Episode 98: Who Deserves Ayahuasca?

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Emily: [00:00:00] yes, this is recording

Andrew: [00:00:18] guys. We started we to the get off set podcast. My name is Andrew

Emily: [00:00:23] and my name is Emily.

Andrew: [00:00:25] And, uh, this is a podcast that has indeed started.

Emily: [00:00:29] It’s true. It started and it probably sounds a little different.

Andrew: [00:00:34] It does on a little bit different. Why is that?

Well,

Emily: [00:00:37] because we both have, uh, now Soyuz launchers that little, uh, it’s like a cloud lifter with a preamp and it makes my a dynamic microphone sound a lot better.

And this is not a paid sponsorship.

Andrew: [00:00:50] Yeah, we actually, I, we paid for these. Yeah.

Emily: [00:00:56] At least one of them. I have to do a demo with this one. So it’s not really like yours, yours was paid for via the Patrion and YouTube money funds. So this was actually the first purchase that we have made, um, for the collective Betterman’s of the podcast, I think.

Andrew: [00:01:14] Yeah. It’s, it’s super, I’m like, wow. We can let’s do it. Cool. Um, I maybe I’m actually been super happy. I’ve been using this all week, even for like conference calls and stuff. Since I’ve been working from home and, um, conference calls, calls with friends after hours, like kind of like a happy hour with friends, kind of a deal.

And then, um, for this and across the board. So like your voice sounds really good. Did you get a new microphone? I’m like, nah, Nope.

Emily: [00:01:46] Just getting a lot more out of the one that I got.

Andrew: [00:01:50] The best way I can describe it. Like even, I can’t even tell it’s different just listening, um, with a mix that’s fed back into my headphones while I’m talking, or like in this moment.

Emily: [00:02:00] Yeah, Sam, I feel louder. I feel more present.

Andrew: [00:02:03] Like when I talk into it, because I’ve been using this dynamic microphone for the entire tidy of the last couple of years of the podcast. And, uh, it always sounds just slightly sterile and I always listen back. Whenever I listened back. I’m like, I mean, yeah, that’s my voice, but it doesn’t quite sound like my voice, but the difference between like standard definition, high definition, we’re not to 4k yet.

We’ll get there.

Emily: [00:02:27] Well, it’s because of what I would have to do is with what you were giving me with, even with the focus rights gain turned all the way up. I had to go in, I would have to normalize your audio to get you competitive with my voice during the podcast. Cause I’ve been recording through, um, a blue, a blue Yeti, which is, which is really, uh, you know, a great plug and play amplifier.

I, you know, microphone and it has its own cool features, but, um, I would have to go and I have to normalize your audio and then I would have to like EEQ at a bunch. And last week when you started using launcher, uh, I didn’t have to do it as

Andrew: [00:03:02] much. Yeah. I mean, it’s just, it sounds so much more natural just right out the Gates.

And I think listening back, it sounds very much a lot closer to what it’s like, just to sit in the room with me.

Emily: [00:03:17] Yeah. That’s hard.

Andrew: [00:03:19] And I think that’s super cool. So I’m really glad we can bring that experience to you as the listener. And yeah, you can, you can hear every little voice crack of mine in high definition.

As my voice wakes up this morning

Emily: [00:03:33] as your vocal fry, we just lost a lot of listeners.

Andrew: [00:03:39] It’s not vocal fry. I swear. Well,

Emily: [00:03:42] those not, you think is like vocal fry has always existed. It’s just that now we’re hearing people’s recorded voices a lot more, but I digress the launcher, right? The launcher kind of feeds into, um, my what’s new.

If you’re curious,

Andrew: [00:03:58] I am curious. What is new?

Emily: [00:04:01] Well, I’ve been doing a little recording and yesterday I finished up laid down. I haven’t written a song with words. Like finished it and fully recorded it since college. I just kind of lost a lot of confidence after some situations in college, which was, you know, it happens.

So, um, someone reached out to me, someone whose name I will now look up just to make sure I have it right. And he’s working on a Stephen Gilbert. And Steven is working on, uh, getting some on my own terms to be talking about this accomp. He’s working on a compilation of songs about flowers. It’s going to be out September 18th and I’ve contributed a song to it.

And it has words and me singing with a lot of reverb and delay because I haven’t reached that point in my confidence, but. I was recording some vocal takes. And, uh, then I finally got the launcher and yesterday I rerecorded my vocal takes and Oh my God. I was like, I could see more, so much more. Of my, my wavelengths while I was recording, which gave, which weirdly gave me more confidence.

And I’m like, I can step back from the mic. I can have my makeshift pop filter that I’m not going to discuss right now. Okay. Have you seen, um, raising, um, Arizona

Andrew: [00:05:29] now?

Emily: [00:05:30] You know that, Oh God, well, you probably had, are you familiar with the quote from a movie? Boy. Did you know you got a panty on your head?

Andrew: [00:05:39] Hmm.

That sounds very familiar.

Emily: [00:05:42] Yeah. Yeah. So that was not quite my situation, but I was definitely using some pantyhose as a pop filter.

Andrew: [00:05:52] Hey, whatever works.

Emily: [00:05:55] It’s not weird if it works. So I’m excited about that,

Andrew: [00:05:58] but it works. So it works.

Emily: [00:06:02] And then last weekend I spent most of the weekend, um, laying down some guitar for demo track for project.

I can’t really talk about right now. Um, it was sort of a test thing. I think that the person that was recording was really, really liked it. And I’m hopeful that I’m going to get more, more work through that. And hopefully this person records an album and. Hopefully I get to be on it. So that’s exciting.

That’s, that’s some, some of the musical like home recording stuff, um, I’ve been doing, which has, I think been probably a little taxing on my computer, but I got gotta focus right. For I four. So that’s gonna be, it’s going to make my life a little easier. I think.

Andrew: [00:06:42] Very cool. Yeah. I need, I am definitely a thinking seriously about a great into the 44 as well.

I

Emily: [00:06:49] like it. Um, does yours have like that separate software that you use to more easily control? Like the inputs and everything? No, but it’s an outputs. Yeah. So mine came with a S like I had to download a software, which, you know, I’m used to being, I know it’s a focus where it’s a plug and play on a Mac anyway.

But, um, so I have right now, my focus right. Control up. I can see, cause it doesn’t have as many buttons on the face. It still has the 48, the Phantom power button. But, um, so control, like, is it an instrument or is it a line input? You go through the software.

Andrew: [00:07:25] Oh, that must be, is that a gen three thing?

Emily: [00:07:28] It must be a gen three thing, but, um, cause, but then, um, Also, you can set your outputs.

So you’d have your monitor outputs. I have, um, the outfits three set permanently as my ramp output. So it’s, that’s, that’s really cool. That’s going to be a lot easier for, for, um, home recording, because my biggest fear always in home recording is that someone’s going to say, I really like that take, but I just wish that you would have done the, a little differently or something like that because that’s the stuff that you.

Would get the feedback on like more immediate, as far as the feedback loop goes. So I, that, yeah. I always like to record one dry channel at least. And, uh, so then I have more inputs on the back where I can just send the dry so I can always do the stereo.

