Get Offset Episode 173: A HitPiece Hit Piece

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[00:00:00] Andrew: welcome to the guitar set podcast. My name is Andrew

[00:00:17] Emily: and my name is Emily. I don’t know why that pause made me laugh.

[00:00:22] Andrew: Pause for

[00:00:23] Emily: emphasis affirmations. No, no affirmations. That’s a handsome mug. You’ve got there. This is what I’ve got going with. It says gliders, Guetta. I’m starting my, my Cincinnati rituals.

[00:00:41] Like my Cincinnati, like emphasize virtuals started obviously last Sunday. Cause th the Bengals are going to Superbowl. I remember thinking when they were playing that first playoff game. If they win this playoff game, that would be like my own personal Superbowl, because they haven’t want to play off game.

[00:01:05] Like, since I’ve been like aware of sports. Right? Yeah. And then the one that I was like, oh gosh, this is just so huge. And so happen, Cincinnati. And then they won the next playoff game and I’m like, they’re going to the AFC championship. Right. And then they went back. I was like, just cry. Like, uh, like when that interception happened over time, it was, no, it was like bounced off the receiver’s chest into the lap of the bingo player hill maybe.

[00:01:42] And, um, Rick was like, oh, they only need a field goal now. And I looked at Rick, I just started crying. Like the old, we need a field goal. I was just crying because like, Evan, they’re going to get, they’re going to get the field goal.

[00:02:00] Andrew: Yeah. They, they just kicked it up. What didn’t they kick in? Like third down?

[00:02:03] They’re like, yeah, we got it from here. So they kick her out and the madness,

[00:02:08] Emily: I don’t remember. It was such a blur.

[00:02:11] Andrew: It was, there was a

[00:02:12] Emily: fun game to watch. It was a fun second half to watch.

[00:02:18] Andrew: Yeah. First half was pretty rough. I was chatting about it in the, in the discord server. Cause we’ve got a sports sports ball channel in there.

[00:02:28] I think it’s just called specific. And, uh, which by the way, joined the discord server, if you have not already by signing up on Patrion, but

[00:02:37] Emily: $5 a month, I like right as you’re, they’re going

[00:02:42] Andrew: right as they’re going into halftime, like the certain field, like a blowout, just like drop that in there. I’m like, I got a bad feeling about this.

[00:02:51] Emily: I think I, I think I say there’s still love football.

[00:02:55] Andrew: Yeah. Something like that. I don’t know why you weren’t ready to give up hope. I was, I was almost ready to turn it off

[00:03:02] Emily: to quote, to quote our fellow Ohio, my fellow Ohio and Bob Pollard. Everybody’s got a, hold on. Hope. It’s the last thing that’s holding me.

[00:03:12] Yeah. Um, when I hear things in this sports talk channel is that one of, one of our patrons supporters really wants to Bingle saloons, like consistently, and I haven’t kicked him out.

[00:03:24] Andrew: That’s wonderful self control that you have.

[00:03:29] Emily: I know, I

[00:03:30] Andrew: know you said if you did, but I understand

[00:03:35] Emily: I’m I’m, I’m staying strong about it.

[00:03:38] Andrew: Stay strong. Don’t do it. Don’t kick them off. It’s not worth it. It’s not worth it. Now. This is the part where I say it’s just football and then I get the glare of

[00:03:53] Emily: it is kind of just football, but the big lesson, the Bengals were in the Superbowl. I wasn’t born yet.

[00:04:04] Andrew: Right?

[00:04:05] Emily: 32 years old. 88. Yeah. It was the year before I was born.

[00:04:09] Andrew: Uh, last time chargers within the super that year I was born. So

[00:04:14] Emily: that means that was sooner.

[00:04:16] Andrew: Yeah. No. That is true.

[00:04:20] Emily: Yeah. So it was, it was, I love seeing the sportsmanship at that game.

[00:04:24] I love, I know people are like spar, ah, sorry. We’re almost done. I promise it was nice seeing the sportsmanship. That’s I love, I love seeing that, but Rick and I watched like a miked up, like the mic up NFL thing that they released. Cause they put like microphones on some of the players. So it was really funny to hear like the, like, just like how they’re hyping each other up and like all of it, they’re all just like stereotypical sports things.

[00:04:48] Like, it was just so funny and I’m like, man, I just want like that kind of energy from musicians. Like all the time, like, like we, we were like, oh man, that was a good track, but it’s always like, so laid back. It’s not, it’s never like high energy, like yeah, that was the take. Yeah, that was the lik. Oh, so there are a lot of tracks play though.

[00:05:11] Andrew: So what I’m hearing is we need more steroids in the students.

[00:05:16] Emily: Oh, you know, they’re not doing, they’re not supposed to do that. Please don’t write up.

[00:05:25] Andrew: All right. So last, last thing I’ll just toss in here. It is very rare that I feel this way about a super bowl, and you’re not going to like what I had to say about this, but genuinely I will be happy either way.

[00:05:38] No staffer deserves a ring. It’s going to say it. Stafford is one of the greats he’s been playing his heart out for like a decade. Now he deserves a ring.

[00:05:50] Emily: Cincinnati deserves to be happy.

[00:05:52] Andrew: Cincinnati also deserves, right? Like both, both teams deserve to win. They’ve been playing a phenomenal football throughout the playoffs.

[00:05:59] They’ve had great seasons they’ve beat teams that they had on paper. No right to beat. I mean, either team is a great Cinderella story here, so I will be very happy. Regardless. So I’m going to enjoy and enjoy it.

[00:06:17] Emily: I don’t want to, I don’t, I don’t want a home team to win. I think it’s really weird that there’s like a home team for the second year in a row.

[00:06:25] It’s weird.

[00:06:27] Andrew: I think it’s great. I never really imagine LA just erupting, which that would honestly make me a little extra happy just out of spite to the Spanish family who owns the charters, who decided to be a good idea to share the stadium with the Rams, instead of just staying in San Diego, where they had their own studio, the own stadium, their own fan base, and other inner city

[00:06:52] Emily: musicians or their own studio.

[00:06:56] Yeah.

[00:06:57] Andrew: Uh, no, I mean, they’re, they’re playing on somebody else’s home turf who has made it to the super bowl twice now in the last few years. Yeah. But they’re not getting a fan base in LA. It’s just. And there’s no reason to scream Spanish. Anyways.

[00:07:17] Emily: I like your subtle product placement back there for the podcast listeners.

[00:07:20] And she has a box of Cheez-Its on his I’m going to tease him about it.

[00:07:25] Andrew: Okay. So the funny thing is I don’t even like white cheddar Cheez-Its, uh, we’re watching TV and here the other day. So I just I’ve got the monitor on like a swivel, so swivel it out and just sit in the couch and watch TV and, um, both of us snacking on those and then,

[00:07:41] Emily: oh, okay.

[00:07:43] All right. I couldn’t remember if it was you or Rick who was talking about accidentally buying those, I guess as you,

[00:07:49] Andrew: I did not accidentally buy them. They were, uh, dropped on her doorstep by a family member. It was like, here, you should have these. I’m like,

[00:07:57] Emily: okay. Oh, I’d prefer not to

[00:08:01] Andrew: processed carbohydrates.

