sorry that for some reason, I was just thinking about like, if I had the organizer come into my office and like, look at my things, cause we were in the kitchen and they would turn around, they’d be like, what is this?

[00:06:37] Like a lot just to like, kind of understand like where something would go, like not in a judgy way. Sure. And it would be like, And I thought like the funniest one to me was that’s a cake tab. That’s a cake Tapper. And I don’t know why that was the funniest one to me. Like she was like, do you need this? As like, if we never want to have to rent one,

[00:07:05] Andrew: I just ran one.

[00:07:08] But I mean, if you’ve already got it,

[00:07:10] Emily: if you already got it, why, why would you do that? Uh, there’s like a pasta measuring thing. I was having trouble explaining. I have this thing that like peel like a, it takes herbs off of the stem really quickly. And they were like, what is this? I was like having, I was like really struggling to explain what that was.

[00:07:30] I’m like, trust me. It’s like the best. It’s the best. Like, I feel I’m having. Yeah, it’s great. It’s great. What are some other things? It was just, it was really funny because oh yeah. Like the bear claws for the barbecue, like pretty much anything barbecue related. Like this was a very old milk person. So it was funny, like anything barbecue related.

[00:07:55] They were like, what is this? I go that’s for this, for barbecue.

[00:07:59] Andrew: Reading the carcass of a dead animal,

[00:08:05] Emily: everything. All right.

[00:08:08] Andrew: Thanks. So I assume that was picked up.

[00:08:12] Emily: Yeah. Oh yeah,

[00:08:14] Andrew: no, I’m sure it’s fine. Has got it.

[00:08:19] Emily: So I’m imagining them coming into my office and like holding up anything and being like, what is this? And how is it different from the other ones that look exactly like

[00:08:30] Andrew: it don’t you already have a. Wait, I thought this was an overt. That was an overdrive pedal. This is an overdrive,

[00:08:36] Emily: you said, but you said that was, but this is a cable, but how is it different from this cable?

[00:08:43] How many boost

[00:08:44] Andrew: pedals does one really need?

[00:08:47] Emily: This is a balanced cable. This is unbalanced, but why would you? I don’t, but the unbalanced sounds better. Wouldn’t you just want to keep this one? Why do you know that is,

[00:08:59] Andrew: this is a balance cable. Okay. I say cable on my

[00:09:04] Emily: finger, but if you can only play one instrument at a time, why do you need 10 instrument cables

[00:09:13] Andrew: for one instrument at a time? Why do you have 10 instruments?

[00:09:23] Well, anyways, moving on to thought

[00:09:25] Emily: out, I’m hoping not talking about. We’re not talking about hopes. We’re not talking about football. We’re not talking about, so this is dropping on Tuesday. So we obviously, we don’t know who’s playing on Superbowl yet. Not yet. And we’re not gonna, I’m either gonna, I don’t

[00:09:46] Andrew: want, I mean, I know who you want to be in the Superbowl.

[00:09:49] Emily: I have anxiety.

[00:09:51] Andrew: Understandably. So it’s a big deal.

[00:09:55] Emily: So people are either send me like. Condolences or like excitement. I don’t know.

[00:10:12] I don’t know. I don’t want to talk about football, but do you want to see in the Superbowl? I guess I

[00:10:17] Andrew: want Rams bangles. That’s what I want.

[00:10:23] Emily: I love bangles.

[00:10:26] Andrew: I also kind of want. So we haven’t heard anything official about Brady’s retirement yet. It’s just like a whole bunch of like leaks sources, uh, trying to think is hilarious.

[00:10:37] Cause they did like last year, everyone’s like Russell, Wilson’s leaving the Seahawks, Molly Leafs leak sources, and then he’s like, no. So I kind of want Brady to be like, no dog. I’m, I’m going to play another year, but then I want them to have the absolute worst year of his career and for the, all the headlines.

[00:10:55] So the next year to be like, he, he should have just retired. We try to help him out.

[00:11:02] Emily: I don’t know. Yeah. I mean, do you want to go out on top or do you want, it’s like the Neil young quote, it’s better to burn out than say no, it’s better. It’s better to burn out than fade away. Yeah. So is that true though?

[00:11:24] It’s just, it’s just a song lyric. It doesn’t make it true. Y’all

[00:11:28] Andrew: does that make it true? Just no, just to perspective, but I, uh, yeah, I, I’m not, I don’t believe he’s actually going to retire. I think he’s, I think he’s trolling the world having too much fun with it.

[00:11:43] Emily: He does that a lot. Yep.

[00:11:45] Andrew: So, but I haven’t seen any official anything on it yet.

[00:11:49] So, uh, we’ll probably have an answer by the time this drop. So no, maybe I’m right. Maybe I’m wrong.

