Get Offset Episode 135: Industry Plants

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Emily: welcome to the good offset podcast. My name is Emily and my name is Andrew and you’re just lost my hat. Goodness. Cause the intro went off without a hitch. It went off without a hitch. I felt the needs of eardrum. Like I was listening to a Tom Sawyer and yeah, naturally when you had to do a rush reference there didn’t you did everyone else, do you do like absolutely intense air drumming?

[00:00:37] Are you impressed that I got the rush reference to someone who doesn’t like rush. Yeah. But also you don’t have to like rush to understand references. Yeah. But they just mostly reference other people’s, you know, creative ideas. It could be a lot of things. Have some respect for the dead. Okay.

[00:01:02] Uh, well, how are you then? I feel like we haven’t, we haven’t actually recorded in a couple of weeks. Yeah. I’m not going to lie. It was, it, it was kind of nice to, to not have to worry about it for a few weeks. It was nice to take a little bit of time off from

[00:01:16] it.

[00:01:16] Emily: Time off is good. Yeah. It was just really strange.

[00:01:19] Like, wait, am I supposed to, are we recording this week? No, no. Let’s try doing the math in my head. Having stress dreams, wake you up. We didn’t do it episode. Yeah. I think the thing is like we had been just trying to accommodate a bunch of other schedules. So we ended up having a couple of weeks where we did like, uh, two episodes and like a one week period, what, you know, a lot of people do.

[00:01:43] But when you’re trying to like come up with topics and like talk about new stuff, like you’re kind of like, I don’t, I don’t know what to talk about with your anymore friends. So a couple of weeks. Couple of weeks is good. Totally. Yeah. Can I tell you what we did last night? Yeah, we smoked a pork butt to actually my family.

[00:02:05] I have some family in town for the first time in a long time. And, uh, for the first time, since I got the Trager, so we did an overnight smoke of some, uh, pulled pork and it was ready as of this morning. Nice. Did he ever for breakfast, are you waiting for lunch? Just letting it rest. We’re letting it rest for lunch.

[00:02:22] Nice. Very excited. It looks like it turned out really well. It was faster than I thought it would happen. So I’ve come kind of like that’s, that’s always the, this could be great. Or was it too fast? This is what happened. Well, it wasn’t too fast. They were two, three pound four quests. Cause that’s all QFC had this.

[00:02:44] So like, well, I, I know they always say two hours per pound, but I’m like, it’s, that’s never happened small. It’s going to go a little quicker. Yeah. A little quicker, but it was still closer to nine hours. Gotcha. Yeah. Usually 120 minutes a pound that fast, it can be as fast as 98, which is probably why it did turned out.

[00:03:05] So dry last time, which was a good reminder. I need to get a new thermometer before I tell it to another round. Yeah. Yeah. We’re sitting pretty, uh, it was like, oh man, it’s looking at like two 25 to 30, like just right at the sweet spot was gone really quick and then tested the monitor again and like, oh no, she wanted those little thermal gun.

[00:03:32] So you can just point it at the, at the smoker, from your room. Yeah. But is that allowed in city limits or there we’ll go. Are you joking? Yeah. It’s a firearm joke. A lot joke. Firearm guns. What’s that? Is that cartoon. Oh, like a gun. Gotcha. All right. Okay. Not gun guns. Sure. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Yes. So what’s new with you.

[00:04:02] What’s behind me, not a green screen anymore. This is not a green screen now with it interacting with it listeners. Oh, you’re out of focus again. Oh, he’s showing off his tapping skills Jennings Voyager deluxe. That is what that guitar is built for. Is I van Halen? Yeah. Uncle Layla is a little bit close to the air base.

[00:04:31] There it is. Yeah. That’s not where it was intended or that’s not the intended final destination. I know I’ve got a bookshelf over here, a little bit of wall space. I’ll probably put that just so I can easily grab that without having to move people who watch, um, some of my demos. We’ll see, I have a, a mandolin up here and it’s actually a smaller, um, smaller hanger.

[00:04:53] Yeah. I got a smaller hanger, but it was an empty slot, which will hopefully be filled sometime this year. Let’s go ahead and put that rose with that grade on it though. I thought about it, but I’ve got it like in the closet, like away from sunlight rack under the blanket. Yeah, no, actually I just put in blackout curtains over here.

[00:05:14] I’ve got one more window to cover and blackout curtains. I just need to order something. That’ll fit this odd shape window. Okay. Yeah, we all have blackout curtains in my studio. Sometimes. I wish I did. The thing is like if you’ve been to my house and in this room, as you have the people who lived here before us, they decided that like this, these cast iron fixtures would make great a curtain.

[00:05:37] Curtain rods. And I think the only reason that they did not take these curtains is that they probably just completely forgot how to undo, undo them. So I think I’m, I think I’m really stuck with these curtains for the rest of my life. The third pair of scissors couldn’t fix, but then, then you have to get the new ones on.

[00:05:54] So then you have to get like the portable sewing machine. I don’t want to do that. I’m just going to live with always having a cool color to my demos that are filmed during the day. Well, yeah, I like having the option to, uh, to adjust and control orange sofa by the way, Facebook marketplace. I can’t even claim that I found it.

[00:06:20] Um, was it nice being the interior design phenomenon that she is. Naps on it yet? No, I haven’t. We actually probably need to redo the stuffing on it. There’s there’s like a crater right in the middle where like, if I sit in the edges, it’s fine. But if I go exactly in the middle, like I fall between like, I don’t know, a couple of support beams or the spring, there’s just dead bodies.

[00:06:43] Just like falling completely through.

[00:06:48] Amazing. I, it comes apart like the arms come off. Uh, if I need to, I can pull it forward and it folds flat. I was about to say as a sleeper, isn’t it? Yeah. Yeah. So that’s why there’s that weird bar in the middle.

[00:07:06] But you know, like the back of the couch literally like folds back. So you pull it forward. It’s kind of like a car seat headrest, not the band, not the band, good band, but not the band. And then we, we already had these pillows laying around him. Most of us tried to donate them several times in a row. Tried fucking rejected.

[00:07:27] Try it and fail. No, I reject projecting it. Yeah. I like these pillows, but we’ve never had like a couch or a situation where they made sense. So they make perfect sense. They make perfect sense right here. Excellent. Foresight is finally come full circle. So yeah. So now I have, uh, an orange couch. I have an orange guitar.