Andrew: [00:08:18] Yeah, yeah,

Emily: [00:08:19] yeah. Or I, or I could just, you know, put the amp fire plugin on, so I’m getting some approximation of sound and stereo and then I can ramp it that way.

Andrew: [00:08:28] For sure

Emily: [00:08:30] options. I love them.

Andrew: [00:08:31] Those are great. I’m a fan, I suppose.

Emily: [00:08:37] Well, that’s, that’s an option. What’s new with you though.

Andrew: [00:08:40] What’s new with me is I’ve had a, quite the week with Fox Cairo.

Emily: [00:08:46] Um, yeah, you’re sending me pictures.

Andrew: [00:08:49] Yeah. So. Let me start with the first big thing that happened this week. And then we’ll talk a little bit ever so briefly about something I’ve got coming out soon.

Um, is I, uh, this was like a month ago. Um, I got a message from mrs. Smith. Who’s the famous, uh, cat lady shredder, who we all know and love. And I’ve been following for quite some time and have always really appreciated all of the content and the personality behind it. And I got a message saying, Hey, can I get a black lives matter topper?

And it was like, hold on a second. Who is this? Whoa. Um, that super threw me. Um, but we got to talking, um, got it all sorted out. And, uh, we, we, um, we agreed to both donate to, uh, to causes for BiPAP folks. And, um, and then we’ve also got some, uh,

Emily: [00:09:50] that’s a, B I POC that stands for black indigenous people of color for those listening.

Andrew: [00:09:56] Indeed. Yes. So handy little, not anagram. Goodness. Um, acronym. There we go. That’s the word I’m looking for? Uh,

Emily: [00:10:06] so it depends. Yeah, that’s an acronym. Yeah. Not, not an initialism and initialism. That’s something that you would say like a RP.

Andrew: [00:10:15] Sure. Um, so,

Emily: [00:10:18] well, there is a difference and I just want to show that I know what the difference is.

Andrew: [00:10:22] It’s true. Speaking of, and speaking of initialisms, I, uh, uh, so I donated, uh, the cost of a topper to the, my, our local chapter of the NAACP for King County. Uh, and I’m actually blinking. Mrs. Smith donated to a different organization. Um, but I looked at it, everything checks out. So, um, the Senate off, and one of the things we had talked about ever so briefly, which is a fairly normal question in amongst brands and influencers is like, Hey, will we be willing to trade for a post?

And I was like, no, I actually can’t say yes to that. Um, Then the reason for that is

Emily: [00:11:02] good for you, honestly.

Andrew: [00:11:04] So the reason why I said I am not willing to trade a topper for a post in this instance is honestly, for any other influencers for any other. Anything, any other design that I do, I would be happy to, but for the black lives matter, uh, topper specifically that feel, that would feel so much like me trying to profit my brand off of, off of the movement.

I don’t like that. That doesn’t sit well with me. I mean, that’s, it’s really not why I’m doing this at all. I’m not offering this designed to try and boost my brand. Um, so I said, no, I appreciate it. But. I, and I explained why, uh, and the message was received well, and we sorted something else out, um, and got it sent off.

And then USP has got super backed up. And the first one that I sent took four weeks to show up and like I was, I called once and they said that it was, uh, that it just never shown up. Um, or that they lost it or they weren’t really sure. And kind of got the run around and I’m like, there’s no way, I guess I’m gonna have to send another one.

And so I was like, you know what, I’m going to send to them. And hopefully one of them makes it. So I actually sent two more and drop them off in different USBs locations, hoping that one of them finally arrived. And one finally did, I think at this point now all three have, and mrs. Smith is forwarding, um, at least one of them on to another artist.

Emily: [00:12:27] Nice.

Andrew: [00:12:28] That’s

Emily: [00:12:28] that’s honestly huge. Like you,

Andrew: [00:12:30] I saw that arrive. I’m excited. Like, yay. It got there. Uh, that just makes my heart happy to know that that’s going to be a message that’s being shared around in mrs. Smith’s circles. And then Wednesday afternoon, I got a notification that mrs. Smith tagged me in a post I’m like, okay.

I wasn’t expecting this. I didn’t

Emily: [00:12:49] seriously. Cause you specifically said like that’s not what?

Andrew: [00:12:54] Um, so it was, it was something done out of the kindness of mrs. Smith’s heart and, uh, really appreciated the weird thing though, is I got. A lot of troll attacks that day on both my personal and by Fox Cairo account.

Emily: [00:13:09] Wow. On the personal account people.

Andrew: [00:13:12] Yeah. Yeah. I got messages on my private Facebook message requests, friend requests. Um, and then on my personal Instagram, which is public, which for now I’m going to keep it as such. Cause I don’t really post anything important there. Um, it’s just food. Um, got a bunch of stuff there and then I also got the most of it on my Fox Cairo account.

And it wasn’t like thousands of messages, but there was enough messages where I was like, I need to focus on getting through his messages, blocking, reporting, anything that’s filing. Um, she really wasn’t any of that, but, um, yeah, it was just really thrown by like how like one post and the troll army comes out and that’s not to, I’m not sharing that to say woe is me.

I’m sharing that to say, shout out to all of the. Shout out to everyone like mrs. Smith, who were using their platform, people who have these, these larger platforms who are willing to stand for black lives matter, put that out there because knowing how much more that they’re getting on the back end of that, knowing that that’s several hours a week of dealing with that, just taking care of those messages, um, kind of that gives me a better perspective.

I have a lot more respect for artists and influencers that are out there that are, uh, putting their brand behind the black lives matter movement.

Emily: [00:14:29] Absolutely. And then the comment, the comments to talk about like, Oh, now you’re going to put your feet on it. I’m like, I think that woman takes it. Immaculate care of her shoes.

That’s what I think. I don’t think she’s going to be soiling anything. I think it’s going to stay nice and pristine. And that’s just my, my vibe is that she probably takes better care to care of her shoes. Sure, sure.

Andrew: [00:14:49] So, so you brought it up. So the I’d like to talk about that for a minute, actually. So. I do, since we do the pedal toppers and I’ve been doing it for a while and no one’s ever had this complaint, but the moment I started doing black lives matters toppers, um, and a number of different forums.

The con the complaint inevitably from white guy is, uh, Hey, like, isn’t it weird that you’re putting your foot on it kind of like the idea of like stomping on that, on, on the, the symbolism and how that could, how that seems inappropriate. And the first time I saw that, that brought up, I was like, uh, okay, well, I hadn’t considered that.

And no one had brought that up to me previously and had talked to a couple of my friends and, um, a couple of my BiPAP friends before I even considered actually releasing this to talk through like, Hey, like, Is this something I should do is this, would this be bad? And anyway, so I was like, no, one’s ever brought this up as a concern before.

And once I got a chance to sit down and get my head around it, the answer I have to that in, in short is I’ve been, because I’ve been doing this for years, I’ve done a number of really meaningful designs. I’ve done Bible verses, which for Christians is incredibly important. I’ve done a guy sent me a, uh, Um, a capture of his wife’s painting that she did for him when they were dating that I put on a topper for him, it was really meaningful.

