Get Offset Episode 123: Everyone Sucks Here

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Emily: [00:00:00] it’s your turn to kick it off Andrew? Or is it, uh, is that cat’s turn? Yeah.

Wow. Get

Andrew: [00:00:27] off set, bud. Yes, my name is Andrew and this is Percy.

Emily: [00:00:32] Hi, Percy. First he’s looking directly into the camera. Amazing. If you’re only listening to this podcast, you did hear the purse, but, um, Andrew’s mom’s cat’s purse is named Percy and Percy is just chill it on Andrew’s lap right now. I don’t know how we’re going to record this episode.

Yeah, we’ll get

Andrew: [00:00:54] to it. We’ll

Emily: [00:00:55] get to it. Are you a check-in for fleas?

Andrew: [00:01:00] And I just thought I felt something for a sec. See, this is probably how the cat hair got on here. Rubbing your butt on my microphone.

Emily: [00:01:10] Let’s let’s let’s let’s hope that it was the face and not the butt.

Andrew: [00:01:15] Yeah,

Emily: [00:01:16] yes. This week’s episode get offset as sponsored by Percy.

Andrew: [00:01:20] Yeah, I think he’s probably just going to crawl it and take a nap here at the rate he’s going. Although I think what he wants his food.

Emily: [00:01:29] Well,

We can’t have that. We can’t have a hungry cat.

Andrew: [00:01:37] No, that just means he’s probably gonna eat me at some point in this episode. So stay tuned for gratuitous live feeding.

Emily: [00:01:43] Yeah. So last night, um, I had my brother, his wife and his daughter over, uh, smoke a chicken on the Trager, which turned out really well though.

It took a little bit longer than I expected. And then we couldn’t find the cat for like three hours. She doesn’t like kids or like strangers. So I was like, what if she crawled in somewhere and got hurt and can’t get out. And I was really stressed out.

Andrew: [00:02:08] Maybe she’d get stuck behind a, uh, a dresser or something.

Emily: [00:02:14] Funny story. That is where I found her the same. Yeah. The same corner in which I had gotten stuck, but she wasn’t, she wasn’t stuck. She was just, um, Hiding. Apparently she can fit under the whole dresser, which we didn’t know before. And, um, that’s why we could not find her. And I was just like laying in bed thinking I’m so scared for my cat.

Like, because we just had the bedroom door open upstairs and she was not under the bed. She could not have gotten in the closet. She could not have gotten in the bathroom. So there was there weren’t a lot of places that she could be. So I was like, I have no idea. Like, it was very confusing. Well, then you

Andrew: [00:02:55] just got to think if I were a cat, where would I get stuck?

Emily: [00:02:59] Apparently I am a cat because I had been stuck there also. Yeah. But, um, I’m just like laying in bed, just trying to be quiet. Maybe she would come out and I kept hearing what I thought was like cat sounds and then it would look around. No. So then finally I looked at him. Kind of behind the dresser. And I saw this little black blob I’m like, is that the cat?

I got a flash and I’m like this, and she just wouldn’t even look at me. She was so mad that let strangers into the house.

Andrew: [00:03:30] Well, I mean, that certainly beats the alternative of, uh, a cat haunting. You’re a house is a ghost in a V Victorian nightgown.

Emily: [00:03:41] That sounds pretty cute though. Wow. Percy is feeling that microphone.

Andrew: [00:03:47] I feel like I should have started the episode, like turned away. It’s like, and then just like brought back in. Yeah.

Emily: [00:03:52] Yeah. I can have you faded. No,

Andrew: [00:03:56] no, no. You do not eat like my, my headphone cable.

Emily: [00:04:00] Yeah. About that. Yeah. And then of course, uh, I’m going a little viral because of a tweet I made. So that’s fun.

Andrew: [00:04:07] I know.

Which is probably why this guy’s here, right? Yeah.

Emily: [00:04:11] He’s like, I heard that you could make cats famous.

Andrew: [00:04:15] Are you here for the catnip lady?

Emily: [00:04:16] Hmm. So there is a wholesome meme that was like the, um, this text between a mother and child, I assume. And it was a bunch of multi-colored capsules and it was the mother texting a picture of the capsules to the child and said, we’re going to have a talk when you get home.

And the kids replied, put one in water and then the moms replies why, and then sends back a picture of something expanding in the water. And she says, what is this? And the child response, it’s a rhinoceros. It’s one of those things that like expand into a thing. So I told a story about how, um, Once my mother was at my house and, uh, she sees a little bag baggie of a dry substance, and she’s like, you just leave your pot out.

And I look over I’m like, cause I don’t, I don’t really ever buy flour even. So I’m like what I look over. I’m like that is catnip. And then I posted a picture of the catnip, which doesn’t look at all, like any marijuana, anyone should smoke. And, uh, Now it’s at like 300,000 impressions. It’s pretty good.

Haley’s I’m not being ratioed

okay. I was like of all the things of all the things. I’m glad, I’m glad that it’s about my cat. I would prefer it to be about my band, but yeah,

Andrew: [00:05:39] but I mean, you’re getting people to probably click on your profile.

Emily: [00:05:43] Oh, yeah, sure. I’m sure we’ll go with, so, yeah, that’s um, that’s a lot of, what’s new with me.

What’s new with you, bud.

Andrew: [00:05:52] Uh, what’s new with me is, um, Golly. Uh, I put an offer on something for the first time in forever on reverb. Oh. And it got declined because someone paid full price for it. And I probably should have just paid full price for it upfront. Um, but it was one of those, like I’m looking at it.

I’m like, I know it’s a good price. I know it’s exactly what I want. And I know there’s probably not very many out there. Well, it was it. I was a copper sounds Telegraph. Like the stutter pedal. You type your hand on, there you go again.

Emily: [00:06:28] There aren’t a lot of those out there. I thought that that was like one of their stock offerings.