[00:07:45] I’ve got so much orange throughout the room. We’ve got an orange painting over there. I have an orange clipboard on the wall with my to-do list. I’m sincerely so happy for you to have your own little orange Haven. That’s nice. I’ve got a door that shuts for the fence. Not amazing. No more haunted, disjointed children’s voices.

[00:08:03] Yeah. Um, yeah, that’s always money. It’s like watching you and then watching you like reach for the, be like that. Yeah. In the mute button, doing that. The parents stare when the child comes right around the corner. How many, I want to know how many episodes we have of you turning around and going, oh, are a couple of times where I’ve had to walk off camera for a minute to go deal with parental duties.

[00:08:38] But, um, speaking of lighting control, let me, uh, I got sent home for some testing, a couple of toys. I swear, actually legit. Yeah. I just cause, cause I do some focus group stuff and I’m not always allowed to talk about, I, I will talk about the toys independently of whatever your thoughts are.

[00:09:07] What? That was a weird sentence. Yes. I’m trying to wrap my brain around that one a little bit.

[00:09:17] I will share my personal opinion. If you don’t mind. Sure. Um, no. So I guess at home with these, for testing, for, um, trying to actually write out some code to control these things separately, but they all, they do come in with a built-in app they’re called, uh, their El Gato brand, uh, key lights and yeah, so I’ve got like a neat little control app right here and I can go bright, come on Tara.

[00:09:45] I can go less bright. I can change my color temperature. The funniest thing is the Breo is automatically color correcting. I know it’s doing a really good job is a really good job. So if I, if I disabled all of the, the focus in color correcting and brightness adapting, it would make more sense. But, um, yeah, no, I’m excited to find a play with.

[00:10:09] It’s always nice. Those are still sold out. Oh, the Bria is, are finally back in stock. We’ve got the, maybe I’ll ask one. It’s a great camera. Vibrios. Uh, yeah, I, I love it. I use one both here and in my actual office, if it’s for work, I’m making my boss pay for it is what I’m trying to say.

[00:10:31] So, you know, it’s nice to be sent home with equipment and get to play with it for a day job and, um, have a chance to try and work so nice. So your shirt reminded me, um, the make noise, not war, that’s mad at our electronics. Did you see he has he made this like delay whistle thing he posted on Instagram?

[00:10:50] Yeah, that guy’s a genius vaguer. I’ve been saying this about a couple brands, like bookworm effects and Matt rivers are in low sounds or three of the big ones where my, these people are literal geniuses. Why are, why? Like, why was the trim store should not a bigger pedal? I don’t know. No idea. All I know is I’m way overdue and ordering an air trash.

[00:11:14] Oh, yes. I want one for my bass rig so bad and they sound cool, dude. I want to demo one, uh, reading. I think I was reading through like his, like his like history of how it came to be in. Oh yeah. How I was like, this sounds awful. I can’t stop playing stop playing it. Totally. Remind me, remind me to talk to him because I think we can get you one.

[00:11:42] Not for free probably, but I want to spend money. They’re not expensive. There’s so under if I’m honest, it’s under-priced all of his pedals are under-priced. Now that I think about it, I completely agree. Um, somebody tell not his it’s only 129 bucks yet, dude, I literally have no excuse at this point for not having bought one.

[00:12:05] Oh, there’s a matte pink one. Okay. I was just going to send an email, be like, Hey, any chance, no rush. But at some point you’d have an orange enclosure for that. I mean, I think that’s very doable. You know what I’ll I’ll see. Yeah. Let’s let’s talk cause I, yeah, I have his email address. We can talk to him.

[00:12:29] Yeah. I just, underneath my bass rig, as I’ve been kind of moving into the space and of course like the on-camera part of this room is the most put together. Uh, but the rest of it’s starting to come together, got a little bit more shelving hang, um, and get stuff out. But I, I did honors my bass rig finally, throughout the process, this move I’m like, yes, it makes noise.

[00:12:49] And sometimes things, certain things seem to just take for ever to unpack. I think that. Uh, I think we’ve basically like figured it out last summer when we were going through everything we own to like get rid of a bunch of stuff. Uh, I finally found them, like, I’ve been looking for this for three years and then other things like I’ve been looking for this since we moved to Seattle in 2015, I thought it was good.

[00:13:13] Yeah. I mean, for us it’s, uh, for, I think for Melissa, it was more of a, we kind of have it split into two phases and the first immediate like needs to get done phases. This place needs to be livable. So we need to be able to make food. We need to be able to like, so stuff has to find with the kiddo. Yeah, there’s got it.

[00:13:32] So the kitchen’s gotta be put together. There’s gotta be space to sit in the living room. Uh, you have to have beds to sleep on in the appropriate rooms and places to put our clothing, that sort of stuff. Um, so that was like our, like our immediate goal and that our stretch goal to sound corporate. Uh, is to have everything actually unpacked sound corporate or sound like a Kickstarter campaign, hashtag growth hacking.

[00:13:56] Whew. I don’t know. I don’t know how many people we, who listened to the podcasts are like active on Instagram or Tik TOK. But, um, I had, uh, my data electro, uh, spring king delivered and I’m just sitting, I’m working on some stuff and, um, my cat’s in the window and she usually just is like hangs out there and then just kind of waltzes away when she’s done, just both hit and I’m like, what the hell happened?

[00:14:30] So I, I like peek out the curd and I’m like, well, there’s nobody out there. And I didn’t hear the gate, which is normally like normally, cause it’s kind of a loud gate and, um, Allowed gate for a reverb. Uh, and I see a package kind of like in the middle of my patio. Sometimes people sometimes miss the front door, they go into the patio and typically they’ll either put something like by the window on the table, or kind of like stash it behind the grill.

[00:14:59] And this was just like in the middle of the grassy area of grass. And, uh, imagine mowing a lawn if you actually had real grass right there. Well, Rick just has this little, we just have this little push mower thing is a piece of, you know, those things suck. Uh, it needs to get the blade sharpened, which means we’re never going to.

[00:15:20] Yep. Yeah. So I got out there, I grabbed the package. I’m like, I didn’t hear that gate. And also it was really weird. It’s kind of like up on its side, I’m like, that’s weird. So I’m like watching and, uh, sure enough, like right when the cat bolted. FedEx guy walks around the corner from the main street, sees my fence.

[00:15:40] He goes, and I just imagined going. Sure. So my, my spring reverb, just like, could you tell us it was an underhand Hoss? Was it like a, like a daily thing like that? It was like that Damien Lord fade away. Like half court shot when the game and by winning the game, I mean, getting fired. Okay. So let me just, let me just say this so that everyone it’s on record.