[00:11:58] Emily: Yeah. Well, my cat is sniffing. Uh, are you upset about that? And for some reason, yeah, I’m upset about it too.

[00:12:10] Andrew: We gonna have to talk about it, but

[00:12:13] Emily: the amp, I mean, I, I, it’s not, it’s not the company’s fault and I don’t want to throw anybody under the bus, but just like I got something and it got damage, it was damaged at some point. And, um, as I was waiting a really long time for it, so kinda bummed about it. Yeah.

[00:12:36] But basically. It doesn’t look like it was damaged in transit is what bums me out. But I also don’t, I, it also didn’t come straight from the factory. Right, right. It was bit a demo unit. So sometimes those, you know, ended up a little worse for wear or they get dirty. They get typic like pedals, get like scuffs on the bottom or whatever this looks like it is burn marks.

[00:13:04] I mean, it looks like sparks flew at it kind of,

[00:13:09] Andrew: if you see a, an ample demo with sparklers in it, then,

[00:13:15] Emily: uh, I mean, to be clear, I think the material or the front might be a little bit more prone to

[00:13:24] Andrew: like where terror damage, maybe.

[00:13:31] Emily: I mean to, did

[00:13:32] Andrew: he see the,

[00:13:35] Emily: it looks like it got kicked, dude. Are there like marker. There’s like marker marks on the side of it.

[00:13:44] Andrew: You see, there is a way of hosting the, in the gear swap yesterday. So I was trying to sell off, like monitor stands.

[00:13:55] Emily: 20 bucks for two, like cat trees. If that had been in, in the similar group that I’m an admin of.

[00:14:05] I would’ve taken it down. I

[00:14:08] Andrew: liked that. It’s pretty funny.

[00:14:10] Emily: I’m like, you’re not charging money for these are, you’re not charging money for these.

[00:14:19] The acoustic or the like, so just for, for viewers and listeners, someone in a local gear swap is selling to quote, monitor stands. They’re actually just the, the, the column cat trees that have been already scratched to shit by a cat, two of them. I’m sure they make great monitor stands to be clear.

[00:14:41] Andrew: Yeah. I mean, yeah,

[00:14:45] Emily: it seems borderline precarious, but 20 bucks

[00:14:55] Andrew: cat

[00:14:55] Emily: trees, that’s a buy nothing kind of thing.

[00:14:58] I got my cat tree on by nothing.

[00:15:01] Andrew: Cat trees and better condition on buy nothing.

[00:15:04] Emily: Yeah. Oh man. I wonder, know what kind of cat he has? Those things were fucked up. God damn I, that guy was just tear through those cat trees because that cat did a number on this thing. Cougar the

[00:15:20] Andrew: car you got to learn to live with the fear.

[00:15:24] Emily: So, so Ricky, Bobby, oh my God. I guy’s got a Cougar. No, that’s not what we meant. It’s not what I meant when I said you got to go find yourself a Cougar boy. When I said, when I said that I met an older woman, not an actual Cougar.

[00:15:44] Andrew: Uh, that reminds you, you know, as I’ve settled into, you know, being sued a local, there’s a, I want to start like, uh, inside, like local terminology term.

[00:15:57] I want to start calling you just one. Uh, I want to start calling mill Creek MILF Creek and just see if catches on, because I think it would be hilarious.

[00:16:12] Emily: Millcreek mill Creek mill Creek mill Creek Wolf Creek. North Creek feels a little harder to say Millcreek Wolf Creek, Oak Creek mouth Creek. I think it works well if Creek,

[00:16:29] Andrew: but it’s just like as far enough out there, that’s just all suburb valleys

[00:16:36] families. Yeah. No

[00:16:38] Emily: else checks out. Yep.

[00:16:41] Andrew: So, uh, I observed a stake in this game. I just think it would be funny. So there’s my petition. Um, so that’s one petition. My other petition is I would like to make protagonists award this year,

[00:17:01] Emily: protagonist like to make yourself the protagonists, like to do something

[00:17:05] Andrew: like protagonist ish. Yeah. Instead of like, cause you got like antagonize, that’s a word we’ll know it’s off of antagonist, but there isn’t a word for protagonists. So yeah.

[00:17:24] Emily: What is the opposite of antagonize? Is it protagonist? Cause I don’t think that’s right. I want to Google that. And tag and, uh, well, the antagonist in a book is like, the bad is like, kind of,

[00:17:43] Andrew: and the protagonist is the good guy, hashtag main character energy, but,

[00:17:51] Emily: but antagonize is to cause someone to be hostile.