It was like a picture of a tree with their initials carved into it. Uh, which I thought was really, really sweet. So I did that and he was like, this is, this is so meaningful. I really appreciate that. I’ve done stuff like that. And no one’s ever said, Oh, but now it’s going to feel weird to put my foot on it.

No one’s ever said that. And

Emily: [00:16:35] I think, I wonder why this is the problem that they have. They’re just trying to find something to come like truly. I think they’re just trying to find something some way to put it down.

Andrew: [00:16:45] Right. And that’s what I, I think that’s, what’s going on here now. I’m I’m a white guy. I am happy to be wrong.

Um, well, not necessarily happy, but I’m willing to admit that I could be wrong here, but the overwhelming feedback I’ve had from the BiPAP community is like, no, great keep doing it. So that’s kind of where I’m at with that. Um, and just sharing my open thoughts there. Um, as far as what’s coming out in the future, I’ve, uh, been, um, had a, uh, Ernie ball, VP junior tuner lent to me.

Emily: [00:17:16] Nice. It’s not mine for the Ernie of all people listening. I’m going to film a demo of that before I put a up we’re on it. I promise. I just it’s. It’s. I just haven’t gotten to it yet.

Andrew: [00:17:27] No, this one’s lent to me by my friend cam over at Gibbs Sunday and tone throne. Thanks again. And I’ve got the, I’ve actually got a couple toppers on the bench for the weekend.

I’m going to load one up, get some good photos and I’ll be able to offer that as a, as a new option, um, as well as with the black lives matter option.

Emily: [00:17:48] So are you talking about that snazzy one, you just posted a picture of and the super secret Patrion group chat.

Andrew: [00:17:54] Oh, um, that’s also another design that’s gonna be coming out.

I’ve also got some new artwork coming out, um, that I’m pretty excited about. All right. Yeah. Things are, things are happening. Things are changing and, uh, really happy with the direction things are headed right now. And one more thing, I am very excited, uh, in the wake of the poster room, mrs. Smith. I got a handful of orders more than I usually do, uh, which are very like.

For specifically black lives matter toppers. And I’m very excited to be able to write that check, uh, cause I am still donating all profits, uh, from each sale. So I’ll be able to write a pretty decent check this weekend and be able to send that money off pretty excited for it.

Emily: [00:18:42] Yeah. That’s awesome. Putting your money where your mouth is.

Andrew: [00:18:46] Yep. Like to do that.

Emily: [00:18:49] That’s good. That’s always good to do. Um, yeah, that’s, uh, that’s a hard one to follow, but, um, I did make a reference to our super secret Patrion group chat. If you want in, on that super secret Facebook messenger Patrion group chat, where we talk about everything from guitar pedals, you see my demos sometimes before they launch, um, If they’re not super secret.

And if I do them far enough in advance, uh, you get access to Andrew and I, and a slew of other lovely people. Um, but if you just go to patreon.com/get offset and you support us there, uh, I’ll send you one of us. We’ll send you a message and we’ll get you added into that, into that group chat. And, uh, there’s some other just behind the scenes stuff you get, you get input on.

What demos I do, how I do them. Uh, what we talk about on the podcast. Sometimes we turn to our Facebook, our Facebook group, and mostly our Patriots, patrons,

Andrew: [00:19:51] patrons, and yeah. And the super secret Patrion chat right now is, uh, or patron Patrion. There we go. I always get, I always fumble on the pronunciation there.

Uh, the best part about it. You’re gonna love this. The emoji in the bottom, right. Is a cat. It’s not a thumbs up.

Emily: [00:20:12] Yeah. It’s very colorful, too. Very rainbow. Everything is, I don’t know when that started. I

Andrew: [00:20:18] think that, uh, the credit for that goes to Jason  we give each other nicknames. We change the themes up on each other all the time.

We change the name of the group chat, just for fun. Um, to reflect the mood that everybody’s, it’s, it’s a community, it’s a blast. I honestly, it’s one of the first things I check when I wake up in the morning, like, wait, how many? Cause so many of our patrons are on the East coast and like, all right, what did I miss?

And then I go get coffee. And then I come back to actually read them. But

Emily: [00:20:49] you definitely clipped right there.

Andrew: [00:20:52] Sorry,

Emily: [00:20:53] eighties messages, or just as a hundred plus sometimes you’re like, Oh, come on. If y’all are talking about cars, I’m a MuTu.

Andrew: [00:21:03] Oh no, no. I, it, it makes my day and I love seeing the messages come through.

So I, yeah.

Emily: [00:21:10] Yes euros. And I’m also please rate, review, subscribe on iTunes tunes. Uh, you can subscribe on Spotify. I think, uh, we’re in Google play we’re on YouTube. So check out the YouTube subscribe there for a lot of content, including I’m going to start doing more of the kind of talking head content, sort of like I did for when the, that gentleman acted like.

I sent him a broken pedal. And then I explained how envelope filter pedals work and why it didn’t work for him. It’s cause it’s because he turned the volume on his guitar down.

Andrew: [00:21:44] It needs more input. Yeah.

Emily: [00:21:47] Yeah. Um, where else can people support us?

Andrew: [00:21:51] Uh, I. Heard heard, heard, heard I’ve been reading too many kids’ books these days.

Uh, I have heard a rumor that you can support us and support yourself as an artist.

Can I go there? Can I go there? Yeah, I live there.

Emily: [00:22:14] Let’s just go with a sponsor actually. First, I’m going to say you can also, um, we have a link on our website and we have a link also in this description. We also have a link in every video description on YouTube. Um, if you are, if you need to buy something on reverb.com, you can use our affiliate link and we get 1% cash back on your stuff.

And that might seem kind of small, like if you’re buying like a pop filter, but we really appreciate just like, even the thought it, it costs literally nothing else on your end. And, uh, and we just got a super exciting new sponsor. I am so stoked for this. Um, I’m very excited to bring distro kid on as an official sponsor of a ghetto

Andrew: [00:22:58] Pat, but

Emily: [00:23:00] pop up.

Um, but what this means for you other than the fact that now I sound better because I can afford, um, A launcher is, uh, if you don’t have a district kid account, and you’re thinking about releasing your own music, distro kid costs only $20 a year, and you can save 7% on your first year. If you use the code, get offset.

And then we get a little bit back from that as well. And, uh, I think it’s pretty much unlimited. Um, unlimited releases. It has to be your music. It has to be a, and that you have the rights to, I last night went through and submitted a single to be released. Uh, just to kind of see what that process was. It was so easy.

I just uploaded the file, put in the information, put in the album artwork selected which stores I did or did not want to be in. Cause I don’t want to be on the Amazon store. Um, And, uh, hit submit. It’s already been approved. It’ll be up. Uh it’s I had it scheduled for, um, you know, later in September, uh, just see how the scheduling works and it was really, really easy.

So, and also way more affordable than some of their competitors. I’ve used tune core for years. And I think I want to move my stuff off of tune core and onto distro kid. Uh, just because it’s like a third of the price, like tune core is, uh, a lot more every year. And I think that, I don’t remember if you have to keep paying every year to keep your stuff up on distro kid, I feel like you might not feel like you could.

