Episode 106: Guitarist and Male Guitarist

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Andrew: [00:00:00] Hey anyways, welcome to the, get off set podcast. My name is Andrew

Emily: [00:00:18] and my name is Emily.

Andrew: [00:00:20] And today we have all of the things to talk about. Uh, And it just occurred to me. This is the last episode pre Halloween. Uh, and this is also the last episode before my birthday.

Emily: [00:00:32] Yeah, your birthday is on a Wednesday.

So the day after this,

Andrew: [00:00:37] after this comes out, um, so the day, if you’re watching this unreleased date, uh, today is officially the last day that I am 25 years old.

Emily: [00:00:47] Oh, right. I think that when I turned 26, my mother said, you’re in your late twenties now. And I was like, no, that doesn’t happen till 28. Now I’m 31.

Andrew: [00:00:57] Late, late twenties is, has to be 27,

Emily: [00:01:01] I think. 27 and a half.

Andrew: [00:01:04] Yeah. But then that’s three quarters of the way through your twenties. 27 is like an approximate third of the way through your twenties. Cause you can get so 20 to 23. And then 24 to 26 and then 27 to 29.

Emily: [00:01:18] Well, whatever, um,

Andrew: [00:01:20] that gives you a whole extra year that, that extra year for the early twenties in that bracket space.

Emily: [00:01:25] But do you want that the early twenties? Weren’t my favorite. One of the 20th.

Andrew: [00:01:30] Uh, certainly my, the toys are all

Emily: [00:01:32] right. Yeah. Um, I have your birthday present right here. Because I’ve been filming the demos for it. I’m not going to move it because I got the setup and I’m like, Oh my God, I almost cried. Like while demoing this.

So, um, just so everybody knows, Andrew knows what his birthday present is because she helped retrieve it. Um, he

Andrew: [00:01:54] made me sound like

Emily: [00:01:57] it was yours. So, you know, I do the demos. Andrew doesn’t do the demos, but like, if he’s the one who does the work to get the product and he can have that, I don’t really care.

But so if

Andrew: [00:02:10] I’m calling you, you know why it’s like, Hey, I actually really want your stuff.

Emily: [00:02:17] It’s a line six pod go. Yep. And, um, I now that it’s working, I think it’s really cool. I think you’re really going to dig it. I really liked, I really liked the amp sounds. Um, but when I first got it, I am like, Oh cool.

Like I made my patch. Like that was really easy like now. And like, and then I’m like filming it. So like I made one patch. Now I can go, I can film it and I can walk the process, like, and not sound like an idiot. And I make one patch and I’m like, and now I’m going to make another patch. And I like jokingly make one name and Andrew.

And then, uh, it saves to every, every single patch slot. Every like, even if it was like the named one. Like the tests I did, like, it was suddenly like all of them. So I’m like, this has happened every time I, I did the app, I did the firmware update. I’m like, what is happening? I’m just

Andrew: [00:03:08] like, it knows it belongs to me.

I think that’s what it is. It’s like, Oh Andrew, I know the name. My master is Andrew.

Emily: [00:03:18] I didn’t do a hard factory reset, which thankfully was really easy. And then I have to do the first, actually the firmware was still updated and now everything’s working great. And like, Oh, what was

Andrew: [00:03:28] pretty

Emily: [00:03:29] cool? Yeah. What was weird was, um, when I got it, there were no like example, uh, patches loaded in, like there was nothing.

And I thought, well, that’s a little weird. I would think they would at least give you some. So like, you can. Like see what it’s capable of sort of like the fender Mustang GTX 100 has like, like 172 out of 200 and you can all have your own nothing in there. So I do kind of wonder if it was like, like everything was boxed up, everything looks new, but I, part of me is like, was it a weird case of just like something buggy happened somewhere along the line and.

I don’t know, maybe it was like a refurb or like they had used it for

Andrew: [00:04:19] an exam. Where’s the fickle thing. I there’s no getting around that. All it takes is one bug. It starts to wig out and sometimes just you refresh the software and it all works fine. You start getting to a certain level of DSP. It’s inevitable.

Emily: [00:04:34] Now I have to re now I’m realizing that, um, this like that time, last week I was reinstalling my entire operating system on my computer. So like two weeks in a row, I’ve had to just start everything from scratch. And, you know, in both times it was like fine. It was like, whatever, like at this point I have my Dropbox sync to like, I’m just like saving anything that might be being to my Dropbox.

Yeah. Um, which means I’m probably gonna have to up the amount of internet data I have on my plan, but I it’s worth it. Like I had been saving stuff to like externals and that’s, that’s kind of fine, but, and I probably will go back to that solution, but. Hey, fingers crossed. I don’t have to.

Andrew: [00:05:23] Yeah, I don’t do video editing.

Um, because that would take a lot more space than my Google drive would handle. But, uh, I treat my Google drive as my backup. And I’m not going to tell you which account I’m using as a backup. Cause that’s, I’m very tinfoil hat about my digital security and, um, anyways, but yeah, you know, you got 15 gig with a free Gmail account, so it might not.

Emily: [00:05:44] Yeah, I have, um, I’ve I’ve was like grandfathered into like the two terabyte Dropbox plan or something like that. Yeah. So I’m like, I’m never leaving that.

Andrew: [00:05:57] Yeah. I

Emily: [00:05:58] email address. I asked you it isn’t one that anybody has so

Andrew: [00:06:03] well, there you go.

Emily: [00:06:05] One thing I love about Gmail addresses is you can put random periods in them.

Um, And so like, if you’re logging, if you’re like creating a username and you, for something, you can just add a bunch of periods or remove a bunch of periods and it it’ll still go to your Gmail, but like it’ll make it, I think probably put at least one level of between hackers and you.

Andrew: [00:06:28] Yeah, for sure.

There’s, there’s a myriad of ways to, uh, enhance digital security in the modern era.

Emily: [00:06:35] Yeah. So. You will. I want to ask you what’s new with you.

Andrew: [00:06:42] Oh, that’s so kind. Well, for starters, I have this adorable little pumpkin.

Emily: [00:06:47] It’s like my adorable little pumpkin. And if you’re not watching this, if you’re not, mine has a cat on it.

So mine’s more podcast appropriate. But if you’re, if you’re not watching this on YouTube, we both have a little pumpkins and mine has a cat

Andrew: [00:06:59] on it. All I’m going to say is it’s the most wonderful time of the year where orange is universally beloved. And, uh, I have no complaints with that. Uh, so now I’ve got that pumpkin

Emily: [00:07:12] orange university, universally beloved.

There is some orange

Andrew: [00:07:17] just don’t let politics ruin my moment. Okay. Tangerine, Palpatine. I get it. Like, I don’t like him either, but I just want to be able to like orange. Um, all right. So, um, I’ve got two things here for what’s new with me. That are actually gear related. Uh, one, so most has been helping me out with, uh, Fox Cairo as of late.

And I think, uh, this way it’s about time to actually officially announce her as like part of the team, because she’s awesome and, uh, saving. Me and my ineptitude with her genius and, uh, she’s, she’s so great. I I’m incredibly lucky. Um, yeah. Uh, so I, I saw something it’s um, Andy Martin’s wife has an Instagram account.

I think it’s like behind the pedals or something.

Emily: [00:08:15] Oh, yeah, that’s a good one too.

Andrew: [00:08:16] That’s a great account. It’s a combination of like memes that make kind of make fun of Andy slash make fun of the people who make fun of Andy. Um, those are always great, but then just getting to see like the behind the scenes of how she supports him and, um, and the, uh, the tips and tricks she’s picked up as someone who’s like not a guitar player.

And she posted this last week and it was a photo of a doorstop. And what she was using it for was to prop up pedals, just at a nice angle to lift them off of the surface that they’re being photographed on what the photo she posted was of, uh, of a guitar. Uh, so it was like she had the, the doorstop was on the strings.

And so the pedal could like be just neatly raised up and I’m like, that’s. That’s genius. And so

Emily: [00:09:02] really smart. Yeah.

Andrew: [00:09:03] So I was going through my wishlist of things to purchase for the business. And, uh, doorstop was on was one of them. But now that most of is involved, I was like, Hey honey. Before I go and start just buying stuff with, um, with the money we’ve made the last couple of weeks.

I want to run this by you since we’re kind of doing this together now. So here’s what I’ve got in the cart. Here’s why each of these things is good for, um, that made sense. And, uh, on the list was like, doorstops know, Amazon, like the, like, there’s like a set of four for like 15 bucks. So I’m like, I just want one.

Yeah. I just want a doorstop, but I also, like, I don’t want to go. It’s not worth my time to go to the store and wander around, to find one for $3 and save the 10 bucks. If that’s going to take time. It’s

Emily: [00:09:52] like the family dollar surely as a product of a family dollar,

Andrew: [00:09:58] he looked at me and she’s like, honey, you know, we have doorstops right.

Emily: [00:10:06] My husband doesn’t know what we own either. It’s kind of amazing.

Andrew: [00:10:10] Um, so yeah, no, we’ve got doorstops. They are clear and I need to get the lighting rig up behind me to do some shoots of my next what’s now to, uh, take, uh, around to shoot is, um, the hope is. W. So I usually do photography on the, uh, orange backdrop that I’ve got.

Right. Uh, cause hashtag on brand it’s fun. But the problem is when you’ve got something like a VP junior where the side of it is silver, the reflection from the orange is so strong that the sides end up looking orange. That’s not always desirable. So my hope is if I put this underneath. Just get a little bit off of the surface that might help a little bit with the, uh, the orange glare is permeating everything.

That’s partly why

Emily: [00:10:56] to be honest, like orange, like that’s, I’m looking at your product right now and like that Topper’s orange.

Andrew: [00:11:03] The topper is orange. This is my newest hopper.

Emily: [00:11:06] What’s orange is complimentary color, Andrew.

Andrew: [00:11:10] Um,

Emily: [00:11:12] it’s actually in that image blue.

Andrew: [00:11:15] Yeah. Yep. Sorry, that took me a second. I was like, wait, oranges.

It is a secondary color on the other side of the wheel

Emily: [00:11:24] and, um, a blue one for when you’d have orange things. I actually probably have a ton of little like, um, fabricy backdrops because I bought a light box once and never used it. And it came with a bunch of potential background colors.

Andrew: [00:11:38] Mine is not fabric.

It’s a 99 cent poster board from target. Um,

Emily: [00:11:44] you have to iron the fabric. So I kind of get not using fabric.

Andrew: [00:11:49] I, I still don’t know what I’m doing as an amateur photographer. Um, I still use my phone to take all my product photos, but I want an orange backdrop. I just, I need, I want an orange backdrop. How do I do that?

And I was just like casually browsing through target pre pandemic. And I just saw the poster board mic. You know, I bet that would work. And so I grabbed like five, so there’s like five of them stashed back here. Um, three of which haven’t been used yet. Um, just cause they get scuffed up by to try to erase what I can with, uh, with a pencil eraser and then move on when it’s trash for 99 cents.

Yes.

Emily: [00:12:26] Sure. Yeah, but don’t, don’t sweat like any, like I, I use this to film the MI shots in all of our demos. That’s my phone. Yeah, and I have a cute little new pop socket. It’s a, it’s a black cat

Andrew: [00:12:40] mom.

Emily: [00:12:41] Yeah.

What was I going to say? Oh,

I was like, I’m so excited for my what’s new and I’ve just, um, two things happened that were exciting this week. For me, musically speaking, a Sunday, crushed the band. I played, I play guitar and I’ll be at, I did not. Play on the record. Um, we had a video premiere for our song and video. Good boy. It’s an animated video.

It’s really cute on, uh, the big takeover magazine’s website. So that was really exciting. And then I found out the song I had recorded, uh, laid down some guitar part is for a woman named Sonora Mae, uh, that went live last week and she started sharing it around this week. It’s a really beautiful song called, waiting to bloom.

It’s on band camp, all the money’s going to help. The help some victims of domestic violence, especially children. So it’s all going to a great cause. So I’ll try to remember to drop a link in the video description in the show notes, and I’ll drop it in the visual thread on our Facebook group, which everybody should join.

