Get Offset Episode 136: Pedalboard of the Day

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Andrew: podcast. My name is

[00:00:18] Emily: Andrew. My name is Emily and we’re here today with Andy who you may know, more colloquially as pedal board of the day,

[00:00:28] Andy: not pedal of the day,

[00:00:31] Emily: not puddle of the day pedal board of the day. There are different, there are different accounts,

[00:00:41] Andrew: potential. Brand confusion

[00:00:43] Andy: though. Yeah, definitely. I get that. Sometimes people are like, oh, we thought you were pedal of the day. And I’m like, no, I’m up pedal today. I said that when I talk to people, sometimes I’m like, Hey, it’s Andy, pedalboard a day. And I couldn’t brackets, not pedal of the day,

[00:00:56] Emily: not pedal of the day.

[00:00:58] I actually, I kind of get that because I’m, I’m a copywriter by trade. And I have to, I think my official bio says, uh, she is not, the former NPR is really correspondent or NPR, former foreign correspondent of the same name. And she is also not the domestic terrorist of the same name. Ask your Alexa about Emily Harris.

[00:01:23] Andy: Are you on Twitter and Emily Harris, do people like send you like really hateful messages because they think you’re other Emily Harris?

[00:01:30] Emily: I don’t think, I don’t think people really give a shit about, uh, domestic terrorists, Emily Harris, because like her big thing was that she kidnapped Patty Hearst in the seventies.

[00:01:43] She was part of the Symbionese liberation army, which I don’t think most people don’t realize. And I didn’t realize, uh, Symbionese was not like a group of people who needed to be liberated. It was like something else entirely. It wasn’t like free Tibet. It was just, it was just the cold

[00:02:05] Andrew: cold I’d like to start with someday.

[00:02:07] Emily: No good. It’s called the

[00:02:09] Andrew: personality and plan. I mean, I feel 50, 55 in my retirement funds. Aren’t quite where I needed it to be. It’s the easy way to make sure I can

[00:02:19] retire

[00:02:19] Emily: comfortably. Wow. Well, you know, prison will pay for three meals a day for the rest of your life. Hey, that’s

[00:02:25] Andrew: wrong.

[00:02:26] Emily: That’s if you’re a bad cult leader, which is like, most of them.

[00:02:32] Flavor aid. And also a lot of people died. So that’s like, just think about that when you make that joke, it’s pretty dark it’s because that one,

[00:02:39] Andrew: but it does call out the dangers of institutionalized religion without checks and balances, but,

[00:02:47] Emily: okay. That’s a great start for this podcast about guitar. We’re already talking about Colts.

[00:02:54] You can join the

[00:03:02] silver sky, Andrew, Shirley, you can see yourself clipping. Surely you could see how that’s clipping.

[00:03:08] Andy: Sorry. Next time I’ll

[00:03:09] Andrew: do this.

[00:03:12] Emily: That’s better. Can all the listeners agree? That was better. That was better. That was better. Better. So Andrew was no with you

[00:03:25] Andrew: slate. Just kidding. That’s not absolute. That’s not a thing at all.

[00:03:32] He got me right. As I was about to get a sip of my morning, caffeine boost,

[00:03:37] Emily: I would say mine’s just coffee.

[00:03:39] Andrew: I’m going to make coffee after this. But I had out of bed about 15 minutes before we started. So I’ve been up for half an hour.

[00:03:47] Andy: No, you look, you both look refresh, so you don’t look like it’s not in the morning.

[00:03:51] Andrew: I usually get awake seven

[00:03:52] Emily: in the morning, but I’ve been awake since seven,

[00:03:56] Andrew: man. I, I screwed up my, my, my routine the other day. I stayed up late Thursday night playing games with a buddy. We usually play games on Wednesday night. Um, video games, video games. Yeah. Age of empires, definitive edition or age of empires.

[00:04:12] Two specifically. Um, we usually play Wednesday. I ended up playing Thursday night, but I already had my gym session scheduled for Friday morning. Cause you know, I’m one of those swole bros now and

[00:04:25] Emily: was orange theory, soul bros. Right?

[00:04:28] Andrew: Um, no, I, I don’t have one of those tank tops. That’s like cut all the way down to the waist yet.

[00:04:33] So yeah. It’s like when I get to that point, if I get to that point, please have an intervention. I’d really appreciate it.

[00:04:41] Emily: I’m trying to visualize tank top cut all the way to the,

[00:04:44] Andrew: well, those that are cut all the way down to the waist. So you can like, see,

[00:04:47] Emily: yeah, my buddy, Kyle Cybill. Yeah. I got to say as, um, as the chest and woman, I can’t wear any shirt like that because it just pops out.

[00:04:59] Like it’s just as like L side boob. If

[00:05:02] Andrew: I had that right now, I’d have the same thing, but with my beer get

[00:05:06] Emily: side. Good. Yeah. My head. Yeah. You won’t mind. He was like, no, don’t suffer right now.

[00:05:13] Andrew: I stayed up late Thursday and Reza forgot to take my, I take medicine before you go to sleep at night and it renders me dizzy.

[00:05:21] Not with it for about eight hours after I take it. And so if I stay up late and forget to take it, I take it. I’ll wake up, still feeling the effects, but usually I wake up feeling fine. Like last night I took my dose last night, 11 hours ago. I’m fine now. So I got up, he was still feeling dizzy, decided to go to the gym anyways.

[00:05:40] And yeah, that was a great idea. I left about two thirds of the way through, after realizing I’m going to puke in my mask or I’m going to walk out in shame and I chose the, I chose the ladder.

[00:05:55] Emily: Well, I mean, I think that if you puked in your mask, you would also be walking out in shame. So really it was just like, I can have both.

[00:06:03] Or I can have one

[00:06:06] Andrew: that’s a positive way of looking at it. Yeah.

[00:06:08] Andy: Well, it’s funny. I run every morning and I run to an area it’s just like, it’s like a park and there’s no one around in the morning and I’m always fearful. Like if I got a heart attack while running one day, I’m like, no, one’s going to find me.

[00:06:18] I’ll just be here for like a few hours. And then for some reason that always terrifies me. But

[00:06:24] Emily: is your wife home like waiting?

[00:06:32] Andy: unless

[00:06:32] Andrew: she’s like, it’s like, like the five minutes it takes to die from a heart attack or whatever. She’s like, oh, he just must’ve needed a breather. And then by that time, it’s too late,

[00:06:42] Emily: too late symptoms of the heart attack beforehand. But yeah, sometimes if you push, you do have a cardiac event, that’s kind

[00:06:49] Andy: of unexpected.

[00:06:49] No, one’s going to find me then I’m like, should I go run it?

[00:06:54] Emily: We’re such fucking bummers today. All like, oh my gosh. Hey,

[00:06:59] Andrew: look back to the last year of the collective reckoning of her mortality. Uh, I think, I think we’ll be all right with a little bit of dark

[00:07:06] Emily: humor. I think it was like, we can laugh about it a little bit.

[00:07:09] Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. We can laugh about it anyways.

[00:07:14] Andrew: Uh, that’s more or less. What’s new with me. I’m trying to get back. I’m trying to get into a routine that I have planned out that is going to be good and healthy for me. And that is going to lend me to having more energy and better healthy lifestyle overall, which means I can up the amount of work that I can actually do.

[00:07:32] I’m enabling my workaholism is what I’m doing.

[00:07:35] Emily: Yeah. We are nothing. If not workaholics. Isn’t that right?

[00:07:39] Andrew: Uh, so Emily, what’s new with you?

[00:07:41] Emily: Well, I haven’t opened it yet, but I got a big old box from fender it’s sitting right over there. Um, I think it was the Chrissy. Hi, uh, Chrissy hind telecast. It’s what’s supposed to be.

[00:07:56] I’m think I always, I always film the unboxing for guitars and then I just either forget to use it or just don’t like, I did an unboxing for the, uh, the contemporary Squier Strat, and then I just was like, oh, I forgot. I forgot. I forgot to use app. Oops. And then I actually deleted the EBIT young unboxing.

[00:08:20] I’m like maybe, maybe I just am not great about it, but I also, yeah, unboxings are cool. But for guitars, I think it’s probably more important for me to spend some time with them and like tell you what I think is wrong with them. And then other people can tell me what I’m wrong about. So, Hey,

[00:08:39] Andrew: but a tuner yet, because I’ve re if, if I was going just off the comments section alone, I think you’ve been without a tuner for about a year now.

[00:08:48] Emily: Oh, my God, I actually, my Twitter bio says, should I read my Twitter bio for y’all really quickly? Sure. Let me find

[00:08:56] Andy: mine hard comments about the tuning.

[00:09:02] Emily: It’s probably fair. It’s like I don’t well, okay. Hosted get offset. Yes. I tuned at the guitar before I started filming the demo video.

[00:09:14] Andy: I have a Telecaster, no matter it says it’s in tune. It’s never in tune. I don’t know why I just can’t tune that guitar. It just makes no sense that it drives me absolutely crazy.

[00:09:25] Emily: I did have to intimidate the, her signature Strat and, uh, So, yeah, I, that one, I did do some work on it after, after some comments about it.

[00:09:34] I’m like, yeah, you’re right. That’d be, it doesn’t sound correct, but it’s definitely intonation and not a matter of iTunes. I don’t think it’s done. Not because the intonation really fixed it a lot, but, um, like someone was like the, the Squire Strat they’re like, please tell me you didn’t intinate it, because it, there were some parts where it sounded out as too, and I’m like, no, I didn’t intimidate it.

[00:09:55] I really did not because I want you to know what you’re getting. You have the box I get, because most people I’m sorry, square your guitars. I think most people who buy square guitars, like I would say like a good price, 30%, um, or like gonna put in the work on their own or going to intimidate it. But the other ones just want to like bang around on a guitar.

[00:10:15] Andy: Yeah. Yeah. That’s fair. I, when I got the G mask is square and I posted about it, everyone’s like, cool. What mods are you doing? It’s like, I just got the guitar. Like I want to enjoy it.

[00:10:26] Emily: Yeah.

[00:10:34] I think it was Jim Bryson, um, who we had on and he talked about. His maskus and he’s like, oh yeah. Well, the first thing I did was I changed the, I changed the, uh, the neck. I had got put new neck on it and then, and then I did this and I did that. And then I think, and then like I traced electronics and then he’s like, and then I sent the body off to MJT.

[00:10:57] I’m like, uh, so I think he, like, he kept the bridge in the vibrato system, the Picard and the, well, actually it’s a bridge that a lot of people do, one for their jazz masters versus the stock. Uh, so it’s the pick guard, the bridge vibrato system, the a completely different body finish. And the different neck and I’m like, wow.

[00:11:24] Low

[00:11:24] Andrew: price of 1008. Well,

[00:11:27] Andy: for me, when I got picked me up, everyone’s like, cool, awesome. I have a great like place. You can replace the pick guard. It’s like, I got it because of the pick guard. Why would I replace the pickup?

[00:11:37] Emily: That’s part of those guitars.

[00:11:39] Andrew: You guys can keep your gold anodized pick cards. I can’t do it

[00:11:46] if I’m, if I play fingers. I remember the first time I encountered what I was so confused because I was in high school, never seen one before it was on a base. So I went to go start playing in my, my fingernail inevitably like caught when I was playing up on the, on the G string. And the fingernail sounded like, oh, I can do nail.

[00:12:03] I, I, not kidding. I could do nails on a chalkboard. Doesn’t bother. Nails.

[00:12:12] Emily: It doesn’t feel

[00:12:13] Andy: so

[00:12:13] Emily: bad.

[00:12:14] Andrew: Finger is there, it there’s something deep inside my soul that just immediately

[00:12:20] Andy: died. That happens with cotton, cotton balls, even thinking about squeezing a cotton ball, uh, gives me like

[00:12:29] Andrew: deep, see that I don’t get it with calm. I could see where someone

[00:12:32] Emily: would though. I worked with a woman who literally, like we had to convos and part of our job, it was like airbrush tattoos.

[00:12:39] I know I’ve done a lot of jobs. Uh, and we had to get a diff we had to get like alcohol wipes just for her and to be used when she was working. So like, we, we accommodated her phobia, which I think now looking back at it, I’m like, wow, this company I worked for, they were bad, but they did accommodate a phobia for a teenage girl, which is actually kind of impressive.

[00:13:03] Now that I think about

[00:13:03] Andy: it. I wish some like off the counter medicines would stop putting that counter on there. Cause I opened up, caught the ball, but just like, oh God, I have no choice.

[00:13:12] Andrew: Right? Oh, the worst were the worst experiences of my life in an airplane is I bought one that like some ibuprofen or something.

[00:13:19] I was anticipating having a headache at the airport. It was not alcohol-related why things just because they didn’t say go to open it up on the plane and there’s the cotton ball and go pick it up. And it is the proof and everyone’s like, wait, like smoke. And with all of that air circulating, it just did like a little tornado thing.

[00:13:40] It was horrifying.

[00:13:46] Emily: Oh, oh.

[00:13:50] Andy: I’m not sure what

[00:13:51] Emily: to expect right now. So sorry. I okay. So as we’re recording, it is national bio musical instrument day and reverb. What’s at the top of your list. And I said, and all this kind of Stella signature, jazz master, and the fender Tinder Kelly and someone responded to my tweet and said, I have a butterscotch tenor, tele, I need to sell maybe the next month or two.

[00:14:13] I’ll keep you in mind. If you’re interested in, come wait a bit. I enjoy your podcast and YouTube. I’m like, oh yes, Marty, Marty. If you’re listening, Marty or watching, I’m going to be interested in the next month or two. Oh my gosh. All right. Because I think it was, I think it was like, uh, the, the, uh, working I’ve really fucked up this episode.

[00:14:42] I think it was the working class music episode where I pointed out that somebody was selling three, 10 or Teles on reverb would not separate and was asking like $5,000 for them. I don’t like that person. I hate

[00:14:57] Andy: people who do, sorry. If any, one of your listeners are those type of people. But like, we have like Kijiji in Canada, which is like Craigslist and people are like, I’m selling my pedals.

[00:15:05] I’m not individualize them. It’s either you give me $3,000 or you get none of them. It’s like, I only need one. I only need one of what you’re selling. People do that

[00:15:12] Emily: here for a while on Amazon, there were people who were selling like fully loaded pedal boards with like the Trinity pedals of the day, including like chase bliss stuff.

[00:15:25] And I always thought that was really a niche.

[00:15:29] Andy: You gotta like really find someone who wants all 30 of those pedals. Right? Like, or like, I guess not 30, but like 10 or 12, like say

[00:15:36] Emily: 30 pedals for $3,000. I’d be like, yeah, I’ll do that.

[00:15:42] Andy: Does that,

[00:15:43] Emily: is that a hundred bucks? A puddle? None of them are a buffer

[00:15:49] Andy: drive-through or else someone’s going to be really nice.

[00:15:52] Andrew: Right. Pick your patient 2010.

[00:15:58] Emily: Oh my God. So what’s new with

[00:15:59] Andy: you, Andy. Me, I mean, what can be really new, but we’re kind of still like, uh, where I am. There’s kind of still like a curfew in place and stuff was kind of closed. So what am I doing? I’m just waiting until next week when all this stuff has lifted where I am.

[00:16:14] So hopefully we can get back to some normal life. Got any nice

[00:16:19] Emily: new gear though.

[00:16:20] Andy: A few, a couple of, I can’t show right now, but I’m excited about the ones that are coming out. Uh,

[00:16:27] Emily: this launch is on June 1st, so I don’t know what next week looks like.

[00:16:31] Andy: Dean, can I just pull it off the board? Just give me a second.

[00:16:35] Yeah.

[00:16:37] Emily: As long as it’s, as long as it’s okay to launch it by June 1st.

[00:16:42] Andy: That’s up to the company because sometimes they screw up release dates, but this

[00:16:46] Emily: should be for listeners. I accidentally lied when I told Andy when this episode would be out. I said, June 1st, obviously it came out a full week earlier. So the pedal he showed us, which is going to be released on the 27th could not be divulged in this episode.

[00:17:04] Please check out huddle board of the day as pedal board of the day on the 27th to see this really cool new pedal that may or may not have booted a beloved chase bliss pedal from Andy’s permanent. Pedalboard thanks so much. Let’s get back to the episode. I’m so sorry for being so dumb. Bye. What’s new.

[00:17:29] Andy: There’s a baby on the way in two months. So, Hey, so

[00:17:33] Andrew: that’s why,

[00:17:35] Andy: I guess I let them choose the songs of Nintendo and the guitar has off just the guitar

[00:17:39] Emily: is definitely, yeah. I would choose the guitars. I would choose the guitars. And then when the kid gets old enough, Nintendo probably will have some fun stuff.

[00:17:50] Yeah. Well, my husband took out his, uh, his game boy advance or whatever, and it still works. He’s like, oh,

[00:17:58] Andrew: it works childhood game, boy colors. Uh, last month I’m like, wait,

[00:18:04] Andy: I still, all right. I still, the game boy color.

[00:18:08] Emily: I still have one in a shoe box

[00:18:09] Andy: somewhere. It’s a rally.

[00:18:10] Andrew: I’m scared to look at what they’re, what they’re going for on eBay right now, because really rack it up.

[00:18:16] If we’re not going to plan. I wonder if we could, uh,

[00:18:19] Emily: I don’t know. Um, that’s a game.

[00:18:23] Andy: I feel like they’re not worth much. Like it’s like Pokemon cards everywhere. Like they’re not worth anything because everyone collected them and everyone, the Pokemon

[00:18:29] Emily: card, I’m sorry. Pokemon cards are actually worth a lot.

[00:18:31] Now a game boy color is like 55, 55 bucks.

[00:18:38] Andrew: Yeah. Going through the trouble if that’s,

[00:18:43] Emily: and there’s a lot of, um, yeah, there’s a lot of, um, there’s a lot of them speak 3000 results for game boy color.

[00:18:51] Andy: Speaking of listings, did you end up, has anyone ever get way too lazy to put a description in a reverb listing or a Craigslist listing?

[00:18:58] It’s just like, yeah.

[00:18:59] Emily: Sometimes I just, sometimes I just leaked to a product page or a link to my demo. I’m like, this is me playing this pedal.

[00:19:08] Andrew: I’ve been sold on river ribbon in quite some time. Uh, but what I did, I, I, in the back of my head, it was always the, oh, I’m a funny guy. Why number one? Why? Number two, if I write a funny caption, I will be able to sell it for more than the lowest price that’s currently there.

[00:19:28] Emily: I don’t know if that’s true.

[00:19:30] Andrew: And, uh, did it work? No.

[00:19:37] Yeah. I’d like to think I made someone chuckle at some point somewhere, but I think I realized that’s when I shouldn’t quit my day job for standup comedy

[00:19:47] and tap comedy. But

[00:19:53] Emily: you, you can’t hear it. But I actually had the, um, a little drum machine on my, uh, Kai and PK mini pro. Nobody can hear it please.

[00:20:04] Andy: Did you just get that or no?

[00:20:06] Emily: I just reset it up. I changed computers, never put the software. On this computer. So yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Uh, let’s just, uh, go ahead and, uh, do some housekeeping, big, big, thank you to our Patrion supporters.

[00:20:23] If you want to support the podcast, we are on patriotic patrion.com/get offset for those $5 a month. You can get special access to our group discord server, which is quite a lot of fun. Um, what else can I say about that? Uh, we have a new Patriot supporter. Let me find their name, Jason, pour it at the $5 a month.

[00:20:52] Uh, he is now in the discord. Welcome to this chord. Jason and Brett are the two newest, uh, $5 members. And then Jordan Beall at our $1 level. I might’ve mentioned him last week. Thank you. Thank you. That’s a good deal. It’s a good deal. Cheaper

[00:21:13] Andy: than the pedal movie, which apparently was very expensive according to the gear page.

[00:21:18] So, oh

[00:21:19] Emily: my gosh, you and I both were like dicking around on that, on that page. And it was, uh, I was like, I can’t respond to some of these people

[00:21:29] Andrew: how I applaud your willingness to even look, I can’t bring myself to look.

[00:21:34] Andy: If there is bait, take it. I’m incapable of not taking the bait sometimes. And they’re just like, you got to stop.

[00:21:40] Just let it go. Let it go.

[00:21:43] Emily: Some people did not like. Things, uh, that were said, and I liked playing a game where I tried to guess is somebody mad at me? Are they mad at Fabi? Are they mad at Sarah? Or are they mad at one of the other women’s or

[00:21:56] Andy: all of them at once?

[00:21:58] Emily: All of them at once

[00:22:00] Andrew: women as a collective is probably the, the answer there.

[00:22:04] Emily: One of, let me book, pedal movie iTunes reviews

[00:22:11] Andy: are pretty amazing. I feel like it was one comment. The way of someone saying like, oh, there’s women in this movie, I’m not watching it. Like it was

[00:22:18] felt

[00:22:18] Emily: that way. It definitely felt that way to me too. That’s good news.

[00:22:25] Andrew: Speaking of reviews, please rate, comment, subscribe, set, or whatever you’re supposed to do in iTunes.

[00:22:31] I don’t know. We’d appreciate it. Write a review.

[00:22:35] Emily: It’s apple podcasts and yes, please do write a review, but only if it’s a good one. But, um,

[00:22:43] Andrew: I’m trying to find, we have five stars, but then eviscerate me and I had actually read that. Yeah.

[00:22:51] Emily: Oh, it does it, does

[00:22:52] Andrew: they respond on that platform, but I would read it and I’d probably cry a little bit, then come complain about it and the podcast and then get over it.

[00:22:58] So,

[00:23:00] Emily: oh yeah. Here’s one, uh, the title, it’s a four-star review for the pedal movie. Uh, the title is, uh, white men are evil and it said, it said enjoy the dog, but why do you have to shoe horn in the woke white men are evil thing? Well, nobody fucking says that. All he said was that it’s an industry has primarily been dominated by white men until recently what?

[00:23:30] There was one. Oh, it looks like one God. It looks like one might’ve gotten

[00:23:34] Andy: removed. I think we’ve spoken about this, like on my account, like I have 146 K followers and it’s 97% men like that is, um,

[00:23:47] Emily: well, you know, that’s crazy that

[00:23:50] Andy: your YouTube, Instagram, and then the YouTube

[00:23:53] Emily: is so that’s pretty bad. My, my Instagram

[00:23:55] Andy: is a lot better.

[00:23:55] Yeah. And then the YouTube is a hundred percent, which is nuts.

[00:23:59] Emily: Oh, that’s a lie. I said this before. It is a, well, basically a Google guesses is your gender based on your interests. So it’s pretty skewed. Um, I would, I could go into Google and you can actually see what Google thinks about you. I forget exactly.

[00:24:17] I’ve done it a couple times. It thinks I’m a dude. I know it thinks Megan L is dude. Uh, we’ve both done. It is my understanding. I think I’m sorry if Megan, if you have it, uh, let me see. Here’s another four-star review called good time. Um, it feels like the criteria for the interview section was must have a lot of YouTube subscriptions.

[00:24:39] So I dulled apply, uh, and be approved by woke folks. It was especially weird to hear the anti white male bitterness from one guest near the end, which is too bad because to just thoroughly casually throw in a resentful judgment about society without a deeper investigation against the vast majority of the aficionados and customer base was a bit of an eye roll sort of leaves the viewer feeling like he is he, he puts sort of S or T.

[00:25:08] R T apostrophe VE so sort have, instead of sort of, I’ve actually never seen that sort of leaves the viewer. I’ve never in my life seen that. And I am now wondering if this is the correct way to say that

[00:25:23] Andrew: communication skills on display here are

[00:25:26] Emily: none. We’ve now left the guitar pedal realm to discuss a political viewpoint of our customers.

[00:25:32] And the fact that near the end of the film leaves, the worst part of the movie is the final taste in the viewer’s mouth. Okay. Believing what makes up to 95% of your customer base, which I think most pedal builders, no, that’s not quite true anymore for what you perceive to be anti-woman memoriae society well, living in society, society.

[00:25:49] Ah, but you participate in society. Very smart, which also happens. Yes. Gaddam

[00:25:57] Andy: this means Emily you’re you’re ruining the pedal industry. You’re just.

[00:26:00] Emily: I am. I am the largest opportunity for both women were having, uh, let’s see society, which happens society. It’s just fucking amazing society as a whole. And this person says, happens to provide the largest opportunity for both women and minorities on the entire planet.

[00:26:16] Society provides opportunity. What does that mean? What does that mean all while living in the most luxurious and safest time in human history, all white people complaining about hunting fair. It is actually that wasn’t true. It wasn’t just white people complaining about how about it? Yes. Okay. That was really weird.

[00:26:38] So much, really, truly a lot to unpack there. I just,

[00:26:45] Andy: I just didn’t get the jump like from like, this is a two-hour peddle movie talking about pedals and there’s like a five minute bit about how people feel about the industry. And then that just sets people off and they just get so angry about. You know something that’s, I wouldn’t say it’s not innocuous, but like, like it is innocuous in the sense that like, there’s just people expressing how they feel about the industry and then the way it is.

[00:27:09] And it’s like, then offense other people who are just like, well, how dare you feel that way? Now you’re offending how I feel about the pedal industry, which I don’t think is the case. Right. And it’s just, this is so strange. And then you,

[00:27:24] Emily: I don’t get the whole, like white men are evil thing. I’ve never said that I’m married to a white man.

[00:27:32] Oh, wait. Is that bad logic?

[00:27:34] Andy: Also, the movie was like 90% white men. So was what kind of messages this will be sending now?

[00:27:44] Emily: Yes.

[00:27:47] Andrew: Uh, that was actually something that, uh, well, I watched, uh, most of it was Melissa and she was like, wow, it’s a. A lot of white dudes and like, kind of going through all of your years, I’m like I’m sitting here, like, okay, well, yes, but also some of the artists that they’re quoting, uh, or speaking to are not just in the category of white men.

[00:28:08] And so I’m wondering if the engineering aspect of it that was necessary was a skillset that was only attainable under certain circumstances, such as being able to serve in a particular British military world, or have enough enough money to go to school, et cetera, have all of

[00:28:27] Emily: these things valid. And though there have always been women in music.

[00:28:34] There’s also the case of a lot of those women were more relegated to like assembly line stuff. So there’s, it’s always involved women like Joe Bragg, whenever patron supporters found a tone bender, um, uh, a 1.5 tone bender from the. Set sixties or seventies. And Josh Scott said it was probably assembled by a woman in Italy because that’s who they, there was also always this idea that because women had naturally, generally smaller hands than men, um, we are often more talented at things that are tactical that involve like fine motor skills.

[00:29:13] So that’s things like assembling pedal boards, things like winding pickups. That’s why some of the most sought after guitar pickups in the world are wound by women, um, including, uh, fender, very famously. Um, and, um, MJ at Seymour Duncan are just, two are just two examples of that. But, uh, is there have always been women in music?

[00:29:32] It’s just, we haven’t always been the people who were like the figureheads of the company and that’s, that’s, I think that’s an important distinction to make. And that’s why I think it was so important that they would, were able to talk to like Fran. So,

[00:29:47] Andy: so basically any good brand, you get a ton of hateful messages after this positive test, right?

[00:29:52] Oh yes.

[00:29:53] Emily: Oh yes. We don’t get too many. I haven’t even looked at our iTunes reviews in a while. Have you, Andrew? I have it

[00:30:01] Andrew: now. Um, and so it allowed after I just told people that I would read their hate flight reviews,

[00:30:08] Emily: but I’m the one who reads them and like, should I protect Andrew from, from seeing what somebody said about him?

[00:30:16] Andrew: No, I’m thinking through, like, we get, like, I don’t think we get a lot of hateful messages. I think we get the occasional, like it’s usually someone who’s like, oh, like you’re pretty good for a girl. Do you want lessons? Or here’s something that you could have done better? Yeah,

[00:30:34] Emily: I’ve actually, I’ve gotten that one a couple of times

[00:30:37] Andrew: gone to like the, the, are you sure you want to read this message been in Instagram that.

[00:30:43] I usually don’t spend a lot of time reading the messages on the Instagram since that’s mostly Emily’s domain, but I do cruise through sometimes. And if I notice that there’s been a message that hasn’t touched it like three or four days, like, oh, I know

[00:31:01] and then I’ll delete it. If I’ve got the same name in that bin for like three or four days. Yeah.

[00:31:08] Emily: You’re like, oh man, Emily did not want to deal with this. I just know what’s funny is I just delete the porn ones right away. Then I just leave the ones that I find like annoying, like the Instagram, but models and stuff.

[00:31:21] Like I just delete those, but the other ones there. I’m gonna be honest, Andrew, I think that you and I both get equal number of like negative comments on the podcast element. Obviously you don’t, you’re not in the demos, but every once in a while, someone will say like, uh, gosh, someone old man’s that who I really, I really enjoy it.

[00:31:46] And he meant this like, as constructively as possible. He said that, uh, like when we were really tired, cause we’ve been doing like four, we did like four episodes in two weeks, which was just kind of a lot. Uh he’s like, I feel like I’m watching, like one of the shows on the last tour a band has before they quit, I was like, I was pretty grumpy that day.

[00:32:07] He’s like, it wasn’t, you

[00:32:12] he’s like you weren’t, you were kinder than I would have been. I’m like, I don’t know. That was pretty fucking grumpy that day.

[00:32:19] Andrew: No. Yeah. No, w we, I needed that break really bad, especially trying to cram all those episode recordings in a short period of time. And then also what I had going on personally, I was getting like five, six hours of sleep at night, going, going, going tweets on end.

[00:32:36] Emily: Yeah.

[00:32:38] Andrew: A lot better now. So like, when I say like, what’s new with me and I say like, sleep and I like kind of joke. I’m also kind of serious. Like I’m in a much better place right now than I was even three, four weeks ago.

[00:32:50] Emily: Yeah. Sam, I had, I thought break was great. Um, can we talk about our response there though?

[00:32:55] Yeah.

[00:32:56] Andrew: Sorry. I don’t mean to be rude.

[00:33:00] Emily: Ooh. That was a really great segue because our sponsor this week is rude tech based out of Nashville, Tennessee. Their newest pedal is the three month 14. It is three Russian big muffs in the same box, the black, green, and civil war with the traditional sustain tone and volume control.

[00:33:19] What’s an extra fun things. What I especially love is this tone bypass toggle gives it a much more open. So Cal sound and you also have the Midge drive, which we placed after the FAS circuit. It’s optional. And, uh, I think it really mellows things out a lot. And I think it’s just really, truly a stellar pedal.

[00:33:41] Like I am so impressed, um, by this, this fuzz, this is definitely like, if you think you don’t like big mops, like give this guy a try, because if you don’t like this, Then you probably just don’t like fuzz at all.

[00:33:54] Andy: I definitely the first thing I would do plugging in pedals, turning that red knob all the way up.

[00:33:58] That’s definitely what I would do.

[00:34:02] Andrew: Turn all the

[00:34:03] Emily: way up

[00:34:05] Andrew: to

[00:34:05] Andy: infinity. Honestly, any dry pedal or with pedals that tone up, I turned the tone up. I 100%. That’s the first thing I do when I turn up.

[00:34:14] Emily: Oh my God. I think I watched a demo and I’m not going to name names, but I think somebody did that on a demo of a pedal that otherwise I think sounds really good.

[00:34:22] And then their demos. I’m like, I don’t know what’s wrong. Another thing from Jessie from roadtec does is, um, it’s this confusing because this is a, a pedal called the aids afraid. It’s a one knob fuzz. I actually bought this one. Um, as a kid, they sell, he, uh, Jesse sells it as a kit. Um, eight afraid was a Jesse Zazu from, uh, the band.

[00:34:44] Those darlin’s, she had, she had cancer and she had a very public battle with it. And, uh, she, she had famously made and some shirts. I said, ain’t afraid on them, uh, as a, not as an afraid of cancer and afraid of Diane. And, uh, so he made this in honor of her, uh, goes to a great cause. So I, over the course of a couple live soldering sessions.

[00:35:08] And if you think that you don’t like soldering, wait until you do it in front of internet strangers. Uh, and then you go to plug it in at the end of the video and you realize you fucked up the input, Jack, and it didn’t work. Uh, so, but I got it working. I fixed that one thing, easy peasy and, uh, it’s really nice on a little fuzz box.

[00:35:31] So I think they’re like $80. Uh, so if, uh, if you can’t quite make the investment on the three month 14, this is really good. Jesse, did it put together a great video, uh, showing the assembly, which I thought was very helpful and yeah, really, really neat. Really recommend it. Check out Ru tech, uh, let me get the actual URL.

[00:35:56] I’m so prepared. Reed tech.com.

[00:36:02] Andrew: That’s all I was just said,

[00:36:05] Emily: dude. Oh, there’s $75 to get $75. That’s pretty good. Yeah. And it was the first time I put together a pedal from a kit where the PCB board had like a little foot, the switch board. So I didn’t have to like, take all the little like ins and do that because they already had a little circuit board just for the switch.

[00:36:29] And I really, yeah. I really appreciated that clean very, very much easier than what I’ve ever had to do before. Like, you know, all those, the parts, the resistors that you, uh, you snipped, you got to keep them because you’re gonna have to stop. And I’m like part, I don’t want

[00:36:47] Andy: to do that. Actually, when the pandemic started, I got way more people asking me like, Hey, have you ever done any kid stuff with kid pedals?

[00:36:53] I think a lot of people didn’t have much to do in a hobby.

[00:36:59] Emily: Yes. People love they hobbies. God bless. Um, cool. So I think. That’s a good for the sponsor spot.

[00:37:13] Jesse agrees. So yeah. Now let’s, let’s, let’s talk to Andy because Andy, you’re usually anonymous. I don’t think a lot of people have seen your face. This is, I think it’s a great face.

[00:37:25] Andy: This face. I’m a very shy person. Very, very shy. Actually. No, that’s not true. I’m very like online shy in person. I’m not shy.

[00:37:32] I don’t know what it is. As soon as the camera goes up and I get to hear my own voice and just like, oh God.

[00:37:37] Emily: Yeah, no, I, I had to get past that. When I started putting myself in demos,

[00:37:41] Andy: I’ll never get past it. Like I get so stiff even the way I speak. Like I’m very animated in person. And then as soon as I like, even if I don’t, if you don’t like, if I do a live stream on Instagram, I’ll still sound like I’m,

[00:37:55] Emily: it’s awkward. It’s definitely something that you have to get used to. And I think a lot of people don’t understand how hard it is to talk into a camera.

[00:38:04] Andrew: I was just going to say it’s difficult and it’s not the sort of thing that you can like, just take like a checklist or like, okay. Do these things. And you’re all good to go.

[00:38:10] It’s like, no, this is, uh, it takes practice. Yeah. I, yeah, I, I still don’t like listening to myself either and even doing the show for two and a half, almost three years.

[00:38:23] Emily: Yeah. I think that since I’m the one that edits and I do the watch parties and I did the listening threads, I just got past that a lot faster.

[00:38:31] I also, you know, I did like an EAP in college. I had to kind of like, you have to, it’s hard and it sucks, but you really have to listen to your voice and know how it works. Um, and what strengths and weaknesses are. Uh, otherwise you’re just never, like, you’re never going to advance. But then again, there are some very famous actors who don’t like watching their own performance.

[00:38:55] It’s like Adam driver just, he will leave the room, which I’m like, how do you get good?

[00:39:00] Andrew: You left an NPR interview when they tried to play it. One of his scenes forums so they could talk about it. Well,

[00:39:05] Emily: and he, because he had told them to be fair to him, he said, he told them, it’s like, it’s a phobia basically is what he says.

[00:39:13] So I thought it was pretty shitty to not do that. But yes,

[00:39:16] Andy: the driver phobia then, right. I can’t do it. I just can’t. Uh, that’s definitely, but I did it for you. I mean, it’s not so bad to be honest. Uh,

[00:39:27] Emily: Hey, you’re doing it right now. And I think you’re doing a

[00:39:28] Andy: really great job. Yeah. I’m not going to plug, I did a different podcast last year.

[00:39:33] I won’t plug another competitor, but I did the guitar knobs podcast. So then I think that was like an easy like icebreaker. So this is, that was just voice. Now this is voice and video. Maybe, maybe next it’ll, but to be honest, It’s just so much work. I don’t know how you do it. Like, I feel like it’s just an extra layer of work to start showing yourself and then filming yourself and editing.

[00:39:53] So I try to keep it small because maybe you share it. I feel like musicians are also semi lazy sometimes.

[00:39:58] Emily: Uh, do like one of the reasons I started, like with the podcast, I didn’t have myself in the demos at all. I’m like, cause I can just do it in pajamas without makeup, without like making sure I look good.

[00:40:12] And uh, I, you know, honestly I had to start putting myself in the demos because I’m not doing like the amazing like compositional stuff like that, Megan LA and it’s like how ski are doing and like, yeah, they, they can get away with it. I’d love to see their beautiful faces more though.

[00:40:30] Andy: I think like my art, like my photography or like cinematography skills are so much so limited.

[00:40:35] So I just kind of try to keep it as simple as possible. Um, because I just don’t know what the hell I’m doing, to be honest.

[00:40:41] Emily: Yeah, no, I, uh, I, yeah, you have to learn so much to start doing this, to just start doing demos. Like you have to be not only a musician, you have to be technical enough to understand the pedal, which is its own thing.

[00:40:56] Then you have to be technical enough to understand how to work cameras and then you have to learn like, uh, an editing software and they’re all a little bit different. And then you have to like, watch other demos, notice what they’re doing and yeah. Oh, yeah. There’s stream noise in my demos. How do I get rid of that?

[00:41:13] Andy: No, but I think we’ve had this conversation a few times and it’s just kind of like, um, you know, I got a lot, people ask me, like, how do I start? How do I start? I’m like, it’s, it’s a lot of time and it’s a lot of learning and you know, like it’s little stuff. I remember I used to just, when I started, I would put text, but I would leave the text up for like a second and a half.

[00:41:28] And it’s like, you don’t, it’s like all these like weird mistakes and the funding, like how long, how many seconds should the text blocks they up? And it’s like all these good ones. So there’s all these little things, but it is a lot of work. Like you said. I mean, I don’t even do anything intricate and it takes me a few dozen hours to get something in between learning the pedal, writing for the pedal, making mistakes.

[00:41:48] Refilming because I, I think like it often happens where I don’t read the manual sometimes, and then I realized there’s nothing, but I’ve been turning it all video because I don’t have this switch on. So yeah,

[00:42:02] Emily: to be fair, we were talking about three before we started recording Andy and I were talking about like a three nah, Like a overdrives and I was talking about how, like the litigator, I had not realized that I’m like, it’s a three non martial blues breaker type of like, it’s a, it’s a blues breaker.

[00:42:19] Like I CA I got this, I got this. And then I go to turn one of the knobs. I’m just kind of like, Hmm, this makes a noise. When you turn it, it’s really power through the demo. And then at the end, I just like ruined my whole fucking take. I was like, uh, yeah, I can’t release this. And then I just like, stopped filming.

[00:42:36] And then I reached out to Dan and he’s like, from spun loud, he’s like, it’s supposed to do that. I’m like, yeah, maybe I, maybe I, and then I find the manual. Cause it was in the box. It was just like a card. I, I guess I probably wasn’t even sure what it, if it was a manual, cause sometimes I don’t even get one.

[00:42:50] And I was like, oh, it does say so right there.

[00:42:54] Andy: Well, a lot of other stuff that happens that you don’t realize and it’s sometimes it’s a pain, it’s a pain in the ass is like in the room. Cause I’ll play with my amp and let’s say I’ll have like a reverb and I’ll have them. Fairly high because in the room you don’t hear the kind of effect as much, but then when you listen to the recording after it’s like, whoa, this is like overwhelming.

[00:43:10] I got to rerecord that, make sure I don’t like, keep the mix knob too high. And the demos, like it’s little stuff like that, but it takes time. It’s not just a matter of like, I’m just going to pull up my camera and start filming type of thing. Another

[00:43:21] Emily: thing I do is I I’ll sometimes plug my ears directly into the Iridium, uh, cause I can get a louder signal to my ears and I can from my focus.

[00:43:30] Right. And uh, the, the radium headphone out, Jack also has a lot like a high, uh, uh, ground noise. Uh, it has that loud noise inter do you know what I’m talking about? Yeah. And then I’m like, is this in the video? I think there was, I think it was a Squier Strat one I did. And I was like, oh, you can really hear like how much noisier it is and these in these positions, because it’s not traditional, like.

[00:43:56] One through five, uh, switch it’s it’s a little bit different. Like the one positions, like a humbucker and then the three positions, a humbucker, and then the two is the middle. It’s like, it doesn’t make a lot of, it’s not normal. And I could hear it really well in my ears. I go back to the video. I’m like, it’s not that noisy.

[00:44:16] Yeah. You’re like, oh, well, okay. Well, I was complaining about the noise and you can barely hear it. So normally it’s the other way around someone else is complaining about the noise. And I’m like, I think it’s fine.

[00:44:25] Andy: Yeah. It’s just, it’s, it’s a lot of work. I get a lot of those. Like how long does it take and stuff like that?

[00:44:29] Even like the startup, I think we’ve said like we used, everyone starts like with their own pedals type of thing. And it takes a while

[00:44:34] Emily: to build that out once and know how to get, like, how do you get the free puddles? Like, but they’re

[00:44:39] Andy: not going to spend a lot of money, but they’re not free. I mean, it’s a lot of work that goes into it.

[00:44:44] Right. Uh, I mean, I mean, it’s free if like, I don’t know, I get a pet auto. It’s not free. I mean, it’s, there’s, there’s, there’s labor involved on the other side. I mean, between editing and I think like 60 cycle hum, let’s talking about it. Like how many hours he puts into like a single video edit and it’s it’s

[00:45:00] Emily: it is, it is.

[00:45:02] Cause you have to, like you said, learn the pedal, right? You write for the pedal. A lot of people do. Um, I tend to just pick things that are more consistent, uh, and uh, filming and editing it’s 10 hours. And then when you’re doing it for like, uh, if you’re just doing it for a straight trade for $230 pedal, you can, you can do the math of like what the minimum wage of your labor is there pretty easily.

[00:45:29] And then you add a fee on top of that. It makes it a little bit better, but uh, yeah, no, definitely.

[00:45:36] Andrew: Yeah, it’s a business. And I think some of the inclination when people are like, oh, I want, I want to get free pedals. So what they’re seeing is just the content that’s been posted, right. You’re seeing is this person sends their whole week dicking around with pedals and just having a great time, what they don’t see as the that’s 10% of their week.

[00:45:54] The other 90% of the week is in front of a Mack sipping on coffee, clicking and going. Uh, does this thumbnail look good? No,

[00:46:02] Emily: for him, let me find my thumbnail. Let me make sure the ducking levels are correct. Let me manually adjust it so that like I’m not cutting off my own sentence or like, oh, I started talking while before, like before the, the, the ratio for the gate kicked in for the, um, for the ducking, like, oh, I gotta go back and fix

[00:46:22] Andy: that now.

[00:46:23] No, for sure. And a lot of like, I’m not sure. Well, for a lot of, for a lot of people, it’s like, we’re doing this on top of maybe like day jobs as well. So it’s kind of like, you know, you work all day, you get home, you have only so many hours of free time in year. You know, filling it up with this type of stuff.

[00:46:37] Like, I know it’s become such a case. Like I don’t even play through my pedal board anymore. I’m not sure if you’ve experienced the same thing. It’s like, I’m only just like writing. I only like essentially play music for demos recently, which

[00:46:50] Emily: yeah. And that’s a bummer. I’m like trying to record something like just for me, uh, for the first time in a long time.

[00:46:59] And, um, I might film that whole process, but it’s, it’s just not what I’ve been able to do. I was talking and we have this big group chat with a bunch of other demo artists. I’m like, I can’t tell you the last time I read a book. It was obviously Kathy Valentine’s book. Now I think about it because I read it for the podcast and it was a great book.

[00:47:19] Everyone should read Cathy Valentine’s book. Also. Congratulations, Kathy, for the Go-Go’s finally getting into the rock and roll hall of fame, spite one former rolling stone editors. Best efforts to keep them out.

[00:47:34] Andy: No, but definitely. And I find like, uh, I’m not sure if you’ve experienced this also, but I feel like for the longest time now I’m like writing very short pieces just for, you know, the setup of my demos.

[00:47:46] And then I try to go back and like, okay, I’m going to write for me. And it’s like, I’m almost, I forgotten how to write like lengthier pieces, how to, you know, make a song structure. Cause like your brain is not, it’s not in that mindset. It’s just like into like five to 10, second loops or 22nd loops. And it’s like, and writing regularly is a struggle after, you know, and

[00:48:07] Emily: yeah, I’ve had some success pulling those snippets, like things I would write for a, when she shows one riff a day before I started doing demos was a huge boon in like making me play and write more.

[00:48:18] Um, so I’ve pulled, I was able to pull a lot from that into actual songs I was working on. Um, but like even my, my AP that I have, um, Um, self objectification with no remorse, but you can get on, uh, iTunes and streaming. Um, it’s, it’s, it’s all short songs it’s but I, you know, at the same time, I think that’s fine.

[00:48:40] I also grew up listening to guided by voices. So, uh, I don’t really give a shit about lungs. I was playing guitar with one woman and I don’t think she, this woman had a single song that was under five minutes long. And I was like, these are long. These are really long songs, girl. Like, I don’t think they need to be this long.

[00:49:01] I don’t think. And they were all like ballads. It’s a lot. It’s a lot of the same things. Well,

[00:49:08] Andy: like I grew up listening to it’s weird. Cause I listened to a lot of metal younger and it’s like, for me, it’s like a song it’s like six to seven minutes, you know? So I feel like if I can, it sounds about right.

[00:49:21] You know, so if I can make, I can make a song that’s three minutes long. I feel like I’m failing deeply, you know? But it doesn’t really

[00:49:27] Emily: matter. I think I used to think that a song had to be four minutes long and I’m like, no, a song can be a 75 seconds long.

[00:49:37] Andy: I actually, you know, some of those songs are really probably cut.

[00:49:39] There’s like a Tyco song. That’s like, I think it’s like a minute and 35 seconds or maybe just under Tim, like, can this be a longer song? And I just like loop it, but there’s something like that leaves you one thing, but that’s like, what’s great about the

[00:49:50] Emily: song that’s that’s. Yeah, but you want people to want more, right?

[00:49:55] Yeah. Like if I opened a title and went to be thousand by a guided by voices. It would be like a bunch of short songs that are just bangers, like a game of prints. Oh, that’s a great song. Kicker of ELLs is a great song. Either real song titles answers like I’m bored. Yeah. They have one song that, uh, is over three minutes song on this record and the rest ones only 32 seconds.

[00:50:23] Once demons are real it’s 48 seconds

[00:50:28] Andy: or real awful.

[00:50:30] Emily: Yes. Voices y’all

[00:50:35] Andy: no, I don’t know. I don’t know if anyone’s experienced this, but like, I feel like the, for whatever reason, the easier access to music, like streaming services has made it harder for me to find something new. Uh, you know, the idea like it’s so accessible, but I just lean on everything I already know.

[00:50:52] Like,

[00:50:53] Emily: yeah, no, that is a thing it’s, it’s just really, um, I don’t know if you feel this way too, Andrew, like how do you find your stuff to listen to?

[00:51:10] Andrew: I mean, the, the answer that I probably don’t want to share a Spotify, but, well, that’s

[00:51:15] Emily: fine that, I mean, that algorithm is important.

[00:51:18] Andrew: I usually what I do is I I’ll go through and listen to stuff from my childhood. It’s like categories of music that I’ve always found inspiring and SteelBrick, um, it would be like a little bit of country.

[00:51:31] Um, but that’s, that’s always a really hard sell for anything contemporary for me. So when I, I think like Garth Brooks, Clint, black, like that, that’s all kind of what I grew up on. Uh, so I’m not sure I’m going to be able to get something else there, but, uh, pop punk metal, uh, alternative rock, kind of those three categories are where I tend to lean into.

[00:51:54] And so what I’ll do is I’ll go look for a playlist and start looking for, if I’m trying to seek out something new, I’ll look for a band that I don’t recognize. Those playlist go hit the rabbit hole and decide if I like them or not.

[00:52:04] Emily: Yeah. The title title app has a really good algorithmic playlist and it will, it’ll call them separate mixes.

[00:52:13] So it’s like it’s taking what I already listened to. Instead of giving me one big playlist that has a little bit of country, a little bit rock and roll, a little bit of punk pop punk and stuff, it’ll make like different ones. So it’s like, oh, you listen to a lot. Yeah. Marin Morris last week. Here’s some other in Kacey, Musgraves used to do a bunch of countries.

[00:52:32] So here’s a country playlist. You listen to all ways. So here’s like a bunch of like camera Obscura and similar, similar bands to always. And I really like, I really liked that, but I still like seek out a lot of stuff based on what my friends are talking about. Even on Twitter, there’s this great record that came out by a woman named Katie Kirby.

[00:52:52] And I’m just obsessed with that record now. And I think I just saw her tweet, like someone retweeted her tweeting about how, uh, she works so hard on the record and it finally came out and uh, I’m like, yeah, I guess I’m gonna listen to that because she seems really proud of it. And it’s great. I love that record.

[00:53:11] Andy: I’m a little bit embarrassed to say how I find new music. I know if it’s embarrassing, but you know that guy, Anthony Fantano. Do you ever watch his YouTube stuff? That the ball dude who’s like, so he’s always reviewing. He’s a bit too intense. Sometimes I find them kind of, I won’t say, yeah, it’s a, I forget what it’s even called.

[00:53:30] I just know it’s like, it just like it’s on my subscription. So it comes up. I don’t even know what his YouTube account, this call, but it’s just Anthony Fantano and he reviews everything in anything. And, uh, I just check out, essentially. I just check out anything that like has an 8.0 and above, because I feel like if he’s not liking it, then it’s like, why am I going to like it,

[00:53:50] Emily: the needle drop, this is channel.

[00:53:54] Ooh. I can already tell, like, he’s intense. Like I got up like five seconds of that trailer and he’s like,

[00:54:01] wow, that’s a lot of review. My band

[00:54:09] was my piston, they crush. So, uh, yeah. So, um, I know we want to talk a little bit about, uh, the Instagram account. I would call it a curator. A curated collection of pedal boards. How did that start?

[00:54:25] Andy: I’ve to be honest, I don’t remember quite, I just remember just being like, I liked pedal boards. I was like looking at a lot of like in the hashtags.

[00:54:32] I’m like, oh, cool. You don’t be cool. If I just thought if I would share people’s boards, we can just start having a conversation about boards in general. And then it kind of, I didn’t expect it to be anything more than like just a few people. And then it just exploded very quickly. Um, and I’m not even sure why, like, it’s just, I don’t know, from my perspective, it’s like, everyone’s like asking me stuff and from my perspective, it’s just like, I’m just reposting pictures.

[00:54:56] Right. And

[00:54:57] Emily: yeah, but people love it. It makes people stay to like have their paddle board feature. It’s so nice.

[00:55:03] Andy: No, and I kind of feel bad because it’s, it’s way bigger than I can manage myself. So I get like a hundred messages a day and I just can’t go through all of them. And it’s, there’s only 365 days in a year.

[00:55:14] Right. So, yeah. Only, I can only pick so many and answer so many. I just feel bad cause I know what makes people’s days. And I just, I just, some people just will never hear from me and I just feel, I feel bad about it.

[00:55:27] Emily: Yeah. You gotta, you gotta like, uh, um, take the reins on your own time because that’s our most valuable asset, uh, as humans is, uh, is, is our time that we have, cause it’s, it’s, it’s one of the few like complete limited resources and uh, yeah, you can’t, if you spent your whole day responding to people, which I’m sure that you could, it would be too much.

[00:55:58] And like you can’t just like. And then you can’t just feature everybody because then people will follow because it’ll be too much spam. It’s very fine

[00:56:08] Andy: line. It defeats the purpose of the day. It’s one a day, occasionally just one occasionally too, by the way, I love that Andrew’s like hair hair thing before,

[00:56:23] Emily: while he’s, uh, having trouble with is I

[00:56:26] Andrew: AM’s. Yeah. So after we came back, it, uh, it was like way quite the output from Zencaster is way quieter. And so there was a couple of points, like I think I understood what was just said, but it was just quite enough for me not to get it. And so I. Adjust a couple of settings, and now you literally have the output volume from my PC max out to a hundred percent everywhere.

[00:56:48] I can find it. And you guys still sound a little quiet, so I don’t, yeah.

[00:56:52] Emily: I can see my waves and know that I came back quieter. Also. It’s pretty frustrating, but

[00:56:58] Andrew: it’s like the input or the overall output volume, but let me back off the microphone here. So I’ll just, there’s like, is it my extent, like did my, I am extension cable decided it was gonna disconnect slightly or yeah.

[00:57:12] Yeah. Apologies for that.

[00:57:16] Emily: We were just talking about, he’s talking about

[00:57:19] Andy: no, but

[00:57:20] Emily: aggregators and Instagram refuses to verify you.

[00:57:24] Andy: Yeah. That’s they, they, they actually, cause I request a verification, which I don’t, I don’t know. I’m not like super concerned about my privacy generally, but like they ask you to like send a picture of your like driver’s license and like.

[00:57:40] You know, passport and I’m like, okay, for me, it’s kind of worth it to give this info, like a photo. If I can get that blue check mark, and then I didn’t get it in the messages like, oh, we don’t, we don’t, we don’t verify aggregator accounts. I was like, but I had to give you my freaking driver’s license to get refused.

[00:57:56] I hate this.

[00:57:57] Emily: You have all my information. What the hell?

[00:58:00] Andy: And my photo, you know, I don’t like to show my face. No,

[00:58:04] Emily: my face all I have it’s private.

[00:58:08] Andrew: Well, you’re probably fine. As long as you don’t also answer those questions on Facebook, but they’re like, oh, like your mother’s maiden name, plus like your childhood pet and the street you grew up on is your stripper name

[00:58:19] Emily: and your first car, the make and model of your first car, where did your parents meet?

[00:58:25] Like, stop it, stop giving your personal

[00:58:27] Andrew: information. Just like wrap it up in a package of like, oh, like this is like a fun game. Like let’s find out what your step her name is or let’s find out, like, what do you survive? The zombie apocalypse.

[00:58:36] Andy: Your blood type plus your, your color of your eyes will tell you what superhero you are.

[00:58:41] What’s your suit.

[00:58:45] Definitely. Like, you know what I find it’s like such a stupid problem to have, but I find like with this, it’s like, people want me to be an expert on everything. Like, they’ll ask me like very technical and I just don’t know. And then it’s like, if I tell them, I don’t know, like, am I ruining the whole like, feeder

[00:59:00] Emily: of like, yeah, but I don’t know to me.

[00:59:04] And there’ll be like, how does this compare to this other specific guitar? I’m like, I have never played that guitar. How does this compare to like EMG act to pick us? Like, I don’t know,

[00:59:14] Andrew: uh, less compressed is the answer. Always.

[00:59:20] Andy: When people ask me, like, what about like this specific German? I heard this Tuttle is this specific Germanian transistor.

[00:59:25] Can you tell me if other makes it it’s like, I don’t know, man. I think there’s no way to know. Yeah.

[00:59:31] Emily: I can’t know everything about everything that comes in and I very much appreciate that. People think I’m an expert, but sometimes you’ll be like, how do, how do I get this very specific sound from this band?

[00:59:43] Like I get people ask me, like, how can I sound like Steve or tabs and hold steady. I’m like, no, they’re pretty accessible. Just ask them.

[01:00:00] I like Todd posted a picture. It looks like he just has like three boosts on his board and a bunch of delays, like their pictures of their boards. Maybe start with some box apps. I don’t know. I’ll try to sound like Steve and tad. I love what they do, but they sound like that.

[01:00:20] Andy: That’s really good. I think that maybe people start asking me that, but like, yo just, just ask them faster.

[01:00:25] Like the guitarist of that bet has like a thousand followers. He’ll he’ll see your message. Yeah.

[01:00:31] Emily: It’s like, if you’re asking me about like Dave had a sound like Dave girl, I’m like, well, you cannot ask Dave Grohl, but also there are resources like equip board where you can see what they’ve role is playing through.

[01:00:41] Like, I

[01:00:42] Andrew: feel like their window, like between like the amount of followers and musician has like to indicate whether or not they would actually respond to you. And then the window into like the window between that. And the, if you’re a board equipment is on equip board is like really small. If you’re asking about someone who’s like really awkward little in-between space.

[01:01:02] Sorry.

[01:01:03] Emily: Yeah, it’s hard. Sorry. Sorry.

[01:01:06] Andrew: They’ll be in the they’ll they’ll either have made it or they will have fallen off and you’ll have an answer.

[01:01:12] Emily: Yeah. Sometimes he will be like, how can I sound like prince I’m like it, can’t sorry, boss pedals and lots of practice. And also maybe be a genius. That’s how you sound like

[01:01:23] Andrew: Boodles of raw sexual energy.

[01:01:26] Emily: Yes. So much. And

[01:01:28] Andrew: I just, I can’t offer that. So I will never sound like rinse

[01:01:32] Andy: that last part. The last part is the deal breaker. Right. You can get the added all the

[01:01:35] Andrew: rest of it. Oh, they have it. Yeah.

[01:01:41] Emily: I got the, I got the boss pedals, you know, but I don’t have that. You shouldn’t have say qua.

[01:01:47] Andrew: Yeah. It’s like the, the, the carpet on the chest and the abs and yeah, I just, sorry.

[01:01:52] Emily: Carpet had some trust tear, but I wouldn’t call it a carpet.

[01:01:58] Andy: What I find the most interesting about the pages like. The most stuff I get is people asking me to justify why they made and they bought a cheap pedal and it’s like, Hey, if you like that, like, it’s fine. Like, everyone’s like, has this deep shame, like, Hey, I bought this like joy.

[01:02:13] Is that a good, like, would you recommend that? And it’s always like, do you like it? I love it. It’s like, well, that’s really what matters. Like,

[01:02:19] Andrew: yeah. Right. I mean, we’ve all contributed to child labor at some point in our consumer careers. Anyway, so

[01:02:27] Andy: yeah,

[01:02:29] Emily: Andrew too, to the lawyers that joy, Andrew said it, not me.

[01:02:36] Andrew: Oh, sorry. Did you say joy? I thought you said something else that I’m not going to name.

[01:02:40] Emily: No, we’re not going to name that we know. We know we’ve talked about before.

[01:02:48] Andy: But I know, I thought I did it. I’m not an expert, but I kind of used the page to like downplay some myths. And I think I spoke about a little bit like analog.

[01:02:55] Drive-through like, like someone asked me like just recently, like today and they’re like, oh, the, the R one how’s the analog. Like, they don’t have analog drive-through on that. Like, how do you feel about that? It’s like, I didn’t even know the pedal didn’t have, didn’t have like analog drive-through

[01:03:09] Andrew: points.

[01:03:10] Like, can you really tell

[01:03:12] Andy: no, you can’t. And

[01:03:14] Emily: if I have to like, sit, not that propel in particular, people of people said that to me also about not having analog drive-through I’m like, it’s not that’s the deal breaker. Does the B one have analog try through as an option though,

[01:03:30] Andy: to be, I don’t care. That’s like one of those features of pedals, like I’ll, I’ll, I’ll like my mind will see it, but like my, my caring mind, like my give a shit, mine would just be like, I don’t kind of go with it.

[01:03:40] Like, does this sound good? It sounds

[01:03:43] Andrew: if it sounds good, it sounds good.

[01:03:44] Andy: Yeah. Right. And then, cause it seemed like the whole tone sock, like every time, like on the gear pages, always like every week, there’s always like this pedal, there’s a tone suck. And it’s like, if you have a pedal board with the drive, just like up the tone on the dryer, like, like, I dunno this

[01:03:58] Emily: whole, like, that’s why it has a volume.

[01:04:02] Well, I mean

[01:04:03] Andrew: there’s maybe some pedals legitimately. Do you have a little bit of a tongue sex? Like I’ve got to do FX 65 that I love the sound of, but if it’s in the chain of anything, it definitely like I can tell, but what I would have done previously work around that is I, at one point I just had like a, a single channel Looper pedal.

[01:04:19] I just stuck it in that and that way, when it was on it made it a great sound and it was off, it wasn’t sucking anything. And it’s not an

[01:04:25] Andy: issue. No, for sure. There are ways around it. Like even like with volume pedals, like I remember people were like, oh, like the VP is like, there’s like massive, like tone suck.

[01:04:34] It was like, well, put a dry one.

[01:04:36] Andrew: You’re using your tuner out.

[01:04:40] Andy: Well, it’s also like, you can competent, like, it just put a dry, but like one drive pedal before when drop-in line. And then I just like pumped the tone and it’s like, I really like to be honest, like I think people don’t realize they can use other pedals to build their sound. So like, it’s like, yeah, there was a bit of a tone psych with the volume pedal, but then like the dry pedal I put after to compensate, like, it was such a better sound than just without the volume pedal in the, in the, uh, in the whole, like, I guess, effect chain, you know?

[01:05:06] So

[01:05:07] Emily: yeah, looking at it as like a whole picture instead of the sum of its parts, like it’s the sum of its parts. It’s not, it’s not the individual things. Like, it’s fine to have something like a dark pedal, even if you don’t like dark sounds. If you have something else, like compensate for that. Yeah.

[01:05:26] Andy: Yeah.

[01:05:26] People don’t really thinking in terms of like a layering textures. That’s why, like I taught like pedal boards. It’s like, it’s really just a calm, like, you know what I mean? Like sometimes I’m not sure if, I mean, I have a lot of pedals, but like sometimes if I take out one pedal and I replace another and it’s like that pedal changes the context, everything around.

[01:05:42] So it’s like, you just start moving all the other things around and it’s like, it’s just something new. It’s like, it really is a system. Right.

[01:05:48] Emily: That’s why, yeah. That’s, that’s the fun. That’s why like every time you change one pet, like it’s so hard to change one pedal on your books, because then you’re like, oh, you know, this will sound really good.

[01:06:00] Now the song

[01:06:07] needed more reverbs. Absolutely. Yeah. The D one did not have dry, uh, analog dry.

[01:06:15] Andrew: Hasn’t bothered

[01:06:16] Andy: me. Didn’t even know

[01:06:18] Emily: you liked that one. Don’t you

[01:06:19] Andrew: do? Yeah, I finally, uh, since all the moving stuff happened, I finally plugged into an amp this week and yeah, it had a lot of fun, but it was also a great slice of humble pie of like, oh, if I don’t touch it guitar for six weeks, I forget things.

[01:06:35] Andy: And I make mistakes. This pedal doesn’t have analog through and no one complains about it, then it’s amazing.

[01:06:40] Emily: So I can’t see because of the resolution

[01:06:45] Andy: yeah.

[01:06:46] Andrew: I mean, we’ll play one of those yet, but I’ve heard nothing but good things.

[01:06:50] Emily: They wanted the guitar store when they were on our row.

[01:06:53] Andy: They’re really good. Uh, Saudia was like, I feel like they’re one, I don’t know. They make really high quality effects. I feel like if you’re like really like, uh, you care about like studio grade, like high quality.

[01:07:04] I’m surprised they don’t talk about source audio more often. And it’s not a plug. I mean, I just feel like people should say no one mentions them to be honest. So much shit comes my way on the account. And it just like, I’m always surprised that they don’t get spoken about more. Right.

[01:07:19] Emily: Is there, yeah, there are always brands that surprise me.

[01:07:21] I’m so

[01:07:23] Andrew: their source audio is problem isn’t that they, uh, they under-price things because, so, okay. I’m going to go out on a limb here if you humor me for a moment. So source audio stuff, clocks in like underneath where it’s streaming or Maris, or even I think third, I think they fall under even GFI these days

[01:07:45] Emily: for some of their heads.

[01:07:46] And it’s just, the lay is $300 in the D one was isn’t that 400 the D one. I

[01:07:52] Andrew: honestly don’t know off the top of my head, but the impression I get from moderating the worship group that I’m on. Is a lot of folks will post like a, Hey, which delay river combo is going to be best for worship, which we can argue about why that’s a terrible question anyway, another day.

[01:08:10] And they’ll just post a bunch of stuff. So like, uh, it’s like a night sky and a Volante and then a big sky in a timeline. And just kind of going down the line of like all of the heavy hitter, like classic combos. And then there’s the source audio nemesis. I’m looking at this going dude, you’re playing three songs a week.

[01:08:27] That’s going to be that’s way more than what you’ll ever need. And it’s going to sound just as good as everything else. If we’re being really honest, it’s just going to be it’s what algorithms do you want is what it’s really going to come down to. But the sense I get is like, oh, these other brands are king for X, Y, and Z.

[01:08:42] And I can’t help, but find myself wondering, is there a sense of like, oh, I didn’t spend enough money. And there’s the whole, like, to an extent. So for some people, pedal boards is like, look at how cool. Yeah, that’s right. That’s my board be jealous. I think there’s kind of that dynamic going on in the source audio stuff with a price tag alone, doesn’t quite have that sexy factor for people’s destroy people’s egos, which I’m totally okay with,

[01:09:09] Emily: to me a little, I mean, it doesn’t look like it doesn’t have the same aesthetic personality that I think a lot of people also want.

[01:09:17] Um, I don’t want to say it looks like a boss pedal, but, and I think this is probably a bad, it’s bad for them that their brands like joy or that put out stuff that looks not dissimilar. Um, yeah. I don’t know. The, the, the nemesis delay is 300. That’s the same price as the D one, um, a lot more algorithms, but you know, I look at it and I think, uh, like I have the, the DD 200, I bet it can do a lot of this.

[01:09:46] Andy: The cool thing about this is this is the app that they have. So they have like a user app on your phone and sorry, I have cat cat hair behind this. I’m just going to throw it out right now. Cause it was

[01:09:57] Andrew: cat hair all over my jacket. You’re fine.

[01:09:59] Andy: Uh, so yeah, the algorithm, they have like an app and you can like, uh, beam, well eats like live, like you edit on the app and it edits on this and then they have like the community of stuff.

[01:10:08] So that’s the one thing that the DD 200 would be lacking, but yeah,

[01:10:13] Emily: but the DD 200 is also 50 bucks, less expensive.

[01:10:15] Andy: Yeah. And that’s

[01:10:19] Andrew: the impression I get from the source audio. Like the app ecosystem is it’s what TC electronic wanted home print to turn into and just can never really actualize thanks to its acquisition to another larger.

[01:10:35] Company that didn’t lean into that as much.

[01:10:38] Emily: I would say I need to reread the manual on the DD 200. Cause I’m doing something wrong with that title lately.

[01:10:47] Andy: I’m glad you spoke about like the $50 less expensive. I’m not sure if you’ve seen this phenomenon on the gear page where people are complaining about pedal prices as though like the only thing that costs money in a pedal is like the parts that go in.

[01:10:58] It’s like that’s dope. People don’t have like overhead salaries,

[01:11:03] Emily: $20 worth of parts. And then like a big year sold $20 worth of parts. And it was like, people be like, what does it build? What does it pill? And grant would be like,

[01:11:15] Andrew: take the time to develop something. You didn’t pay me to take the time to do marketing and brand development, to get it into your hands and distribution and all the other things that go on.

[01:11:24] Emily: Yeah, you didn’t pay me for, you paid me for $20 worth of parts and you can do the rest of yourself. I think a couple people did think something or they said they were going to, I’m not sure if anybody ever actually did. There’s no PCB. It’s just parts.

[01:11:40] Andy: Yeah. But you know, it’s nice. It’s like, it’s nice that you can make it, but like, you know, it’s not that nobody can make it, but it’s like, it’s also, you’re paying for someone else making it.

[01:11:50] Right. Like, I dunno. It’s just like this weird concept of like, if I can make it for $20, that’s what it should count. And it’s like, that’s great for you. But like this person needs to eat. Their employees need to eat. They need some benefits.

[01:12:00] Andrew: Right. And people treat concentration the same exact way as well.

[01:12:03] Yeah,

[01:12:04] Emily: that’s true. And we were talking about that earlier, but like this, this took me two hours to build. I’m sure I could get it in less than an hour after I make a bunch. But like at Seattle’s minimum wage, that’s at least $30 worth of labor plus

[01:12:20] Andrew: every $5.

[01:12:23] