This week, Emily and Andrew are joined by Oliver from Death By Audio. They talk about cats, satanic messages on old kids records, which indie stars are probably Russian agents, and what exactly was in Pooh Bear’s honey bucket.
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Episode Transcript
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[00:00:00] Emily: welcome to the Get Offset podcast. My name is Emily
Andrew: and I’m Andrew.
Emily: And we’re here with all Oliver from death by audio effects.
Oliver: How’s it going?
Emily: Welcome. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. It is late where you are.
Oliver: Uh, yeah, some may say who knows, you know, midnight, whatever, you know. Yeah. This place still got hours before they go close.
So we’re all right.
Emily: Yeah. Midnight in New York is, is different than midnight in Seattle.
Oliver: I think so. Yeah, almost everywhere. You know, they’re kind of like, we’re going to bed and I’m like, what are you talking about? But you know, that’s okay. I used to stay up all the time until like maybe noon, but [00:01:00] I don’t do that anymore.
He would
Emily: stay up until noon and then he’d sleep until like eight,
Oliver: maybe
Emily: five. Five
Oliver: he’s sleeping, waking him up, you know? So
Emily: that’s a very musician schedule. Yeah. Yeah. College kids and musicians sounds like,
Oliver: I guess so. Yeah, it was right there just to be hanging out with the college kids. Yeah.
Emily: I remember that when I was in college, I said music business, and sometimes we’d have to go into the studio and they were all working studios during the day.
So everyone during the day is their classes are actual people who had booked the studio, like real musicians. So then, uh, if you were a student and you had to like go into the studio to record your project, it had to be like 9:00 PM or later. So 9:00 PM, not too late, that goes till midnight. But then the 12:00 PM sessions.
Oliver: What are the places?
Emily: I think they tried to close them around three [00:02:00] 30. Ah, Yeah, not too bad.
Oliver: Yeah. I’m excited.
Emily: I mean, this was a Nashville. Nashville’s nothing fun happening in Nashville. No, there was only one pizza place that would deliver up until 4:00 AM. And you got food poisoning every time you ate there.
But if you’re ordering pizza at the time, when they are the only pizza place open, you do it.
Oliver: You got to.
Emily: Last time I was in Nashville. That’s for a series of, uh, sorry. Uh, last time I was in Nashville for a series of a whole study shows. After the last show, we all go back to the, the house and one of the guys, he just really wants a pizza.
It’s like two 30 in the morning. It’s only that one pizza place open. I keep telling him, man, you’re going to you’re to huh? You’re going to borrow later, you’re going to get real sick. If you’re lucky. That’s if you’re lucky and he’s like, that’s a risk I’m willing to take. And he messaged me later, he’s like, Oh my gosh, what did I do twice?
Oliver: You are so right. Yeah.
[00:03:00] Emily: Wow. Yeah,
Oliver: no competition though. So whatever they conserve cardboard covered in rotten trash, if they want to.
Emily: Yeah. Yeah. As long as it tastes half decent
Oliver: and even if not, whatever.
Andrew: Capitalism.
Oliver: Well, they’re used to what was around the corner from me and the pizza seriously tasted like cardboard, but the only place in the area.
So there you go.
Emily: Might’ve been cardboard. Did they still do the places still have like dollar slice nights or hours?
Oliver: There’s just dollar slice pizza places all over the place where it’s just all day on my end. The pizza is incredible.
Emily: Yeah. I remember being in New York and doing the data dollar pizzas and the 75 cent bagels.
Oliver: Yeah. They have all that stuff, you know, $3 if you only had,
Andrew: I’ve had some really sketchy slices of pizza in my lifetime. And you know, you [00:04:00] kind of like you’re staring at it, like maybe it’s cardboard or maybe it’s Maybelline, which I know that just took a very, very dark, like,
Oliver: what are you going to his advertisers already?
Wow. That’s pretty good.
Emily: Oh, I wear so much makeup. No, I’m not that kind of lady. I realized that I might, I think insula, Koski, isn’t always in her demos, but I think that she and I might be the only demo artists who have to feel compelled to wear makeup and demos.
Oliver: You feel compelled or you don’t come down?
Emily: It depends on the day I have about 50 50 on makeup. I have, I mean, I’ve, I’ve been working from home for so long. I just kind of stopped wearing makeup and sometimes deodorant
Oliver: UK. Then why not? Right?
Emily: I can it’s Seattle’s not that hot.
Oliver: Yeah.
Emily: My husband doesn’t care. My cat certainly doesn’t care. Or
Andrew: maybe your cat does care.
Cats do have sensitive noses.
Emily: Yeah. I just figured cats probably [00:05:00] think humans smell bad regardless. Or maybe
Oliver: they love it. I don’t know. You know, our cats sometimes go digging through the trash and all sorts of stuff. So, you know, they like some weird smells. Their food is terrible smelling as well, too. So
Emily: it is, yeah.
I mean, to us,
Oliver: I don’t know yet.
Emily: I want to hear more about the cats though.
Oliver: So, uh, we have two cats and a cat named NACA and VLV, but also, uh, Heather, my girlfriend’s brother was in a motorcycle or like a scooter accident. And so now we have two other cats at our studio, so the carer of four cats. And so it’s kinda like.
They kind of look alike, both sets of cats too. So it’s like, it’s kinda like wherever I go, there’s a bunch of cats. It’s pretty great.
Emily: Nice. Oh good cats. I hope they’re good cats. They’re
Oliver: pretty good. You know, whatever they get [00:06:00] into stuff and, you know, cloth stuff, they shouldn’t and whatever, but Hey, that’s what a cat’s life is all about.
Emily: Yeah. That’s why I don’t let her in, in that room with the amplifiers, without me also being in here.
Oliver: Oh, yeah. At least they’re not the cats that like scratch the sides of records. Those are not good cats.
Emily: Yeah. She’s only scratched at the sofa a couple of times. Then we got her a scratching posts, which weirdly she only uses when you’re also scratching her, like next to the scratching post.
So it’s like scratches are powered by scratches. It’s, it’s one of her weirder. And like, I don’t know if it’s annoying, it’s just kind of like a thing. That’s gotta
Andrew: be some sort of like a cat intimidation thing, like instead of like pissing on your bed, like asserting dominance, like, no, I’m just going to scratch this post staring at you vigorously.
Oliver: Oh yeah. Maybe next time this’ll be your face or something.
Emily: She’s only hissed at me once and I did deserve it.
[00:07:00] Oliver: Well, it sounds like a pretty good cat.
Emily: Yeah. She’s actually a great princess. Carrie Fisher.
Oliver: Oh, that’s
Emily: right. She’s a little, sometimes I’ll just look at her, especially if have like, had an edible and I’ll look at her and say, you’re just so small.
You’re just so little. It just blows my mind. How small she is.
Oliver: Yeah. There you go. One of our cats is ginormous, like a huge cat
Andrew: ginormous. Like let’s start with weight.
Oliver: I don’t know how much the cow weighs, it’s getting skinnier. And so maybe it used to weigh like 18 pounds or something.
Emily: Is that big?
Andrew: That’s fairly large.
It’s not the reason why
Oliver: it’s just giant. It’s like right bigger than any other cat kind of cat.
Andrew: Yeah. The reason why I ask is I’ve got one of my two cats, his, I, his name is Percy and he’s like 18 to 20 pounds. He’s just huge.
Emily: Which is great. He’s not bad either.
Andrew: No, [00:08:00] it’s just rippling muscle.
Oliver: Yeah. It’s all muscle.
That’s what I always say. People sometimes will say, but no, no, it’s muscle. It’s a strong cat too. It’ll do that kind of thing where someone will be like, Oh, this cat’s not intimidating. And then it’ll like, take his claws and stick it into that. Person’s face or something, you know,
Emily: like
Andrew: starting dominance.
There’s not a scratching post nearby, a face. We’ll do
Emily: assert, uh, is it her.
Oliver: Excuse.
Emily: Oh yeah. Well, I feel like pricey sometimes that asserts his dominance by taking a dump right before you’re set to record your podcast next to the litter box.
Andrew: Just any time that I sit down at my desk, because my desk is like in the study area.
It’s right next to the laundry room where the litter boxes. And every time I sit down within 20 minutes of sitting down at my desk, just a massive disgustingly stinky dump.
Oliver: Yeah, well, and
[00:09:00] Andrew: that’s how I know the coffee’s ready
Oliver: just randomly, right?
Andrew: I mean, who knows?
Oliver: It’s not that often, uh,
Andrew: I would say probably two to three days out of five days a week that I sit down on my desk.
Oliver: That is insane.
Emily: Yeah, it was pretty intentional on,
Andrew: and I don’t always sit down at my desk at the same time. So it’s pretty intentional.
Oliver: Yeah. Maybe afraid of the litter box or something like that.
Andrew: Uh,
Emily: maybe I just need a,
Andrew: I need, you know, what I need to do. I need to pull the, uh, the passive aggressive guitarist, um, roommate move and just point a four by 12 at the litter box and just turn everything out to 11.
Oliver: Yeah, exactly. The cat will run, although it would probably just move someplace else. Well,
Andrew: it’ll probably like just actively as it walks.
Emily: Well, Andrew. Fine.
[00:10:00] Oliver: I gotta cut that
Emily: with one of these guys.
The thing is Andrew’s the reason, like he was more of the driving force behind like not having customers cause he’s, you know, a little more family friendly. And I, and I’m like, yeah, I remember when my parents wouldn’t let me listen to music. I had cuss words and that’s what I’m cool with that I didn’t even thought of it, but then he’s the one who causes on the podcast.
And then
Andrew: it happens about I’m about half to maybe two thirds of a customer on average per podcast.
Emily: It’s half to two thirds.
My favorite was when was when we had Louise on. And I guess I had forgotten from, to Warcraft devices on, and I guess I kind of forgot to mention the customer thing. And she started discussing like, yeah, I guess I’m just going to cuss, like I’m already editing like a lot of this.
[00:11:00] Oliver: Yeah, totally. They’re so sweet. Yeah. College or something, right?
Emily: Yeah. And she’s working at a great company now. Got her dream job, basically.
Oliver: Where
Emily: does she work? In a band camp.
Oliver: Oh, cool.
Emily: Yeah. So I had to pick up that last chance to get an Auclair thunder. No regrets, no regrets.
I don’t, I don’t. I have a couple of their pedals and they’re all great. Like I love the Grazer Sosa so much. Oh yeah. Man. Yeah. We’re just like talking about other people’s panel companies. I’m sorry.
Oliver: Fine. Whatever. Those are way better pedals anyways. So,
Emily: Oh, now you can say that because they don’t really sell them new anymore.
Andrew: Oh, have the folks you heard it here first?
[00:12:00] Oliver: That’s all right. I’ll come back. I’m sure they can’t stop once they remember how fun it is to build pedals. They’ll go back to it.
Emily: Yeah. I mean, it was just like, uh, uh, for now
you can still buy new from them, their body mine, which I really like and kind of wanted to get. And they’re Reese lightning, which is a funny name, such good names,
Oliver: so good people. Always doing cool stuff. So it’s awesome.
Andrew: Well, now that we’re chatting everything, uh, all over, what are you drinking?
Oliver: Uh, Lagunitas hazy memory IPA.
And the only reason I remember that is cause it’s written on the can.
Andrew: Uh, if you could describe that in three words, how would you describe it?
Oliver: Um, arm pit deliciousness.
Emily: Oh, wow. I sure you’re not. You’re he’s scotch.
Andrew: Scotch is delightful.
[00:13:00] Oliver: I love Scott. Yeah, of course. No, I dunno. I just, I mean, I love IPS, but for some reason it just always kind of reminds me of an armpit, but Hey, that’s just me.
Maybe not that
Emily: complex flavors really slow you down.
Oliver: I don’t know. Yeah. Maybe.
Andrew: I mean,
Oliver: I’m not sure I will drink anything like straight up anything. So. Yeah.
Emily: My husband always started drinking, like the weird stuff in college because he realized that he bought like weird dark unique beer, that it wouldn’t get stolen out of the fridge.
Like the Miller high lives. Wood is smart, man.
Oh, I love that guy. I say about my husband. I love that guy.
[00:14:00] I mean, it’s like, I’m glad. The, I, I just hope that people are getting past that weird boomer humor of like, I hate my wife.
Oliver: Oh yeah. I don’t know. Those jokes are always kind of, you know, I don’t know. You’re know you’re red redneck when you’re, you know, whatever.
Emily: Yeah. It’s like at my bachelorette party, some drunk lady grabbed me at some point during the evening and she said, yeah, Tilt.
It’s like, don’t what get married. Like she’s
not touching me.
Oliver: Great. Yeah, that could be too bad. Right?
Emily: Don’t don’t marry someone you hate. It’s just, I don’t, I’m not gonna say it’s easy. Just like maybe don’t do that.
Oliver: I think also people, you know, there’s like that kind of [00:15:00] what they call it, like the honeymoon period or something, and they kind of rush into marriages and then you don’t know the person you’re dealing with until you give it some time.
So, yeah.
Emily: Yeah. I mean, he did move in like three months after we started dating, but we waited three years to get married. Well,
Oliver: that’s awesome. I mean, you could be even Russian and get married, like on your first date with someone who’s awesome. You don’t know.
Andrew: Okay. Yeah. But marrying a Russian is an entirely different thing altogether.
Oliver: Fantastic cabbage, all that
Emily: stuff then beets.
Loves it when I was sorry, what
Oliver: have you guys been to Russia?
Emily: No, but my dad went to Russia. So when I was little, he put my brother and I both in this program and this inside public school where we took half our classes in Russian every day, my brother [00:16:00] can still read Cyrillic. I cannot, I retain very little of it.
My most vivid memory of Russian class, which I did for two or three years, was looking down at a bingo card. We were playing bingo and Russian, and it was all farm animals on the bingo card. And I just staring at it while the teacher’s reading out these animal names in Russian. And I like, I’m not going to win.
I don’t, I don’t know any of these words I remembered
uh, especially, even postural stuff.
Oliver: That sounds fantastic.
Emily: Yes. No. Hello goodbye please. Thank you.
Oh, sorry. Have you both been to Russia?
Oliver: I’ve been many times or a few times. Yeah, that’s great.
Emily: That’s awesome.
Oliver: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. The train while it’s really cool. Yeah,
Emily: my dad, my dad has a story about being at the airport and there were like slot [00:17:00] machines at the airport. He was coming home and he had some rubles left to his fuck.
And he’s like, well, I guess I better just like put these in the machines. He’s like, and I kept wedding. It was so stupid. And he’s like, I just want to get rid of these freaking rubles.
Yeah. But Andrew you’ve been to Russia. I knew you would live in Germany.
Andrew: No. Yeah. So I haven’t been to Russia. Uh, the closest I’ve been, uh, would probably be the summer internship I spent in Poland,
Oliver: Poland
Andrew: kind of all over. We were, uh, the home base was , um, spent a little bit of time in and, um, a bit of time in woods and then it was kind of just all over the country.
Oh,
Oliver: cool.
Andrew: That sounds awesome. It was a good time. Um, but as you can imagine, they don’t, they’re not terribly fond of the Russians, so
Oliver: for sure. Yeah. Well, all those borders are not very fond of the Russians at all.
Andrew: You’re spot
[00:18:00] Oliver: on stuff that people are like ready to go to battle.
Emily: Yeah. I worked with a woman from the, she was from the Ukraine and she was, uh, basically evacuated from the Ukraine when she was very young.
And since where she’d lived in, the Ukraine has become Russia again. And she can’t go back to Russia because they would revoke her American citizen or make her revoke her American citizenship. So she could never go back and see family.
Oliver: Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah,
Oliver: awkward places are really intense. I was in like and like this guy who was going to drive over the border was, um, he was like, if he went over the border, that was like the one time he could go in 10 years or something.
And so we were like, don’t come over the border with us. This is terrible. Your one chance to get out of the country, don’t waste it on us. So, uh, there’s definitely like oppression and stuff like that. Going on.
Emily: Totally that being said, Saint Basil’s cathedral is the background on my computer.
Oliver: Oh, wow.
Awesome.
Emily: I’ve always wanted to [00:19:00] go. Yeah. Now, you know, now it didn’t retain any of the language, but there’s some good stuff there. Totally. I remember when I lived in New York, I was interning at the Beggar’s group Matador records. And that year they were having their Christmas party at a Russian bar. And I was only 20, but it was 21 to get in.
I really wanted to go in, I really wanted to go to the party and I really wanted to do the, uh, the vodka tasting, uh, which I, I missed cause I got there too late, but, uh, I was like, I was just, I called up my friend Merriam, who had been in Russia. And I was like, can you teach me like how to say, like, is this where the Christmas party is?
Whereas it in Russia or whatever. And I like, cause I’m like, if maybe the doorman is actually Russian and if I speak Russian, he’ll let me in without checking my ID. And I go, I say, and I say, however, you said it I’m like, ah, Let’s see, I mean, where’s the Christmas party and he’s like, he looks at me, [00:20:00] he just says is upstairs.
Andrew: I hear, I hear the winning, move this to say, yeah, machine that I am the machine. Anybody seen that sketch?
Okay. So hear me out on this, where there’s this comedian named Brett Kraischer I think is how you pronounce his last name and he’s as like overweight, middle aged white dude, that performs comedy without a shirt on it’s great.
Oliver: I’ll write his name down. That sounds good.
Andrew: And he’s got this sketch called the machine about the summer internship.
He took in Russia where he ended up being a part of the Russian mafia. And it’s one of those, like you get done with it. You’re like, well, I don’t know if I totally believe it, but there’s enough there that’s compelling.
Oliver: They’re probably not picky when you’re walking through all that stuff in Russia. Like everyone’s got that like black sweater and like a gold chain [00:21:00] kind of thing. Right.
Emily: Yeah, a stereotype for a reason,
God. Uh, but at this Christmas party, I got to watch my boss drunkenly explain that she chose to eat the duck for dinner because when she was young, she went to a park and a duck terrorized her at a park. Yes. Then I saw Michael Stipe and I was like, Oh wow. And then I went back to the dorm and was trying to explain people.
I saw Michael Stipe at a Christmas party and everyone’s response was. Who’s that?
Andrew: Wait is Michael Stipe, a part of the Russian mafia.
Emily: Let’s start that rumor right now.
Oliver: Yeah, exactly.
Emily: Arm of the Russian mafia
Oliver: makes sense. Shiny, happy people. It’s all about breakup and all sorts of stuff.
Emily: How automatic for the people?
Andrew: Why else would he lose his religion? If [00:22:00] not to join the KGB,
Emily: I think we’re onto something collectively
Oliver: or is it just room?
Andrew: And his orange crushes, clearly his orange crushes, clearly Donald Trump, another authoritarian leader.
Emily: Alright. And
Andrew: so Emily, what are you drinking?
Emily: I’m drinking some Bombay, Sapphire Jen with a mixer. Uh, all of the, um, I think it’s called. I forget what’s called it’s from a company called , but it’s their botanical one. So it’s very lavender with a touch of lemon. I put it in my whale shaped cocktail shaker, shook it up with some ice.
Got a real nice and cold. And the the light full
Oliver: sounds. Fantastic. I’d
Emily: love those mixers because I am way too lazy to make a fancy pants cocktail.
Oliver: Oh yeah.
Andrew: Chances are decent. I would definitely direct
Emily: that. [00:23:00] Yeah. When people can join each other again, and each other’s company, you should try it.
Oliver: There we go.
Andrew: All right, well, I’ll uh, will put it on the calendar for 2023.
Oliver: What are you drinking? Andrew?
Andrew: I’m having a riff on a Poloma in which I measured
Emily: nothing.
Andrew: I’ve got to Keela squirt and a grapefruit seltzer water, kind of just haphazardly mixed in a pint glass with mice.
Oliver: Nice.
Emily: Turn up your volume. Uh,
Andrew: I I’m I’m my volume is my input gain is dimed, so I don’t know why it’s coming through quiet.
Emily: It’s so quiet, dude.
Andrew: There’s all the very experiencing the same thing.
Oliver: I can go louder too. I got more input going to go.
Emily: Oh, Oliver is a great volume. I just you’re quite quiet. I don’t understand why sometimes you’re [00:24:00] like a very aggressive, loud volume, and sometimes it’s nothing and it can be the same setting.
It’s so weird
Andrew: now I blame the internet
Emily: that could yeah. Yeah. Thought you were that good. Good internet.
Andrew: Uh, no, no, it’s not. I have the good, good internet.
Look, I work in it. All I have to do is say, Oh yeah, it’s gotta be something. It’s something that is up with the server. And then that just, I wash my hands of it said, let me go talk to the server guy. Do we have a server guy? It doesn’t matter. Give it 15 minutes when the issue goes away. Suddenly people think that I fixed it and then I get promoted.
That’s pretty much my day job.
Emily: That was like when I was on vacation with my mom and I was trying to torrent all of sex in the city and she kept complaining about the internet and I’d be like, just go reset the router, just go reset the router. And then she’d go to reset the router. I go, and I would pause.
The [00:25:00] a torrent and then she’d be like, Oh, that breaks everything. And then I would just do it again. I’m sorry, mom. I’m so sorry, mom.
Andrew: Yeah, I know. Just so we’re clear. It’s not actually what my day job is. Like, I swear I’m more competent than that,
Oliver: but yeah, watch out there might be like listening to your podcast and then there’ll be like,
Andrew: there’s a couple of my coworkers who I am rather fond of that listen to this podcast.
And, uh, they know that I’m joking and we actually do have a server guy he’s awesome. And is really good at his
Oliver: job. Well, that’s great.
Andrew: I am not the server guy.
Oliver: You’re not the server. You’re not talking about yourself.
Andrew: I’m not, no, I am not the server guy. I’m the conferencing guy.
Emily: Yeah. You know, our marketing girl is just so good here.
Damn. Our marketing girl knows exactly what she’s doing all the time.
Oliver: She’s so good.
Emily: Oh, she is so good at [00:26:00] marketing. So good at the SEO and Facebook ads cost per click.
Oliver: Oh, wow. That’s cool. I don’t know what that is, but that sounds good.
Emily: It’s me.
Andrew: It sounds like we’ve been drinking. Why don’t we hit our ads now that you guys are all convinced of how honest we are.
Oliver: Listen to these.
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Andrew: So now that we’ve established that I, I I’m incredibly shallow and I’m sold on the color alone. I’m going to put you on the spot and I’m going to ask, can I steal that pedal from you temporarily?
Emily: I have to film the demo of it first.
I really want to do right by Dan. So I’m working a little bit extra hard on it. That’s not, I don’t always work hard on demos all over.
I just [00:29:00] kinda want to do like a full intro with it and stuff. Cause it’s
Andrew: well, that was an excellent and compelling answer. That didn’t really answer my question. Can I steal it at some point?
Oliver: Yeah.
Emily: Oh, yeah, sure. Fine, whatever. Okay, cool. Cool. Am I going to get it back though? Cause
Andrew: I mean, I did say steal and I kind of left it nebulous on purpose.
So we’ll find
Emily: out, well, if I get the rooms to demo, you are not stealing it. If you don’t promise to give it back, I to tell you that much.
Andrew: All right. All right. All right.
All right. So now that we’re done with ads, I have some questions that just need to be answered. And, uh, the first one right off the top of the list is why is dying by audio? The best way to die?
Oliver: I have no idea, man. You told me, I think maybe. Um, you know, why not? Right. I mean, I always [00:30:00] thought if to die would be the best way to be like, jump off something really talk.
So, you know, the moments to like, think this was a really bad idea, you know, I guess it sounded cool to die by audio. So I was like, yeah, that sounds like a good way. It’s
Emily: not at all. And aren’t you in the loudest band in New York. So don’t you try really hard to cause, but that’s by audio,
Oliver: I guess. So, yeah.
Try to push yourself to that limit of, I’ll probably die by audio, I guess. Right? In my own kind of, uh, you know, the future
Emily: for the listeners at home. What’s your band’s name?
Oliver: A place to bury strangers.
Emily: Ah, sure. I’m sad. Some of your records
Oliver: could be
Emily: as lots of great stuff. Are you still allowed to [00:31:00] spend in New York when dinosaur Junior’s in town?
Of
Oliver: course. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, but I mean, it was definitely one of the loudest shows I’ve ever seen. At least I can remember that. I remember there was, went to the show at the boat house in Norfolk. Uh, Virginia and there was this band on and they were so loud. It was just insane. And I’m yelling into my friend’s ear.
Right. You know, we couldn’t even talk to each other and then dinosaur jr. Came on and they were like 10 times as loud as them. So.
Emily: I think the loudest I’ve ever heard a show is when I saw subtract at Bonnaroo. And it was just like, I thought I was going to barf. It was so much space I had to leave. I’ve never had to, I’ve never had to leave because I thought that the music was actually going to make me seasick.
Oliver: Sometimes that happens.
Emily: Yeah, it was still awesome. And that first trip.
Oliver: Uh, you know, playing shows or otherwise, you know, you would just be kind of like [00:32:00] feel bored or you’re just standing around and like what you would imagine as your living room or something. So if things are crazy loud, like you don’t know where the show’s going and you don’t know what’s about to happen.
So, uh, it’s thrilling.
Emily: It’s thrilling. That’s a great way to describe it. I’m I’m really miss going to thrilling shows.
Oliver: I know, right. I keep on thinking. Should I buy some like, Battery powered PAs or a generator or something and throw shows around here, but I don’t know. We’ll see. What would
Emily: the regulations be around that?
Oliver: I think they’d just be like, who cares? Because, you know, it’s just mayhem on the streets in reality, around here because of, you know, nobody wants to like seriously, you know, mess with people or anything like that. And things are kind of like in a really weird. No situation where people are kind of like fed up with the situation with stuff and kind of just barely kind of getting stuffed together as much [00:33:00] as they possibly can.
And it’s like, there’s all these regulations and stuff in New York. I’m like what you need to do to open up your business and do all this stuff. But, you know, I talk to other business owners about this and they’ve never even heard of substance and stuff. So I think it’s sort of a free for all.
Emily: Yeah, it’s a, the last thing you do is actually like, my mom was just on a plane and the guy behind her didn’t want to wear a mask and she asked the flight attendants, like, is there anything you can do?
Like, and they basically said, well, the thing is like, if we keep pushing people, we don’t know if they’re going to start spitting on us and coughing on us on purpose or like it and stuff. So it was kind of like this thing where yeah, there are rules, but
Andrew: what are they telling
Emily: me? Nobody wants to enforce them because you don’t know how the people are going to respond.
I mean, just today, like a black, I got a gun pulled on him because he was shaming people for not social distancing on a patio. And a guy just pulled a gun on him
Oliver: when there [00:34:00] was the smoking ban in New York. Some bouncer asked him guy to like, not smoke in the place that he got shot and killed.
Emily: God over a cigarette.
I mean, I don’t like to come between smokers and their cigarettes. That is pretty scary.
Oliver: Yeah.
Andrew: Not recommended, but shouldn’t be lethal.
Emily: Not, not a death sentence kind of thing. Not a terminal crime.
Oliver: That’s the truth. Like who wants to tell these people, like you already know, they’re kind of. But got a screw loose or something if they’re like getting crazy without their mascot or something. So, you know, I don’t know what makes sense. You know, I’ve kind of thought about that for a while. Like walking around, like, should I just hand out masks to people, but then again, you know, who knows, like, there’s those people who are just like you, you know, they take offense to it or something.
And I don’t know
Emily: if people are [00:35:00] unpredictable and that is, you know, just humanity, a little.
Oliver: Yeah.
Emily: Yeah. So, um, didn’t you guys used to have like a, was it a S uh, a warehouse space in Williamsburg where you didn’t live shows?
Oliver: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Emily: Nice. Yeah.
Oliver: Yeah, that was incredible. I mean, just all the incredible artists that kind of came through there and just having a venue at your house is wonderful.
I would suggest it for anyone, you know, there’s all this crazy stuff going on. And like, you know, there’s definitely times when we were like, what, what is happening here? But. Whatever, and you know, all the broken glass and fistfights and whatever are all like, you know, an annoying noise or worth it for all the benefits of, you know, wild, crazy shows and weird things that you never would have seen anymore, you know, meeting people that you maybe would’ve never met and stuff.
So, [00:36:00] yeah.
Emily: That’s the stuff you remember.
Oliver: Yeah, for sure. Definitely. Yeah.
Emily: Nice. So, um, normally we ask this early in the show, um, but what’s, what’s new with you. I hear you all have a new pedal. We’ve already been talking about it.
Oliver: We have that panel, that panel rooms, I guess it came out. I don’t remember the, um, earlier this year, so that puddles exciting.
It was like, A pedal I’m like a reverb fanatic. So, um, uh, it was just a pedal that I’ve had on my pedal board. And it was like constantly redesigning for maybe like two years or something. And then once it seemed like we kind of had something that was really good. It was a Tom Jones, at least the pedal.
Emily: Yeah. And is it your first, am I wrong in thinking that it’s your first pedal that has like mostly digital controls or.
Oliver: It’s not digital controls, but it’s all, it’s a totally [00:37:00] digital pedal.
Emily: So
Oliver: whatever there is a, it does have like a digital, you know, switch or whatever for the program change or something.
But that’s a, you know, a very minor apart what you just digitally controlled analog switch. But, um, it is. Yeah. And so for like, I don’t even know how long, I guess, for the same amount of time that pedal has kind of been started for maybe like two years or something. Uh, but it was a working on that programming language for the SUV one, um, which lots of pedal companies have kind of embraced and gotten into.
And, you know, I’m maybe one of those people who, you know, doesn’t always jump on some of those trains as they come about, but, um, yeah. It seemed pretty excited and lots of people have done lots of cool stuff. So I figured why not?
Emily: And then I know, especially has Andrew and I excited about this, that it has a left and right out stereo
Andrew: hallways when for me.
[00:38:00] Oliver: Yeah, I think so. I mean, if people don’t know the experience of like a stereo setup, it’s so incredible. And, um,
Andrew: Oh, totally. I mean, it’s, it’s life changing.
Oliver: Yeah, for sure. And so, you know, yeah. I mean you have two years or a lot of us do. And, um, I think that that really kind of takes things to the next level, you know, and things like bounce back and forth and the depth and all of that.
And so, um, You know, I used to do all this kind of stuff where I would program all sorts of different, like wrapped units to do all these things and bring them on tour. And it was just nice to be able to, you know, bring the, whatever these years and years of kind of like programming this stuff and be able to build an effect that actually does all that stuff that I wish all of these units had always been able to do.
Andrew: Yeah. So it’s based off your, so you’re running off of the Effie one, right? Yeah. Are you running to Effie ones then if [00:39:00] it’s in, if it’s in stereo or did you manage to sort it out? How to do that at a one ship,
Oliver: it’s all just done with the one ship. And so it has stereo ins and outs and people can use it in all sorts of different ways and, you know, depending on how you program it, it can have, you know, different things talk from the left and the right inputs and go to the left and the right output.
It’s respectively. And so, um, you know, there just lots of, sort of like these kind of like tricks that I would always use and doing like recording mixes, mix downs and stuff, or like mastering for bands and all of these things kind of put in there that maybe people don’t usually use to kind of do like wide stereo spreads and stuff.
And so, um, yeah, I was able to do all of that and, um, No just because I’m a stereo fanatic, I’ve always played with like two amplifiers, like super far apart. And, um, that’s just, I think where the ultimate sound is that.
Emily: Yeah, I think we can [00:40:00] both get behind that.
Andrew: Oh yeah. No, I’ve been, I’ve been having fun for years now trying to run like wet, dry, wet rigs.
Oliver: Oh yeah.
Andrew: Cool. And, or wet, dry, wet, dry rigs. Yeah. There’s a, there’s a bell.
Oliver: There was the bell. I don’t know whether it was coming from an iPad or something like that. Yeah.
Andrew: Something should I be? Salivating is
Oliver: let’s celebrate hell yet. Cheers.
Andrew: Um, Oh, yeah. Yeah. Uh, multi-asset Briggs are always like one of my favorite things.
Uh, like I can, you can always make cools stuff at a one amp, but the possibility is just immediately expound, adding a second amp. You throw in a third amp. Oh yeah. Straight and propane.
Oliver: It’s so true. We used to do this. I used to carry around a, um, A cassette of drums in my car when we would like, if the drummer couldn’t make [00:41:00] it to the show, we would bring all the amps that we had and then run the drums through some of the amps.
And so often it would be like 12 or 15 amps or something. And it sounds insane. It sounds really good.
Emily: That’s awesome.
Oliver: One, even that thing, like that whole multitude idea or whatever, like if you even record a guitar and put like 15 microphones on it or something, it sounds insane. Massive as
Emily: well. Yeah. I mean, same with multi tracking vocals or anything.
More than people pretend, pretend it is.
Andrew: So I I’m sure you’ve been asked this question a lot. Uh, but I mean, it’s just, it’s one of the standout features for me looking at this thing and it’s it’s mode number six, the gong. Mode. Sure. What the [00:42:00] freaking world are we, are we looking at here? Cause I am, I am. So like I’m sitting here, like almost giddy, just thinking about it.
Yeah.
Oliver: So it sort of does this kind of thing where it like the, um, the one knob, uh, like fades between it being like useful and unuseful, if you’re trying to play notes along with people. So it kind of like fades between like a sort of an alias or a kind of like big crusher to the other side of her cycle ring modulator.
That’s what it does just to the reverb effect than it just sounds insane. And so inspired, you know, it sounds at times I can go home. That’s one of the most exciting sounds of it. So, um, yeah. It’s just nuts. And, um, that’s either, you know, if you want to play along with your band with the same key or not either, you know, fades between that being one of the uses or not, but the same kind of like just totally destroyed.
Awesome. Reverb sounds.
[00:43:00] Emily: Was that a question from Noah, Andrew? Awesome.
Andrew: It very well could have been, I don’t know. I. You know, doing a little bit of research and that just by far like the other, the other modes are super rad and there’s some really cool stuff in here, but that one
Oliver: particularly, you know, there you go, come on.
Andrew: I’m incredibly intrigued, like, yeah. Like on the list of like cool, like reverb mode names, I would say I would put that like right above beer.
Oliver: There you go.
Emily: Yeah, that’s a beer sound mode.
Andrew: That was a emphasis, I think.
Emily: Oh, what does this sound like?
Andrew: I don’t know. Cause I haven’t owned one. So the name is catchy.
I got to say I do like beer. So they’ve got me sold on that level. You think? It’s like,
all right, hold up now I’m utilizing [00:44:00] the Google.
Oliver: Yeah. Now we got to know.
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Oliver: Guitar fanatics.
Emily: Uh, I, yeah, I mean, we both have a lot of offset guitars, but you know, it’s just kind of a punny name. I’m a big Prince fan. The first Prince song I remember hearing it was get off, which is, I was way too young to hear that song. Or I see that video texted me.
Andrew: I’m just a dad that likes funds.
[00:45:00] Emily: Yeah. He’s a pun 60 cycle pun. Nobody you remember that get off set. They get off video.
Oliver: I’ve ever seen it.
Emily: It was like a big Khalila kind of orgy. I recommend it. I recommend the extended version despite the Prince frappe, or maybe because of it.
Andrew: Discretion is advised
Oliver: that
Andrew: beer is, uh, according to the emperors effects.com page. This beer is here’s the description. I’m just going to read it verbatim. This is the category where we, we are putting the stuff that doesn’t fit anywhere else. We’re looking forward to expanding this mode by adding all sorts of weird modes.
Currently, we’ve got a random glitch mode and a gated reverb. These modes are not recommended for everyday all day. Excessive use. They’re more recommended as a weekend [00:46:00] indulgence, especially if you’re supporting a family.
Emily: Well, if you jerk, if you put in the real robot and then drums, you better begin reverb.
Oh my God. Is there anything more 80 sounding than gated reverb on a LinnDrum drum machine?
Oliver: Sounds so good. I mean,
Andrew: it’s a great sound. Throwing a flange over the top of that boom.
Emily: Like the chorus from a JC
Oliver: that’s pretty
Emily: eighties. Or the reverb? Yes. That would be just the care in a box. Yeah. Oh man. I was under the care
Andrew: and now I want to listen to lonely Island.
So that tells you about our generational differences,
Emily: old millennials versus young millennials.
Oliver: Yeah.
Andrew: Old you’re so old.
Emily: Oh God. Wow. That was really [00:47:00] rude.
Andrew: I know. Well,
Emily: yeah,
Oliver: that’s what it is.
Andrew: Would it be a proper episode of get upset if I wasn’t borderline, if not outright rude at some point.
Emily: Yeah. I mean, I bet I could run a five K faster than you.
Andrew: That that is contemporarily. True. Then.
Emily: What’s your what’s your fastest mile speed, Andrew.
Andrew: So if we’re counting in high school, when I was like 110 pounds, yeah. I was around maybe 115. Depends on whether or not it was raining outside.
Emily: Um,
Andrew: No, I ran cross country and track in high school before I got injured in my yard, time was four minutes and 50 seconds.
Emily: That’s very fast.
Andrew: It was fairly fast, but then I [00:48:00] got injured and now I can no longer do that.
Emily: That’s like Roger banister fast almost.
Andrew: I mean, there was other guys in the team that could run faster.
Emily: Yeah. I mean, I was not a fast cross country runner.
Andrew: We had a beast of a cross country team, which is probably why I over-trained cause I wanted to be in with big dogs. I wanted to be on varsity so bad.
Emily: Tom. The only varsity I was in high school was the academic team.
Andrew: Yeah, I got to, my high school did like the whole, like Letterman’s jackets and stuff.
Uh, one of the high schools I went to and I got a Letterman’s like patch for academics. And I just like, why
Oliver: sounds weird. I’ve never seen a letter for academics.
Andrew: I never ended up getting a Letterman’s jacket. Just felt like a waste of 200 bucks,
Emily: but Oh, it is a waste of money. Cause if you were like the moment you’re done with high school, you are an [00:49:00] enormous loser.
Like, that’s just how everybody feels about it. Right?
Andrew: I mean, it depends on,
Emily: I don’t know. I didn’t wear mine when I was in school.
Andrew: The high school I’m thinking of was like in a really small town in central coast, California. And it was like, you know, people were like, just never leave the town. And they would always, like, after they graduate high school, they hold onto the lemons jacket and then like they would go back like them watch the high school football team play on Friday nights and they would wear their Letterman’s jacket and stands.
And
Emily: that was just.
Oliver: Yeah, I guess you have a Letterman’s jacket. If you were planning on say the
Emily: towns. Yeah. Where are you from? Oliver,
Oliver: Fredericksburg, Virginia.
Emily: I know nothing about it.
Oliver: It’s like a civil war town. There was like a college Mary Washington college. Um, I don’t know. It’s kind of like a, it’s like right in [00:50:00] between Richmond and Washington, D C.
Emily: So it’s like one of those Fort Richmond theme parks for awhile, not Bush gardens, but I guess it was probably six flags on,
Oliver: Oh, maybe. I don’t know.
Emily: I don’t know
Oliver: down there, but yeah, maybe there is. Yeah, that could be, but, um, yeah, I mean, you do just like drive around in the country and stuff.
Emily: It’s nice. It might’ve been King’s dominion.
Oliver: Oh, that’s right. Yeah, that’s there.
Emily: Yeah. Yeah. It’s Busch gardens and King’s dominion as far as the, in parks.
Oliver: Yeah. Well, you know, one’s kind of all about beer Busch gardens and the other one was all about like Yogi bear or something. So
Emily: yeah, they had the, at the hand of our bare land, I’m sure they have a replica.
Did they have a replica of the Eiffel tower there? Oh, yeah. Yeah, no. I grew up near a theme park called a King’s Island and there was a [00:51:00] baby blue Eiffel tower and we had the Hanna-Barbera land. I remember I had a friend who worked at Busch gardens and she said, then in some of the, like the themed areas, they had like had to wear bonnets and I felt so bad for her.
She had to wear a, bought it to work.
Oliver: Oh, wow. Yeah, well,
Emily: I’m wearing my, like men’s pleaded shorts that are like a size too big. I quit. I quit that job over those damn shorts. If
Oliver: you in like Williamsburg, Virginia, and you live in like the old town, you have to wear like period outfits all the time.
Andrew: I have been to Williamsburg when I was in the eighth grade.
You
Oliver: have to like take a horse to like your garage, which has your car in it.
Andrew: Yeah, that was a strange town. It was kind of fun, but kind of strange.
Emily: Yeah.
Oliver: Probably like tip your cap and say good day. Can I have some more meat or
Emily: whatever? Yes. The [00:52:00] Mead, well, with this corn
Oliver: mash
Andrew: can get behind Mead.
Emily: Oh, God, I bought me by accident.
It’s so gross.
Oliver: I don’t even know if I’ve had me and I’m sure I have, but
Emily: it’s honey wine,
Oliver: Dan.
Andrew: I think it’s delightful. And it’s what I imagine. Pooh bear was actually having the entire time, because let’s be honest and Winnie the Pooh Pooh bear is an alcoholic.
Emily: He seems pretty drunk.
Oliver: Yeah.
Andrew: It’s that was not honey.
That was Mead.
Oliver: Yeah, exactly. What was already there. Just dip in the hand and the honey jar,
Andrew: right? Like who, who does that in a honey jar? Like you just gotta be blessed and drunk to be like, Oh, I’m just gonna stick my hand in this honey and lick my hand
Emily: or have a very weird kink, I guess
Andrew: what I’m all out of.
I’m all out of honeypots. I I’m going to have to go harass my friends to [00:53:00] see if they’ve got any
Oliver: left. Yeah,
Emily: can I just, just, I need, I just need to taste. I just need to taste. So just something to keep me straight, you know,
Andrew: I know you’ve got some in there,
Oliver: like the honey was like opium or something like that
Andrew: need it’s Mead.
Emily: Well, why are you drinking meat? Like looking the meat off your fingers. That’s pretty messed
Oliver: up. Oh yeah. Yeah.
Emily: I don’t know. I don’t know. It’s just so many questions. Some more like so many bad theories. This episode I have is a, is a Russian agent who bear is an Alkie so awful.
Oliver: Pooh bear being the Alkie. I mean, that’s,
Emily: we
Oliver: know that’s the facts. I think Michael Stipe probably is a Russian agent, but I’m not [00:54:00] positive.
Emily: I know that, uh, we will never find out.
Andrew: I hear you play REM songs backwards. It sounds like Russian.
Oliver: Oh,
Emily: how about it?
Andrew: Take some shrooms and play it all backwards. Like, Whoa,
Oliver: like what? Yeah.
Emily: Oh gosh. I listened to some whole episode, like some sort of like mythbusting podcast and they did a whole episode about like backwards messages and music and how. Sometimes backtracking is real, but usually like if it says, if you think it’s saying hail Satan, he’ll say Satan, it’s probably not
Oliver: there.
My buddy had this, uh, farmer in the Dell record and I look for it on eBay often because, uh, it was like, I don’t know, the Fisher price farmer in the Dell. And it was like the [00:55:00] farmer. He had like a Pitchfork and a goatee. And if you put like your finger over the top of his hat, it looked like the devil. You know, kind of two horns, you know, cause it’s like a cowboy hat with the two sides.
And when you play the record backwards, it was so scary. It would say hack up your father.
Andrew: And it was
Oliver: like, I always am looking for that record. Cause I’m like, I want to hear it again because we used to play it when we’d be like, you know, or something and just hanging out and wanted to show someone how crazy this was.
But, uh, Yeah, it’s a, I don’t know, founded sure. Like it then I don’t know if it did, you know, that was a little while ago, but
Emily: I know that there’s some Prince songs of some, some backmasking.
Oliver: Oh, Prince does that. That’s cool. He
Emily: did it in darling. Nikki. It’s pretty obvious that it’s backmasking I think it’s um, we look, uh,
Oliver: what’s
Emily: that
Oliver: sound what [00:56:00] she’s saying backwards in that.
Emily: And what song
Oliver: that like Missy Elliot song or something.
Emily: Oh, she’s saying, put your thing down, flip it and reverse it. But you’re saying it backwards, which is funny.
You hear the backmasking is hello? How are you? I’m fine. Cause I know that the Lord is coming soon. Coming soon. Coming soon followed by 37. Sorry, I don’t know. I’m just reading Wikipedia followed by 37.
Oh man. Somebody counted them.
Oliver: I would thought it was so weird when someone would have all these Ooh, AHS in their song. And then you would like, there would be like the official lyrics somewhere from the band. Like, I remember maybe reading some like Duran Duran lyrics or something, and they wrote down the lyrics like, uh, Ooh or something.
I was like, what the world [00:57:00] does that like for real.
Emily: Wow.
Oliver: I just thought that was silly, but, uh, yeah.
Andrew: Uh, the, she shreds band memes, six 66 collaboration giveaway. Yeah. How was that for you?
Oliver: Great. Yeah, there. So nice love she shreds. So,
Emily: yeah, I love them.
Oliver: Yeah.
Emily: They’re so good. I can’t wait to see what their, what they got going up next. I was kind of helping them with their, with their site relaunch.
Oliver: Oh,
Emily: cool.
Yeah. That’s just kind of what I do professionally is making sure that I’ve done a couple site migrations. So I’m like, Hey, I’ll help you make sure that all your stuff is in order. Yeah, thanks. Thanks break. When you change URL domains and things. So I just like, I like it. I like being able to use [00:58:00] the stuff I do for work every day, which, you know, isn’t the most exciting thing at the party to, uh, to help the brands and the companies and people that like,
Oliver: yeah, that’s
Emily: cool.
Uh, yeah. Well, Andrew, do you have anything else?
Andrew: I don’t think so. I mean, I always have things, but I don’t want to keep you for too long. I mean, it’s one in the morning there.
Oliver: Yeah. Whatever.
Right now there’s no fireworks going on. And it’s really weird because, um, it was insane on the 4th of July. And even this whole past month, it’s just been like nonstop, fireworks. I mean, it’s like, it’s awesome as a person, but I’m sure some people don’t like it, but, uh, 4th of July it was like, seriously, like a war was going off.
It was so cool. Just everywhere you would look, there were people shooting off fireworks in the [00:59:00] streets, you know, like so dangerous every week. It was, it was really cool.
Emily: Nice. Is there anything else you want to shout out? Well, I saw the podcast,
Oliver: um, now, whatever, I don’t know, people be good to each other or something.
Emily: Nice. Well, we’ll check the show notes for links to everything. That’s my audio. Um, all of our, thank you so much for, I love the damn night. Um, and thank you both for only cussing four times.
I turned this around and it’s going to launch in a, an hour and 50 minutes.
Oliver: Awesome.
Andrew: This is officially the fastest turnaround time we’ve ever had on the
Oliver: show. Fantastic.
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They’re free to do, please do that, please, please. Pretty pleased. I don’t want to beg, but it makes me [01:00:00] very happy and I kind of missed, I kind of miss the market system flow of, uh, reviews.
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Emily: We will read it than five stars.
Oliver: If it’s less than five stars, I’m going to come over to your house and give you a little what’s for
Andrew: now. Definitely going to read it. And then I can cry in the bathtub.
Oliver: It’s the truth. People realize, Hey, bad reviews and bad comments are the ones that stick with you. So.
Emily: Yeah, that’s something that I’ve been trying to work past in therapy for awhile.
Andrew: I’m not sure. I actually will. I’m just trying to give people like a wide smattering of reasons to leave a review for both good and bad reasons now.
Oliver: Good or bad, whatever it is. You’re thinking about, leave that review,
Emily: do it, do it, do it.
Check us out on YouTube. Also. Yes. Thank you very [01:01:00] much. Thanks for listening. Thanks for understanding my name’s Emily
Andrew: names, Andrew.
Oliver: Thanks for having me
Emily: on. Thanks. And until next time, goodbye.
Andrew: Bye [01:03:00] [01:02:00] .