[00:16:10] I don’t want this person fired. I, I did call FedEx. I like returned their call after I tweeted about it. I’m like, listen, I don’t think you should be firing people. Right? Like, I just want him to not do this again. Like I just want him to like, learn. I don’t care. Like, it’s just like, you don’t treat people, stuff like that.

[00:16:29] You don’t treat people, stuff like that. Um, I think it was the Dan electro sprinkling. It had been my surfy bear compact. I might’ve felt differently about.

[00:16:40] Yeah, no, I think to a certain degree, that’s where you take a step back, like, come on guys. Why did this guy feel like he absolutely had to? Was it because he was lazy and took an ex like fell asleep in the car and an unplanned break? Or is it because you guys are giving him way too much to deliver on an unreasonable time schedule the latter?

[00:17:03] I think the odds like, listen, my husband worked for FedEx in Seattle, so my husband was literally that guy for a while. And he, it was, it was, it was miserable. They, they like the expectations they put upon him were, um, untenable. And, uh, it caused him so much stress and frankly took him a long time to get over.

[00:17:24] Like he, it was a long time before he could drive without feeling really anxious again. Um, and the person who had his route, my husband’s route before my husband took it over, literally broke his back on the route. So. Yeah, my husband, I mean, he was making a lot of overtime, but at what cost. Oh yeah.

[00:17:44] There’s a certain point. It’s no longer worth it. Yeah. It’s like people like me, like I can like, I’ll work 65 hours a week. And that’s just how I feel like I’m a whole human being, which is probably its own thing I should discuss with my therapist. But, uh, Rick doesn’t have whatever, whatever is, is making me not able to like sit down and read a fucking book.

[00:18:12] You know, but, uh, yeah. So do you have anything new with you? My friend, nothing terribly new I’m waiting. Um, or rather I know. Yeah, the sofa’s new getting this place moved in. I think this is the first podcast. That episode we’ve done where there’s actually been stuff moved in here. It’s like, I’ve got a nice rug underneath me now.

[00:18:33] There’s stuff on the walls. It sounds a lot better. Less echo chamber. Yeah. Yeah. There’s I think there’s still a little bit more work to be done in here to, I think there’s a little bit of room noise. I think it sounds pretty natural. Well, without sounding silly, I think it sounds funny. Yeah. Before it was like, I was recording in a bathtub.

[00:18:53] It was a little distracting, but it was fine. I think that was throwing me off during a couple of those episodes. I’m like, this sounds bad. It did. Yeah. Yeah. It was like I, cause I loop in my own voice back into my ear, so it doesn’t sound as weird. And I did that too. So just like a little bit of a mix in, and it was distracting even to me, like it halfway through a sentence, like, oh, that sounds really bad.

[00:19:17] Wait, I was saying something, oh no, no, no panic. Panic. Yeah. So if anybody felt weird about the last couple of episodes, like I think that was it. Cause this is, feels, feels a lot better. I mean, thankfully we had some awesome guests on, it was great to have a working-class musician working class music, Jason TIAA.

[00:19:39] Yep. You know, I told, I told them they should have their own podcasts because they were just so good to talk to each other. Oh yeah, totally. They’re they’re great talkers. It was an absolute pleasure to chat with them. Them on any time sincerely. Legitimately. I like the episode is ending. Like, could I call out sick today?

[00:19:58] But I had to get work. I was like, this is too much fun. I know. So if you didn’t, if y’all missed that episode, check it out, please go subscribe to their YouTube channel. They did their, uh, they did a demo of the, uh, Ventura Telecaster, uh, in a different color than mine. And the whole thing starts off. Like it’s a job interview and it’s just like so good, man.

[00:20:25] Right. Um, can I show you my what’s new? Yeah, it does the old blood noise endeavor expression. Ramper. I’ve been dying to talk about that so much, but I knew that you had it and it was going to wait for you to bring it up. It’s so cool. Yes. It can turn any pedal into a chase bliss pedal, as far as I’m concerned.

[00:20:47] Like that’s my favorite thing about chase bliss. Pedals is like, you can do the re the bouncing and the ramping. I mean, that’s definitely one of the things that makes it unique. Yeah. And this has a, so you can do square or, um, uh, sign, wave ramping. You just go to a select on the pedal where the, the AI will be on the expression.

[00:21:05] And then you flip over to be the, to where a B. And then you flip down to rate and set your rate. Boom, it’s off also a soft switch, but I am so stoked. I need to, I learned a couple OBD pedals to, um, my band mates. So I need to pick those up. To use in the demo, but I’m also going to demo it with, um, the dusk by doctor scientist.

[00:21:28] For sure. I might, I might hook it up to the radio because it does not have expression. It doesn’t have expression. That’d be funny. I could do the mids, make it an Ottawa. Yeah, that could be cool. And also even just the volume to just give it a, um, a tremolo effect on like a, uh, on a fender kind of setting.

[00:21:53] That’s a great idea. Yeah. I think that could sound great just as a really natural.

[00:22:00] Yeah. I’m not sure it could also sound really bad, but you know, I think it would sound bad cause I do that on trace bliss pedals a lot. Um, turn them into tremolos only. It’s only 60 bucks. Another thing I have no excuse for not having purchased yet. All right. I feel shamed by the second one. I miss you.

[00:22:19] I’m literally not kidding. I writing and I’m buying a second one. No, I, I, um, no, I think the one that I wanted to, I would love to try that on is a night sky. Yes. Especially with the envelope thing feature. Imagine ramping the envelope feature on that, which is just so unique for reverb to begin with. That could be so rare.

[00:22:45] Yeah, totally. They also sent me the split Nile, which is a little 20 to $29. I was talking to Emily harpist, uh, Italy, the harpist, Emily Hopkins is her name, sorry, Emily, Emily harvest. And she said she bought one of these and he uses it at, instead of a traditional TRS to Ts splitter, the white cable. This is the same price.

[00:23:08] I’m like, that was really, really smart because with some pedals, like the poly digit, um, they have TRS stereo outs. So she was like, oh, I need to find a way to. Actually make that stereo. So she got, um, got this and used it as just the TRS Ts splitter. Totally. Yeah. That makes sense. Good. Especially since a lot of the, like the pre-made cables for a TRS split or just like the, I believe with like that cream and like halfway orange, red,

[00:23:41] and then like the, like they’re either the right angles or they’re really bulky. I’m like, this is a lot more flexible than this, which is shocking. And also this was more expensive, right? Exactly. Yeah. This, yeah, this, yeah. At first I was like, I don’t understand it. And then I talked to Emily and she was explained it to me more and she was like, I’m like, oh yeah.

[00:24:05] Oh, Wilson. Wow. Wow. Wow. I better get off of this website before I buy more pedals. Okay. Um, that’s the danger, isn’t it? Yes. Let me just pull up one more thing. Um, so, uh, do you wanna just like spank our sponsors? I would love to thank our sponsors. Our sponsor this week is rude tech, rude tech.com. Uh, I haven’t released this demo yet.

[00:24:37] I’ll probably release it. Uh, actually I’ve either released it on Monday, which is unlikely or Wednesday, which is tomorrow, which is more likely it’s the three month 14 distortion and FAS it’s three, three Russian muffs in one box with a litany of extra features where 20 a litany. I moved it. I moved in when my niece came over, so it’s not super handy at the moment, but I.

[00:25:06] I am shocked by like the feature set of this and it looks so cool. It looks like a Russian MIG jet fighter.

[00:25:17] Uh, I would call it blue. It’s like a green, blue, I call it blue, but, uh, it has, uh, the black green and civil war muffs. And then there’s a, this tone of toggle that gives it a more open kind of Southern California sound. And then there’s an optional overdrive that you can put after the Muff to help boost the meds a little bit.

[00:25:41] It’s like all of the gain stages at once. Yes. It’s and I I’m, I’m not even joking like this things. So I was, I was, I was floored. I’m like, ah, another Muff buzz. Wondering if like that much stacked into itself could achieve like that, that Weezer classic wall of sound situation. I totally think so. I’m just going to ping it to you.

[00:26:07] Um, it’s, uh, available, there’s only as we’re recording the only two in stock. So you might want to go to the website and join the email list. Yes. And it’s click happy as I am right out. Might be one,

[00:26:23] uh, built-in mids overdrive. Yes. Internal trim pots to tweak the midst of ice. Oh, and then, um, I forgot this one. I didn’t mess with in the demo because I’m not going to socketed up amps and transistors, which means you can get your own and you can replace the op-amp transistors. So cool. Then I could put it album three oh eight in a big muffin.

[00:26:46] It would just be like,

[00:26:51] dude, it’s really, really cool. Um, Um, I don’t know why I’m just so like, overwhelmed with how cool this is. I sent him an email like this is, this is where the best is. I’ve ever played. Note to future self take pictures of the trim pots before I started adjusting. Cause I like, oh, I remember it was about three o’clock and they’ll like twist it, you know, farther.

[00:27:13] Wait a minute. Was it three? Was it two? Wait, was it three o’clock one of the pedal was upside down or right side up. I don’t even remember anymore. Mm absolutely. I did that. I did that once when I was working at guitar center showing off the, the trim pots on the inside of a way, huge, swollen pickle.

[00:27:32] There’s two trim pots on the inside. Completely forgot where it was while I was showing the customer could not get it back to normal. And I had to sell them at different one. And I honestly don’t know what happened to that particular B stock. I felt so bad. I was so scared of like, oh, I broke it. Yeah.

[00:27:56] Okay. But the trend bats were there to be played with is on that particular unit. So I felt like it was the end of the world. So yes. Uh, once again, thank you, Jesse. From Rood tech for sponsoring, I’ve also been putting together his ane afraid fuzz when I have like 15 minutes here and there. Uh, and I’m really excited about that.

[00:28:16] Uh, so great. Cause so check out both of those products. Um, but the three mile 14 distortion phys really nice. I think fuzz loaders will be happy with that one. Um, I want to thank the people who support this show. Our patrons. I would also like to thank our patrons. They were wonderful people. We have a new patron.

[00:28:40] I have to go to the page. I would like to thank our newest patron. Um, where is my all right. I thought I had this pulled up. Oh, we have Brett van horn at the dollar level. Thank you, Brett. Do you know Brett? I know of Brett. Yeah. Yeah. And those are the people that I think are cool that I’d like to get to know better and they’re going to be in the discord server now.

[00:29:08] So yeah, you can send them a link to join the discord server. If you, if you know him a little bit better, sometimes they kind of go and then Jordan Beall at the $1 level. Thank you. Both. You help support the show. If you would like to support this show, this channel, this podcast, uh, patrion.com/get offset as little as $1 a month.

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[00:29:58] And, uh, if you do not see your country listed in shipping, I’ve been trying to fix that. However, you can fill out the contact form, just let me know what you want, what the size is, and I’ll get back to you with a price and I will just go send it to you direct. I have no idea why, but for some reason it’s not updating on the shipping countries, that, to which we ship, but we do ship pretty much anywhere, which is cool.

[00:30:23] Yeah. That’s the point of Printful is that they’re supposed to have, um, distribution centers and like. On like every continent. Yeah. So it’s not like they’re shipping, like from some random place in Mexico to like worldwide, like they’ve no, like we had someone buy in Australia and I was like, oh, this shit is gonna like really decimate this person.

[00:30:39] Who’s like $7. And I’m like, oh, cause it shipping from Australia because they actually make, is there like a week or something like that, like something entirely reasonable. We also now have women’s sizes. So if you were one of the people who specifically asked for women’s sizes, I made them, I just never think about them because I don’t buy women’s sizes because I forget, and I don’t buy women’s sizes because they are not flattering to my curves.

[00:31:05] They’re flattering to racks. Let me tell ya. Uh, no, it’s yeah, it’s always frustrating when a website doesn’t work, but there is a silver lining here. I’ve been, I also creep on the contact form since I also have access to her email and there’s like a low, low key. There’s a really, there’s just like the.

[00:31:24] Internal dialogue in my head is like, oh, that’s super cool to see that it’s going to be going to this international location. One of the places I wanted to visit and will hopefully visit in the future. But to like, it’s like, it was super neat to see our reach go global and have that, even though it’s a reminder because of the website not working, right.

[00:31:40] It’s still like a good reminder in the middle of all of that, that our fan base and support base is so wide, which is really neat. Cool. Yeah. It’s really a beautiful thing. They get everyone who supports us. And can I just say one more thing before we get into the topic? Yeah. I got a, I got a really interesting comment yesterday, and this is one of those, like they had me in the first half, not gonna lie comments.