[00:08:03] I don’t need this. I’m trying to stay strong. I’m one week into an eight week transformation challenge at the gym. So, so far so good down eight pounds. Uh, which, uh, actually not, I mean, I like meat. I like protein. I like, yeah. I found a decent way of doing it. A diet quote, unquote, that doesn’t feel like a diet.

[00:08:33] So we want it to like a diner the last night, it just got like a meat stuffed on what? With a side, like a fruit cup instead of hash Browns.

[00:08:39] Emily: Wow, man, the hash rods are my

[00:08:40] Andrew: favorite part. They are good. I did miss it, but I was also like I did enjoy the meal. I think that eight pounds is mostly like water, weight and bloat and stuff from last week.

[00:08:56] Emily: Yep. And that’s one week. Yeah, that’s waterway. Yeah. Oh

[00:08:59] Andrew: yeah. I just feel so much better. Yeah. From here on out, my goal is one pound a

[00:09:06] week.

[00:09:07] Emily: That’s a

[00:09:08] Andrew: healthy goal. I don’t want to go any crazier than that, even though there’s a $500 gift card on the line,

[00:09:13] Emily: that’s a big gift card.

[00:09:16] Andrew: It is a big gift card. You know what I could get with a gift card for $500 and still have money leftover

[00:09:27] I’d have access leftover like gift cards.

[00:09:30] Emily: Oh. But, um, she actually get two of these and gonna get a t-shirt. Oh, you probably get two of these and, uh, an expression wrapper. This is, this just dropped, uh, from old blood noise. DeVores um, this past. And I’m full demo on the YouTube channel field one, check it out.

[00:09:52] It is distortion and modulation chorus, a slap back delay and a fifth delay. And you can run the distortion, which is, I think, based on a rat and, uh, the, uh, modulation in a series with the modulation either for before or after the distortion or in parallel. So really just a ton of options. And I, I was so feeling this pedal and I was really struggling to keep it, keep it, keep it, keep the demo from being like an hour

[00:10:24] Andrew: long, right?

[00:10:25] No, it sounds like that’s a, I could use that as a fly rig by itself. Pretty happily.

[00:10:34] Emily: I loved it. I love it. I really love the, the controls seem a lot more. I never played a V1, but the controls seemed more intuitive. Now, obviously the form factor is smaller. The V1 was a bigger pedal. Um, I like the look of a bigger pedal, but like this is for pedal board friendly. Right. And yeah, the

[00:10:58] Andrew: intuitive side jacks,

[00:11:03] Emily: the other pedals have side jacks.

[00:11:04] Now I think that now, like now that like you have a city video, little patch cables, what do you care?

[00:11:12] Andrew: I suppose that’s fair. I don’t know our subjects making it come back into. I know. Great. And Karen Love side jacks. Are they just setting a trend here?

[00:11:23] Emily: I, you know, I don’t, I think having taught mountain tracks is just such a nightmare in terms of places.

[00:11:33] And I kind of feel like chase bliss made it okay. To just decide jacks and not care who really does top mountain jacks. Like Earthquaker Earthquaker consistently does top mounted. Um, I’m looking around, looks like spruce bruises, top bounces, fruits of facts, Carolina. Carolina’s top mounted.

[00:12:09] Andrew: Uh, well what about bottom jacks? Are we ready for that conversation? So I don’t think we’re ready for that conversation.

[00:12:20] Emily: Why do I feel like I have a singular pedal as a bottom Mount Jack,

[00:12:25] Andrew: but maybe Z vex. If you look at it, cyber. Check

[00:12:34] Emily: maybe, maybe

[00:12:41] Andrew: pedal I’ve got Z effects pedal around here somewhere you

[00:12:44] Emily: gave it to

[00:12:44] Andrew: me. It did.

[00:12:46] Emily: Hmm. Okay. Well you, you loaned it to me. And then I was going to demo

[00:12:56] the distortion. Yeah, it’s up there.

[00:13:01] Andrew: Oh, hi

[00:13:02] Emily: buddy. You can’t see it. It’s like it’s up there on the corner.

[00:13:09] Andrew: Okay. Well, at least now I know. Yeah. I just had that. You ever have like one of those panic thoughts of like something you haven’t done about forever, but all of a sudden it’s like really important to know what the answer is.

[00:13:21] Emily: Yeah. All the, all the time. Now we’ll exchange it for this. Fair.

[00:13:30] Andrew: I’ve got sitting right there.

[00:13:35] Emily: I carry, I carry man

[00:13:39] Andrew: by Garry

[00:13:41] Emily: I care bear.

[00:13:44] Andrew: So I am, I have something new. Oh, I do. I’m just going to take the plastic off. So it looks plastic. Won’t reflect very well on this light. So let me take it out of the package of plastic off for a second. And uh,

[00:14:03] Emily: oh, I know those are, those are usually fits

[00:14:07] Andrew: well, they’re, they’re not the whole UAE fits.

[00:14:10] These are just the ear tips.

[00:14:12] Emily: They’re just the ear tips.

[00:14:13] Andrew: Just the tip. Uh, I. So they shipped with medium tips and there’s just, there’s no good way around this. So they shipped with medium tips, you know, average,

[00:14:25] Emily: yeah. Earpieces

[00:14:28] Andrew: and I have smaller than average years and you know, I’m not ashamed to admit it.

[00:14:34] Um, my drive regular sized car, I’m just very secure with it, but they don’t the regular size steps. They’re like they fit, but they also like slightly don’t fit just enough. So my hope is that the size zero, uh, the small ones and I’m going to swap them out and see if they fit better. And I figure, you know, like if it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work.

[00:14:57] And I can just put the other ones back on because at least the other ones fit well enough. I’m just kind of hoping for that extra, extra bumps. I’m going to pop that up. Let me try not to lose track of which side is

[00:15:07] Emily: which so you be fed so that they, they custom mold to your ear and 60 seconds using, um, Flint called light form technology.

[00:15:17] So basically it’s like this polymer plastic is kind of a swishy plastic that, um, interacts with LEDs just one time and kind of hardens to whatever shape is molded in. And it’s, um, music, a variety of industries. And you, he is the first to use it in a, your buds and they have a patent for it. So probably the only ones.

[00:15:41] So they’re the only ones who can do instant, custom fitting at your buds. And, uh, now Andrew is waiting for me to stop talking so he can do this a SMR style. See

[00:15:51] Andrew: if it comes through.

[00:15:55] Yeah, I heard it. There we go. All right. So let me crack this sucker open.

[00:16:03] And there’s pack it inside. I suppose I should probably read the instructions too. And so there’s the packet with the, your, your tips and the instructions are right here. Pretty sure. It’s just basically like put it on quickly and get the process started.

[00:16:18] Emily: They want you to do it within an hour, I think.

[00:16:23] Andrew: And then I’ve already got the app downloaded on my phone.

[00:16:26] Emily: Hooray. Step one,

[00:16:31] Andrew: cut a hole in that. Sorry. Uh,

[00:16:35] Emily: download the app. I sing it to it. Don’t worry.

[00:16:38] Andrew: Well, Nope. These instructions are useless. I’m just going to go with it. I I’ve done this before and he Rico, sorry. So they are connected to my phone.