Um, yeah, I’m just really proud of what we did and just kind of some moody swells. I tried to sort of invoke a, um, pedal steel. Because I thought she would like that. And she did, but my friend, Michelle Sullivan from Michelle Sullivan and the all night boys plays bass and sings on it. And, uh, I forget the, the fiddle player, but, um, she did a great job.

I can, I can attest,

Andrew: [00:14:13] well, congratulations. It’s always exciting when new content comes out with your name on it,

Emily: [00:14:18] it is, it is, you know, and I’m just, uh, I’m just excited about where, where things are going. It feels like 31 years of hard work. Might starting, maybe starting to like

Andrew: [00:14:31] pay off. They have a little, but yeah,

Emily: [00:14:33] I should say 31 minus eight, 13, 23 years.

Andrew: [00:14:38] Sure. I don’t know. That seems like capitalism might start working eventually, maybe

Emily: [00:14:47] Bri and I started the new job this week and that’s been going well, but man, I did forget what it was like to work off 40 hours a

Andrew: [00:14:54] week.

Emily: [00:14:57] Days go by a lot faster. It’s kind of nice.

Andrew: [00:15:00] I bet. Um, yeah, no, my, my week, 1000% disappeared, I got to Friday.

Um, and I actually, I worked way more than my, my normal shift, um, for Monday and Tuesday. Um, so my manager is like, okay, well, make up for that. We’ll let you have Friday morning off. And so like, like come Friday morning, like. Well, I feel like I should be working, but I’m not, it felt like it took forever to get to noon.

And then like I’m working from home anyways. And so I’m like, like resisting the urge. Like it probably wouldn’t hurt just to check, to see where my messages are at right now. See how many emails I’ve got waiting. And then in, as soon as I forced myself to wait until noon to fire up the laptop and then noon hit a fired up, I’m like, all right, let’s go in the next day.

And it was like four I’m like. That took five minutes for four hours to pass. But the entire morning when I slept in and it was only awake for like two or three hours before I started work, it felt like an entire day. What the heck?

Emily: [00:16:01] Isn’t that weird, like waking up at I’ve been waking up at like six 30 to get some like other freelance projects done.

Like before I start my work work day, I don’t know what I said. I hadn’t worked 40 hours a week. I mean, obviously I do. I’ve been doing 40 hours of work a week. It’s just a, for one job instead of like, One main thing and then a couple other things to fill the hours. But yeah, I’ve been waking up early to work on some freelance projects to edit some videos.

I am cutting my demo schedule back a little bit. I had been doing four demos a week and that was just man.

Andrew: [00:16:34] That was a lot.

Emily: [00:16:35] Yeah. It wasn’t even like I was, I wasn’t struggling for content because. I still have a backlog, but yeah, just to do four videos a week really is it’s so many, it’s just a lot of time filming and editing.

Yeah.

Andrew: [00:16:52] Yep. No, that makes total sense. I think, uh, I think with all of that mind, I think it, uh, We should update the phrase time flies when you’re having fun. Like having fun, like kind doesn’t apply quite the same way when you’re a willing participant in a corporate capitalism. I think that’s how we should, I think a variant on that is how we should rephrase that.

Like,

Emily: [00:17:17] and you’re going so hard on capitalism this week.

Andrew: [00:17:22] Capitalism has not been the kindest to me this week and I’m not feeling excited about it.

Emily: [00:17:27] Yeah. I’m sorry

Andrew: [00:17:28] buddy. It happens.

Emily: [00:17:30] Yeah.

Andrew: [00:17:32] It’s capitalism.

Emily: [00:17:35] Yeah.

But like I’ve mentioned something last week that I just kinda want to talk about really quickly before we get into our topic topic, which is going to be a lot of fun. But, uh, I know I’ve mentioned that I thought that you were too young for Pete and P and that was, that was confirmed because I didn’t realize that Pete and Pete started airing in 1991.

Um, and they were like a couple of one-off shorts, like for, for like 31, 23 minute episodes. And then it went into a full time series in like 93 or something like that. But, um, I had, I have gone down a rabbit hole of Pete and Pete a little bit, like, not as much as Rick, like I, I w I got home one night. I don’t know where I’d been or something I’ve been like working on something.

So I don’t, I probably just came upstairs and that felt like coming home.

It was like, I finished work at like seven 30 and went upstairs and we hung out. And then I, uh, he was going to get on a, a nine 30 call with India because he’s important. And I’m like, well, I’m just gonna lay in bed. And like, I’m like, Oh, let me see if Pete and Pete’s on YouTube. And it is, and I started watching it at like nine 15 and he hears and he comes and he just is looking at it.

And he’s like, man, I forgot about this show. And it wasn’t me. It’s like, can you wait until I can watch it with you? And I’m like, sure. But also I’m a little bit sad that I can’t watch Pete and Pete. Right. But like that it holds up. It really, it really does hold up. There’s a lot of nostalgia. And man, the cameos at firstly the theme song is like really just so nineties indie rock.

And I really love it and it’s fun. And I think it probably impacted my musical tastes more than I thought at the time or thought throughout my life, but also like. Michael Stipe is in an episode and Pearson from the B 50 twos. Isn’t an episode, Debbie, Harry, isn’t an episode and he pops like four episodes.

Luscious Jackson plays a major plot line. And in an episode I’m like, this is how did all of these like indie rockers or alternative rockers? Like how did, how did it, how did they convince anyone to let them make a children’s TV show? And I love that they did it and like some of the themes. And I really liked like, um, there was an episode about R D have you ever heard of like a Mister tasty kind of ice cream

Andrew: [00:20:09] truck?

Emily: [00:20:11] No. Okay. Well, um, so there’s, there’s an episode where there’s this like kind of mysterious, um, and that sounds more dubious than it is mysterious ice cream guy. And he always wears this big soft serve kind of head. And nobody knows anything about him. And they like try to befriend him, like the kids try to befriend him and then he just takes off.

And then, uh, when they’re talking to the Michael Stipe character, who’s also an ice cream guy. He’s like, I heard some kids were trying to get too close, like basically, but it was, it was like a lesson of, it’s not always appropriate to try to be friends with adults when you’re a child. And I’m like, yeah, that’s an interesting lesson.

From, and it was from the perspective of not because this guy is bad. Cause ice cream guy wasn’t bad. It’s just like their boundaries. It’s like a good episode about respecting boundaries. I think.

Andrew: [00:21:05] I mean, I’m a fan of respect and matter. That just sounds so creepy.

Emily: [00:21:10] It’s it’s a little creepy. I mean the whole show is just weird.

Like the whole thing is as weird. Oh yeah. And Sonic youth Strummer was in like the first ever episode. It was just like, I might be, you’re watching. You’re like, what the hell? I love this. I love it more as an adult. Almost.

Andrew: [00:21:29] That just seems so strange. Yeah. It’s definitely a ever so slightly behind my time, but no, I mean, just as soon as you said, Michael Stipe

Emily: [00:21:40] is ahead of your time.

Andrew: [00:21:44] I think both work.

Emily: [00:21:46] I don’t know.

Andrew: [00:21:47] Anyways. Uh, no I’ve been spinning my head for a REM puns and, um, I don’t have any that are relevant to this conversation, but it’s not the end of the world as we know it. So 

Emily: [00:21:59] was a shiny, happy person until the kids try it again. And his way I

Andrew: [00:22:03] feel so forced. I don’t know, that just seems very strange.

Hey,

for those of you who are not watching on YouTube, uh, kids, they’re calling it these days. It was, it was not the finger, but it was a vulgar gesture,

but it was not a ruse, uh, that 22 minutes in a, if you want to see Emily, um, Visually do something rude. You should watch it on YouTube. Anyway,

Emily: [00:22:43] he’s on our YouTube video last week, then downloads and like a lot, like it was a lot of YouTube views.

Andrew: [00:22:49] Yeah. That’s actually really exciting.

Emily: [00:22:51] Yeah. So. I’m probably you’re pro maybe you’re watching the premier right now.

Andrew: [00:22:59] Oh God. No, I didn’t. You premiered when I’m in my day job. So I didn’t have time to, I, I couldn’t like step in and like actually watch my dig, come back around and watch the, uh, redo the super chat. And I got a kick out of it.

Emily: [00:23:12] I tried to do, um, a lunch, a lunch thing, so

Andrew: [00:23:16] I want to

Emily: [00:23:16] be a part of it for the scheduling.

Just let me know. And I’ll try to,

Andrew: [00:23:22] if I thought I would get a lunch.

Emily: [00:23:24] I would,

Andrew: [00:23:27] it’s just one of those, I, the seasons where it’s like, go, go, go.

Emily: [00:23:31] Yeah, no, I, I have been, I was, go-go going all week, last week and it was really, really nice. I learned a lot. I got, I like writing because you learn like the randomness stuff.

When you’re, when you have to write an article about it.

Andrew: [00:23:47] Well, shall we thank our sponsors and then hit up our topic?

Emily: [00:23:51] Yes. This week’s episode of the get offset podcast is sponsored by distro kid. They make it easy and affordable to put your music on the internet, uh, places like iTunes, Spotify, title. These are iHeart.

Please stop doing that. Um,

Andrew: [00:24:09] honestly, how long would it take you to get up?

Emily: [00:24:11] I noticed that like the first time you did it. I’m trying to thank our sponsor. Uh, but, uh, one thing, one cool thing that I did with them this week is I set up, um, for our, after our premiere I’m, they’re going to be able to do it so that if somebody pre-orders the Sunday crush record, they’re going to get an automatic download of the song.

Good boy. And that’s called instant gratification and it’s a cool way to move pre-sales on iTunes and other platforms. Um, Well, like, just like that, a little extra incentive for somebody to go ahead and, uh, pony up the 10 bucks. It costs to buy your music or whatever. And that’s just one of the many cool little features that you can do with a district kid.

And if you use the link in the video description or in the show notes, um, you’ll save 7% off your first year of distro kid and you’ll help support this. Podcast slash YouTube channel. So please check that out and again, thank you district kid for supporting

Andrew: [00:25:17] us instant gratification and what could be more American?

Sorry. I was trying to say something relevant to the sponsor because like genuinely in the back of my head, I’m like, Oh, that is actually like really cool. Like, I didn’t realize that was a feature. And then the other half of my brain was staring at the store stop that I’m now using as a fidget tool, um, to, to keep my fingers busy.

And I looked at it and it says doorstop and I had the, my brain immediately went to, well, what’s a, what’s a door start and I’m just having one of those

Emily: [00:25:56] almost came with a doorstop. But, um, we had been using, well, I think I mentioned this before in our last department, we did, we, we only had a front door and a door to the bathroom and those were the only doors in the whole place.

Um, because it was a studio loft and Nashville we had, and I think we still have this, this heavy little iron like cast iron iron, and we would use that to, um, probably in the doors. But man, if you hit that thing with your toe, it was lights out blind.

Andrew: [00:26:27] Yeah. I don’t, I don’t do the stepping of the toes.

Emily: [00:26:31] I have to wear slippers like all the time because I am for someone with such small feet.

How do I stub my toes as much as I do? I don’t understand.

Andrew: [00:26:38] I, uh, yeah, I try to wear slippers or Birkenstocks in the house when I can. Um, and I know Melissa doesn’t appreciate it, but my toes do, Melissa was raised in a household where you do not wear shoes inside. And while I understand the hygiene behind that, I think if at any point we think that the floor is remotely clean.

We’re kidding ourselves. So why?

Emily: [00:27:00] Well, indoor shoes like mr. Rogers,

Andrew: [00:27:05] I mean, yeah. I don’t really wear my Berkshire, my, uh, my slippers outside, so yeah.

So, all right. Well, our topic for the day,

Emily: [00:27:22] can we have Ted Felipe from Caroline guitar company?

Andrew: [00:27:28] Absolutely.

Emily: [00:27:30] Hat tip to Felipe. Listen to this episode with also with Louise, from Dorf craft devices from earlier in the COVID experience.