[00:32:05] I don’t have any alcohol nearby to brace myself. I’m going to read it in the voice in which I read it as I was reading it. Uh, listen, young lady, listen, young lady. That’s a strong snap. I should say. That’s not a strong start. I almost thought for reading at that point, you are a born instructor. These morals on here, try to show how to use this pedal.

[00:32:25] She called her videos. Watch me. You’re very talented and smart. Thank you for this video. And I love that energy and it just like it made my day. I was riding high on that all day yesterday. That’s got some, like, that’s got some like really positive whole coach, Paul Cogan vibes. I want people to give me affirmations in that, with that energy, not like, oh honey, you’re so sweet.

[00:32:50] You’re so smart. And how to just like, listen, listen to me, you are kind, you are smart, you are important. Like that guy was like, I don’t want somebody to get in my face and give me affirmations. That is significantly more aggressive than the affirmations I wish to receive. However, Hey, to each their own.

[00:33:12] Yeah. All right. Uh, you want to get into the topic? Let’s get into the topic. I guess I didn’t realize we were talking about houseplants today. I was a little confused about that because I’ve got my Pazos, but my POS is on my desk at work in the office, not here. And this desk, that would be your work. Your work plan would be your industry plant.

[00:33:38] It wouldn’t be my industry plants. It’s, it’s a, it’s a queen and pathos that I’ve named Willy. Oh, just tell me it’s after Willie Nelson, it is because I’m going to roll it up and smoke it when it dies. I’m not actually, cause that would be, that would be, um, poisonous. That’d be, that’s not what Pazos was intended for.

[00:33:58] Uh, but every time I someone’s things like, oh, what are you growing over here? So if it’s smoke for later and I’m like, ah, yeah, funny.

[00:34:09] I heard that joke three times the first day, right again, before I named it. So Willy seemed like a good name. You were being serious when you said you didn’t even have to really know if it’d be okay. Yeah. Yeah. After I was teased about it several times, the first day I brought it into the office, I’m proud of me for getting for guessing that, and that was also just a great plant name.

[00:34:28] I think so.

[00:34:32] All right. Um, so we talked several weeks ago, if not months ago, about the idea of authenticity, like the fetish fetishization of authenticity of music. And that was kind of, um, a response to some comments about, uh, certain musicians being industry plants. And we did, but we didn’t actually talk about one industry plant is so much, I don’t think.

[00:34:57] Um, and just how okay. And just opinions on what it is, but it’s been kind of at the forefront of Twitter and Tik TOK lately, because there was this band that got big on Tik TOK called tramp stamps. And, uh, and I think a lot of people just thought they were this queer punk band grassroots kind of thing.

[00:35:18] Um, and then more information came out about this band. Uh, some of it more concerning than others, some of it just like downright hilarious, uh, And, uh, I want to talk about it a little bit because while I think there are some valid criticisms of this band, um, I think that the idea of industry plant is still like, not like just a weird thing to say, because, uh, Joey from  at joy quits on Twitter tweeted and this, this made me laugh so hard when I was drinking my coffee last week, uh, industry plant implies the existence of music stars who have not had enormous sums of money pumped into their careers by major labels and tech companies to ensure their success.

[00:36:06] And he’s right. Like he is right. But let’s talk about, uh, tramp stamps first. Have you heard of this band? I have not until you mentioned it as a podcast episode and I write up a little bit and I still confused. Yes, it’s confusing. It’s confusing. But basically they are this little spunky gen Z ESC. I don’t even know if they’re gen Z.

[00:36:31] I think they might be a little bit, I think they might be like young millennials, um, to be fair. A lot of performers meant for younger audiences. I are often a decade older than the target audience. Like simple plan. Sure. They were like 30 singing about getting grounded. It was amazing. Um, but, um, so they are these three women in Nashville.

[00:36:55] They all have different colored hair. They have this very punk queer aesthetic and, uh, just. Or a little cringy, I suppose. Uh, there’s some cringy aspects about them, but what people, what made people say that they were industry plants? Wasn’t a cringy stuff. Not really that they have a song called that where the hook is.

[00:37:15] I’d rather die than sleep with another straight white guy and married to a straight, the drummer is married to a straight white guy. Like, I don’t know. No, I think I did hear that song. I might’ve heard that on KEXP actually that’s possible. That’s possible because I remember hearing that hook in my car was just nobody funny things, someone, I don’t know what someone said, but they imply that they’re not all white because the singer is quote, literally Italian, which cracked me up too.

[00:37:47] Like that, like that kind of stuff is cringy. They seem to have their own sock, puppet stand accounts that they use interact. And then they forget they’re logged in and they’ll say like, We’re authentic or whatever, but they’re still logged into the other account. Like just things that make it seem like that might not be true, but it’s like, all of that is hilarious.

[00:38:04] Can I just, I just have to say that’s funny, but that’s not why people are calling them industry plans. People are calling them industry plans because they’re all signed to separate publishing deals and, uh, they work with, uh, I forget if it’s their label or their publisher, I think is the company that Dr.

[00:38:23] Luke owns. If you don’t know Dr. Lou, he’s the one who, uh, held Cash’s career hostage and was her abuser for a number of years, allegedly, that was never proven in court, but that’s what she says. And I’m inclined to believe her. Um, so that is why people are calling them industry plans, because it really does seem like there were these three songwriters in Nashville who got together, decided to have a shtick and really went for it.

[00:38:53] And I think it’s hard to argue. That is authentic. It makes even if it is even if this is something that they all love, this is who they’ve always been. It makes it hard to make that argument. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, I kind of, I see where you’re coming from. It just seems like a, it seems like an arranged marriage.

[00:39:14] Yes. Maybe the parents really do know what’s best, but it might take a while for that to be legitimately bonded. Yeah. It, and there, there are plenty of bands in the course of human history that have been just straight up assembled. I mean, Jack Jack White has assembled bands. The black bells was basically a band that he assembled.

[00:39:36] Um, one direction was assembled, um, assembled. Yeah. So like pop bands, especially pop bands, have a long history of being put together by other people. There is some, there are some instances of that happening with rock the runaways. Were, you know, Joan Jett, Lita Ford, uh, like that’s where they started, if you don’t know, but they were assembled by Joan and then someone else who I don’t really want to talk about, cause he’s a dirt bag.

[00:40:06] Um, this is not a new phenomenon. And that’s why I really liked Joey’s tweet because industry plan implies the existence of music stars who have not had enormous sums of money pumped into their careers and stuff. And the truth of the matter is you cannot become a music star without financial backing.