[00:17:56] Yeah. So let’s see similar more stuff. Uh, th th the let’s go to the dictionary and see if there’s already, and I’m not saying

[00:18:16] normally they have opposites in here pro tag, and

[00:18:22] Andrew: I’m sure my, uh, my high school

[00:18:25] Emily: blog. What does protagonists? It’s an online creative. Protagonists would simply mean a positive or helpful act that furthers one’s arduous efforts towards a goal, but mostly it’s not really a thing.

[00:18:44] Andrew: Well, there we go. My high school a teacher would be so proud.

[00:18:50] Emily: See, when you said that, I thought you meant like, you know how people. Like, have you heard of, like, I think it’s like first person syndrome or people think or like main character syndrome. Yeah. I thought you were saying that like a pro like protagonist would be to like have a Mo oh shit. Have a moment of first person syndrome or like do something that would be very first person syndrome me.

[00:19:18] That’s kind of what I thought you were going for. Oh, good. I did have milk added to my imperfect produce. Yes, I am shopping for groceries.

[00:19:30] Andrew: There we go. There we go. You’re toying around with going to the Fremont farmer’s market. And I and said, got lazy and went to Kroger so

[00:19:41] Emily: well, the Fremont farmer’s market doesn’t have food.

[00:19:44] So

[00:19:45] Andrew: Melvin, Melissa has terribly.

[00:19:49] Emily: It is the Ballard farmer’s market that has food.

[00:19:53] Andrew: That is good to know.

[00:19:55] Emily: Well, they don’t have no food. They just don’t have as much food. Ballard has more food,

[00:19:58] Andrew: not likely get like my veggies for the week.

[00:20:03] Emily: You’ll get some, just not, uh, just as

[00:20:06] Andrew: many they’ve been. Buzzled let us

[00:20:11] Emily: midweek by the way.

[00:20:14] It’s a great word, man. Ah, man, I love that word. Why don’t you get some to baby? And I wonder that they have tomatoes. Do you have tomatoes?

[00:20:30] Andrew: Get some oranges? Like I need vegetables, anything. I’m just going to eat saltines on the couch.

[00:20:35] Emily: Yeah. That’s pretty clutch. To be honest.

[00:20:39] Andrew: I’ve got my sleeve right here.

[00:20:41] Let’s lunch. Got another sleeve.

[00:20:45] Emily: We made a big pot of Mala Gaetani soup. Wow. I

[00:20:49] Andrew: don’t know what that is last too bad. What is it?

[00:20:54] Emily: Do you, do you really want to know on your stomach, on your current stomach? Think so.

[00:20:59] Andrew: Yeah. Thinking about food sounds like effort assessment. Yeah, it it’s, uh, it’s tough realizing that I’m no longer as young as I used to be.

[00:21:15] I have another new thing.

[00:21:18] Emily: Oh, well that’s fine. Instead, awful

[00:21:21] Andrew: transition

[00:21:23] Emily: Neil young, speaking of young. Yeah. I, we weren’t, we’re not going through the, when you were young, fast, which I’m sure a lot of people would, would want to talk about, but I feel like that conversation is kind of old. I think that festival is probably going to happen.

[00:21:35] What do you think when we were young Fest? I

[00:21:36] Andrew: think it’s going to happen. Uh, I just think,

[00:21:40] Emily: I think it’s a bad

[00:21:40] Andrew: idea. I love the lineup. I just think it should. It’s too many bands, too many bands, not enough stages.

[00:21:51] Emily: We don’t know how many stages it is.

[00:21:54] Andrew: I can just tell you right now. It’s not at our stages.

[00:21:56] Emily: Yeah.

[00:21:57] Well, it’s either going to be not enough stages or there’s going to be pretty severe sound bleed between the stages. Depends like just understanding. It’s small. That space is apparently I should say allegedly, they might have rotating stages. So one band will be setting up while the other band is performing and then they’ll just like, rotate it around.

[00:22:17] That’s how

[00:22:18] Andrew: you get stampedes

[00:22:19] Emily: people. It is how you get, we don’t say human stampedes. Remember, let me say something else. But I forget, I

[00:22:29] Andrew: forget what it is.

[00:22:32] Emily: Uh, not so much that, um, but like you do want to encourage movement again, which live nation does know. They know this, that you want to encourage movement and breaks between sets to just, yeah, God they know this.

[00:22:54] They just don’t care. Yeah, they just don’t care. Um, yeah. So my, I do think that they are banking on bands dropping out. That’s my guess, which is

[00:23:07] Andrew: unfortunate,

[00:23:08] Emily: which is so stupid. And for people who are saying, oh, bands didn’t even know they’re playing it. I’m like, they just didn’t know the name of the festival.

[00:23:17] They knew they’re playing. That ban and they didn’t know exactly what it was. That’s a question for their

[00:23:22] Andrew: agent. Yeah. They just didn’t get the full brief before it went live. Uh, which I mean, not great, but not the end of the world. No. I mean, your agent’s job is to book you shows and then you show up and play the show.