Andrew: [00:27:38] Yes. I’ve been meaning to go back and listen to it because we got kind of into the stick Sinai, what are the business implications of a worldwide shutdown from COVID?

And this was like in March. I think we did the episode, like a couple of weeks after, like I started working from home, it was all super fresh. And I, I remember a few few of the talking points that we got through and I know that those are aging well, but I kind of want to listen back to what everybody thought was going to happen now that we’re several months in and just see like, who is right, who is wrong and, um, uh, and how right.

I guess, cause I don’t think anyone was wrong. I think everyone’s right to varying degrees. So we got a conversation.

Emily: [00:28:20] And some of the things just got worse, like shipping because got worse.

Andrew: [00:28:26] Oh man, I’m still so frustrated. Like I just like trying to source normal things like, uh, supplies for Fox Cairo. And um, like a couple of weeks ago we went to go source one of the, the products that he used for the production line.

Last time I bought it, it was. Like X amount of dollars a unit. And I went to go check and a literally tripled in price. Since the last time I had to purchase it, I ended up having to go find someone who is a, find a local, a local storefront that was a vendor for that company and talk them into giving it to me at a lower price.

And it’s like special, like special ordering. Um, a certain number of units in order for it to make it worth their while. And it just, I was like, I shouldn’t have to go through this.

Emily: [00:29:15] Yeah,

Andrew: [00:29:18] yeah.

Emily: [00:29:21] He, anyway, yes. He shared this post from the Facebook page, man, who has it all.

Andrew: [00:29:32] Actually

Emily: [00:29:33] you can actually buy these shirts.

Um, but it’s a picture of a man and a woman they’re wearing a shirt with the same design and the woman’s shirt says guitarist and the man’s shirt says male guitarists.

And as someone who’s been called a female guitar, instead of just a guitarist, that’s really funny.

Andrew: [00:29:53] I got a kick out of it. Um, I don’t, I guess I, I love the concept, but I don’t understand, like, I guess it’s a left-handed guitar in the picture. I know. It’s, it’s been bugging me

Emily: [00:30:10] a little teardrop pick, um,

Andrew: [00:30:12] that guard is, yeah.

So yeah, so it’s like a. It’s like a pick shape, cutout picture or graphic of an acoustic guitar, but it’s a left-handed guitar because the strings on the right are thicker. And then the pit guards on the left. And it’s really bugging me because I’m like, come on guys.

Emily: [00:30:31] Left-handed people,

Andrew: [00:30:32] I will get into that another time.

But, um, childhood, I

Emily: [00:30:37] saw chaplain, it’s going to get cropped out.

Andrew: [00:30:41] Cat is probably going to actively, um, Oh, if it’s firstly, yeah, I’m going to be gagging here in about two minutes.

Emily: [00:30:48] He’s doing it. He didn’t go into the

Andrew: [00:30:51] thank God.

Emily: [00:30:52] He just walked off to the side of the screen. Um, but the whole thing is the trope of the idea of like, there are lists where basically women are categorized as like.

This woman and rock best female guitarists. And just like, we just want to be on the list of the normal. Like, we just want it to be a normal list. I don’t want to be a female musician. I want to be a musician. And that’s, that’s the sentence, but this is a,

well,

Andrew: [00:31:18] yeah. I mean, if like you, if you watched her on SNL last night and you’re like, Oh, that’s pretty good for a girl.

Emily: [00:31:24] Oh, a few said that you’re like, you’re dumb.

Andrew: [00:31:28] That’s the sort of thing that like this mindset and it’s, it’s so frustrating to see this because at a certain point, like I never really noticed that this was a thing, but once people started calling it out to me, I’m like, I couldn’t stop seeing it everywhere.

I’m like, Oh my God. Like, it really is like, it’s so wild.

Emily: [00:31:48] It’s an asterisks next to your name. And you’re like, I don’t want that.

Andrew: [00:31:51] It’s a caveat. It’s an asterix. Isn’t this implication of a gimmick, which is actually, uh, I was, I had a. Um, DM conversation with mrs. Smith a couple of days ago about, um, the concept of a gimmick.

Um, and it’s just like this idea that people are subconsciously. Like they might not even realize that they’re doing it, but they’re subconsciously putting that asterisk next to your name and devaluing your work or implying that your art doesn’t stand up for itself. Um, or that it’s not even art itself, that it’s just some sort of a ploy to play on capitalism to try and get more money and attention and followers.

And when it’s not that at all, um, that just so implicitly,

Emily: [00:32:37] it’s just annoying. It’s just ultimately like. It can be anything from like a mild annoyance to, I mean, I know this hasn’t happened to me personally, but I know more than one woman who’s been dropped from a bill because we already had one woman on the bill of like a festival.

Like not like

what

Andrew: [00:33:01] quota

Emily: [00:33:03] quota. Yeah, exactly.

Andrew: [00:33:04] Exactly. I get weird. We get a tax exemption. Now

Emily: [00:33:08] the token, the token. That’s like, you don’t want to be the token black person that film. We don’t want to be the token woman on, on a bill. Like you don’t want to be the token, anything you want to be there because so

Andrew: [00:33:19] kind of the, of them, the, let a women open up for the headliner.

Yeah.

Emily: [00:33:25] Oh man. They have one of the four bands on the bill as a woman. And that quota,

Andrew: [00:33:32] like, it seems like it’s like, I could see where some would be like, Oh, well just like a one word difference. And. Yeah, I think it’s, that’s not being fair to how sinister small differences in our choices of words can be.

And I, I, and that’s a statement I can say pretty confidently across several languages. Um, but it, linguistics is so incredibly important in the way that it shapes culture. And that is something I will stand by. Um, I, one of my. I think I’ve talked about this before, but like I swear, like emojis have changed so much of the way that we think is at least this is my pet running theory.

I haven’t done like tons of research, but it’s basically hieroglyphics. And so the way that, that changes our brains to look at things more visually and to speak in ways that like the English language camp, these little things go so far so fast without us ever entirely realizing it. And so when we see something like this, that’s calling it out.