Andrew: [00:06:33] Not a lot of them out there in the color that I want a orange. Yeah. So this one is a, it was called Mars. It was like an orange sparkle look, looked great. And it was listed for like 70 bucks, which is one of the cheaper options

Emily: [00:06:47] that were full

Andrew: [00:06:48] price. And I, for some reason, I was like looking at I’m like, I dunno, I’ll just like, maybe I’ll offer 60 and just let them counter 65.

And that’s why they have a, make an offer button. Right? Yeah. Someone else paid full price a couple hours later. I’m like, well, Probably shouldn’t have paid for it just cause I tactically have the money doesn’t mean I have to spend it right now. There’s other things that could be saving for. That’s

Emily: [00:07:13] true.

Andrew: [00:07:14] It’s just true. Easy to buy, like, Oh look a $60 pedal here. A hundred dollars pedal here.

Emily: [00:07:19] Yeah. Um, and speaking of like cheap pedals, I did that. Moz effects, tiny fuzz demo. And like five people have messaged me that they bought that fuzz, including a couple pay, at least one patron Patrion support supporter.

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Andrew: [00:07:45] It’s a discord server. Yes. This

Emily: [00:07:48] yeah. Server. Where did I put the fuzz? But it’s, it’s really acute fuzz. Um, I might have. Moved it over closer to my board because I liked it a lot.

But, um, dude, where is it? Whatever, as I was playing it, I was like filming the demo. I’m like, this reminds me of something. What does this remind me of it? I remembered I went to Nashville in late 2019, and I didn’t bring, I didn’t bring my board. I just brought myself. Thank you, Rick. And, uh, and I, um, Oh yeah.

And I borrowed a fuzz pedal from a no-name fuzz pedal from, uh, my friend, Sean, and I liked it so much. I like, I kind of wanted to buy it from him. And then I’m playing this little tiny fuzz by Moz effects and I’m like, Oh my God, this, this is, this has gotta be like, The same, the same thing. It sounded really, really nice.

I liked it a lot. It reminded me of that. Nice. That was cool. And then I got, um, the blessed mother by Heather Brown electronical. I

Andrew: [00:09:00] saw that you got that.

Emily: [00:09:02] It sounds really good. I think I’m a convert convert to the, uh, inclusion of a clean blend and, uh, overdrive pedals.

Andrew: [00:09:10] It’s definitely a sound.

Emily: [00:09:14] It’s a sound says, Andrew,

Andrew: [00:09:18] I think I love the idea of a clean blend, but it just seems so strange at the same time. It’s like,

Emily: [00:09:25] I thought it added a lot of articulation to like

Andrew: [00:09:28] subtle, but also not all the same time. Oh, and

Emily: [00:09:32] Oh, wow. That was just loaded. Right in front of the camera.

Andrew: [00:09:35] You got a clear view of Percy’s ass.

Emily: [00:09:39] Yeah, baby’s got back. He’s a big kid. Let me show you what I’m working with. He has a big boy, um, 18 pounds

or

Andrew: [00:09:49] something.

Emily: [00:09:50] That’s twice the size of Carey twice the size

Andrew: [00:09:54] of poppy and they still fight. It’s really adding

Emily: [00:09:59] well, you know, probably is probably a little faster, younger.

Andrew: [00:10:03] Yeah. A bit faster, a bit younger.

Percy is a little on the geriatric side. Okay. Don’t sit on the mouse then he’s just going to hang

Emily: [00:10:11] out here. Is he a senior kitty?

Andrew: [00:10:14] Um, for kitty standards? I think so. Yeah. I think he’s what, like 11 years old, something like that, um,

Emily: [00:10:24] has gotta be like eight by now. Cause we got her when she was four or five.

We’ve had her for three or four years.

Andrew: [00:10:36] Now, while we got Percy, when he was a kitten, when I was in high school. Wow. Which was 10 or 11 years ago.

Emily: [00:10:50] Yeah. I think about how I graduated from college 10 years ago, this year I met Rick 10 years ago. This year. Well, hi Carrie. Oh, did you hear that?

Andrew: [00:11:02] We’re going to get another kitty on the podcast.

Emily: [00:11:10] Oh, she’s not going to let me pick her up. I kind of rotated over very slowly, looked down at her and I think she saw that look in my eyes. She wants me to go upstairs and play with her is what she was. But, um, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you hear that? They’re going to release more bliss factories potentially this week.

Andrew: [00:11:29] I did AMA on the day, this episode comes out with chase bliss.

Emily: [00:11:33] Oh

Andrew: [00:11:35] yeah. Joel is doing an AMA

Emily: [00:11:38] Oh, an AMA on Reddit. Oh, that’s

Andrew: [00:11:41] okay. I don’t know if it’s Reddit or Instagram off the top of my head. Nope. And yours coming right back. All right. Are you going to go, are you just going to park? You gonna park right here.

You’re gonna go, go on the cat episode one. Go on. I know, I know, but Oh, okay. You’re not going to go. Okay. He’s not going to go.

Emily: [00:12:04] Yeah. He’s a lap sitter. Um, I’m sure if you’re listening to this podcast, I really recommend switching over the video version at some point, just to see Percy just. Turn Andrew into his own personal chair.

Sofa. Yeah. So, uh, did you say the AMA is going to be on Reddit?

Andrew: [00:12:28] Um, you know, I think I might be on insert. I saw it announced on Instagram. Oh,

Emily: [00:12:32] like one of those story AMS, something like that. Interesting. I’ll have to watch that. Should be good, but, um, I was just playing the list factory yesterday. Okay. No, no,

Andrew: [00:12:45] no, no.

That was my crutch dude. Wow.

Emily: [00:12:52] So then I, um, I was actually, for the first time in the demo, I had some serious fun with the dip switches on the chase bliss pedal. So I turned it into a fuzzy tremolo. Totally. And then a fuzzy Ottawa.

Andrew: [00:13:09] I really liked the, like the tremolo sounds of the ramping, but I, I only play with it for a little bit before I pass it onto the next day.

Um, but I couldn’t for the life of me, figure out how to adjust like the L like the sine wave for the tremolo.

Emily: [00:13:28] I’m not sure you can. Cause it’s just ramping. I don’t know.

Andrew: [00:13:32] I feel like there’s gotta be like some sort of like a, hold, a switch and turn a knob or something like that to control the ramping on it.

Cause I vaguely remember that being a thing with my specter when I had it a couple of years back, like some hidden secondary functions. Um,

Emily: [00:13:48] Yeah. I mean, there’s more, there’s more dip switches on this. And then I was using, I was just like really quickly. I’m like, I’ve never done this. And they chase bliss demo.

I’ve never showed you how to cause every chase bliss pedal can be a chorus. If you try hard enough kind of thing, you know,

Andrew: [00:14:03] for that a tee,

Emily: [00:14:04] t-shirt pretty sure that’s something that like Ryan Berg from 60 cycle. Hum always says, they’re all choruses. I mean, he’s not wrong. No, he’s not wrong.

Andrew: [00:14:17] No. I mean, there’s a whole world of modulation.

Just pretty much every single unit they’ve done that I think is super rad.

Emily: [00:14:26] Yeah, no. So, uh, yeah, it, it probably, it would probably scratch an Iowasca itch if somebody. You know, really is super sad. They didn’t get an Iowa SCA.

Andrew: [00:14:38] Is that your way of subtly advertising your Iowasca for $1,500? No,

Emily: [00:14:45] I think that my what’s your, which do you think w would sell for more?

Like, which could I get more money out of if I was that kind of person, the Iowasca or the chase bliss, a jet loss.

Andrew: [00:14:57] Ooh. Um, yeah. Probably the gen loss,

Emily: [00:15:04] unless you probably trade both of those pedals for a really crappy car or a very nice bicycle.

Andrew: [00:15:16] Yeah. I mean, that’s one way of looking at it.

Emily: [00:15:22] Uh, Two crappy two very nice pedals for one very crappy car.

Yes.

Andrew: [00:15:34] Um, speaking of trading, um, I’m picking up a, uh, a lamp this afternoon. Oh, I love lamp. Um, I particularly love this lamp. Let me see if I can, uh, it’s going to take too long. Find a photo. Uh, some of my community, like for free pages, just basically like the, take my stuff away before I take the page. Uh, this one’s not part of the buy enough, nothing.

This one’s a different group, but same concept. Um, someone’s like, Hey, I’ve got a lamp here. It’s not working. Um, if you want it and you want to fix it, you can take it. I’m looking at him. The lampshade is like a stained glass, like episode one of star Wars situation. And I’m like,

Emily: [00:16:19] it’s like a, it’s like a collector’s star Wars item.

Oh my God.

Andrew: [00:16:24] It’s hideous, but it’s also so great.

Emily: [00:16:28] You’re going to send me a picture of that. That sounds

Andrew: [00:16:30] hilarious. I’m picking it up this afternoon. I want, it just makes me really happy and you should put

Emily: [00:16:35] a picture of it on the Instagram when you get it. I

Andrew: [00:16:37] should. Um, I’m, uh, it’s a lamp. It can’t be hard to fix it most.

Emily: [00:16:45] It’s probably just simple wiring stuff.

Andrew: [00:16:48] Yeah. I mean, that, that should be pretty easy. So fix it and make it work. And then we’ll do one of two things is I’ll probably put it on my desk at work, at least for a little bit. Cause I’ve got my own desk space. So my day job, which is nice. And I do go to the office a couple of times a week.

Um, so I’d probably get a kick out of doing that, or I’d be curious about putting it up on eBay once it’s functional and see, I see what the collectors would be willing to pay for it.

Emily: [00:17:18] I wonder, I want to Google star Wars laugh. Now, can you hear my cat scream? Right?

Andrew: [00:17:24] I can normally I wouldn’t be like, Oh, I got this for free.

I’m going to flip it by like, it, it takes a little bit of work.

Emily: [00:17:31] Yeah. I mean, it’s not, I wouldn’t describe that as like a flipping situation that, uh, to me, that to me is more like you, you just, you found something, you fixed it and ah, You deserve to make the money because the other person could have done that.

And they didn’t because at this point, if you have like vintage star Wars stuff, you know, there’s like a chance it’s worth money.

Andrew: [00:18:00] Yeah. 100%.

Emily: [00:18:06] Right. This message. My husband, like why is Carrie screaming, Gary? Hey. Someone, um, commented on the YouTube that I sound like Mara is a pan from Homestar runner.

Oh, damn. Look at that. Yeah. You know, I was looking at a picture like that, that, that, that was all that was in my research.

Andrew: [00:18:33] I

Emily: [00:18:33] know that is a hideous lamp

Andrew: [00:18:36] in the best way possible. I, uh,

Emily: [00:18:39] Vintage star Wars. So it was unsold. There was one unsold on eBay in 2018 is listed for $200. I don’t know how you ship that.

Like with any like, like that seems hard to

Andrew: [00:18:54] ship. That would be probably pretty hard to ship. Yes.

Emily: [00:19:00] Oh yeah. It’s probably

Andrew: [00:19:05] that we’ll see. Maybe it disassembles who knows.

Maybe, I don’t know. I I’m telling myself, I might flip it just to make myself feel better for having it around probably is what’s going on in my head.

Emily: [00:19:18] Yeah. I mean, you’re going to keep that cause you love star Wars is my guess. The

Andrew: [00:19:22] next time I rearranged my, my, this area or if we move this area to a different part of the house that, uh, then I I’ll, I’ll find a way to like put that in a corner on like,

Emily: [00:19:34] yeah, I think it’s okay to have, like, I think every office needs like one nerdy thing, at least one like nerdy thing.

Like this is, this is something that brings me joy and I don’t care if it’s not aesthetically pleasing or if it doesn’t fit.