[00:16:55] Oh yeah, that makes sense. I have done this before. Yeah, well, click on the menu. The second option is a mold, your tips or mold new tips, um, to change your tips, to, to remove your current tips, position one finger at the top of the tip and gently peel off, remove inserts from the new new tips. Let me pull these out.

[00:17:22] There’s a bag inside of the bag inside of the bag. I see. All right, so they’re vacuum sealed and everything. It’s like Suvi, uh,

[00:17:37] Emily: air buds.

[00:17:38] Andrew: All right, so we’ll do this one at a time. Well, so we got left,

[00:17:44] pull the insert tab out. Ooh, insert tab. That’s what your ear looks like, sort of, and then. The squeegee that around, and that is so much softer than it is normally. Cause they haven’t been lit up yet

[00:17:59] Emily: hard and yet, all

[00:18:02] Andrew: right, let me get the other one tip and line it up. Now it doesn’t mean I’m gonna have to take off my cans.

[00:18:11] So I won’t be able to hear a single thing you say for a little bit, huh? Which means you’ve got full attached, your tips attached insert. You don’t have to press too hard. I mean the jokes, just write themselves, check the fit. Uh, make sure the tips are flush with the earbuds. They are indeed flush.

[00:18:36] Emily: So I’m going to go ahead.

[00:18:37] It’s on camera for the podcast listeners as well. So you’re not missing anything.

[00:18:42] Andrew: Try them on. All right. So I’ll narrate a little bit, but I won’t be able to interact with you. So here we go. All right.

[00:18:52] Emily: So the podcast will size. They’re actually going to light up. Oh, already feels good.

[00:18:58] Andrew: The tip is too big. It just kind of

[00:18:59] hurts.

[00:19:01] Emily: Yeah. I know.

[00:19:04] Andrew: Both of your buds in your ears gently adjust them until they feel comfortable, insecure. You’ll mold both sides at the same time

[00:19:13] Emily: because of pressure points. That’s why it would hurt.

[00:19:16] And yet when your ears are kind of small, I should

[00:19:18] Andrew: clean my ears first, but you know,

[00:19:21] Emily: yeah. You should have cleaned your ears. It’s okay.

[00:19:27] Andrew: okay. So my last name feels like it’s there. I write one’s almost there.

[00:19:33] Emily: Yeah.

[00:19:35] Andrew: Alrighty. Next, get ready. We’ll do a quick sound test to ensure sound isolating fit. Before we mold to we’ll share some quick tips for achieving the best mold and three, the 62nd molding magic.

[00:19:49] Let’s do the last two months.

[00:19:55] Emily: And he’s going to like put a, play a little pressure and then they got some really cool

[00:20:04] don’t wiggle them around like that. Just apply pressure. Andrew. You’re supposed to apply a little bit of pressure to them. You’re supposed to apply a little bit of pressure, Andrew. You’re doing it wrong. That’s what they didn’t fit. Andrew. No, there you go. He figured it out.

[00:20:26] Andrew: Creating your perfect fit in 3, 2, 1.

[00:20:31] Emily: Oh, you can see them light up. Oh yeah. That counts the glow up. Nice. Turn your head. Turn your head. Yeah, it’s

[00:20:44] Andrew: happening in less than a minute. You’ll have perfectly fitted.

[00:20:49] Emily: That’s the last time that it takes to make a cup of coffee, unless you’re lazy like me. I used something called jot this morning to make a nice coffee.

[00:20:55] It tastes honestly delicious, not sponsored by jot,

[00:21:01] Andrew: curing the ear tips to the unique shape of your ear. Your unique affirmations. You can relax. Don’t worry. You’re doing great.

[00:21:14] Emily: You’re doing great.

[00:21:16] Andrew: Just a little bit longer. Not the first time I’ve heard that.

[00:21:21] Emily: Oh God, this is a blue episode. This part shouldn’t be so blue. You,

[00:21:30] well, he’s done this before, so oh my God. It’s going to get me fired that.

[00:21:44] If you’ve watched my demo of, um, like, all

[00:21:46] Andrew: right, congratulations. You know, perfectly fitted here, buds, try throwing in your favorite song and take them for a spin finish Lottie dime. Did we get the did to show the lights? Oh yeah. Cool. I’m going to go ahead and yank them. Then those fits so much better now.

[00:22:09] Emily: Headphones. Oh, you can’t hear me? Well, I don’t know. I said that. Awesome. You should write a review that says the word small ears in them.

[00:22:18] Andrew: Yeah. Anyways, uh, I should’ve done it a lot sooner.

[00:22:25] Emily: Did they send you those for free?

[00:22:26] Andrew: No. No, I, I, uh, I think it was 30 for the new tips.

[00:22:35] Emily: Oh, cause you did, they didn’t wait, did you do that after 30 days?

[00:22:39] Cause it was like a 30 day. Perfect fit guarantee. Okay.

[00:22:45] Andrew: No, it was within 30 days.

[00:22:48] Emily: So you just bought them, you didn’t reach out to customer service. Yeah.

[00:22:54] Maybe I’ll reach and email. Yeah. You know, customer service, NASA hill just refunded. I bet they will.

[00:22:59] Andrew: All right. Well, I’ll reach out. I was just one of those, like I was having a day where like, you know, it’s like almost quite right and I just wanted to order it before I forgot about it. So it’s like, I did, the autofill was checked out in 30 seconds situation, but I mean, I did.

[00:23:12] Yeah. This is not an ad. I paid for these yeah. Out of my own pocket. So yeah. This podcast might be like, I, this is personal money.

[00:23:24] Emily: Yeah. But the 30 day,

[00:23:29] Andrew: yeah. I should probably reach out and be like cave. I just found out about that part. Can I make a cheeseburger back? Cause that’s about what $20 gets you these days?

[00:23:39] Emily: Well, not at Dick’s at Dixon. We’ll get you a 10 cheeseburger.

[00:23:42] Andrew: Yes. Stuffed for the greasy bag of dicks for like 10 bucks.

[00:23:46] Emily: Just stuff with dicks. Yeah. This is a very blue segment, so it shouldn’t have been Eveleigh. It was kind of blue for us.

[00:23:56] Andrew: It is a little

[00:23:56] Emily: blue for us, a little blue for us, man, but we were just talking about your buds and cheeseburgers should be like, so family friendly.

[00:24:07] Andrew: I mean, yeah, probably shit

[00:24:10] Emily: that went down wrong, man.

[00:24:14] Andrew: Sorry. I mean, middle school again.

[00:24:19] Emily: I, well, it started with a Dick in a box joke and obviously went to just the tips just a few times that was kind of unavoidable. And then just a little bit longer as you gone through the fitting process. And then we talked about getting stuff with that.

[00:24:39] And then you went somewhere else and then thankfully, apparently decided to not, I appreciate that.

[00:24:45] Andrew: Yeah. Uh, yeah, no, that’s a, that’s a pretty good summation,

[00:24:49] Emily: but those fit a lot better.

[00:24:51] Andrew: Yeah. I mean, I could see how much different they look versus I think this is that’s the left one. So I don’t know how a parent it is, but so this is the one I just put,

[00:25:08] Emily: those are very versus

[00:25:10] Andrew: this one, like when I was holding it in, I don’t know how well it’s going to come through, but when I was holding it in, like, I was like really pushing.

[00:25:17] So it almost like folded over on itself to get it

[00:25:19] Emily: to go into my year. Yeah. It’s supposed to be light pressure too.

[00:25:23] Andrew: So yeah, no. So this looks way more natural and I can actually see now where like, it like that molded to like the shape of my year. I could see that it will get expensive to clean that off.

[00:25:35] Emily: I like their customer service. I’ve, I mean, I’ve done copywriting with ultimate ears, but, um, like I did buy these, um,

[00:25:45] Andrew: pick those up now

[00:25:49] Emily: I did buy my, um, my in-ears and I had to send them back a few times. Um, and just like, so just perhaps like, cause that’s normal, cause like you said that in your molds and then yet to Alex and still things like perfected shaved here and there and just like them, like going through the process with me, it was really, really impressive.

[00:26:11] I’m like there’s no, I was. Cause I was like, there’s no way they can get on a zoom call with me and talk to me about like what doesn’t feel. Right. And maybe like look at it in my ear on a zoom call and they’ll be like, oh yeah, I can, I see what needs to be done, but I’ll be damned. They can, oh.

[00:26:32] Yeah, but like, I was just really, I thought I would need to like go through the molding process again, like I thought I mess up the molding process and they’re like, oh no, we just need to see like how it kind of like fits on the outside, I guess. And like push it down and figure it out. Like it was, I don’t know.

[00:26:51] I just, I did have to send it back twice, but they paid for it all. Both times it came back really quickly. And now like, obviously I wear them all the time. Nice. And then the fence, like, like I’ve said before, I bought those for Rick, I got, I got a pair for me because I’ve done again. I’ve done copywriting for them.

[00:27:09] Um, so then I bought them for reg. I bought them for my whole family for Christmas and everybody seems to really love them. So,

[00:27:18] Andrew: well, there you go. Yeah.

[00:27:20] Emily: Sometimes when you, that’s the problem with marketing, man, sometimes you end up eating your own dog food. Like you’re like. Yeah. Cause you just so ingrained in like the things and you’re like, man, this really is a cool thing.

[00:27:35] And I think that that’s is, I don’t want to talk about marketing too much, but because people are like, oh, marketing sucks. It’s so stupid. I’m like, yeah. But like, there’s nothing harder than trying to do marketing for something that you think sucks. Right. We doing marketing for something that you actually think is really cool.

[00:27:52] It’s so easy and yeah,

[00:27:58] Andrew: like that should sell itself. It shouldn’t be difficult to communicate vision of why someone should use an item.

[00:28:07] Emily: Yeah. And that’s why I really like, yeah. That’s why I really liked my job. And because I get to do marketing with really cool companies that make really deep products that don’t suck.

[00:28:18] Andrew: You convinced me.

[00:28:20] Emily: Yeah. I mean, I’ve come a long way. I used to do marketing for like children’s clothes.

[00:28:28] Andrew: I mean that just writes itself

[00:28:31] Emily: and a group on clone named deal chicken. Oh God, that was the worst.

[00:28:40] Andrew: Do they call it brainstorming meetings? Like, well, it’s time to have a hatch. Like I touched them

[00:28:45] Emily: ideas.

[00:28:47] This was the worst because I know that they named the company based on puns about like our deals are cheap, cheap, cheap. And then they’re like, you can’t use chicken puns in the marketing. Like the, why the fuck did you do that? You named the company based on puns and

[00:29:06] Andrew: it be unflappable

[00:29:10] Emily: unflappable deals.

[00:29:11] No, they wouldn’t. The only pun we were allowed to use is hatching deals daily. We weren’t allowed to say cheap cheat sheet because cheap is, it has a negative connotation as a word. But, um, yeah, so we weren’t really allowed to use chicken.

[00:29:27] Andrew: Negative connotation unless you’re talking about coupons.

[00:29:31] Emily: Oh my God.

[00:29:36] Coupons is funny and no one ever came up with it somehow. Oh my God.

[00:29:46] Andrew: Pun not intended.

[00:29:48] Emily: Coop Cod there.

[00:29:54] Andrew: No, that wasn’t intended.

[00:29:56] Emily: Oh my God. Sometimes my subconscious just writes itself. Oh my God. It was so wild. I really want, oh my God. That was funny, man. I. I just remember having to like have booths at the state fair.

[00:30:12] I’m like these people want cheap shit. They don’t want quality stuff, man. They want you shit. This is what free shit. I remember talking to a woman trans try and talk to a woman because I was like a free popcorn booth. A few, I think I’ve, I think I’ve told this story before, but there’s a free popcorn. So we’ll give away free pot, little, little bags of popcorn, like a couple of booths down.

[00:30:32] Yeah. And she came up to my booth and she was like, kind of looking at, I was trying to give her my spiel, but she was eating the popcorn, but not with her hands. She just had the bag pushed up against her mouth, like a horse, like a bag of feed. I’m like these people don’t care. If you using the word cheap, cheap, cheap to describe deals that would actually communicate it to them.

[00:30:57] Perfect.

[00:31:01] Why am I here?

[00:31:05] That’s it.

[00:31:12] Andrew: I mean, I, I’m not going to lie and say that I’ve never done something like that with popcorn. Cause like the beetle popper is like, stick your tongue into the bag and then like it, like it’s sticky enough where it picks up the backward,

[00:31:26] Emily: but like Wallace stranger is trying to talk to

[00:31:29] Andrew: you. Right? I mean, that’s.

[00:31:33] I mean, it was already strained because I discovered that when I was in middle school and it was homeschooled, I thought that was the funniest thing. It grossed my brother out who just sit there, like make a bag of popcorn, like party the bowl, just lizard style.

[00:31:57] Emily: So specific.

[00:32:02] Yeah, man,

[00:32:05] Andrew: shit right there.

[00:32:11] Emily: Oh my God. Lizard people. I love that losing people is like some weird conspiracy theory. I just started as like, like in an Avella somewhere, like in a Saifai like dime store novella.

[00:32:25] Andrew: Uh, it was a V wasn’t it. It was worth like those are people taking over the world.

[00:32:32] Emily: Uh, I don’t know which specific. I think it was Heinlein’s lizard people,

[00:32:44] a reptilian conspiracy theory on Wikipedia.

[00:32:49] Andrew: I’ve got V which is a TV series that started in 1983. It had to reboot recently. Uh, and that 1983 is where that one started, but that was definitely lizard people coming and be like, we’re going to, we’re here to help you. And then like, it turns out they’re actually like trying to feed their queen kind of thing.

[00:33:07] Oh,

[00:33:07] Emily: no, it started, it’s much older. It’s from, um, the Robert. Oh, it’s from the guy who did Conan the barbarian, Robert E. Howard, a story, the shadow kingdom published in weird tales in August, 1929. That’s the first, uh, that we know of. Um, the piction of like a lizard underground lizard kingdom. Nice. And so that’s what most modern depictions are based off of.

[00:33:35] Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. All right. That’s fair.

[00:33:38] Emily: Yeah. Yeah. So similar. I’m a

[00:33:42] Andrew: fan. I mean, you just take one, look at CSEC and you’re like, oh yeah,

[00:33:48] Emily: those are people

[00:33:53] Andrew: like 30 minutes into the episode. Give or take a little over. If you haven’t had a glass of water, since you started listening to this, do you know what you should do right now? Should go get a glass of water, pause the episode, stand up, stretch your legs. Or don’t pause the episode. Just keep listening and get your buds, like stretch your legs, get some movement in, take care of yourself, you know?

[00:34:15] Um, which is also my cue for I’ll be back in 30 seconds.

[00:34:19] Emily: Oh, I got so much editing is going to go into this episode.

[00:34:25] Welcome back.

[00:34:27] Andrew: I stood up, I stretch my legs to Mustang. That’s important. It is. I, uh, I’m a fan I’ve started doing, uh, I started blocking out my time on my calendar during, for the day job into like 25 minute chunks or 55 minute chunks or 50 55, something like that. And so like, if I have an idea of how long a task is going to take, just kind of slotted in there and then do that, take my five minute break and come back.

[00:34:54] And, uh, that’s been helpful. I don’t know how sustainable that is in terms of, cause that does take planning upfront and I’m terrible at forward planning. Yeah.

[00:35:04] Emily: You know, his good planning, hoop, big ear pedals.

[00:35:10] Andrew: Oh, is that so,

[00:35:12] Emily: yes, because they did a great job. They’re planning a pedal that’s being released, uh, tomorrow, February 9th.

[00:35:21] Oh, and that, that took a ton of planning. Let me tell ya. I’m, I’m very excited to be a part of the launch for that. I did a whole unboxing video and I hope everybody watches it because, uh, knock my socks off.

[00:35:34] Andrew: I’m planning on watching. Want to know why, why I have no idea what it is cause I, I I’ve stayed out of the loop.

[00:35:41] I haven’t read any of the emails. I have no idea. Zero clues.

[00:35:45] Emily: Oh, because there weren’t emails. Yeah. I just a Facebook message me. Well, there you go. Yeah.

[00:35:53] Andrew: I have zero visibility to what’s going on and I usually have a decent idea. Uh, and, or just, I just know for a lot of releases that we get looped into this one.

[00:36:06] I don’t. And honestly, I’m kind of happy about that. It’s nice. Right? I I’m going to be surprised. I’m going to be hyped.

[00:36:16] Emily: Good hoops. Cool. That’s a good feeling. Sorry. I did cut you off though, by bringing back to guitars.

[00:36:24] Andrew: No, that’s all good. Bring back. I mean, I’m was about to bring it away from guitars entirely.

[00:36:29] Uh, cause I, I did an abomination at work the other day, while I was thinking about the day job, it reminded me. I had a going away party for a couple of coworkers and we did Costco cheese pizza and then put brisket on top of that. Someone smoked a brisket, brought it in, just slices of brisket on top, a little bit of barbecue sauce that took a couple of slices, folded up saying new style and went for it.

[00:36:49] Emily: It sounds good. I like barbecue

[00:36:51] Andrew: pizza. Yeah, that was, that was unholy, but legendary all at the same time. And I have no regrets,

[00:37:00] Emily: no regrets, no baggers, no records regardless. I bet. I bet there’s some people this week, I think might have some regrets. Uh, they’re owners of a website called hit piece. And I hope they have regrets.

[00:37:17] They should have regrets. I doubt it

[00:37:19] Andrew: like a frightening name.

[00:37:22] Emily: What a stupid name, what a stupid name. So

[00:37:28] Andrew: I thought the hatching one was bad, but hit pieces worse.

[00:37:35] Emily: Oh my God. Because you know, if for those who are not familiar, a hit piece is like an article that’s like designed to take down a figure. So

[00:37:46] Andrew: it’s like, it’s like

[00:37:50] Emily: there, I don’t know if there’s an implication of unfairness.

[00:37:55] I think it’s just like, absolutely. She’s going to decimate somebody.

[00:38:02] Andrew: Uh, the

[00:38:02] Emily: ground, like what the New York times did to Ryan Adams, what recently happened to Josh? Josh Weeden. It’s like a, it’s like, what will spark cancel culture? Uh, it’s just, it’s, it’s been around for forever that people are just kind of sending you names too.

[00:38:22] So, but obviously a hit is a hit song and a piece of music. So I think they were trying to be punny and fun, but hit piece was a website that was selling an FTS of music, which, you know, they’re not the first website to try to sell NFTs of music. Um, other bands who tried to sell their own axes of music.

[00:38:48] Um, but what they did was stupid astronomically. Astronomically astronomically stupid, so stupid that the RIA is going up against them. And I’m actually cheering for the RIA for the first time, like fucking ever. What’s the RAA, the recording industry association of America. If people who used to Sue you, if you downloaded music off of Napster.

[00:39:24] But so it hit piece did was, it seems like they essentially crawled Spotify and uploaded NFTs to their website for sale, but failed to get permission from anybody. So they were, yeah, so they were just selling entities of music without securing licensing agreements from artists and, um, copyright holders.

[00:39:54] Andrew: If there’s anybody that could make the Disney legal department look like the good guys, that would be it.

[00:40:01] Emily: Yes. So I started seeing people talk about like, who is this website? Selling my music without my permission. This is bananas. Like I’ve never

[00:40:13] Andrew: this music too.

[00:40:16] Emily: No, no, no, no, no. Just like a lot of people I know, actually I didn’t even love because the website was down, like in a day it was like, I think that they realize how badly they messed up, but they were, they were going to get sued into oblivion immediately.

[00:40:32] So if you want to sell someone’s music, you need. To get a licensing agreement. Like if you want to sell it digitally, like if you sell someone’s album physically in a store, you need like a distribution deal basically. Um, or if it’s a small band and they, they just need to bring in a copy of the record and they sell basically on consignment, but a big, the bigger, the band’s good digitally, you need digital distribution agreements and basically, uh, secures like everybody’s rights.

[00:41:02] So it guarantees the artists going to get paid a certain amount of the profits and that you get to keep a certain amount of the profits, right? This didn’t have that. And what they were going to say, what they were saying was their, their defense was basically, the artists were always going to get paid.

[00:41:21] You just had to reach out to us.

[00:41:26] Andrew: Yikes. That’s like, Hey, I borrowed your car. Hope you don’t mind kind of energy. You’re like, what.

[00:41:32] Emily: What? Oh yeah, I put that scratching. If you ever noticed it, I was just gonna, I was gonna pay you back. If you ever noticed that scratch, you know, I was going to fix it. If you ever, did you ever notice it?

[00:41:43] Andrew: Oh yeah.

[00:41:44] Sorry. I drink the milk in the fridge. It was good to replace it, but I was going to wait.

[00:41:50] Emily: Yeah. That’s the CA no, no, no, no, no, no, none. None, none, none. And then the, now the us is not on me to ask you, the onus is on you to ask me, I am the person with the power in this position. And not you, you have it’s so twisted.

[00:42:10] Andrew: I, I wonder. So like thinking ahead, like how they’re going to possibly defend themselves in court, because I mean, they, they’re going to have to at least try Cushing. Some of the blow in the back of my head. I’m like, all right. If the defense that events would prob I could see the defense running around like, well, it’s not the music, it’s an NFT of the music and kind of like try to create that proxy barrier, but then inevitably that’s going to become self-defeating logic of it’s just a copy paste, which is not what NFT dude bros are trying to.

[00:42:42] They’re like, no, it’s, I’ll just copy paste. It’s different. Now that you’re

[00:42:45] Emily: back. Well, it is, I mean that they didn’t actually sell any sound files. So what were they selling? And that’s what, what is what the shit is in a T?

[00:42:59] Andrew: So yo I mean, FC, isn’t a sound file, but, um, so yeah, so that’s,

[00:43:04] Emily: that’s where they’re going.

[00:43:06] Andrew: Yeah. They’re, they’re trying to pull the legal loophole there, but in this process they are self diff they’re self admitting. The whole premise of NLT is dumb.

[00:43:18] Emily: It’s a scam. The RIA is literally arguing that it’s a scam. And if the RIA wins, I think that this might be like, this is going to be bad for enough.

[00:43:29] T what is it? NFTE of music if it’s not going to include a sound file. Right.

[00:43:38] Andrew: I mean, it’s splitting hairs. It does include a sound file, but it’s not going to be like, it’s not a sound file. It’s a like reading of a sound file or an encryption of a sound file. So therefore what you’re getting, isn’t the sound file itself.

[00:43:51] And you just like, yeah. From a tech perspective, I see where they’re going there, but they also know full well what they’re doing. Isn’t right. And they’re trying to pull a fast one.

[00:44:03] Emily: Yeah. So the RIA is selling is suing them. But, um, in the letter of the RIA, I’m just going to read this and the letter of the RIA.

[00:44:14] Repeatedly called hit piece of scam operation designed to explain fans. It’s chief legal officer said it used quote, buzzwords and jargon to hide the fact that it did not obtain the rights it needs to make fans, uh, narrates the needs and to make fans believe they are purchasing an article genuinely associated with an artist.

[00:44:31] Um, there, there are shul added quote while the operators appear to have taken the main sites offline for now, this move was necessary to ensure a firm, a fair accounting for the harm had peace and its operators have already done in to ensure this site or copycat still simply resumed their scams under another name.

[00:44:50] Right? Because these, these operators, they were seeing partying and box seats at sports games. Like they have like invest they’ve had investors.

[00:45:01] Andrew: Yeah,

[00:45:02] Emily: yeah, yeah, totally. And it it’s it’s like, how can we exploit musicians? Let’s just keep exploiting musicians. And the art they create. And

[00:45:15] Andrew: I mean, this, like, this is strange to me, like a FinTech dude, bro, like recent grad was doing Coke at a party at 2:00 AM and had the realization that their career was going nowhere and they had to do something wild to get somewhere and they’re like, I’ve got it.

[00:45:29] Woo. Yeah. I mean, that’s what the screen should be.

[00:45:36] Emily: I want to know if anybody actually paid, I’m sure people paid for it. You see what it was? Sure. So I’m sure they got some money and I want to know

[00:45:46] Andrew: there’s no other cash flow to date remotely kept up with her investment. Oh God. So they’re going to be liable to their investors as well.

[00:45:54] So it sounds like they just dug themselves into a hole that they’re never going to be able to take themselves out of unless they doubled down, which would look like rebranding and redoing it over and over. Uh, or like going around the second time, you’re like, all right, cool. So now that everybody knows who we are welcome to the party, we made a big splash now who actually wants to do business with us.

[00:46:14] And do you want to license out the rights?

[00:46:17] Emily: Yeah, I’m actually not entirely sure if they ended up with any money. That’s just based on a front of the show saved. If we, uh, she had most multiple posts on Twitter about it, but this was my favorite. Uh, Hey, you stupid fucks. We don’t have any deal with you or any NFT site.

[00:46:35] And this sure does look like a lot, like an auction active auction going on for a speeding or song.

[00:46:44] Andrew: Yep. Uh,

[00:46:49] I mean, digital tokens are something that we’re

[00:46:58] still not sure what to do with, and you’re going to have people who are going to try and grip their way out on. Uh, I mean, that’s just the reality. So, I mean, grifting is in between MTS and cryptocurrency. Grifting has been a thing for the last decade. I mean, people have been scammed. That’s not to say all of it’s not legitimate, but with any sort of new technology like that, it’s a buyer beware situation.

[00:47:24] Which, I mean, I, granted I say that as someone who has been historically a late adopter of technology and someone who’s typically scheduled, I like, I don’t want to buy the first generation of hardware on a wait and see for the second generation. That’s kind of where my head space tends to go with these sorts of things.

[00:47:39] But right, this, this is, I could see them actually being able to pull this off by pulling the hate. So now that everybody knows who we are, who wants to actually start license licensing out to us, if they can, if they can cushion the blow from the first round of lawsuits and then I’ll everybody else is like, well, actually, no, that’s a good idea.

[00:47:59] I like that. And we can make money. Let’s do business.

[00:48:02] Emily: Yeah, here’s what their quote was on Twitter. Clearly we have hit pieces, quote clearly have struck a nerve and are very eager to create the ideal experience for music fans. To be clear, artists get paid when digital goods are sold on hit piece, like all beta products and blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:48:18] But that’s not, that’s just that, isn’t how it works. And also like you fo focusing on ideal experiences for fans over what the rights of the artists are, is bullshit. It’s like, it’s one thing. It’s one thing. If you’re like selling memorabilia, then you don’t have to have the artists involvement in that at all.

[00:48:39] But if you’re selling

[00:48:42] Andrew: like.

[00:48:45] Emily: And they might, they might be, they might have like some loophole points, perhaps the way contracts have been traditionally read in there have been issues with, with new technology and concerns with that. And, um, like for example, uh, contracts, um, for licensing and TV shows and movies, they didn’t predict streaming.

[00:49:09] So the co contracts didn’t have streaming Renton, which is why TV shows like WK, RP and Cincinnati. Didn’t don’t have the original music in the show. And why the wonder years don’t have the original music in the visual theme song is because that wasn’t written into the original contracts because it couldn’t be predicted and they couldn’t secure the rights later because it would have been too expensive.

[00:49:33] And, uh, so that you couldn’t predict that you couldn’t predict in a tease. So now, like after streaming. Some lawyers have tried to get more vague with contracts, but you can’t predict everything. You say things like all the known and unknown universe to just like cover your ass and situations. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:49:57] And legally is, but I don’t know how you protect against like streaming. Like I don’t know what these contracts say. I don’t know what the legally

[00:50:08] Andrew: it depends on the contract to contract for, for whether or not labels are going to be able to, if artists even have a say at this point, whether labels are going to be able to go into business with a headpiece moving forward, because labels might be go like, wait a minute.

[00:50:22] They made a huge splash. Let’s look at their numbers for the first week and hit piece is going to go back to their investors to say, if you want to see your money back, you need to double down and give us more so we can fight the legal battle and then go into phase two of this operation. And this is where we make the real money.

[00:50:35] Emily: I really hope not. I

[00:50:37] Andrew: think this is, I think that’s exactly where it’s going and now you’re going to have labels are gonna say, sorry, artists, but we have the rights to your music based on your contract. We’re going to go ahead and do this. And we’re going to start generating NFTs to start selling because we’ve got a platform that’s willing to partner with us that has a wide reach.

[00:50:52] Emily: They, why would they need headpiece to do that?

[00:50:55] Andrew: Uh, it’s a platform. What label labels don’t necessarily have the mining rigs necessary to generate those empties? Cause it’s not like it takes five minutes on a laptop. It, you need big rigs. And a lot of, I mean, it’s not eco-friendly at all. It takes a lot of energy bill to do the calculation, to do the encryption that goes in to blockchain.

[00:51:14] So. Labels. Don’t just have those mining warehouses laying around. So if do bros, you know, if this group of FinTech deep bros took advantage of the fact that China’s shut down a lot of crypto a few months ago, and that all the mining, uh, warehouses in China started offloading millions of dollars of hardware for really, really cheap, just to make a little bit of money on the backend.

[00:51:35] And they’re sitting on a warehouse here in the U S like, I could see this, like, I, I see how they could pull this together in a way that labels don’t labels. Can’t just pull entities out of thin air. So if they’ve got a partner that’s willing to do the gender, the production work of the product, and then negotiate sales and whatnot, and they just have to do a licensing agreement.

[00:51:57] Super. I was

[00:51:58] Emily: just going to be another is crazy. This is just another way artists are gonna get fucked over. Cool. Yeah. Neat. Um, that’s all these artists who are like speaking out about it. They’re indie artists for the most part, right. Um, ’cause they’re the ones who still have some semblance of control over their music.

[00:52:16] Um,

[00:52:19] I, I just, I don’t like an FTS. I, I don’t think they’re ironed out in any,

[00:52:30] they’re not, they’re

[00:52:31] Andrew: going to be around and people need to figure out what that means. And so my encouragement to artists who are looking at signing, uh, labels, right, or signing with labels right now, setting deals, ask those questions about not just streaming, but also crypto. What does that, what, what is, where are their rights with crypto generations of their content that they create, who owns that?

[00:52:54] How does that get broken down? Because that’s new territory and that should, those are the questions that people should be asking now, really the questions people should’ve been asking sooner, but this is, this is a good wake-up call Vic. Oh, the feature is here a lot sooner than any of us. Now the other thing to consider there is crypto has longterm there’s questions about that being long-term viable because the whole point of crypto in my understanding, and I’m not an expert here, but crypto’s only worth as much as it is because it’s, uh, you can’t decrypt it with it level of technology we have right now.

[00:53:30] So there’s like the ability to encrypt versus the ability to decrypt. So if you lock it up and keep it nice and safe, you’re all good to go and it’s worth something. But the moment the technology catches up with the ability to crypt, let’s say with quantum computing hardware, suddenly you can decrypt all of this and it’s all worth nothing overnight.

[00:53:46] So that’s kind of that balance, what we’re looking at long-term, but that’s going to be a while. It’s going to be a while for this thing. So we’re the next decade easily till 2030. This is the reality that we’re going to have to wrap our heads around, uh, and con and all content creators are going to have, whether it be music, whether it be art, this is the medium that people are going to start trying to figure out, uh, how to capitalize and take advantage of people.

[00:54:13] And if you don’t want to be taken advantage of, get in front of it, not to be all doomsday, but

[00:54:19] Emily: people just want to make music, man. Yep. And if you’re not a musician per se, and you actually do want to help musicians and be like a good guy and good lady, a good person on that side of stuff, there there’s room for people to be good people.

[00:54:37] Good lawyers, good managers, good agents. There’s room in this world for good humans. Because there’s a lot of Grifters out there because they’re for every like good person. There’s like 10 Grifters who just wants to steal. Like, I, there are, there are just so many people out there who just want to gain the system because that’s how, that’s how it’s,

[00:55:07] Andrew: it’s one of those don’t hate the player.

[00:55:08] Hate the game. Head of situations.

[00:55:09] Emily: Yeah. Yeah. But I, I do, I hate

[00:55:14] Andrew: some of the players. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:55:16] Emily: Because you don’t, you don’t, you don’t, you don’t have to be like that. And I do hate the player and I do hate the game because you don’t, you don’t have to be like that. You know, it’s like w when I was playing like kickball or whatever, and I would get mowed over by somebody, like, yeah, he wasn’t supposed to do that.

[00:55:35] I did hate the player. Cause he was like, D like, you know, what, what, what happened to him for, for, for breaking the rules? He got a slap on the wrist. Right? Cause, cause that’s, that’s ultimately what it comes down to is like is, is why you start to hate the players is because they found out that when they do break the rules, what happens to them?

[00:55:56] It’s like, what you’re saying is going to happen to this company. You think nothing?

[00:56:00] Andrew: Sure. They might lose a lot of money. I think they are going to lose a lot of money from phase one, but there’s a very, there’s a very apparent option for what a phase two looks like for them to be able to recuperate all of that and more.

[00:56:13] Yeah. So they’re just, it’s a calculated risk. Yeah.

[00:56:18] Emily: It’s a

[00:56:18] Andrew: waiting game. It is. I think it’s a calculated risk. I think it’s very unlikely that someone is who who’s gone this far through this process is actually stupid. And that’s where I’m very cautious of assuming that other people are saying. Uh, in a business

[00:56:35] Emily: environment, there’s a lot of people, I send some really stupid people and sure

[00:56:41] Andrew: they they’re out there.

[00:56:42] I mean, stupid things happen. But if you assume that before we fully understand what the situation is, that’s how you get taken advantage of. And I think this is one of those situations.

[00:56:52] Emily: You think that we all just played into their hands and give them a bunch of free publicity. Yup.

[00:56:57] Andrew: 1000%. So you just handled it quietly with a lawyer.

[00:57:02] They, they didn’t get the market value that they’re hoping for, but they now have a name recognition. People are Googling them. People are, they’re getting sued. So it’s, it’s scandalous. It’s one of those. I see this as no publicity is bad. Publicity kind of moves get a whole bunch of event. Investor’s eyes on all of a sudden they’re going well, if we can help them double down, how much more money are we going?

[00:57:27] Make.

[00:57:30] Emily: Maybe I think that they probably expected some backlash, but not like quite the day luge. I think they probably expected some backlash from the artists. I don’t think they expected to get sued by the RIA

[00:57:45] because like I, man,

[00:57:48] Andrew: I don’t, no one’s dumb enough to believe that they could just sell other people’s property without having backlash. That that’s not, that’s not even a complicated.

[00:57:57] Emily: I’m not saying no backlash. I’m not saying no backlog. I’m saying like the absolute level of, from, from artists and listeners, like being, being Twitter’s villain for the day.

[00:58:16] Sure. Do you think they did? They expected that?

[00:58:20] Andrew: I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. And if they’re sitting here going yet, plan’s going exactly. As we imagined.

[00:58:28] Emily: You can’t, you can’t plan for that, man. I would, I would be less surprised if they had like contingencies. Sure. Like here’s what happens if this, like, that’s just good planning and you shouldn’t always have, like, you should have like your, your different PR levels of like, here’s what we would do at four different levels risk differently.

[00:58:46] Yeah. I don’t think most people plan to have a launch and cause like the, the idea of like 40 chest is I don’t believe that most people play 40 chest chest. I don’t think that most people play 40 chest like that. You know?

[00:59:05] Andrew: I mean, I’m happy to be wrong. I’d prefer to be wrong. Honestly. I I’d like to believe that there’s floundering right.

[00:59:14] Uh, cause I mean, it’s easier to play 40 chess though. As someone entering a market than it is for like Spotify, we will be talking about Spotify last week, had they kind of failed at their own 40 chest game. And the week after like this last week, they’ve talked about they’ve the CEO’s come out and try to establish that they are not responsible for the content on their platform, which is one of the points I brought up last week is now that they kind of are they’ve entered in the same place.

[00:59:36] They, they it’s the same mark Zuckerberg conundrum, which is, oh no, the content of my platform, I could actually be held liable for. Right. They should’ve seen that coming, but they’re an established company. There’s sometimes just corporate doesn’t pivot that quickly, but a smaller company that has a startup is way more flexible.

[00:59:58] And I’m much more inclined to believe that a startup is playing for each S than, than established, uh, uh, mid cycle corporation.

[01:00:08] Emily: Well, that’s like saying you expect fire festival to have like.

[01:00:15] Same thing about

[01:00:15] Andrew: that.

[01:00:19] Emily: Yeah. Maybe. I mean, but like that was bad press for bad press. That was a guy who was just consistently like that w that was a literal pyramid scheme. That guy was just starting new ventures to pay off the old ones. I don’t know anything about these founders, maybe this is that, like, I think, I think that in the coming days and weeks we’ll find out exactly who these people are, um, what their histories actually are and what it all is, because I wouldn’t be surprised.

[01:00:49] I wouldn’t be surprised. Cause it seems like so often it is something like that. It’s like the Martin Shkreli thing too, you know? Oh my God. I just watched a documentary on that guy. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:01:07] Andrew: Piece of work. Yep. Oh, we’ll see him.

[01:01:10] Emily: But he was, yeah, but he was also just like real pyramid scheme vibes, like starting new ventures to pay off old debts. Real yeah. Pyramid scheme things. Yeah. So

[01:01:29] I just, I just don’t, I don’t want to give tech, I don’t want to give tech bros credit for being smart in there. Cause that’s, that’s a problem that we have in this world. This America’s capitalistic societies. We tend to think that these tech giants you see is we think they’re fucking geniuses and they’re not.

[01:01:52] Andrew: I think, I think for a lot of people, that is the case. I mean, I don’t know. I, I probably shouldn’t talk too much about that.

[01:02:06] Emily: I, I just, I don’t want to give them too much credit. Um, but I guess it’s just like, we’ll see, we’ll see what happens. Um, maybe someone else takes the idea. There are going to be NFTs and music.

[01:02:17] We can both work

[01:02:18] Andrew: on, I be cat to this business model as well.

[01:02:20] Emily: Yeah. Oh

[01:02:20] Andrew: absolutely. It’s not them. It’s going to be somebody else in, if nothing else, record labels are now realizing, oh my God, this is why are we not doing more on this front right now? Because this is, we can just license. This is another licensing venue for them.

[01:02:35] If somebody else is willing to pick up all the production work, that’s just free money. Yeah.

[01:02:39] Emily: But if you want to talk about like companies that have already been sued and tried similar things and like doing things without permission, grew shark did that back in like the 2012 to 2015 groove shark was an early streaming platform based in America and went under in 2015, because if they had been found liable for.

[01:02:58] Stealing the music that they uploaded without permission, they would have been liable for almost $800 million. So instead they were just like a buy and that’s kind of the gist of that story. And they have won some of their lawsuits. They won some of their lawsuits and they still were like, we can’t keep doing this because they upload music without permission.

[01:03:20] Sure. And it was music and I was streaming that was early, but they were trying to up, they were trying to argue over uploading, like, um, non copyrighted music and the record companies were still like us.

[01:03:35] Andrew: Sure. Uh, you know, maybe these guys don’t have that 4d chess thing figured out now they’ll fill out and they’ll go for another round investing with a new startup with a better model.

[01:03:43] Yeah. It doesn’t even necessarily have to be under the same. They could just say, yep, this is a failed startup and all that investment money isn’t protected. That’s part of the downside of investments like that is you just wash your hands and then whole thing goes down bankrupt Toodles, and let’s go for another round with a fresh clean slate.

[01:04:03] Emily: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So I think we’re, yeah.

[01:04:08] Andrew: Anyways, uh, it’s weird to me that it’s not weird, but it’s almost frustrating in some senses that, uh, something like a creative endeavor that should be more pier gets tainted in this kind of way. It was just a, it’s a cash grab. I don’t like that personally. I understand.

[01:04:36] Uh, I would like to think I know enough about how like these dynamics work at a high level to understand why it exists, but it doesn’t mean I have to let. And I, I don’t like the shoot first ask questions later, mentality in this kind of situation. No, it’s disrespectful.

[01:04:54] Emily: Yeah. There’s so much about this. I don’t like, it’s kind of hard to pick where to start in a way.

[01:05:02] Um, for me in a lot of ways, it’s, it’s, I mean, it’s obviously deeply frustrating, right? And it Harkins, what you’re saying is right there, we’ll be gonna tease the music. And they thought what I said was right. They will just exist to fuck over musicians in the same way that Spotify was supposed to solve a problem with piracy.

[01:05:27] But part of it was that, um, record label saw that apple was giving too much music to musicians in sales. So they were able to create agreements with Spotify that enabled the record label. Yep. So fucking over musicians. Um, it’s cause we’re not business savvy and we also want to do this. So we’ll find that it, whenever it’s a passion thing, you know, it’s easy to prey on it’s the same thing as like people who work in the music industry, especially at the younger level, because when you are at the younger level, in the music industry, you are a dime a dozen when you’re like wanting to like get into promotion and R all that kind of thing.

[01:06:17] Like, oh, you don’t want to work for $28,000. There’s a, there’s, there’s like 3000 people graduating from Belmont, NYU, all these other places this year. And they will do it for 25, like, oh, uh, yeah, I guess I’ll do it for 27. Right. Great. Um, so. It’s rough, rough, rough, rough. And yeah. That’s so

[01:06:45] Andrew: it is rough, but it’s unfortunately reality.

[01:06:47] So if you’re a musician listening to this and you’re trying to navigate this, uh, I’m sorry that you got to deal with it, but if you want to make the most of your career, you you’ve gotta be able to balance your creative pursuits along with the business, half of things, or find someone who can advocate for you.

[01:07:03] Well, on the business side of things that can just manage that for you as not easy to do, it’s a lot easier if you’ve already got a presence for money, but you also get that by signing deals with labels. And so there’s a lot to manage there. Uh, but yeah, that’s, that’s the, uh, I’m sorry, it sucks, but if you don’t want to get screwed, this is what you gotta do kind of thing.

[01:07:29] Emily: Yep. That’s what I got. That’s what I got. All right. Well to everybody out there, please, uh, like comment, subscribe, leave reviews on iTunes, Spotify. If you’re still listening there. Yep. Wherever, um, wherever, wherever and otherwise. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks for understanding until next time.

[01:07:51] My name is Emily and my name is Andrew. Goodbye.

[01:08:00] Andrew: Are you going to oh, by the brain just went straight to space.