[00:40:31] Either you are like born rich, like, um, I don’t think we can. I don’t think you can make the argument that Taylor swift and Billy Eilish are not extremely talented. They are so talented and we also can acknowledge. That they had a bit of a jumpstart in their careers, simply because they had a lot of money pumped into them.

[00:40:54] No one would hear it. No one would know who Taylor swift is if she didn’t get signed. And it seems unlikely that someone with that talent, that caliber of that caliber would not eventually have someone be like, let me give you money. You know? Totally. Even my band is like, not yet, not fully DIY because even though yes, our band paid out of our pockets to record our record, we have a financial backing with donuts sounds.

[00:41:21] He’s he, he has more resources than we’ve ever had to print vinyl, uh, to get our publicists lined up all these kinds of things. So yeah, you have to have financial backing. Uh, it’s just it’s it’s basic business. I mean, I think to a degree that people would be upset that that exists is. Based on this romanticization romanticized romance.

[00:41:53] Romanticization romantization in my head, it sounded like an English word. And then I said it, and then it, it didn’t sound like no, it is because it’s romanticized, it’s romanticize. Um, it’s a romanticized view of what the arts are like, uh, in, especially in a capitalistic world, which right. Wrong or indifferent is the world that we’re in right now.

[00:42:17] And so with anything, weather, weather, I mean, it’s just another business. So if we kind of bring it back and say, okay, well, this is a business startup. And, you know, you’ve got venture capital in backing and whatnot the same. And now you’ve got a brand that looks like it’s been built on grassroots, but the reality is a lot of brands that you’re looking at have venture capital behind them.

[00:42:36] That’s why you’re seeing the ads on your TV. That’s why you’re hearing about on the radio. That’s why you’re seeing on the shelves. Marketing is expensive. Marketing is expensive. Distribution is expensive. I mean, there’s just no way around that. Yeah. And the people that up costs, you have these fixed costs, do you have to pay for, and then if you want to scale, like if then even if stuff takes off, suddenly you need someone to help you because then it just because you sell a bunch of things or pre-sell a bunch of things doesn’t mean that you immediately have the resources to grow.

[00:43:10] Yep. And that’s just something, that’s a problem. A lot of businesses have like, you need to get an amount of money, so you can like work ahead of stuff. And sh, and to an extent e-commerce is level the playing field a little bit. And this is, this is something that like, if you watch a couple of episodes of shark tank will inevitably come up, Hey, where’d you like to distribute to retail?

[00:43:29] Or do you like to say e-commerce is one of the questions, because the sharks like, well, we’ve got the connections to the people who are two distributors who could get you on shelves and target and Walmart, et cetera. That’s not something that’s visibility. Yeah. You’re getting product in front of consumers.

[00:43:47] Yeah. If your hot sauce is on the shelf next to tap patio, people are going to see it a lot more and a lot more consistently and get like, curious about it and maybe try it as opposed to like, just running a bunch of Facebook ads. And that’s why there’s so many Facebook and Instagram ads for products, because that’s actually really, really, really cheap.

[00:44:07] Yeah, you can get, you can get, like I’ve gotten, um, a 5 cent cost per click on campaigns before that’s 5 cents. Somebody clicks, abuser product it’s amazing. Or a dollar, even a dollar that’s so cheap. No, it’s incredible achievement. It had been so

[00:44:29] well. Yeah. So back to music, I mean, you can look at that and I’ve seen ads for bands and whatnot, and it sure it’s efficient and it gives you a chance to scale up to an extent though, there, there there’s a ceiling to where that, that is a limit. And certainly there’s an extent where your knee capping yourself.

[00:44:48] Because if you look at like streaming platforms and how little they pay, like sure, like the access is is great, but then you’re also kneecapping yourself in what your, your revenue potential is. And the reality is, is all of this has to be talked about in the sense of this is a business. At a certain point.

[00:45:05] It can’t just be like, oh, well we believe in X, Y, Z. And this is who we are. And the world will just accept that. And this’ll be one big love lead get together festival. Yeah, no, yeah. That’s it is a business. It’s why it’s called the music business. And it’s a business because the people who are creating this art, they want to make a living doing it.

[00:45:25] And they deserve to, if you’re consuming someone’s art, don’t you want them to be able to do more of it, or don’t you think that at least they deserve to be paid for it, but it takes a lot of money before you get paid. Like, even if you were like, uh, so there are some bands who have done it, like all by themselves.

[00:45:42] Like this is true. This is real. This happens Ani to Franco started her own record label. I don’t know if she started with an investment. I actually haven’t read that in into that, that much, but I wouldn’t be surprised if someone has some faith in her and like at least gave her a jumpstart because. Okay.

[00:45:59] Let’s bring it more money. The civil wars, the civil wars, remember them? Yep. They had a huge album and then, you know, they broke up, the band broke up. They were never in a romantic relationship. Right. Despite the several, the multiple rumors, I think the rumor is more like he liked her and she was married.

[00:46:18] Mm. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, that’s, that’s, that’s the story I’ve heard most consistently and I’m inclined to prefer that one. Um, but they would always talk about how, you know, we hired our own PR team. We brought in our own this and that and that and that. And I’m like, well, how could you afford to do that? Right.

[00:46:43] So there’s obviously some money in there. We’ve already talked about like Taylor swift and Billie Eilish, having a lot of money to start out, um, tons probably more than you would expect of like. In these stars are not super duper mainstream. People started out from wealthy families. There’s nothing wrong with that.

[00:47:01] I came from an upper middle class family and it gave me a lot of benefits instead of having like a ton of jobs all throughout high school, I could focus on school and music is probably why I’m, you know, as decent a guitarist as I am, because I didn’t have to go work at Kroger five nights a week and do my homework.

[00:47:18] You know, that’s th those are, those are the benefits of not having to worry about money, you know? Yeah. I mean, there’s definitely, uh, uh, along with the benefits for that. And there’s, uh, another discourt servers that we were talking about the sin last week, and it was just everyone sharing stories of like the ways that like financial inequity of kind of kneecapped otherwise promising artistic and other careers because of the need to do an unpaid internship that you can’t afford.

[00:47:49] And those sorts of things. I mean, Yeah, same thing with the business world. I mean, music is just part of the business world. And so there’s no, because unpaid internships in the music business, this industry runs largely on unpaid interns. Well, some of it’s parts of it, there are record. There are like, especially in labels where I’m not ones where I’ve worked.

[00:48:13] But, uh, I remember talking with, um, my boss had an internship that was actually a paid internship in the music business pool. And she was talking, I was talking about someone else I was working with at another unpaid internship. And she said, oh yeah, that guy, you said that record label. I think the interns basically just ran that one.

[00:48:30] I don’t really know what he did. And I was like, yeah, I can see it. Because as I, as, as I was interviewing two internships at the same time, I was like, yeah, this guy doesn’t really do a lot on his own Desi. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And even if it’s not like a formal internship internship, I mean, there’s an argument to made to the research center that it’s the same dynamic that if you have to spend money to make money, if you don’t have the money there.

[00:48:55] Yeah. It makes it difficult to go. So the way that the system is naturally built out, lends itself to, to privilege to a degree. And so when you look at industry plants, I think it’s just, they had privilege when they started. Yeah. Congratulations. You, you try to walk over here, like come on. And, and when you look at like what they have, which was publishing deals, which is, as they pointed out very normal, albeit not so normal for DIY queer punk bands, um, maybe an opportunity to make some money.

[00:49:30] Yeah, exactly. Someone at a publishing group looked at them and thought. Oh, there, I think that they could connect with people. I think they could sell records. I think they can write songs that will do well. So that, that, I mean, there is some merit in that, but there’s also, it’s still so very much connection driven.

[00:49:47] Like you, you cannot send unsolicited demos to record labels and publishing companies anymore. You can, they will throw them in the garbage seal for their own safety, because if they open it and then one of their artists happens to have a similar song come out is out of coincidence. Uh, then there’s that argument, um, cause what you need to Sue somebody for infringement on your own music is you need like it to be substantially similar and you need to prove that they had access to your music.

[00:50:23] Like a few years ago, I think it was Viva Lavita by Coldplay. Some other band came out and they’re like, oh. Chris Martin was at one of our shows and he heard the song. And that’s why Viva Levita sounds just like our song. And Chris Martin was able to prove I was not anywhere near you when you say that. I was.

[00:50:40] Yeah. Um, and I think that’s one of the re like, they are very similar, but it sounds like it was a coincidence. And then you have like George Harrison writing my sweet Lord. And then he just had forgotten that he had heard the Ronnette song and then we’ve got like Sam Smith and Tom petty and like, oh, I hadn’t heard that song before.

[00:51:00] I’m like, oh, that was his argument. Uh, no, it was, um, um, won’t back down. Yeah. Still like, if you have, you’ve been to a grocery store in the past 30 years. No shade to Tom petty, but I’m just saying like, Tom petty has permeated grocery stores, which is a level of success I would love to see in my life. No, I, I agree.

[00:51:26] I, when. Insert Tom petty song here, right here at the grocery store. I’m like, all right, I’m feeling spendy today.

[00:51:36] That’s good. Let’s see if there’s any stakes in declarant section. I had Tom petty ruined for me for a number of years because once I was stuck with a company, I wasn’t super duper happy with, with a bunch of people I wasn’t super happy with. And we did a bowling night and, uh, some, some, uh, one of the other parties who was bowling had apparently put like $50 into the jukebox play the same four Tom petty songs over and over for like, it was three hours and it was that, and it was pretty good.

[00:52:10] I was like, Like, I love these songs, but all my God is just, it was just became such a like bombard man. I couldn’t listen to Tom petty for like three years. And that’s why I can’t listen to Christian radio stations. Cause it’s like that. But on repeat, you hear the same song three times in an hour if it’s not popular.

[00:52:32] Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. But yeah, like this industry costs money and I think that, can we just say there’s nothing wrong with like having some extra breaks? There’s nothing to be ashamed of. I don’t think it’s a super valid criticism of somebody as like somebody who is actually successful in good Billy and Taylor.

[00:52:54] Um, the, you can make this argument because we said before you cannot fake. Having a connection with people, you can kind of fake a hit song, but you can’t fake people loving your music. Exactly. And I think that’s what a lot of people, I think some of the implication is that, oh, well, they put your music in, even though it wasn’t necessarily as good as someone else, uh, they, they just doing you a favor, puts you on the map because you knew someone and to a certain extent, no, cause these, these people, it’s not just about like, oh, Hey, like we’re friends, like I’ll hook you up in a certain yeah.

[00:53:32] At a certain level. It’s like, no, we’re talking about millions of dollars of profit difference between you or somewhere else. Someone else I’m not going to just miss out on millions of dollars just because we’re friends. Yeah. I mean, but at the same time, like, okay, so Brad Paisley is a good example of this.

[00:53:49] Brad paisa was a songwriter in Nashville and apparently just such a nice guy that he was given the chance and that is kind of relationship driven. But also he had some proof, like he had some like, yeah, there’s proof behind it. And there’s something to be said for no matter how talented you are, if you’re rude, it’s gonna really impact your career.

[00:54:10] Especially now like the tolerance level for like petulant children is isn’t the gutter. Totally as it should be, as it always should have been. I think the argument of like someone was just like, kind of doing your favorite shirt, like there to a degree maybe, but at the end of the day, I think when it’s all driven by money and profit, the way that this capitalistic business world is built on, then no, they look at this and it’s a, it’s purely, can I make money on this?

[00:54:41] Oh, we can. Yeah. The labels make money before you. You’re the, if you’re the star, you’re literally the last person getting paid. Right. And you’re, and because unlike if I found out that, did you know that in book publishing, you only have to, you get your money after you recoup just the advance, just the advance, only the advance, only the $30,000 or whatever they gave you to live on that year.

[00:55:05] Meanwhile in the music industry, it’s the advance you have to recoup. You have to recoup the marketing fees that you did not approve. You have to recoup your own lunch that they took you on. You have to recoup literally everything, and they will not know they will not give you a ledger unless you really fight for it to get an itemization of everything that you have to recoup.

[00:55:25] It’s, uh, you gotta recoup the vinyl, pressing expenses, a CD, the tapes, everything, the PO, the PR, oh my gosh. And that’s how you can end up like a tribe called quest, have a platinum selling record and make $0. That’s how you can end up like the Dixie chicks and have like one of the best selling country albums of all time and be like, I don’t even have a million dollars in my bank account, even though this record has grossed $200 million.

[00:55:57] And so if you bring it back full circle and look at the tramp stamps industry, plant, whatever, uh, A record label or a publishing label, you know, insert executive here to have a look at the, if the market analysis and say, oh, well this is a gap that our label hasn’t filled. This is a gap that we could fill.