You’ve got to be willing to take a step back and say, okay, I haven’t thought of it this way before, but I recognize that I’m my brain’s kind of just been normalizing this for so long that I need, if I give it a chance to step back and reevaluate that I might be able to learn something from this. And I might be really surprised by how drastically this changes my perspective on things, because.

Emily: [00:34:57] Yeah.

Andrew: [00:34:58] All of the things we just talked about before, you’re putting an asterisk in front of someone’s art, their talent, their reputation, and that’s Senator the word, giving it sinister. Um,

Emily: [00:35:11] I don’t think it comes from a good place necessarily. Um,

Andrew: [00:35:14] I don’t think people are necessarily being malicious.

Sometimes they are, but not, not always.

Emily: [00:35:21] So like, have you ever said, like, if you’ve ever said to anybody about anything good for a girl that’s really. Absolute trash. Like, it’s just you’re. Are you good? Or are you not like don’t, don’t put a qualifier in it, but I think that one thing it takes for people to see how ridiculous it is, is to flip it right in the gender.

Reverse exactly like this, like a male guitar of a man would never wear a shirt. This is male guitar is like not, not seriously. And like, there are not. Male guitars and female guitars. They’re just guitar. So there’s not pedals for boys and pedals for girls. Right.

Andrew: [00:35:57] I thought about ordering the shirt just to like, you know, like being supportive and like kind of in on it.

I can’t, I really don’t think I could bring myself to actually wear that because that would just feel like. That would feel slightly demeaning to me, even though it’s like click on the joke and it doesn’t really apply to me. It just, I started an order and I just like, I couldn’t breathe. I knew I wouldn’t be able to, it just wouldn’t sit right in the back of my head.

And I think that moment, like, okay, this, like I’m recognizing like in my head that this was like, makes sense on why they’re flipping it and what’s so wrong with it. But. If I want them to go the extra step of participating in the fact that my brain is like, ah, no, no, no, no, no. We don’t like this. It took the extra visceral level of like, Oh yeah, maybe, maybe this is a microcosm of what women feel when they’re, they’ve done a performance and someone says you’re pretty good for a girl or a, did your boyfriend teacher like what?

You should smile more? Any of these things that just, I, yeah. I mean, that’s just wild.

Emily: [00:37:02] No, I’ve gotten this, I got this. Um, I’ve gotten this in like most of the industries I’ve worked in. I remember once I was, um, like writing like copywriting for a whiskey tasting and the client literally said, yeah, the coffee is pretty good for a girl.

Like literally said it. And I was like, and I think that my face just stone need right up. I was like, And he’s like, I was kidding. I was kidding. I was like, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t think you work. I don’t know, but that, I remember, like, that made me so mad and I, like,

I know he was joking, but also like that, wasn’t funny, man. I’ve been getting that my whole damn life. Like, it’s never, like, I’ve been getting that since I was a kid. Cause you do like throw like a girl or run like a girl. What was it like dove or somebody did like the, like a girl campaign.

Andrew: [00:38:00] I don’t remember.

I remember the campaign. I don’t remember what company it was. It tells you how successful the campaign. Yeah.

Emily: [00:38:04] But it’s like, you would ask like a young girl to like show us running, show us throwing. And then, then they asked a girl, show us, run like a girl, show us, throw like a girl, like my own dad who, who is, you know, always been supportive.

I just remember at one point he did say the words like. Like that’s throwing like a girl or something like that. Maybe it wasn’t my dad. Maybe it was someone else on the team. I think it might’ve been one of our female coaches now that I think about it, but like the idea of just like, if it’s not proper form, it’s throwing like a girl should be, that’s just weird.

It’s a weird thing to say. Like, I don’t know,

Andrew: [00:38:42] man. Sure. I mean, I think, uh, learning, uh, so there’s a couple of things I think I can take away from in this, um, Well, for starters, just if anything, that’s gendered language, if you’re attaching something negative to gendered language, think twice, I’m not saying that you can’t.

I’m also saying, I can’t think of a good example of that off the top of my head. And I

Emily: [00:39:09] can’t think of a good example of positive gender language, to be honest like that. Like unharmful positive, like the warmth, the warmth of a woman, like emotional warmth of a woman, like. Like you would think that’d be a positive thing.

Like I would think that would be a positive characteristic for anybody to have, but like PO like warmth, emotional warmth, but then when you ginger, it like that, you’re saying it’s not normal for men to have emotional warms. And I think that’s, um, upsetting.

Andrew: [00:39:38] Sure. I mean, I think there’s, there is a much deeper conversation to have, like, even on the other end of this, but I think, um, to focus on specifically negative stuff, like if it’s explicitly negative, I really want to caution against that and like take the second to think about it.

The next thing that I’ve got on this is I understand that not everyone who’s saying things like this, I really truly believe that not everyone’s being intentionally malicious or demeaning, or they don’t even realize what they’re saying. It’s so internalized now. And I think that’s okay. I’m not saying that it’s okay to stay that way, but I’m saying it’s okay.

No, one’s going to say you are a bad person because of the way that the language that you have, the way that you’re using the English language or whatever language natively speak, I’m not willing to say, Hey, your that’s bad. I’m not willing to like, make that a personal thing. What I am willing to say is, Hey, if someone calls us out to you though, don’t say, Oh, I didn’t mean it that way.

1. So I can keep doing it. That’s not what we’re saying. What we’re saying is take the opportunity to learn, take the opportunity to reflect, um, slice of humble pie. No one don’t take it personally. No one’s saying it’s personally about you. People are saying, Hey, this is something that it’s a recognition that this is, we’ve all internalized this collectively as a culture and it’s time for us to start evaluating whether or not we’re okay with that.

Emily: [00:41:02] And if somebody is, and I will say if somebody is taking the time, especially somebody that, you know, uh, if somebody’s taking the time to say to you, like, Hey, that’s really not a cool thing to say. And here’s why it’s, I, it’s an act of love because it means they think that you are capable of introspection and that you want to improve and that you want to, you know, make people around you feel good and welcome.

It’s not, it’s not a slight on your personality. Um, and so you make it a slight on your personality by sure. And rude about it.