[00:23:37] So, I mean,

[00:23:38] Emily: that’s fine. Yeah. Your job isn’t really as a band of a level two.

[00:23:44] Andrew: Promote the show? No, I think a much better alternative, which I wish I could justify going to cost-wise is the email’s not dead cruise, which is like a couple of weeks after, but just a cruise from LA to Sonata with a smaller set of bands.

[00:24:01] But. Going to be. I like the set list and for someone who’s not as young as I used to be the I, if I had to choose between, be on a cruise for a few days and hanging out with the bands and listening to them play or stand all day on my feet.

[00:24:20] Emily: And those look like they have fun. Things is often they have like very specific like genre, karaoke, uh, foods, food and drinks are usually included, um, other activities and stuff during the day.

[00:24:34] And that’s kind of the big thing. It’s like activities and stuff during the day. It’s, uh, you gotta do other stuff during these and like 12 hours, like 140 bands. I think that’s an exaggeration 70 bands. Maybe. I don’t know how many bands there are, but there’s gotta be out. There’s gotta be able to still happening during the day.

[00:24:54] And it just doesn’t seem like that’s the case. I really wasn’t going to talk about that. And I did. Okay.

[00:25:01] Andrew: I’d rather go to the crews. I had tickets on sale the other day. They’re half sold out the day they went live. When I. And I’m sure they’re sold out by now, but like the cheapest ticket, if you want to like two people for like two people, like cheapest ticket was like $900 each.

[00:25:20] Okay.

[00:25:20] Emily: Um, I mean, if that’s your vacation that you doing that year.

[00:25:24] Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense. I just, I am not prepared to spend $1,800 just on the basic tickets for a teeny little room for the few days, plus airfare. And I mean, that’s, that’s realistically, by the time it’s all said and done a three to $4,000 vacation, which not the most expensive included, I, I didn’t catch if that was included in the price, what’s it called?

[00:25:48] Emily: Email’s not dead. You have all those not dead.

[00:25:53] Andrew: Brought to you by Matt catch-all,

[00:25:55] Emily: uh, Cruz experience what’s included four night. Cruise performance is all meals are basic basic beverages. So drink like alcohol is not included.

[00:26:15] The gourmet is not included. Tipping gambling spa, alcohol soda, bottled water, 24 hour room service. You can pay 10 bucks a day if you want that meals and the ports of call. If you want to do those airfare, ground protection, ground transportation, travel protection, pool, and hot tub is included. Youth program is included if you’re bringing kids, which is kind of cool.

[00:26:53] I went on a cruise with my parents and we did, they basically just put me in a youth program.

[00:27:02] Andrew: I’ve never been on a cruise. I’m not entirely sold on it, sounding like fun, but it’s actually pretty fun if I was going to go going on that one sounds like the, I like put me on a cruise with a whole bunch of people that shared common interest.

[00:27:18] Uh, I’d be very extroverted. Really enjoyed.

[00:27:22] Emily: Yeah. So it looks like you have one port of call. That’s the incident you to is I say that and Sonata. Oh, I know that because of the Warren Zevon song.

[00:27:41] So that’s the one port of call. So that’s the one place where you would do, um, like an activity or tour if you really want to do that. So you can just surfing sport, fishing, kayaking, horseback riding, or mountain biking, or you could do a casino, um, or just like pal around and detours station.

[00:28:02] Andrew: I’d probably just eat tacos and start for the day or for the surfing’s get down there.

[00:28:07] Emily: I actually sounds really fun if the whole study did something like that, I would do it

[00:28:12] Andrew: for, for bands that are getting, uh, whose audiences are growing a little bit older. I think that’s, Chinitas, that’s so much better than the, my career’s mostly over casino tour.

[00:28:29] Oh, look, don’t wait. Don’t don’t forget about me. Here’s a Christmas album.

[00:28:36] Emily: Casino casino shows are so weird because until like 10 years ago, Like most of those shows were free. Like people like some, like a lot of the people who went to those shows didn’t pay for them. It was like, given the tickets were given to like high stakes gamblers or just like, as an incentive to people, like act who are currently at the casino to keep them at the casino.

[00:29:00] Uh, so a lot of people who were like in the audience 10 give off, fuck. So then you’d be playing to people who were like, oh, I remember more stay in the time. Oh, yeah. There’s uh, yup. There they are there. They’re also old now, too, so, okay. I guess I’ll go back to the slot machine.

[00:29:20] Andrew: Yep. Exactly.

[00:29:23] Emily: So we should talk about

[00:29:24] Andrew: Neil young.