I feel like you can. I actually know it don’t quote me on that, but I think that was one of the differences or like you can pay extra. To nev to upfront, to not have to renew there’s some option like that, that might be worth it, but 20 bucks a year to keep my stuff up, like this is going to sound surprising.

I do you make more than $20 a year in streaming? I actually make about 50 to $60 a year streaming. I released a, that I recorded in college. So. That’s surprising that I still get listens on that. I don’t promote it. It’s just passive people hear it. Sometimes they like it. And I get, you know, $50 a year. All of that goes straight back into tune core right now.

But if I’m a Vista distro kid, I’m none, we’ll make 30 bucks a year. That’s part of a tank of gasoline.

Andrew: [00:25:42] Now, hold on a second. Everything you said seems like a really great perk, but I’m about to blow your mind with the best perk. The entire platform has to offer instinct. Spotify verified, check Mark. Okay.

Emily: [00:25:58] Oh, shoot. That’s right. I did. I did pick my Spotify account. That’s right. I remember doing that now.

Andrew: [00:26:05] Instant Spotify verified check Mark. You can be official, not official official. That is 100% legit. And honestly like in the world of like social media and trying to assert yourself as like, I am, I’m an artist, people recognize me and whatnot, like Instagram and Facebook, trying to get that elusive blue star check marker badge, getting that in Spotify, just going through this, it was like, Whoa, I feel like, is this real.

I think that’s a life hack is life hack

Emily: [00:26:37] solving. Yeah. I don’t even have Spotify, so I can’t look it. I don’t see my verification there yet, but I have 197 monthly listeners that can’t be right. That sounds too high.

No. So yeah. Big, thanks to district kid. They have a pretty good Seattle presence. Um, big shout out to my buddy, Kenny darling, uh, who works, who works there as well as, um, our, our friend Daniel

Andrew: [00:27:10] show. All righty. Well, who

Emily: [00:27:16] ale, like I

Andrew: [00:27:17] need to take a breath. There’s been so much good stuff to talk about.

Emily: [00:27:22] I used to have a lot of good things to talk about, to be honest, because sometimes the world seems super duper dismal, and sometimes you try to do a good thing and people just explode at you and it’s, it’s upsetting.

It is

Andrew: [00:27:32] upsetting. You know what? Let’s do this real quick. Uh, you and I both, and the listener also is now obligated to join us. We’re going to take one big fat, deep breath. Ready? Breathe in.

Breathe out.

Emily: [00:27:50] You weren’t supposed to, I didn’t know that you were breathing in a joint.

Andrew: [00:27:56] I am not. I am

Emily: [00:27:59] just so that, that sounded like the three, three, three breathing technique where you breathe in for three seconds, hold it for three seconds and release for three seconds.

Andrew: [00:28:09] That sounds about right. I was not counting, but it was natural.

Emily: [00:28:13] It is

Andrew: [00:28:14] natural. Natural man. Like. You just gotta breathe

Emily: [00:28:18] and a three second inhale on that vape pen kind of impressive.

Andrew: [00:28:22] No, no, no, I can’t. The only, only thing I’m allowed to have is caffeine before 12 noon for another

Emily: [00:28:33] month. Oh, I knew you couldn’t drink. I didn’t realize you could end. Um,

Andrew: [00:28:38] I am straight

Emily: [00:28:40] edge.

I was straight edge until I was 25,

Andrew: [00:28:44] because I have to think straight EJ also includes being vegan, which I’m definitely not on board with.

Emily: [00:28:50] That’s a, that’s a certain sub sect of a straight edge, but, um,

Andrew: [00:28:54] I really don’t think I could

Emily: [00:28:55] do it. Oh, I know I couldn’t do it because, uh, it’s actually, it’s getting a lot easier to find non soy based animal alternatives or be in friendly proteins, like beyond burger does not have.

Um, that neither, that does not have a soy, neither to steal roast, but I tend to stay away from vegan stuff because it could literally kill me. And I don’t always have my epi pen awkward. I know it’s stupid and bad.

Andrew: [00:29:25] Um, if this podcast stop suddenly for whatever reason, blame the vegans, that’s my takeaway for

Emily: [00:29:31] killing me.

Yeah, please. Nobody kill me with soy. That just sounds like the worst way to go. I would rather it be something funner.

Andrew: [00:29:41] Those were reminds me of the eye. You’ve seen Scott Pilgrim versus the world.

Emily: [00:29:45] Yeah,

Andrew: [00:29:47] the, the scene with the vegan. That’s fine. It was um, Oh, that’s um, the girlfriend is captain Marvel.

Emily: [00:30:00] Yeah, Brie Larson.

Andrew: [00:30:01] Yeah. Yeah. And then I forget the, the, her vegan boyfriend, I think. Did I forget what else he did? Um, but yeah, that, that scene was shot.

Emily: [00:30:11] I don’t remember which boyfriend was, which I know that, um, captain America was one of the boyfriend’s.

Andrew: [00:30:17] Yep. Well, he was the skateboarder,

Emily: [00:30:20] the Chris’s Jason Schwartzman, one of them.

Andrew: [00:30:25] Uh wasn’t he, the, the big Betty.

Emily: [00:30:29] Uh, yeah, I think he was the big baddy. Um, Oh gosh. Now I need to know, uh, in other words,

Andrew: [00:30:40] yeah, he was the, he was the last ex that used the, a record exec.

Emily: [00:30:46] Oh. So I see. Cute. No, that’s not cool. I love hearing Culkin by the way. I think. He’s very good in everything he does. So where are the feet?

I don’t, it doesn’t save vegan boyfriend vegan.

Andrew: [00:31:01] I got you. Hang on a second.

Emily: [00:31:04] Oh, Tennessee. Thomas was in that.

Andrew: [00:31:06] There was so many

Emily: [00:31:08] it’s in the Lake. She’s a great drummer. There’s

Andrew: [00:31:10] so many good actors in this movie.

Emily: [00:31:12] She’s also in the band, nicest Frick. I did not realize I was Tenn Thomas. How would I not know?

That was, I love, I had such a nice conversation with her dad. Um, Pete Thomas from Elvis Costello and Louisville once, and I will just forever love forever love. Uh, Pete Thomas.

Andrew: [00:31:32] So quick story. I don’t even know if I should now. I won’t tell the story. Um,

Emily: [00:31:39] yeah. Yeah. Us vegan police officer. No,

Andrew: [00:31:43] no, no. That was someone else.

I think it was okay.

Emily: [00:31:51] Someone’s yelling at

Andrew: [00:31:52] us. Someone is yelling at us. Oh, for sure. I’m blanking so hard right now.

Emily: [00:31:59] Pilgrim vegan boyfriend.

Oh, so it’s whoever replaced

Andrew: [00:32:12] Mark Webber was Stephen stills as the vegan

Emily: [00:32:16] boyfriend Mark Webber. Oh, that guy. Oh, wait. Really? No, I thought I’m kidding. I thought, yeah, I guess that checks out.