[00:56:17] This is an example of a bands that could fill that gap and make us some money. Why are we not signing them? Or, or why don’t we put something together? And that’s, that’s the difference I think. And that’s what people are really, I think hooked on is where these people just assembled maybe. But did anybody bitch about the black belt when they were just assembled?

[00:56:39] I think, I think the tramp stamps are cringy. Like I think that they have some very questionable decisions, um, that they have made. I don’t, I’m not super chill with them being associated with Dr. Luke. Um, I think that’s kind of a weird choice in a lot of ways and, um, and there’s, there’s layers of irony.

[00:57:00] Yeah. Yeah. But there’s. Joey also tweeted, like this was a back in 2018. Anyone who uses the phrase industry plan as an industry plan.

[00:57:14] Yeah. So that’s just like, people have been talking about a lot. I kind of wanted to hash it out with you. And like, I just, I just don’t see the point of caring. I don’t see the point in caring if somebody is in a district, listen to their music. I mean, to a degree. Sure. I, I think I don’t want to minimize people’s frustration.

[00:57:36] I think, I think there’s some legitimacy. Okay. I’m going to push back here. I think there’s legitimacy to some of the frustration there in the sense that it. It’s normal to feel frustrated when you see inequity in action. When you see this person had a chance to, because of the privileges that they had.

[00:57:53] And I don’t like that other people didn’t have that opportunity. So that’s fine now that where I w where I started to have a problem is where you start to direct that at the people who have the opportunity. And it’s trying to drag them back down and it’s like, oh, well, you shouldn’t have had that. That wasn’t fair.

[00:58:09] Yada, yada, and I don’t think that’s the right way to frame that. I understand how it’s natural to get there, but the right way to frame, that is what you’re about to say. I’m sure it is. Well, yeah. Amplify other voices as part of it, but also why, why is the, why is the question? Hey, why did they get that opportunity?

[00:58:27] And why is the question not, why did I not get that opportunity? Or why did this other person not get that opportunity and want to kind of level the playing field there? Because it, because you can’t afford, like how do you have the energy to create art? When, like, I think anybody who works a nine to five knows that it takes it out of you and even worse if you’re like.

[00:58:48] Bartending or doing or working as a barista and I have to wake up early or something like it makes it really, really hard to then have the energy to really commit yourself to your work. Like most, very successful musicians do. And it takes a lot of people a while to get there. Um, but the, the, the less of a safety net you have, the longer it takes to get there, even if you kick ass, like it’s just, it’s hard, it’s hard.

[00:59:16] And, you know, I think that their solutions are hard. I grants are a great place to start, uh, applying for grants. Usually that’s something that’s mostly available to unsigned artists. So, um, I, Canada does a much better job with this. I think having musicians being able to apply for, for grants so that they can like make an amount of money, just like having an amount of money, create the art that they want to create with it.

[00:59:43] And have a little bit of freedom. Even Seattle has grants a few years ago, Seattle had a grant to live in the Fremont bridge and just write poetry is there’s a, there’s an apartment on the Fremont bridge. So you do housing, you had some inspiration use, write your poetry. That’s all they wanted. Right. Hey, I think that that’s definitely could be part of a part of a solution.

[01:00:07] I think there’s a number of different ways to tackle a bit. I think reframing the conversation is, is appropriate. Yeah. Framing it away from it. To draw a parallel to like student loans where people want to talk about like canceling student loan debt. And it’s like, well, I had to work really hard to XYZ.

[01:00:27] Other people shouldn’t have to do that too. And I’m like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no easier for the next generation. Yeah. Like Y Y it’s like, if I felt pain, other people should feel pain to kind of a revenge. I don’t, I get on a, I don’t know how to describe it, but I do understand that on a primal level. But if we take the chance to step back and say, okay, well, no, no, no, no one else should have to do that as well.

[01:00:57] If we can level it, level the playing field instead of at rock bottom, maybe towards the top as high as we can go collectively. I think that makes sense. I mean, my husband worked his ass off to pay off the student loans early and he still thinks student loan debt should be canceled. Yep. No, he’s like, no one else should have to do what I did.

[01:01:15] Yep. I’m in a similar boat. And I agree, I would also benefit from cancellations, but

[01:01:26] see, like I didn’t have that. And I also think that no one should have that. Yeah, no. Yeah. I I’ve got friends who didn’t went through grad all the way through grad school without any debt. And didn’t have to work a job to put food on the table to get them through school. And it’s just stuff like that. And the amount of opportunity that, that provided is not something I had.

[01:01:51] Yeah. I’m sorry. No one should have like high schoolers. Shouldn’t have to stress about having a job every night after school to like buy a car. Like I didn’t have that stress and I have a lot of opportunities and probably did a lot better in school because I didn’t have that stress. Yeah is what it is.

[01:02:16] And I don’t think I want more people to not have that stress. So I’m trying to get back. Yeah. So, um, anything else you want to, you want to hit up and in this, in this, in this hour? Um, I mean, I wore the shirt also, like, because I like matter verse, but also because you know, violence and other countries, isn’t really great.

[01:02:37] Not a fan. Is that as strong as you want to go on that statement? Um,

[01:02:48] I, I think it’s, it’s not, is that even a straw? I guess it’s Israel should not be bombing Palestine. I find it bad. It’s it’s like, that’s, that’s the understatement of the year. Like I don’t. Yeah, but murdering civilians over cold. All right. Bombing the APS building and Al-Jazeera is building. Yup. That’s that feels borderline.

[01:03:14] Okay. I can’t say that’s, uh, but to the same extent, would I be surprised that the U S was in favor of that? Given their track record? It’s a lot of, um, political, um, tap dancing, a lot of political, tight, tight, tight rope walking. There’s that great scene in Veep that I’ve been saying that was basically putting out the, like the most non statement of non statements about Israel bombing Palestine, like five or six, seven years ago.

[01:03:49] So, yeah. Nope. I thought it was appropriate to wear the shirt today. Make some noise, not some more I’m a fan. I think it will be a better place if we hold it. Yes. Like a hippie I’m sure we’ve just lost some. Subscribers, but I’d also want to say, I think you can be critical of Israel and not be anti-Semitic, but two things are possible and actually more common.

[01:04:17] Very common. So yeah, just like humans would be nice to know. I don’t want anyone to get like, murdered like that. Yeah. Especially children and civilians. Yeah. Oh, that was heavy. Oh boy. Yeah. All right. Well I’m officially depressed now. All right. Well, um, everyone out there. Thanks for watching. Um, thank you for listening, please.

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