[00:29:26] Yeah. Not going on a cruise as far

[00:29:29] Emily: as I’m aware. No, no. Cause he, he was basically in retirement dude and uh, Joe Rogan took retirement to just say, fuck Spotify. I love it. Oh my God. Uh, I it’s, it’s been nice. Seeing people finally realize, like I, okay. I am shocked that this is, what’s been getting people to leave Spotify, like, like users,

[00:30:05] but like I left Spotify years ago for title and not because of any moral compass thing. Well kind of because they paid artists more than twice as much. And I guess I’ve just been surprised over the years that people have continued to use Spotify, despite there being other options that cost the same and pay artists more like, obviously people didn’t care because they wanted their, I felt like they just wanted their like annual roundups or whatever, or they were like using it and didn’t want to pay.

[00:30:44] You can pay five bucks to have your, all your playlist transferred to title. But, um, for those who are somehow unaware, Neil young said to Spotify, Neil young, a survivor of childhood polio that almost killed him. And a huge proponent of vaccines said to Spotify. I don’t like how Joe Rogan is spreading dangerous disinformation.

[00:31:08] It’s him or me in Spotify. We’re going to pick the guy that we have already given $10 million, 10 billion. What?

[00:31:18] Andrew: Uh, I don’t remember off the top of my head. I remember it was a big deal.

[00:31:23] Emily: How much money? The Joe Rogan?

[00:31:28] Andrew: Well, Joe Rogan sitting over there, like I ever met him. I barely even know him

[00:31:32] Emily: a hundred million, two years ago.

[00:31:36] Yeah. So two years ago, Spotify gave Joe Rogan a hundred million dollars. They’re obviously going to picture a Rogan. I mean,

[00:31:44] Andrew: yeah. It’s a sunk cost at this point.

[00:31:47] Emily: Yeah. So they’re going with Joe Rogan, which, you know, I don’t know why people are surprised that they went with Joe. I don’t know why anyone would be surprised that they went with Joe Rogan.

[00:31:57] I think that it’s not surprised so much as discipline. Um, the service has started as a music platform. That was like, we’re going to help musicians by ending piracy. It’s just like, fuck you. Fuck musicians consent.

[00:32:14] Andrew: Mainly I see where they’re trying to go. And. And they’re like, well, okay, well we’ve done the music thing, but if we’re going to continue to grow and expand and deliver to our, our investors, we’ve got to tap more content.

[00:32:29] And so getting into podcasts, being a booming market, uh, trying to tap into that in a meaningful way. I think it makes a lot of sense. And so they podcasts, audio books like that kind of stuff, moving into the direct, that direction of audio, audio content to do a more well-rounded, uh, situation like, okay.

[00:32:48] Like I get it. But, uh, the, the problem that they’re, they’re running into. There’s a difference in responsibility for the content that comes with hosting because they’re hosting all of that content of their platform, as opposed to just music where it’s not really as big of it. Like music there’s shirts, controversial stuff comes up to music, but not to the same depth and in type ones are in one’s information.

[00:33:17] Yeah. So Spotify is now being held responsible for the content that it’s hosted. Which is very similar reasons for why we’ve seen Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, D platform, uh, certain

[00:33:32] Emily: this information. Yeah, they don’t want to be responsible for it.

[00:33:38] Andrew: So I don’t think Spotify was entirely prepped for that. And so what we’re seeing now is Spotify in the last week is scrambled and like, ah, well, what actually is our policy?

[00:33:47] And then they’re, they’re hosting internal Q and A’s and spreading out the here’s what our policy is. And then they w based on that policy employees pulled a bunch of Jerome episodes and then the communications, uh, uh, What’s the C-level communications exec. It was like, I don’t know if those really met the criteria guys.

[00:34:06] I don’t think you understood what we meant there. And it’s just, it’s a complete cluster.

[00:34:11] Emily: It’s interesting because people, people, the most common argument is the free speech argument. Right. And free speech of course really only applies to, um, PR uh, prosecutors. By the government. It doesn’t mean that you can say whatever you want without any private, um, consequences.

[00:34:34] It doesn’t mean freedom from any consequences. It doesn’t mean people can say, I don’t want to give you money. It doesn’t mean people could say, I don’t want to listen to you. It doesn’t mean people can say. My platform and it doesn’t mean people can say I’m going to boycott any platform that you’re on.

[00:34:50] That’s exactly what it does say. And this is, you know, what people call, cancel culture a lot is something that, um, has been in existence for. Millennia. This has always kind of been a thing. Uh, this was like letter writing campaigns in the fifties and eighties. And, um, this has been a thing for a very long time, but you know, with the internet is kind of more visible.

[00:35:21] It’s faster. It’s like if you were doing a letter writing campaign, because a TV character got an abortion in the nineties, that was. Sometimes I got on the news, but that was mostly like within your own community and now it’s just more widespread and everybody knows about it. So it’s just, I think there’s a visibility thing.