Andrew: [00:32:36] Tell it to the cleaning lady on Monday.

Emily: [00:32:41] Yeah. That guy’s familiar looking. He was in the Laramie project, which I remember I’m

Andrew: [00:32:45] looking at his updated headshots. And honestly he has definitely aged quite a bit since the movie came

Emily: [00:32:50] out. Oh, I remember drive me crazy, but I don’t remember him from it. Um,

Andrew: [00:32:58] alright, so we are so far off on a tangent right now.

Emily: [00:33:01] Like why? I think, I really think, I just know him from Scott Pilgrim though, to be honest and I didn’t know his name. Okay. Yeah. So, uh, we were talking about, uh, vitriol, I guess, but, um, and that also goes into my, one of my what’s news.

Andrew: [00:33:19] Yeah.

Emily: [00:33:20] So the other Saturday at noon, I was on my computer downstairs, uh, listening to the demos I was recording and I saw an email come in from, from chase bliss that, uh, they were doing a run of 100 of their, um, mythical had been discontinued Iowasca pedals, which is basically a grow their gravitas tremolo with a FID

Andrew: [00:33:46] two in one.

Emily: [00:33:48] Cause it’s human one. And I love pedals that are like dirt and tremolo. Like I’ve had them the motto over trim store shin, and I love that one so much. I might buy a second, but, um, like, so I bought it. I’m like, Oh, this will be fun. This will get us some views too. Um, and then if I hate it, I know I can sell it for what I paid for it.

Plus a fee, like not a big theme. I like just probably. If I had, if I decided to sell it, it would be the cheapest one on reverb.com

Andrew: [00:34:21] for that

Emily: [00:34:22] I’ve decided I love it. And I’m not going to sell it. Sorry. Um, but this, this triggered, uh, it sold out in 10 minutes, a hundred units. So that 10 minutes that’s 10 per minute.

If you’re doing the math,

Andrew: [00:34:37] about $400 a pop. So that’s 40 K in sales in 10 minutes.

Emily: [00:34:42] Yes. That’s the growth. Uh, no idea what the profit margin is on those pedals, but I don’t think it’s like super high.

Andrew: [00:34:49] Well, we all know that a pedal is just $20 a parts. Okay.

Emily: [00:34:55] Obviously just want to dollars in parts. But, um, so according to the email, the story is that they had an extra 100 PCBs for the Iowasca.

Right. And, um, they decided to do a limited art, do a super limited run, make it the last 100 ever. And, uh, kind of call it a day on that collaboration that I think they had with. Was it audio was the official collaboration with

Andrew: [00:35:23] abracadabra.

Emily: [00:35:24] Yeah. Yeah. So, um, they sold out immediately. I felt very lucky to get one.

I, I know a couple people who got one actually. Um, and I really only got it because I’m on my computer a lot. And I thought about for 30 seconds and I was like, yeah, I want this, this sounds like my speed. And I feel like I’d heard a lot of people talk about I was go lately. So it was probably just a little bit on my mind.

And, um, I was really surprised when a few days later, cause I just, I’m not, I wasn’t in the chase bliss groups at the time I sent some joined, um, I hadn’t been on Reddit. I hadn’t seen people bitching about it, but apparently people just lost their damn my

Andrew: [00:36:08] people, you know, people were tripping out and not in a good way.

And

Emily: [00:36:13] not in the Iowa, not in the good parts of the Iowa school way, but the bad parts where it is just like continuous vomiting in front of other people. Right.

Andrew: [00:36:20] It was just like a, Oh my God, how dare you? I hate y’all

Emily: [00:36:27] the mic. We’ll wait for the mic when you yell or go or go in front of the mic and yell like that.

Andrew: [00:36:34] Oh, in front of the mic, kind of like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yup.

Emily: [00:36:37] Then you can yell because I’m still getting your reflections and your mood. And I don’t have to then isolate that part of the audio and dip the volume down to keep it from clipping.

Andrew: [00:36:46] My brother had a kid, sorry, but not, sorry. There’s always a star Wars quote for everything, but yeah, people, uh, people lost.

Emily: [00:36:57] Yeah, they were mad. They were mad, super

Andrew: [00:37:01] mad.

Emily: [00:37:02] Like, I, I couldn’t imagine getting that mad about a guitar pedal.

Andrew: [00:37:07] So, and I, and I realized I should have pulled this up before the show started, but I remember reading it, let me, let me track it down for a minute, but people got, yeah. Uh, so people got so upset. Uh, they, uh, Started not just commenting, but they started sending Joel the owner of chase Melissa’s Joel, Courtney, super great guy.

Uh, I have yet to come across anybody in the industry. Who’s had anything negative to say about

Emily: [00:37:36] them. Yeah, no same.

Andrew: [00:37:40] And people just, they went off. Um, and started sending him messages. Let me,

Emily: [00:37:50] what did the messages say other than like shame on you? People will people, you know, that people are going to flip these and people are buying them just to flip it.

And then the real people who want them can’t get them. That’s what that was the biggest complaint that I saw was that they made it so limited. They knew people were going to turn around and flip them. Um, Because I think there were like a thousand made of those generators losses and immediately a bunch of them popped up on reverb for inflated prices.

And scalping is real. Like it’s like ticket scalping, but we call them pedal flippers. So flipping is real and it’s where you buy something for one price and then you sell it for an inflated price for no reason, which makes it not as much like flipping a house where typically you flip a house, you buy the house, you make a bunch of improvements upon the house.

And then you flip it. This is a lot more like ticket scalping, where you buy a product, make no improvement to it, but you buy it. So the people who want it can’t get it except at your premium. Right? Right. So I think the cheapest one on reverb right now is almost, um, it’s $900. So it’s over two is over a hundred percent price increase.

There had been one up for eight. Now there’s one for eight 50. So just under, um, a hundred percent price increase.

Andrew: [00:39:05] Yup. I found the so chase was audio. So Joel had to make a post on the gear page as well as in his chase plus users group. And I think he also posted this to Instagram. Yeah. But yeah, to paraphrase a day after release, he woke up to tons of hate mail and Instagram and email.

Um, in the term he uses, he had to sift through all the hate mail, which implies that there’s not just a couple messages. Uh, and included one person prepare the cat meal, uh, to eat and die is what someone, a fan of chase was. Audio sent the owner and founder of tasteless audio message that said eat and die.

Emily: [00:39:48] Oh gosh. I haven’t said that since I was 13. What

Andrew: [00:39:52] is

Emily: [00:39:53] great? What a middle school and salt?

Andrew: [00:39:57] No, from big croak, like come on, but. Aside from the fact that it’s an original, it’s incredibly hateful. It’s incredibly mean. And, uh, I’m just, it brings up so many questions that I want to ask in all of this. And, um,

Emily: [00:40:16] yeah, I mean, it is it’s unnecessary because I mean, Joel can’t control the flippers actually.

Joel can control the flippers. Do you want to know how Joel can beat the flippers?

Andrew: [00:40:30] How

Emily: [00:40:31] he can charge a thousand dollars. It’s the front of it. Cause that’s what happened to ticket price. Cause it used to be every seat in the place was like maybe like maybe the floor is 50 bucks and maybe the balcony is 25.

And then artists caught onto these people flipping their tickets, uh, in the first couple of rows for like selling them for 200 or $300. So they’re like, you know, what, if anybody gets that, it should be my fans. And if anybody gets the money, it should be me. Then they just started charging 250 bucks for the first couple of rows.

And that’s what we get now. Um, that’s kind of how scalping ruined a ticket buying for everybody. And it could ultimately be how, uh, flippers ruin, um, I don’t want it. I think it’s like this pedal wasn’t even affordable in the first place, so it was already expensive.

Andrew: [00:41:21] Right, right. I mean, sure. So the flipping only works in an environment where the retail cost is lower than the perceived value, right.

For the target market. So. Which, and I think, sure. So Joel could have charged $700 each for these. And honestly still probably would have sold out in 30 minutes or whatever, like people still would have bought it. But the flip side of that is people would be like, Whoa, Joel, like we’ve been following you for so long.

Why are your you’re clearly just profiting off of the hype that you’ve created, which, and I, the fact that I could see someone actually that’s business. But Joe’s a good guy from everything I’ve been told and I need to meet him someday. I

Emily: [00:42:03] will, maybe we should try to have him on the podcast.

Andrew: [00:42:06] We should, um, But I’m just looking at this going, they had a hundred PCBs left.

They went ahead and did it put this time and effort into it. And they decided to not just charge insane amounts of money to try and make it accessible, at least to the, make it more accessible to the people who were on the email list route out of the Gates.

Emily: [00:42:27] Yeah. So you’re already getting the benefit by being on the email list.

Part of like, you know, that was

Andrew: [00:42:33] like

Emily: [00:42:34] a thank you. It was like a little thank you to email lists people. Yeah.

Andrew: [00:42:37] Yeah. I mean, that’s a good guy, kind of a move. Um, and so a lot of respect for that. And so I really don’t think that’s. I can’t imagine him going well, you know what? You guys are charging so much or flipping these for so much.

Next time I do a limited run like this. I’m just going to charge for what the limited runs have been going for on, on reverb. I don’t see him doing that.

Emily: [00:42:59] He is not, and like for what it’s worth. So th they’re they sold a hundred units and they’re probably all in hand by now. Yep. There are exactly four of them on reverb for 4% flip rate, um, on reverb.com.

That’s, you know, it’s, it sucks if you didn’t get one, but it seems like 96% of people at this point, aren’t trying to flip it on reverb. I don’t know if they’re trying to flip it more of them on eBay or in other places, but even if it’s just like a 10% flip rate like that, like if, if those. Four to 10 people hadn’t gotten this pedal.

That doesn’t mean you would have gotten one. It doesn’t, it makes your chances marginally better. I think if anything, it’s a miracle. The website didn’t crash. So kudos to their web guy because wow. I mean, when I was trying to buy the count to five by Montreal assembly, that crashed a lot. And when I was trying to buy, um, a pedal from electronic audio experience, experiments that had a little hiccup, but didn’t crash.

Um, so yeah, like it, you can get mad at flippers because they’re doing something that is, uh, I do think not super duper ethical, but it just makes one, it just takes one person to list it that high for someone else to be like, well, if I’m going to sell this, I want to get the most out of it that I can. So, I don’t know how many of these people were actually like if it’s being listed this quickly, unless you had a very weird sudden medical emergency, which you know, is possible in this climate unlikely.

Um, then, you know, if you see these higher prices, you might be like, I want, I want to get, I want to do myself. Right. By selling this because the last thing you want to do is sell, sell what you paid 400 bucks for, for like $425. And then that person then turn around and sell it for 800. It creates this cycle.

All of, um, well, this is obviously what the proceed value of this huddle is, and I don’t want to sell it to someone who’s just going to flip it. So it creates this distrust loop, I think in, uh, it’s just kinda how it is and I it’s sad.

Andrew: [00:45:10] Sure. I think, I think you calling out the percentage of the flip percentage, I think is really helpful for conceptualizing how much of a PR problem it really is.

Uh, looking at how low that rate is, knowing that it would have been a lot higher if he had, if chase Wells, hadn’t released that over email. So the email followers list. Yeah. So I think, I think chase was, is honestly doing everything right here in terms of minimizing the flip and hats off to them on that is, but then the next question behind that is there’s only a hundred of the maid.

Why? And everyone’s like, well, there’s more of us that want one. Why not make more? And there’s a couple of things that I’d like to bring up as points for consideration is a one in, in Joel’s message. Um, in the second paragraph, uh, He said it was a fun, cool project to do with my good friend, but to be honest, it’s one of my personal least favorite pedals chase Willis has

Emily: [00:46:09] made.

And that I read that I was like, okay, Oh, I got a pedal. Like it made me a little bit worried about buying the pedal, to be honest, he doesn’t like it.

Andrew: [00:46:21] Right. And then a couple sentence late sentences later, he says, if I don’t think something is truly awesome, I’m not going to put thousands of out into the world just because they’ve become a collector’s item.

If people think that’s wrong or I’m dumb. That’s fine too. And I think, I think that’s a really important thing to. To consider in terms of Joel’s ownership of his company. Uh, and the followup to that is they had a hundred PCBs laying around and in the current with supply chains as screwed up as they are right now, combination of COVID has wrecked the global supply chains and combination with USBs has been so far backed up on stuff.

I know, uh, Talking with business owners who, who are having severe impact from that, uh, thinking through those, that for context, it’s entirely possible, they’re like, well, we’re running out of things to sell.

Emily: [00:47:21] I know that they can’t keep up with the demand for the Mark to preamp. From the automaton series.

And I also know that they’re automaton collaboration with Maris, the reverb of automaton. I know that that was slated for release release in the summer. And, uh, I haven’t heard an update on it, but I assume it was just like some supply chains getting messy.

Andrew: [00:47:43] Yeah. Supply chain at Rubin screwed up. I’ve seen a couple of posts from Joel and from chase bliss, his account on a public social media, uh, that have made comments about we’re waiting for enclosures or we’re waiting for faders or just sourcing some of the key components.

And so I’m looking at this going in context, honestly, I couldn’t. I’m speculating here in completely speculation here, but I could totally see the conversation being well, what do we have that we could make and sell? And there’s like, well, we’ve got the stack of 100 in the back and knowing that Joel didn’t even like him, he’s like, all right.

I, I, I guess can let’s, uh, let’s do something to make this special and, uh, we’ll get those out in the world so that we can keep things

Emily: [00:48:24] moving. Yeah. I mean, absolutely. I’m, I’m sure that has something to

Andrew: [00:48:28] do with that. Just sit down, cut of downtime when you’re waiting for supply chain issues to resolve.

Emily: [00:48:33] And also his, and I said this and I saw, I did a demo of the Iowasca and I talked a little bit about like the controversy, um, before I got into the playing or even the controls, but like, Y’all what, what are you doing?

I’m like, it’s, this is like his, it’s his responsibility business owner to keep his business running, to inject cash flows into his business to keep us employees employed and fed and happy. Like that’s his responsibility as a business owner. Uh, to his, to his people. And, you know, he, he found a way to inject a very quickly $40,000 cash flow into his business.

And I think it was the correct business decision. And you know, what, if he did another run of a hundred, I bet he’d sell on 10 minutes again, but I don’t know how many more runs of that pedal, because it is essentially just the gravitas with a physician.

Andrew: [00:49:32] Right, right. I think the impact. I think it was said somewhere that this is the last time that they’re doing this.

Oh

Emily: [00:49:38] yeah. He’s had that. But again, it’s the gravitas with the FAS. So,

Andrew: [00:49:43] so. Yeah. I mean, I think he’s got run his business and looking at things in context. I think the business decision makes a whole lot of sense as far as the decision to never make these again. Mmm. The followup question to that is, does he have any obligation to his fans?

The people who have supported him and helped make his company successful, does he have any obligation to them to make something that they want?

Emily: [00:50:10] Maybe he definitely might. But now that he’s said that he won’t do it again, I think that he should, you know, do like Rick, Matthew said he would never do another one, the father limited edition pedal.

Yeah. And hasn’t, I think that you need to hold to those because I think that it creates a distrust, which is, is kind of silly because like someone else having a thing doesn’t make it less special for you. That’s kind of my opinion on it. So I met I’m a little bit torn on that. Um, I guess like probably the one thing that I would do if I were him and was interested in putting out the feelers was to, would be to do a preorder, like a preorder of everybody who wants one gets it on this preorder.

We’re going to order that amount of parts. Plus some extras in case things go a little crazy or I’m sorry, wackadoodle. I’m trying to stop saying crazy because. Yeah. Um, so things go a little wackadoodle. They have some extra parts and enclosures that would be, that would be another way to curb, uh, the stupid high resale value.

I mean, that’s what people like Matt hoops started doing, uh, with the DRV. It limits it, limits that, um, that, uh, just frenzied fury, but so that’s, that’s a way to curb, um, you know, Flippers in a way, but on the other side of that, unless you are saying, this is the last presale ever, we swear on our graves, we are not going to do another run.

Um, if you, if you don’t do that, if you just keep opening up the presales, it could be a bad marketing decision for your company. Because then if part of the hype is, you know, you do runs of a hundred and people have to log in at a given specified time to get them. Like that’s, that’s, that’s marketing, that’s, that’s one way to make your business profitable.

And if you open up the presales, like you might kind of reduce that hype around it, and it is your job as a business owner to create hype for your product sometimes. Cause no one’s height for your product. No, one’s buying

Andrew: [00:52:16] it. Sure, sure. So I think in some instances, presale makes a whole lot of sense. I think they did a really great job with the blooper pre-sale uh, they think they start.

Emily: [00:52:27] Yeah. But Kickstarter takes 15%.

Andrew: [00:52:30] Sure. I mean, w they, they chose to make, they chose that decision. They made a choice to accept that part. And I, they handled it really well. So regardless of whether or not the platform that they chose to use to, to use, to make that happen takes a chunk. That’s, that’s a different discussion, but yeah, uh, I think it worked really well in this instance.

I’m not sure it would have necessarily worked super well, especially if we’re looking at the context of supply chain issues, uh, and a smaller run of a hundred is a lot more doable. It’s a lot faster to pump out. You have to put, uh, doing a preorder, like that takes so much more effort. And if

Emily: [00:53:07] Joel, if Joel

Andrew: [00:53:09] is already like,

Emily: [00:53:10] I don’t like it that much.

Yeah. Why does he want to make more? If he’s not excited about it?

Andrew: [00:53:14] So the, to answer the, so I posed the question, not because I don’t have an answer, just oppose it for discussion. The question I just posed was does he have that obligation to the people who have supported his business, um, and helped bring it to where it’s at, just by supporting the business with their money.

And I think the answer to that question has to be twofold specifically. The direct answer to that is no, I don’t think he does. I don’t think. I don’t think any business owner owes their customers. A product that’s not already been promised.

Emily: [00:53:47] It’s like same way that celebrities don’t owe their fans anything other than what they’re creating and what they’re putting out there.

Their music for musicians live shows when those happen. Like no one is entitled to your time or your private life. And nobody’s entitled to products that haven’t been promised. You’re absolutely right.

Andrew: [00:54:06] I agree. So that’s part one part, two of that is of course, there’s always going to be the relationship between the brand and its fans and want to make sure that relationship is good.

And I think in this instance, the, the sourness of the relationship that’s come from people sending hate mail. There’s two ways you can look this way. Number one is you can look at it with a customer is always right mentality and try to do something to address that to a piece, to, to deal with that. I don’t think that’s, I really hate that though.

And here’s why, the reason why I hate that is you are giving, you’re making that behavior acceptable in no world should accompany have to respond to, um, prepare the cat meal again, uh, to eat and die. To hear that and say, we’re so sorry, you know what? We’re going to, we’re going to change how we do business to make you happy.

And I get that. There’s gotta be some level of give and take, but at this level, it’s not just a, Hey guys. Like this is our constructive feedback here. Like we love your company. We’ll love what you do as a paying customer. I’d love to see this and I’d be able to give you this much money. If he did it, that’s a very different conversation.

And then shouting and saying, I hate you and die. And all of that, that’s a very, very different. And to that end, I really, I think. That should never be rewarded with a customer is always right. Mentality. That should

Emily: [00:55:31] be summer is wrong so much of the time. And also for the love of God and all that is Holy.

It is just a guitar pedal. It’s just a guitar pedal. If you’re getting this upset about a guitar pedal with everything else. In the world that’s happening. Like if you are really find yourself red in the face and just enraged about this, please, for the love of God, talk to a therapist, this, this is not as not a healthy reaction to have.

That is indicative. I think of other issues. And like, if that issue is entitlement, you know, talking to a therapist can maybe help you work on not feeling that sense of entitlement or rage about things that aren’t. Don’t mean anything.

Andrew: [00:56:16] I mean, I’m mostly on board with that statement. I know guitar pedals mean a lot to a lot of people, um, equipment and gear, and it can have such an important personal value.

I don’t want to necessarily minimize that, but I want to separate out the, the value of what it means to people personally, with what’s acceptable as a, as a reaction.

Emily: [00:56:37] Yeah. I mean, that’s not there, so that’s what I’m saying. Like, If that’s your reaction, it’s just a guitar pedal though. Like that’s not, that’s, that’s, that’s concerning.

I

Andrew: [00:56:47] think there’s room to make, I think there’s room to make the nuance. That it’s more than just a guitar pedal that it’s really meaningful past the electrical diodes and transistors and the sound that comes out the other side. I think that there’s room for that in,

Emily: [00:57:01] in the city. That’s why we’re saying look.

So like, if I already have a pedal and it’s so like, Essential to my sound. If it gets stolen, then yeah. I’m going to get upset because like I’ve had time to bond with that equipment. And it is a part of, of my, my sound and, you know, my Sonic identity, I guess. But, but this is not, this is not something that anybody, Oh, I get that.