Andrew: [00:19:50] Is my giant Lego star Wars ship, my Lego or my star Wars lunchbox, my star Wars, uh, pint glasses. And behind that, I have a poster from the Hobbit. That’s all just off camera.

Oh, and then there’s a, two-block hiding up by the Hi-Fi system. On top of the

Emily: [00:20:15] shelf. I finally found my MA’s effects pedal. Yes, it’s a birdie with a knife. Am I catching you catch you. It sounds like I’m a terrible eighties song. I’m a cut. You like cuckoo. Could nurse a Beatles song. Cuckoo chew.

Andrew: [00:20:46] All right, Mr. Edward, we’re going too far.

Emily: [00:20:48] We’re going too far. We probably need to get back, get back to get back to it at some point. I’m not going to open that up. Um, should we thank our sponsor? They ever town, we

Andrew: [00:20:59] Lamberton what’s with you. I’d never getting his name. Right.

Emily: [00:21:04] It’s collabora tones

Andrew: [00:21:07] that we don’t pick up.

Can I tell a story. I’m going to tell a

Emily: [00:21:13] story. Are you, are you serious? It’s uh, terms as an F

Andrew: [00:21:18] yeah. www.lamberttowns.com.

Emily: [00:21:22] Ranbir tones, pickups.com. How about, uh,

Andrew: [00:21:27] yep. Well, there you

Emily: [00:21:28] go. Cyber ton and, Oh, it’s plural. Not possessive. Sorry, Curtis. Well, I’m pretty sure that, um, It’s told in an episode, the episode, we don’t have my column.

Curtis labor town?

Andrew: [00:21:44] No, no. So when we, the podcasts where we can try to get together a few episodes to start, we went out to Yakima where he’s based out of, and he actually had us over to our house. And, um, I remember during the intro, you refer to him as Curtis Lambert.

Emily: [00:22:04] Right. That’s that’s what it was. I had a friend, um, my guitar teacher in high school.

His name was, uh, Lambert.

Andrew: [00:22:11] And so we get back to Seattle and I’m just scrubbing through everything to edit. I’m like, hold on a second, play it again. I mean, welcome to the show, Curtis Lambert and welcome to the show. Curtis Lambert. I’m like, Oh no. Oh no. And so we’re a member, um, doing was, I think I got you to give me like, record like five different times.

If you

Emily: [00:22:36] sing Lambert tone, like Leverton like five times Curtis Lamberton and you were going to, uh, well,

Andrew: [00:22:46] yeah, so I dropped into logic and I was using the Auto-Tune, uh, or like the, the pitch correction. And I actually got it to pitch. Correct. Pretty close. Um, but I still couldn’t like, the cadence just seemed weird, but it was less weird than saying Lamberg anyways.

Emily: [00:23:02] Um, and then, and then your, your intelligent wife said, why don’t you just cut out where she says the last name?

Andrew: [00:23:09] Yep. Yep.

Emily: [00:23:12] Is that why I edit the podcast now? Um,

Andrew: [00:23:15] that’s part of it. I overthink things sometimes. Actually a lot of the time I overthink things. Some, I think I took like a week of like every evening trying to edit that and get it all nailed down just right in the end, finally, to give up and say, well, we were using an unideal Mike situation and we’d just be okay with that.

Emily: [00:23:38] Yeah. We tried. We were, we were, we were in the learning process for sure. And there’s does nothing to be ashamed of.

Andrew: [00:23:47] Curtis. You were super kind to us at that point. Um, and so at that point

Emily: [00:23:53] he still is, but he wasn’t at that point also.

Andrew: [00:23:56] Uh, he’s one of the kindest guys I’ve met in this industry, like legitimately, um,

Emily: [00:24:01] he’s, he’s, he’s a real bro.

He’s a real, real one. He’s the homie.

Andrew: [00:24:05] So anyways, um, He is a sponsor of the show once again, and we do appreciate it. Curtis is awesome and don’t sleep on his pickups. I know we just talked a lot about Curtis, but tell you what take our word for is his pickups. Just sound good. Go check them out. Uh, and take her word on the fact that he’s just a real, really great guy and you should support him with your money.

So just pause the episode, go check out his website for a couple of minutes. It’s a great looking website. Um, cause he is also a photographer, um, previous to doing this. Um, she’s got some great footage and photos kind of just

Emily: [00:24:41] coffee.

Andrew: [00:24:42] He is a lover of coffee. I’ve learned some things about coffee from him.

We messaged back and forth about coffee. Sometimes I’m like, teach me your ways. Um, anyway, so go check, check it out. Curtis is great. He’s one of the people that 100% would support with my money. No questions asked. Yeah.

Emily: [00:25:00] Cool. So, um, If you would like to support this podcast, there are a couple of ways you can do that.

We’ve already mentioned our Patrion patrion.com/get offset. You can also buy merge@getusatpodcast.com slash shop. You can buy things from the affiliate links in the show notes for reverb and Sweetwater and distro kid. Uh, the district kid will actually save you 7% on your first year at distro kid. And then sister, kid.com/vip/get offset.

So, um, yeah, you can also like comment, subscribe, please leave an iTunes review. We always say this at the end of the episode, and that’s probably better to say it right now while people are still listening.

Andrew: [00:25:43] So speaking of people that you would support, um, with your money with some questions asked? Um, I would say we’re probably on that list for a lot of people.

Just some questions.

Emily: [00:25:56] Oh, I hope so. Carrie, come here.

Where are you? Come here. Does amazing. Kara, want a cookie?

Do you want a cookie? Okay.

Andrew: [00:26:26] Gonna try and get her to. Appear on camera. You just trying to make her happy. And I’m just trying

Emily: [00:26:31] to make her shut up at this point.

Andrew: [00:26:36] Carrie, want a cookie

Emily: [00:26:41] cookie cookie cookie. There you go. All right. Lots of cat meows. This episode, Joe Bragg. It will be. Stoked.