Andrew: [00:41:36] Sure. Yeah. I mean, um, I’ve been joking half seriously, half jokingly for, since we started this podcast that I’m a quote unquote recovering, conservative. Um, and I think the heart of where I’m at with joking about that as more of like, just tell me if I’m wrong, I’m I’m not so stuck on what the value sets that I was raised with that I’m not willing to reflect on them.

Um, and in some ways I still think I am. More conservative than my liberal friends would like me to be. And I’m okay with that. I don’t know, but it’s about where your head space is at it’s, whether or not you’re willing to entertain that you could be wrong and the humility that comes with it and be able to have these conversations, I think is really important.

And then the, uh, the only other thing that I’d like to take away is I I’d like to read these comments. Well,

Emily: [00:42:26] I really want to read some of these columns. Can I, can I start? I have a favorite.

Andrew: [00:42:29] What’s your favorite?

Emily: [00:42:30] My favorite is, uh, Corey Redford said is playing guitar. The only quality qualification for being a quote guitarist nowadays, because there’s a list of 20 things that I would ask this guy before I felt confident that he is what he says he is.

Don’t let male guitars water down the definition of, of what it means to be a real guitarist. That’s my favorite, because I’ve heard this so much. I’ve been quiz for everything that I like, you know, any men have introduced the replacements to me. Jesus a lot.

Andrew: [00:43:06] Um, I think I I’m trying, I’m looking here. Um, I really like this one is that there’s a bit of it. This comes from an Kilgore Cooper. There’s a bit of a difference between a musician and someone having a little hobby. I’m sure he enjoys it though. And it does mean he can play a few little tunes to his children.

Emily: [00:43:24] Man I’ve gotten this, like, not quite verbatim, but once someone did tell me like, Oh, but your kids are gonna grow up thinking mommy rocks. I’m like, what?

Andrew: [00:43:36] Right. And the other one that’s in the comments like towards the top of the list is from Gina. Kay is I think it’s great. As a modern woman, I fully support men having hobbies.

Emily: [00:43:46] Oh, and then to go off of that one, Angela Reed, I think it’s cute. When men have hobbies should probably be tighter and show his arms. I’m an arm woman also where’s the smile and maybe clean up his hair women. Aren’t attracted to boys straggly hair. Yep. That’s so good.

Andrew: [00:44:05] Yeah, I, I, I laugh, but I also laugh like with a little bit of like, but if you, if you flip the, the gender role here, it becomes so painful.

So fast. It’s like

Emily: [00:44:19] cringe. Like

Andrew: [00:44:21] it’s like as a CIS het white guy, I’m like, you’re making me look bad, man. Come on.

Emily: [00:44:29] You have right name an all male rock band that actually rocks. It’s just not something they’re good at. He should smile. You should smile. Oh. So out of these boys, they’ll have a go at anything these days. Cause like some of these like, like show, cause you get these as women, like you go girl kind of thing.

And you’re like, I know that you’re like trying to be supportive. You really are, but you’re just. You’re you’re making it sound like it’s different.

Andrew: [00:44:59] Like, like

Emily: [00:45:00] what would you say that to a dude? I mean, you would say, I would say that to like any gender child, like, Oh, hell yeah. That kid kicks ass, like, like amazing world.

Um, but like an adult, like Cod that’s really. Is it is the word patronizing, because it

Andrew: [00:45:18] feels like the word is nice. So, I mean, so the comments we’ve read so far kind of harken back to maybe a more archaic mindset. And so you might be listening to this going like, well, I wouldn’t ever say that in reverse, but maybe if you’re

Emily: [00:45:31] a lot of people do

Andrew: [00:45:33] will do, but it sounds really extreme.

So maybe here, here’s a couple of comments that I’m looking at that seem a little bit more subversive and not quite as like direct, um, But I see frequently is really hard to see as I, so here’s one from, um, Amelie. Uh Brahmi I just butchered that name. I’m so sorry. Um, and people only listen to his mediocre guitar playing because he’s a man.

If he were a woman, he’d actually have to learn to play good for him. He’s got looks though. I’m sure his little guitar matches his pretty hair.

Emily: [00:46:05] Women actually do have to be like twice as good as men to get half the respect. For sure. Yeah. Well,

Andrew: [00:46:10] it’s taking a dig at that trope of like women who just post generic videos of them playing poorly, get so much attention because they’ve got tits.

I mean, that’s, that’s, that’s the implication that I see so many people saying, Oh, well, the only reason why you’re liking this. And as if that’s, you know, the thing that kills me is I think there’s an element of truth to it, but. The, the onus doesn’t land on the woman, in that the onus lands on all the creepy old dudes.

They’re like fast forward to 43 seconds and you can see a jiggle. I’m like, Oh,

Emily: [00:46:42] that’s not what the focus of the shot.

Andrew: [00:46:46] The problem is not the woman who’s putting herself out there saying, Hey, I can play guitar. The problem is the guys that are getting all creepy, like, Hmm, let me grab the lotion. And maybe, uh, and at the end of this video, I’ll switch over to PornHub.

Like it’s so uncool. But, but people actually say this sort of thing, and it’s not

Emily: [00:47:05] quite as direct. A lot of them think it, a lot of them think things like, like this one by Kiersten Fletcher, wait till he has a baby. He won’t want this rock life anymore. Once his father instincts kick in, it’s really just a phase.

There’s another one. Uh, Alexandra show stack. He just learned guitar. So it could be quite one of the girls and meet his future wife that way. Right. He probably can’t actually play. I mean, you, you, you like, there are people who think these things like she just wants to be one of the guys. Oh, once she’s a mom, she won’t want to do this anymore.

Um, um, dah, dah, dah, dah should not encourage a hobby. This hobby. And man, I don’t even see gender. It’s only an issue when all, when males make it an issue, which they do all the time. Um,

Andrew: [00:47:50] I be like

Emily: [00:47:51] record.

Andrew: [00:47:53] I liked that this comment, which is where do they put their wieners when they play guitar? I’m like, well, the problem with that is because guys have been designing guitars.

That’s why it fits their bodies.

Emily: [00:48:05] Look at,

Andrew: [00:48:06] look at guitars that are designed by women or for women. They’re very different for a reason.