I was a white whale for a lot of people. Um, but I mean, If it’s your white whale, maybe, maybe you pay that flip price, you know, maybe you just kind of accept that, you know, that’s the price and stay on the hunt or something. And like, I do, I get being upset, but I don’t get like telling someone you hope they die.

Andrew: [00:57:46] Right. And that’s what I’m trying to say. Like it’s, I think it’s perfectly fine for it to be your white whale. I don’t feel the need to qualify with age. It’s just a guitar pedal. I do feel the need to say. The followup to that, what you do with that information is so much more important. And I, I don’t think that I don’t think Joel should have to bend over for that, but never backwards bend over backwards.

There we go.

Sorry.

Emily: [00:58:16] Joel. So sorry, Joel,

Andrew: [00:58:19] that came up that did not come out the way I intended that to come out.

Emily: [00:58:22] I never know with you.

Andrew: [00:58:25] Bend over backwards. I don’t think Joel should have to bend over backwards for it. I don’t think he has that obligation. And I think that to an extent while like companies can’t dictate what the responses that they’re going to get, I’m like, I can’t, like I could sit here on the podcast and I could say, Hey, to all the people that sent Joel nasty gram, don’t do that.

That’s not, I could say that all I want and it’s not necessarily going to stop just by saying it louder. Isn’t going to make that difference. But. The reactions that we give to that, um, uh, business owners choose to, to contribute that I think, especially, yeah, the gear community, it’s very much a community mentality.

And I think there’s ways that gear companies can respond to that and continue to do their part in engendering, a healthy community atmosphere. And I think Joel doing don’t really good. I honestly think Joel’s doing a phenomenal job of that.

Emily: [00:59:14] No. I like, I think, I think you’re right. I really like, uh, chase bliss as a company.

I like their mentality. I like their creativity. Um, no, they are, they are premium products that not everybody can afford, um, or this, you know, and that’s just kind of yeah. How, how it is sometimes. Like not, everything’s going to be accessible to everybody all the time. And that’s just generally speaking how, how the world, how, how, how most things work.

I mean, to get started with playing guitar, it costs, you know, you can find an electric for 50 bucks somewhere. You can get a new Squier affinity series sometimes for under $200. You can get a handful of pedals and a Mustang at like the, the entry level ticket tower. Well, not nothing is, is pretty, can be pretty low.

Um, And so, you know, just, you’re not going to be able to have everything that you want to have, and I don’t have everything that I would, I would like to have and keep and hold. I have a lot of guitar pedals. Sure. Um, but you know, there’s there’s stuff. Well, silver on

Andrew: [01:00:17] shops

Emily: [01:00:19] never does

Andrew: [01:00:19] never

Emily: [01:00:20] runs out. And what does gas stand for?

Andrew: [01:00:22] Gear acquisition syndrome.

Emily: [01:00:25] Yes. We always see new shiny things that we want, um, or are interested in or curious, want to hold and have and stuff. Well, I

Andrew: [01:00:33] could spend $10,000 on guitar, pedals alone without blinking on reverb.com in one hour.

Emily: [01:00:40] Oh, totally.

Andrew: [01:00:41] And all stuff like, not just like just clicking around and things like all stuff, like in my head that I love to have for different rigs that I’d love to try out some white whale type stuff that I would love to have in my collection.

I could very easily, the gas never stops. There’s so many people doing so many cool things.

Emily: [01:01:00] Yeah. Like, I would love to have some sweet superhero amps I would love to have like, um,

Andrew: [01:01:07] but that there’s space to put it all.

Emily: [01:01:10] Shoot. I would love to have the space to put it all. Yeah. I speak in a space. I think I need to, uh, I think I need to reorganize my, my office space.

I think I need to get a new desk. I’m so sad about that because the desk they have right now, it was my father’s and he used it all through high school and, um, And then I used it. Like he, I remember he, when he came up to me, uh, to do my homework gone and stuff, and I’ve written, I’ve written a lot of fun stuff on this desk, but I think I just need to move it to a different space in the house and get something that’s a little bit more suited for, um, modern times, because so my desk, it’s the kind of desks where there’s like that little hole in the middle where the, the, the, the chair goes in and then it has a bunch of yeah.

Drawers and kind of honestly, kind of a low barrier for getting your legs in. So I just sit really splayed legs all the time, because Beau is very uncomfortable to sit with like both of your legs in the hole. And I just, this sounds dumb. Women’s jeans are made so poorly. I’ve worn out pairs of jeans just because I a man spread all day long.

And if I had a dollar for every time, I’ve wrecked my knee on this desk, I could pay for my Iowasca and a couple other pedals.

Andrew: [01:02:29] Good times anyways,

Emily: [01:02:33] your digression. So if you have desk suggestions, uh, that’d be nice. Also I have a goal, a personal goal, and when I meet that personal goal, I’m going to get a better stand for my, my computer monitors. So I’m also taking suggestions for that. This is your chance to join the good offset podcast group.

And, uh, leave me solicited advice about desks and monitor stands. You will never get this opera. You may never get this opportunity again to tell me what I need.

Andrew: [01:03:02] Well, cool beans, coolest of beans. If

Emily: [01:03:04] you will. You’re like, okay, can I just wrap it up? W what’s your TLDR? What, what did you use to do that? I told you, I don’t think we always agree with the takeaway.

I think he used to say the takeaway is, and then I’d be like, that’s not my takeaway.

Andrew: [01:03:23] I think the takeaway is, is we’re both fans of chase with audio. I think they’re doing really good work. And I would like to take one more moment to say, stop sending builder’s hate mail,

Emily: [01:03:37] like okay. For, okay. Yes. Don’t send them hate mail.

Um, if you don’t like their business practices, I think that you can talk about it publicly if you, you, and, but I think like the biggest thing you can do is just, if you really don’t like what somebody is doing, like a full tone is, you know, to get the word out to people who you think would also care. I don’t know how, how much people are going to care about like, as a whole people are going to care about.

I didn’t get the pedal I wanted to now I hate this brand. Um, but to just, you know, Speak with your money. If you don’t like what a brand is doing, then just don’t don’t buy their stuff there. It does not, it doesn’t do anybody good to like, even for someone like something like the full time situation to go in and like send him really nasty messages.

If you want to like, try to engage and you’d be like, this is wrong. And this is why that’s one thing. But to just, yeah, just try to be level headed about it. Like, um, my advice is always to like type it out. Go take a breather. Read it again, and then decide if you want to send it. It’s the same thing as like, like writing something down and then throwing it in to a fire.

If it’s like, if that helps you feel better to type it all out, just wait before you send it, go back and read it and be like, Hmm. Was that a little much? And, or maybe have someone else read it? A friend and then the friend will probably be honest.

Andrew: [01:05:00] This is a really long takeaway.

Emily: [01:05:02] I know I have thoughts. I have feelings and I have take away.

And the coffee’s. All right, I’m done.

Andrew: [01:05:10] This has been the get off set podcast. Thank you for listening. And thanks for understanding. My name is Andrew. My name

Emily: [01:05:17] is Emily. All right. Ready?