It’s more like, it

sounds like maybe she’s not going to jump up on my lap, like procedure drop on yours. Person’s

Andrew: [00:27:10] kind of like a dog like that. Cause I’ll just be like, come here, bud. And I’ll just like, Oh dude, dude, dude. And just jump up.

Emily: [00:27:17] Yeah. Carrie’s uh, has had her cookie and now she is going to sit in the window for awhile, stare at people and make them hide under the sofa.

Andrew: [00:27:29] Oh, even better? Yes. All right. Topic.

Emily: [00:27:36] There’s been some drama this week in the independent pet pedal builder community, there has dramarama they’ll access surprised

Andrew: [00:27:47] what would I be surprised about

Emily: [00:27:51] all things? I kind of want to do this without naming names, because at least one of the brands in this, like we’ve talked about before, and I just don’t really feel like driving more people to this person’s business, particularly, but we’ll say, um, one brand is an American, uh, owned pedal company that has in the past couple of years, really doubled down into, um, The marketing is like almost aggressively, like right wing.

It’s aggressively, right wing to the point where this person has named pedals after, um, right-wing political slogans. Yeah. I

Andrew: [00:28:34] mean, I’m fine with like, uh, uh, right wing leaning, but like straight up violent though is kind of

Emily: [00:28:40] it’s bad. It’s just, I just, there’s no way to say it other than like everything this guy says.

Is bad. It’s it’s homophobic often. It’s certainly sexist. Um,

Andrew: [00:28:54] although some of the parody accounts I’ve seen,

Emily: [00:28:59] they’re a parody like this person is so like reviled that there are literal parody accounts that take has his images and hashtags. And it’s really a. I don’t know if I can get down with it. Cause I think it’s pretty homophobic also for like implying that he’s gay, which I think there’s something wrong with.

Obviously there’s something wrong with being gay, but like when someone is so homophobic and anti-gay, you kind of want to hit them where it hurts and I do get that, but this guy, Oh my God. Sorry. He just put, I just looked it up. His most recent picture is just like, Uh, an AR style rifle, it looks like it looks like it says.

PA 15 multi, um, and then, uh, his pedal that’s named after a right wing slogan. And then the captures, let freedom ring, baby. U S S U S U S U S. Thank you. So yeah, lots of guns, lots of things. He took down his statement. No, maybe not. But, um, so he got into it with another pedal builder. This other pedal builder is based in Europe.

And, um, how I came to discover this was the European pedal builder posted about this us builder leaving a really terrible negative review on their Facebook page. And one that I would say is. Obviously fake enough, but also bad. Um, let me run and read from that. If I can, if I can

Andrew: [00:30:56] pull it up, Lander lawsuit probably wouldn’t go very far because of how absurd it clearly is.

Emily: [00:31:03] I think it’s um, is it liable when it’s written, uh, horrible customer support, garbage quality pedals, bad tone. This dude who owns his hobby level company must be a racist white supremacist fascist. As I don’t believe they had donated a single penny of the black lives matter nor Antifa you don’t donate money to Antifa dummy.

Um, the owner is a lame excuse for a Cami loving leftist socialist uncle salad, and brother-in-law are not happy with this new generation of soft leftist activists. This business needs to hire more women, people of color, non binary, LGBTQ engineers, not enough diversity in the workplace. The shop environment is lame too many white emo loving soy boy, better.

Beta males lounging around playing air guitar, not gaming serious. Work done. No wonder all their pedals sound like a wet fart. You also have to question the judgment of an owner who puts tats on she, her neck and hands. It just screams unemployable for the record. This Pell company seems to be owned by a man.

Um, we’ll get to that in a minute. I recommend you buy a random pedal on Ali express over this place. Lame P S I heard a rumor that the owner is secret lover of state police, and that he has a boyfriend and the German armed forces. He loves to drive. He drives a big sexy leopard to tank.

Andrew: [00:32:20] I mean, I would like to drive a tank personally.

Emily: [00:32:23] It’s a lot to unpack in that negative review. And, um, I will say that no matter what prompted this, I don’t think that this was good in any way. It is homophobic. It is sexist, potentially trans fell back. Um, Just really crappy all around and not funny you got a print out or something? No,

Andrew: [00:32:47] I actually printed out the statement and I think the best way to encapsulate everything that was just said is just

Emily: [00:32:57] for those listening, he balled up the paper and threw it over his right shoulder.

Andrew: [00:33:04] Injured

Emily: [00:33:04] dead for good luck for good luck. I thought it was salt and it was the left shoulder. Only if you see

Andrew: [00:33:10] a black cat,

Emily: [00:33:11] I did

Andrew: [00:33:13] well. Anyways. Um,

Emily: [00:33:16] yeah. So should we talk about, so that’s, that’s what I woke up to one morning and, uh, on asking some questions.

What I found out was that the German I’m sorry, the European based pedal builder had issued some public comments on, uh, some of the paid demos at this American builder. Had, um, you know, um, what’s the word commissioned? Um, they saying things like, did you know that this guy, what actually I should, I shouldn’t paraphrase.

Did you know that this pedal builder also sells the Klan drive and the right-wing political slogan drive? And half of that is true. This person does sell a pedal that is named after a, um, a very right wing political slogan. As far as I can tell, this person has never sold a Klan drive though.

Andrew: [00:34:17] Yeah. I’m not aware of any unit, but I don’t know.

I’m finding myself calling back to the episode series we did on trolls. Yeah. And I’m just looking at this and going, why did he feed the troll? Why didn’t you feed the troll? Why, why would

Emily: [00:34:38] you poke? Why would you poke a bear that stat unstable. Like, that’s not, that was not there. So this is kind of a situation where if this was on Reddit in the, in the subreddit, am I the asshole?

I would very gently say they’re both assholes, but one’s a bigger asshole. Like this European builder probably should not have been publicly saying that this person. Has a drive pedal named after a terrorist organization, unless you have like proof of that. And as far as I can tell, this person does not, this person is obviously very anti black lives matter very,

Andrew: [00:35:24] is he capable of cleaning white bedsheets?

I’m not entirely certain, so

Emily: [00:35:31] I’m not going to make that insinuation. But I just, I don’t like this. I don’t like this. Like I don’t, I don’t like this American federal company and I think it should be pretty obvious why they use sexist advertising practices, the things that come out of this guy’s mouth or like via his keyboard, I think are pretty deplorable.

And I will say that I just, I think there, I think it’s pretty deplorable. Um, I think this guy’s a jackass to be clear, and I don’t think that he would disagree that he’s a jackass. Cause if you, if you, if you, if you, if you’re going to say, if you’re going to behave like this, I think you have to have some self realization that you are being

Andrew: [00:36:12] forced to not care.

Emily: [00:36:15] Yeah. But this is also like, so, um, we know that now we know a kick this off this European company commented on a YouTube demos. Uh, saying that, did you know, this guy has these pedals that are named, named after one’s true. And one is not true as far as I can tell. And, um, he obviously, Oh, yep. And also called, uh, the owner of the American company openly racist.

Andrew: [00:37:03] I I’m not willing to disagree with that claim personally,

Emily: [00:37:05] but I’m not either. I’m not either, but I don’t know. I also wouldn’t be the one saying I wouldn’t be my company name on that. Now. I wouldn’t be publishing that from a company account. She thinks you’re being open about like what you’re doing, but.

Andrew: [00:37:26] Our gung-ho American compadre is a, he doesn’t care. So he knows what he’s doing. He doesn’t care. It comes off to people who don’t like it. In fact, I would go as far as to say he probably enjoys like on an intrinsic

Emily: [00:37:41] level. Yeah. This guy really, really does. Like he really does. I think that’s clear. And what happens with us American company is that it feels like every couple months he comes out and he does something, this level of outrageous.

And gets the

Andrew: [00:38:00] attention. It gets reposts and drives traffic to his channel. And really there’s a handful of people that like, most people look at that and say like, Whoa, Whoa, no, no, no, no, no, not okay. But then there’s like the three or four people that go like, heck yeah, brother. Um, yeah,

Emily: [00:38:15] freedom. No consequences

Andrew: [00:38:20] and they go to eat or something and he sells like his album eight pedals.

Yeah.

Emily: [00:38:25] Yeah. So he probably, he, I, my guess is that he does this intentionally, wherever he needs a sales boost. That’s like the marketer in me says like that

Andrew: [00:38:35] outrageous. Yeah. When you get kicked back, you say my freedoms are being suppressed. And then you use that as leverage for pity, for sales. I mean, that’s.

Emily: [00:38:45] That is. Yeah.

Andrew: [00:38:48] So I think the logical thing is just allow, just ignore it and allow that sort of marketing technique to die in mediocrity, mediocre, nothingness.

Emily: [00:39:02] Yeah, because it’s giving it is the, and that’s, that’s exactly why we’re not naming either of these companies. Um, because we don’t really want them to get more attention.

Well name, attention for behaving this way. It’s because like, it’s like when Morgan Wallen was videotaped saying the N word, getting suspended by his label, not dropped suspended and dropped by a couple of agencies, that’ll reassign them and six months or whatever. Right? Like he, he, his sales like quadrupled.

Yep. That’s what happens. It’s like when people complain about things like cancel culture, like I’m sorry. Mostly people getting canceled, get wealthy in the process.

Andrew: [00:39:53] That’s definitely not out of the realm of possibility for a lot of those instances. I mean, I’m looking at like Gina Carano and everyone’s like, Oh, well she got canceled.

I’m like, no, she clearly said something that her as a co she’s clearly one, a representative of her employer publicly, too. She used her public platform to say something that was not representative of her, of her employer’s culture wishes her employer, then say, Hey, like, Maybe we apologize for this and let’s move on and let’s figure something out.

She then said, Del her agent dropped her. She continued to post things that were, that she knew exactly were not in line with her employer, her employer

Emily: [00:40:36] then flam. They were inflammatory antisemitic comments is they were about the Holocaust.

Andrew: [00:40:43] Yeah. I mean, I think

Emily: [00:40:46] that in a Holocaust thing where you have to tread lightly, no matter what you’re saying,

Andrew: [00:40:51] Right.

Emily: [00:40:53] And for those who don’t know, this was the actress from the Mandalorian who was quote fired for being conservative, but they knew she was conservative when they hired her. Right. I mean, separately, Kelsey grammar is conservative and openly conservative people know it. I don’t think it impacts his ability to get work.

I don’t think he’s getting fired from TV shows or opportunities because he’s conservative, I

Andrew: [00:41:15] think, without digging into the conservative liberal, whatever othering kind of types of conversations, I think. Yeah, because I think to an extent, I mean, That’s just a way to gain leverage in the whole conversation.

I think just to break it down in simple terms and that’s an employer based thing, but so you look at that and you go, okay, well then they’re going to profit off of that. Gina Carano already has a movie deal, um, was with a conservative, uh,

Emily: [00:41:41] failed screenwriter, Ben Shapiro. He really wants to be a screenwriter before he started the daily wire.

Yeah.

Andrew: [00:41:50] Just don’t feed it. Um,

Emily: [00:41:53] now yeah, it’s it really is. It’s it’s I think, let’s say, I think that the idea of cancel culture is like the satanic panic and that it doesn’t exist. Like there was this huge satanic panic in the eighties, and you’re probably too young. Like I got kind of the last wave of that when I was little, but they really thought that like preschool teachers were.

Ritualistically abusing children. It created as a whole entire state panic panic with like the idea of loss memories, Christine remembers and all this crazy stuff. And it was none of it was real. It was just like, it was literally just imaginations. You

Andrew: [00:42:32] mean to tell me that Chrissy Tiegen doesn’t have whole frozen children in her fridge

Emily: [00:42:37] and that’s the new satanic panic, but it’s not Satanism.