Emily: [00:48:13] Sometimes they’re different. Sometimes they’re not, I mean, Sure. Um, but the blah, blah, blah. I only know of a male basis. I don’t know of any men who want to aspire to be a male guitarist.

Good for Andy for wanting to aim that high though, by not Davies. Good for you. Good for you for wanting to try. Oh my God. I’m not sexist. I just think that boy bands aren’t as good as real bands. That’s why they don’t get as many festival gigs. There’s no need to turn it into my identity politics. Like all these boys need to do.

Andrew: [00:48:46] Sure. And so as the comments start digging deep, I think the comments that got the most likes are the ones that were so blatantly, like, yes, these are things we hear them. We can all agree that those are bad, but it’s the ones you start scrolling down and you start looking at the more sinister. Not quite as direct that the less obvious

Emily: [00:49:05] a lot of musical women in his family.

I, yeah, no, that’s, that’s another one. It’s like the same. And I think that especially women who are into cars are probably going to hear something like that a lot. Like, Oh, did you just really hang out with your dad a lot? I’m like, well, maybe their mom did that kind of stuff. Like I’m, mom’s Theresa I play.

Andrew: [00:49:26] And the, the word I keep coming back to is the side, the conversation I had with mrs. Smith earlier this week, it was like, it’s putting an asterisk. Uh it’s. It’s it’s implying that there’s a gimmick. That’s just so. Ruined us and angering some anyways. Um, that’s all I’ve got before my blood pressure starts getting out of hand.

No, this is, this is me getting upset. I know.

Emily: [00:49:51] Gosh, it’s like the it’s like you’re getting feisty. Like you listen back to it later and I, you have to be like, Oh, that wasn’t. So it wasn’t so fun. I

Andrew: [00:50:00] feel like every time I get feisty, like started pushing back on, like I go, I go, listen back, Mike. Ooh, punk. You barely even like spoke up

Emily: [00:50:11] now.

Meanwhile, I got a weird email this week and was like, the more I read it, like the first one rambling now, whatever. And then I read it again. I’m like, that’s ridiculous. Like everything in this is stupid. Like what the hell is this? Ridiculous. And she’s like, Yes. Yes.

Andrew: [00:50:28] Um, yeah, so final call-out before, uh, because I know you got things to do, places to be.

I have to

Emily: [00:50:35] pull up, I don’t finish filming these pod go demos. You’re never going to get it. So,

Andrew: [00:50:40] um, Uh, send you that direction. But first I’m going to point out that I wore the shirt because I wanted to share off, uh, sheriff show off my love for in and out. But then like the, the microphone placements would covering up my shirt for most of the episode.

That’s really bothering me. So here’s my internet shirt. And, uh, there’s the whole, whole back.

Emily: [00:51:01] If you’re watching the podcast that made more sense, I’m wearing an old blood noise endeavors shirt.

Andrew: [00:51:05] Um, and yeah, that’s yeah, another call-out if you’re not watching the podcast on YouTube and you have the opportunity to, uh, do whatever works best for you, but just know that it’s an option, know that it’s there and know that, uh, I swear that my face, you stare at my face.

Like it’s hard to look at at first, but give it 20 minutes. You’ll settle it and it’ll start to look normal, maybe familiar even, I don’t know.

Emily: [00:51:30] Maybe. Um, let’s see. Let’s I actually go, I want to take a look to see what other demos I’ve been wanting to do with this pod go and I want to run it by you. Do you think it’d be worth it to just go through some of the sound settings?

Andrew: [00:51:45] Yes.

Emily: [00:51:46] Okay.

Andrew: [00:51:47] Yeah. Yeah.

Emily: [00:51:50] That’s probably what I’m going to do. So yeah. I’m going to go through, do a potential additional videos with the different amps and probably the cabinets as much as I can with it being like reasonable, because there’s so much, there’s so much in this puddle.

Andrew: [00:52:04] Yeah.

Emily: [00:52:06] Yeah. Distortion, modulation delays, reverbs.

There’s a lot of things.

Andrew: [00:52:11] There’s a ton in there. I think, I think the huge value out of a video like that, because it’s, it’s meant to, it’s a pedal unit that’s geared for beginners, uh, meant to be something like kinda more palatable. I think if you can show truly how user-friendly it is minus software bugs, but factory reach that obviously, um,

Emily: [00:52:30] fix that.

Andrew: [00:52:32] Right. So being able to show that and just kind of make it a little less intimidating, cause like, even for me, like I’ve been playing guitar and playing around with effects and whatnot for long enough. Like I still don’t like the idea of like LCD screens, like getting into menu diving always kind of wigs me out.

And so I, I think I can’t be alone in that. And I think I’ve been told over and over again that this product really is user-friendly really is beginner friendly and really is meant to help you get into the music and start playing. And I think that to be able to show that would be huge.

Emily: [00:53:00] Very very easy.

Once you kind of figure out which buttons to push at which times I thought it was really easy. Like you can hear the different sounds as you scroll down, then if you’re building it on the board, if you’re using the app, um, the software that you download, uh, I didn’t try the whole line playing along, uh, like while I had that open, but it does show you like visually what those effects look like.

Um, So like if it has a name and you’re like, I don’t really know what that name means. Like Minotaur, you look and it looks like a clown. And then you’re like, okay, that’s what that is. Or like, you look at like, Oh, that’s the S one that says yes to that. Yes. I’m a tube screamer. Yeah. Like, so if you, if you know what the things are, it starts to make more sense, but like building them on the little device since it’s not like for me, it’s like, it would be bad.

It would be harder if it were a touch screen. So that’s not a touch screen. It saves a lot of, I think the pain in the ass stuff that you often have with, um, screenings, but cool. Well, uh, for everyone out there watching, uh, please check us out on patrion.com/get offset. Check out the offset podcast.com for merchant more.

Um, please rate review on iTunes, subscribe on the YouTube. Um, thanks for watching.

Andrew: [00:54:17] Thanks for listening.

Emily: [00:54:18] Thanks for understanding until next time. My name is Emily

Andrew: [00:54:21] and my name is Andrew.