[00:35:45] And I think there’s kind of, I it’s, it’s surprising to me that both sides can’t see. Well, once I, it seems to be unable to see that they also do this. Like, we both do this. We both try to use our voices to say

[00:36:04] Andrew: the sides are aware. They’re just not going to say that out loud because it’s inconvenient.

[00:36:09] Emily: It is pretty inconvenient to do so, but that’s, that’s part of free status, free speech that is literally free speech.

[00:36:18] So D the thing about de platforming. We’re saying that, oh, I don’t agree with Joe Rogan, but I agree it with his right to say what he’s saying, you can’t, the thing is free. Speech is not absolute. You can’t shout fire in a crowded theater. Free

[00:36:35] Andrew: speech is also not, you can’t equate free speech to, uh, access to platform, to free speech because there’s a huge difference.

[00:36:45] You know, Joe Rogan wants to sit in his home and do talk about it. We’ve talked about whatever he wants to talk about. I’m not going to go into his home and be like misinformation. No, no, no, no.

[00:36:56] Emily: yeah. And so that’s that’s yeah, he can say whatever he wants to whoever he wants, really, but I don’t have to give that platform money and I don’t.

[00:37:09] Andrew: Yeah, I feel bad. Cause I actually just jumped on Spotify premium, like, like a full confession, uh, is the most it’s been on for a bit. And she’s like, well, it’ll only be like another dollar or two to add you. I’m like,

[00:37:21] Emily: title’s pretty cheap, pretty, pretty comparable. At least cost $5 to move your playlists over

[00:37:29] Andrew: my playlists on.

[00:37:31] Emily: Well, then it’s even cheaper,

[00:37:34] Andrew: but I’ve just been listening, but here’s

[00:37:36] Emily: the, one of the other things is that, sorry. Um, apple music has been gaining on Spotify in the United States anyway, and I don’t think Spotify has Spotify, even the biggest, I don’t think Spotify even has the biggest growth in the United States right now.

[00:37:52] What’s the biggest music streaming platform and the United. See Joe Rogan. I can also Google on a podcast. Apple music as of September is the biggest streaming platform in the United States. It’s not even Spotify anymore,

[00:38:16] but I think Spotify is bigger for podcasts now, but not ours with

[00:38:23] Andrew: shocker.

[00:38:25] Emily: Uh,

[00:38:30] Andrew: So let’s see here. Spotify is 345 million subscribers worldwide as of Q4 2020. Oh, this is old. This is last updated almost a year ago. All right. Well, I was just trying to find like daily act like scarier subscriber kind of want to look at like daily active user accounts if that was available. But.

[00:38:53] Emily: Uh, it might be too early to find that publish from Q4 of 2021.

[00:39:01] Here’s one from March 30th, popular streaming services, while obviously it’s going to be YouTube.

[00:39:09] Andrew: No, of course. I mean, there’s going to be ways to like fudge the numbers there. And I’m curious, like at the apple music, if it just comes pre-installed on a, on an iPhone, if that really counts as users.

[00:39:24] Well look at subscribers. Uh, I, I don’t dunno. I don’t know. There’s also

[00:39:31] Emily: Spotify has it. Yeah. Spotify does have the free users. So that is, does make it more important. Um, like I think I still, I still technically have a Spotify account.

[00:39:44] Andrew: Yep. So you probably be in, there is one of.

[00:39:49] Emily: But the thing is I just, I have to have an account so I can take screenshots of stuff.

[00:39:54] When I write about shaming services, which I have to do for work. So like, I don’t have the luxury of being able to delete everything all the time. Um, you know, so Neil young pooled his how his music fooled, which people, some people were surprised because they’re like he sold his catalog. Well, one, he sold half of.

[00:40:17] And to, I guess he still has some pool over what can happen with his music. And, you know,

[00:40:27] Andrew: I mean, just called up his label and said, Hey, are you gonna miss that dollar 27 check every quarter? Or. He was probably

[00:40:33] Emily: getting more. I, I, it’s my understanding that Spotify has tiers of, uh, payout. So like the, the more, uh, listened to you are the higher share, the higher piece of the higher, the bigger pieces of the puzzle.

[00:40:52] Yeah. You get bigger slices. Um, if you’re, if you’re straight more. So I, you know, it’s probably more than. But, you know, not meaningful, probably not as meaningful as other things licensing deals and stuff like that. And then his greatest hits was in the top 10 of iTunes, like the next day. Uh, so I mean, you know, it’s not a bad PR move, uh, and I’m sure Joe Rogan got a fuck ton of lessons.