It’s it’s

Andrew: [00:42:45] uh, yeah.

Emily: [00:42:46] Whatever man, like just, yeah.

Andrew: [00:42:49] So I mean, bringing that back, I mean, yes is gotta be consequences, but in other instances with cancel culture, which I don’t know, um, there’s an employer situation where there. There’s a power dynamic where there’s clear, like consequences are set up. Hey, if you do this, this is going to happen.

Then somebody does it. And this happens now when you’ve got an independent brand and you don’t have that kind of oversight, especially if they don’t have dealers and it’s all direct to consumer.

Emily: [00:43:21] Yeah. All you can do is ignore it and not buy it. If you

Andrew: [00:43:24] don’t want no way to really enact anything, unless it goes to a level of, unless what they’re saying or doing goes to a level of, um, crossing some legal boundaries, which is inflammatory, is everything he said is nothing really has, unless you want to spend a lot of money to try to push for like a libel slander lawsuit.

Well,

Emily: [00:43:46] there are countries where it’s a lot easier to try for, um, label. Sure. Then, then like the UK or the United States, like there, like I’m sure that there are some countries where like making some of these claims could be considered a family story enough. Like I would, I really hesitate against the famous story statement, but then again, this European builder also says something that as far as you are, I could tell in our research isn’t true.

This person does not seem to have a pedal that’s named after a terrorist Mrs. Terrorist organization.

Andrew: [00:44:21] Sure. So that’s going both ways. It’s certainly not going to help you because all you’re doing is giving up the high ground. No. Yeah.

Emily: [00:44:29] And that’s hard. It’s I don’t think it’s worth, I don’t think it’s usually worth giving up the high ground unless you are like, I, I, uh, unlike.

A nonpolitical basis because you look, I think you have to kind of match what the other person is doing sometimes. And sometimes that does involve kind of like fudging the high ground a little bit, but this is not even close to one of those instances.

Andrew: [00:44:56] Yeah. I don’t know.

Emily: [00:44:58] I don’t think that that like, so that, cause sometimes you have to beat them at their own game.

I

Andrew: [00:45:03] don’t think this is a game where anyone wins. I think you just take a step back and you say it’s over small, independent pedal builder. I have the high ground.

Emily: [00:45:12] Yeah. And that’s, I think that that was a bad move on the European builder’s part because you’re right. It, it, it creates a place where this American builder can garner sympathy that I don’t particularly think he deserves.

But, um, let’s see. Do, do, do I want to read the American builders statement? No. No, Nope. But I will say that the American builder will talk about like, so-and-so initiated this. They started that they started it. No one should be bullied online, but they bully people online. Clearly like you can say you were defending yourself, but you, you took it a lot farther and that’s not good

Andrew: [00:46:02] implying that there’s double standards is a great way to, or using double standards to play.

The victim card is a great way to get. Sympathy is the victim. It just ignore it.

Emily: [00:46:13] Sometimes it’s double standards and sometimes it’s just, what about as, um, but like, so you can

Andrew: [00:46:18] talk about, it feels bad for even just talk, like, even just talking in vague terms about this. I guess the advice is just, especially if there’s no legal or employer oversight.

You’re kind of just left with, they can do what they want. It’s their brand. They can say what they want within a legal boundary. I mean,

Emily: [00:46:41] yeah, but I will, I, there’s something I do kind of want to say, just to kind of kind of wrap this up is that one thing in the American brand statement was, um, No one deserves to be harassed and bullied online, regardless of their political, religious, racial identity, sexual orientation or gender period.

And to that, I say, then stop calling men, women, like it’s an insult stop, make, stop implying that someone is gay. Like it’s an insult, honestly like, Ew, Ew, Ew, Ew. You say that you don’t like to be bullied online, but the truth is you’re an asshole online constantly. You are you, you are defensive whenever, whenever somebody says anything about this guy, like, like, like saying, Hey dude, this is not cool.

He gets so defensive instead of introspective and that kind of rage and inability to like take a step back and look at what you’re doing and think maybe somebody else has a point is, is really what feeds into this. Uh, the, this feeling like he’s being bullied because for a lot of people, if someone says like, you’re wrong, you shouldn’t say that the, the instinct is to say, well, screw you, what do you know about me?

And like, it’s th the instinct is to get defensive and it takes a bigger person to step back. Think about why that person say that said that maybe decide whether or not you, what you think that what they said has any, like, weight to it. And. Then then react because like on this podcast, you and I have both said things where someone was like that wasn’t cool.

And we had to take a step back and we’re like, yeah, it wasn’t, was it?

Andrew: [00:48:26] Yeah. But I mean, some people, so you get a couple of things though, is like the, the reaction you just gave, I think is the reaction he’s trying to elicit out of people. And if he ever watches this podcast, he’s going to love the hell out of what you just said.

Emily: [00:48:41] I don’t care. Cause I’m not, I’m not saying this for him. None of this. Like, I, I, listen, I know this person doesn’t care. What I think that’s fine. I’m saying this for other people who might still have more capacity, I think to

Andrew: [00:49:00] consider their behavior. Some people don’t have. Don’t have that capacity and, or refuse to engage that capacity.

They don’t have the interest into that. I say, shake the dust off your feet and, and move on. I mean, that’s

Emily: [00:49:15] no, it’s easy. I, you know what, I, I, I do think it’s easier to not get riled up personally, frankly, Andrew, when, when you’re not like one of these identities that are being hurled around, like their insults.

Sure.

Andrew: [00:49:32] So

Emily: [00:49:34] it’s, it’s a little bit harder and you know, that stuff doesn’t burn me the way you used to. Um, like I’m a big girl. I’m, I’ve like experienced a lot worse than what this guy is, you know, saying about women. But I don’t, I don’t want other young girls who are coming up in, in the music and gear and guitar that to have to experience the same kind of crap that I experienced and that, you know, People experienced older women older than me experience when they were coming up, when it was even worse, I just want to continue to get better.

And I just, I really want people to think about like how stupid it is to, um, act like being a woman’s an insult act like being transgender as an insult act like being gay is an insult because it’s not, I agree.

Andrew: [00:50:27] Yeah. No. So, I mean, I agree that it doesn’t hit me in the same way. Um, and I certainly can see like readily concede that it’d be very frustrating to, to watch that all unfold.

If it was directed towards a category that you identify with. So. No, I, I, I fully concede all of that, but at the same time, I don’t think it’s unfair to acknowledge that if you react a certain way, you’re giving this person one what they want and two more free marketing. So,

Emily: [00:50:59] well, yeah, but again, I’m not talking to him.

Andrew: [00:51:03] Sure. No, I agree. I. I want the, I want the industry to continue to improve in its culture. I think seeing that, you know, 90% of the gear world is pre vehemently, like yeah, that did sucks. Move on.

Emily: [00:51:19] I think that’s a

Andrew: [00:51:19] win. Yeah. I mean, I think that’s set in the right direction. I think I feel pretty comfortable knowing that I have blocked.

Uh, said builder, other builders that have just straight up blocked, don’t even give them the attention. Don’t even give them the traffic of looking at it. And every once I do have a burner Instagram account every once in a while, a good check in on a couple of things. Um, but that’s mostly just to, um,

Emily: [00:51:46] yeah, I try to not block people.

Honestly. I just, I do try to not block people.

Andrew: [00:51:54] I don’t typically, but there’s a certain level of toxicity where I just have to shake the dust off my feet and say Sinai.

Emily: [00:52:01] Yeah.

Oh man. So, uh, anything else we want to talk about?

Andrew: [00:52:17] Uh, I mean, on that note, uh, I would say, all people are welcome to listen to the spot gas. All people should feel safe listening to this podcast. Uh, and yeah, like I like people, not the, I’m not typically the hyper judgey type

Emily: [00:52:36] one. All of us needs to life people. I’m kidding. Kidding.

Andrew: [00:52:42] I’m getting grouchy or the older I get, I give it, I give it another five years before I’m full-out curmudgeon.

But until then,

Emily: [00:52:52] I, I, you know, I L I like missing. I like misanthropes. I feel like I’m just naturally drawn to really misanthropic people, like, which is, which is probably like a nightmare for them. Like, Oh, you’re grumpy. I like you.

I don’t know why. I just, I get along well with grumpy people. I used to work at a library and one of the older life librarians, she was, I didn’t think she liked me very much. And she probably didn’t. And, uh, I was talking to another coworker cause I’m like, I have a shift, a shift with her coming up. I don’t think she likes me.

And he’s like, Oh, she’s easy to get along with. Just like offer her some food and come find something that you can mutually complain about. And, uh, So the next shift, I brought some cookies and I, um, cause cause normally she didn’t like she would get kind of mad if you would like eat at the desk or whatever.

And I was just eating some cookies and I turned to her and was like, has somebody left? Somebody checked out 60 books at once and then just immediately returned them all the other day. And that was. That was horrible. Cause they just like put them like 60 books in the checkout box, like the box outside the library to return them.

And so it took me like five trips to bring them back. And I’m like, I just checked these books out to somebody. Uh, and she, and then, and then she was like, Oh, that’s terrible. And then I looked at her, I’m like, do you want a cookie? And she’s looks at me and says, Yes, I would. And then we were fast buddies.

She, then she, after that, she would like, let me watch movies on my, my laptop while I was working, actually mostly I watched the Twilight zone and she’ll be like, Oh, this is a good one. I’ve seen it before. I won’t spoil it for you. I want to pull it forward for you.

Well, that’s probably why I like cats. It’s fair. Sorry, that was, that was a big digression, but I felt like we needed to have a little pallet cleanser.

Andrew: [00:54:58] Sure. No, I appreciate the pallet cleanser, but I’m also still musing on one of my favorite philosophers views of the high ground.

Emily: [00:55:08] Is it a rush lyric?

Andrew: [00:55:10] Uh, no, uh, Obi wan Kenobi.

Emily: [00:55:11] Ah, that makes more sense. Yeah. Oh, about what he’s saying. I have the high ground etiquette.

Andrew: [00:55:18] Yeah. We watched that last night. Um, Melissa, hadn’t seen that movie since she was a kid and we’ve watching the clone Wars. Um, we got, got to season seven, reached the point where season seven of clone Wars intersects with a revenge of the Sith.

And so we watch revenge of the Sith last night. And then the last few episodes of Kilmore season seven, I think we were all just like completely puffy. I. Tear it up by the end of the evening. Wow. It’s revenge of the Sith ends really sad, but somehow the end of season seven of clone Wars is just like that much, like more hits you in the gut.

Sad stuff. Really heavy.

Emily: [00:56:02] I cried watching this week. So this is us.

Andrew: [00:56:05] I think that shows engineered to make you cry though.

Emily: [00:56:07] Yeah. Oh yeah. A hundred percent. They do a really good job at it. Neat. Well, um, in case

Andrew: [00:56:18] you’re watching this, there’s like depressing TV and bonding over hating people.

Emily: [00:56:25] Well, in case you’re watching this on Tuesday, this demo that I filmed of this pedal that I bought should be, um, out.

So please go watch that. I feel like we’re winding down. Are you going to play the theme song on that?

Andrew: [00:56:49] No, I could probably figure it out, but probably not on the spot.

I dunno.

Emily: [00:57:01] I’m waiting. Well, thanks for watching.

Andrew: [00:57:08] Thank you for listening to my cat’s purrs.

Emily: [00:57:11] Thanks for listening to my cat screams. Uh, thanks for understanding until next time. My name is Emily. My

Andrew: [00:57:19] name is Andrew. Goodbye. Bye.