[00:41:24] Yep. Um, so that’s just exactly what happens. No press is bad press until unless sponsors start bouncing. And I don’t think anything’s going to lead to Joe Rogan sponsors bouncing. Ultimately, I think the only thing that’s going to stop, Joe Rogan really would be de platforming. And I just don’t see that happening unless some extremely major artists, like, I don’t know.

[00:41:52] Unless Taylor swift Adele Beyonce started pulling their music from Spotify. I don’t think Spotify would.

[00:42:02] Andrew: I think this is going to have to be a very difficult lesson for Spotify to learn as a company, just from.

[00:42:14] In terms of responsibility for the content on their platform and having to adapt to that. And I’m sure with the amount that they’ve got S uh, the amount of depth that they’ve got as a company, they’ll, they’ll figure this out pretty quickly. I think this is going to ultimately be a blip on the radar, and they’re gonna bounce back just fine.

[00:42:32] Probably they’ll figure out what their internal policy is. They’ll communicate that with the content, uh, With this, the content creators that they already have deals with, they will include that as part of deals with future content creators. We’ll just put a tighter lid on it. Uh, which I, what, which brings me to my speculation here.

[00:42:53] And I’m not sure it’s actually going to go this way, but I wonder if that’s going to push Joe Rogan and wine to opt out because his whole brand is wanting to be able to talk about what ever he wants to be able to talk about. Right. And that’s kind of the purpose of his content. So. If that is now being walked back by the platform that he signed with his, he can be like, well, then let’s look at what the opt-out clauses are.

[00:43:18] And I can go back to YouTube, YouTube, never deep left.

[00:43:22] Emily: When the museum’s going to YouTube, Steve platforming, a lot of this information,

[00:43:28] Andrew: he might,

[00:43:29] Emily: but they’re doing it now to lots of people. So, so YouTube is YouTube is de platforming people who are spreading this information right now. Twitter is, uh, Facebook is it’s, it’s it’s happening a lot more because people are realizing that there are consequences of just letting people lie.

[00:43:50] Openly. So there’s,

[00:43:53] Andrew: there’s all right. Uh, platforms for, uh, that are being built out for conservative content. Right. And so I don’t think, I don’t think Joe’s going to be out of a platform. My concern is I’m sitting here kind of running through the steps ahead here is if he can’t figure it out with Spotify, then where does he go?

[00:44:16] Cause it’s probably not going to be any of the other big 10. Platform options. And I could see him jumping to an alt-right one that gives a credence network going to be back into a culture war nastiness,

[00:44:29] Emily: but it’s not going to be the same because it’s not going to, I don’t know why we’re, I feel like we’re getting a little bit farther away from the music part of it.

[00:44:37] But the thing about that, that scares me less is it’s going to take fewer. It’s not going to expose people who aren’t seeking it out. Right. So that that’s, that’s, that’s the thing, but, you know, he has such a big audience and if they’re going to follow him over there, that’s not great, but he’s spreading really deep.

[00:44:59] I think he’s there people take the problem is people taking it for things other than infer, just entertainment, because that’s what it is. It’s entertainment. It’s the same as like Tucker Carlson that whenever someone. Whenever he gets sued for disinformation or whatever. Um, the defense is always it’s entertainment and no reasonable person would consider it to be information.

[00:45:29] Yes. But people do. And that’s kind of the same thing. It’s like, this is entertainment for sure. But like people we’re not spreading dangerous disinformation about vaccines. You know, and it, there are things in life that matter, and it’s very heavy and it’s kind of a bummer that it is come to, to this.

[00:45:59] There used to be more checks and balances and. And in what made it through media filters and that’s it. There’s just been, it’s kind of a democratization of content. Now anybody can get a podcast and put it on Spotify. Anyone can put content anywhere on the internet. There’s no fact checkers. There’s no red tape.

[00:46:23] You don’t even have to have a budget, particularly Spotify. Has a, they own a platform called acorns, which is a free podcasting software. And, uh, the way they make money is they drop ads into your podcast. So they actually make money when people make podcasts. Spotify does. So that is like how green Spotify is and podcasts, but it’s also how cheap it is to make a podcast.

[00:46:50] You don’t need anything and you can say whatever you want.

[00:46:55] Andrew: Right. And that’s kind of leading that points to a larger phenomenon of

[00:47:03] Emily: you can live out being a doctor. Do you want to,

[00:47:05] Andrew: I’m not a doctor, but I play one on TV. Uh,

[00:47:10] Emily: I’ve got to say something worse.

[00:47:13] Andrew: Uh, no, there’s a difference between truth and information.

[00:47:18] Information is not necessarily the truth, but as democratization of information, uh, is going to inevitably lead to mistruths being out there. And that’s, maybe you will get every media revolution in the last 500 years when you look at the printing press and now the powers that be, or. But what if they print something that’s not right.

[00:47:40] Uh, yeah. So, I mean, it’s a, it’s a natural cadence for where we’ve been as, as humanity for awhile. Uh, but it’s just fascinating to watch it play out in real time. Uh, it’s such a quick pace.

[00:47:53] Emily: Yeah. And what this means for Spotify is like our other artists, like Joni Mitchell saying, you know, that they. They don’t like the idea of saying I’m supposed to be a music service siting with the podcast, I think.

[00:48:11] And I think that’s kind of what it boils down to. I don’t think it matters so much that it was Joe Rogan. I don’t think it’s helpful that it was Joe Rogan because he is such, you know, a device of figure, um,

[00:48:26] Sucks. I think she didn’t. She off the journey. Mitchell also have Joni Mitchell polio. Johnny Mitchell also had polio.

[00:48:42] Um, yeah. So these are two childhood polio survivor is from before vaccines existed. Like they know how life-changing vaccines can be and then potentially other artists too, like it stinks like Spotify has really become a thing. That’s less about revenue for bands and more about discovery. And that really is the crux of what Spotify is.

[00:49:15] You don’t go on Spotify expecting to make a lot of money, go on there

[00:49:19] Andrew: to is expecting you to get. Exposure

[00:49:24] Emily: you have died of exposure, uh, or polio or of preventable diseases. Um, so like that’s, that’s, that’s the thing for me, that’s like this was supposed to be something that was meant to help artists and now they are kind of, it feels like they’re turning their backs.

[00:49:48] Um, musicians even farther than they had been. And damn that bar was low,

[00:49:57] Andrew: but are we shocked? Let’s be honest. There they’re there for the investors.

[00:50:03] Emily: They’re there for their investors so they can innovate then the main guy, like isn’t he like a, like an arms dealer now? Yeah. Yeah. He’s like, he’s an arms dealer now.

[00:50:17] Andrew: I mean, I’ve only got two of them, so yeah.

[00:50:21] Emily: And he know he likes sells weapons and stuff. Good for him.

[00:50:29] Yeah. Yeah. War. What is a good for making Daniel? Like lots and lots of money. And again, now.

[00:50:40] Uh, uh, I gotta play this harmonica now. Th th th th th th.

[00:50:47] Andrew: No, we continue down that line of conversation much further. We’ll start talking about the geopolitical intricacies of Russia and Ukraine.

[00:50:55] Emily: No, the only other thing I want to say is the guy from blur is so lucky that that saying that Taylor swift doesn’t write her own songs.

[00:51:04] Wasn’t the biggest news story this week. He is so lucky. Because that really skin of a C3 there,

[00:51:14] Andrew: Spotify is like, hold my

[00:51:15] Emily: beer. I got this. Oh my God. Like we got you guy from blur. Can you, oh my God. Just the sheer idiocy of that guy’s statements. Oh God. Did you hear about that? Maybe? And then he, then he apologized saying that his statements were reduced to clickbait.

[00:51:38] Like the guy came back with the transcripts and it was like, my guy said, the guy from blur said, tell us who doesn’t write her own songs. And the journalist was like, yes, she does. And the guy from blur went on, no, she doesn’t write them. She co-writes them. And co-writing his songwriting. And it was just like, dude.

[00:51:58] So. Just, just, just dig yourself. Uh, just admit that you said something completely boneheaded. Don’t try to pass the blame. Just say, ah, just a bitter, bitter old man.

[00:52:16] Andrew: Yeah. But if you muddy things up enough that the, the majority of the people who hear it in the first place, aren’t going to care enough to figure it out.

[00:52:24] They’re just going to say, oh, only am you probably, it’s probably not a big deal.

[00:52:28] Emily: Clickbait, you can’t just call everything clickbait because you fucked up

[00:52:34] Andrew: my free speech.

[00:52:41] Emily: I didn’t forget to do the dishes. That’s clickbait.

[00:52:47] Sorry. My, my, my failure to get gas to fill up the car with gas, like I said, I would is just reduced to clinic. Um, imagine just for reducing your, every mistake that you make in a day, the clickbait I’m not hung over. This is just clickbait.

[00:53:08] Andrew: Yeah, totally. I’m definitely not hung over.

[00:53:13] Emily: Harold, the dog, Andrew.

[00:53:14] I’m going to go make ’em a Mosa.

[00:53:16] Andrew: I will not be. I I’m just happy to hold down, whatever it foot my system so far this morning.

[00:53:24] Emily: Nice. Well, uh, we are going, I got a bingo game to watch.

[00:53:29] Andrew: Yep. And I’ve got a couch to go sit on because my silver bowl for the day.

[00:53:34] Emily: Well, everybody out there. Thanks for watching.

[00:53:37] Thanks for understanding until next time. My name is Emily. My name is Andrew goodbye.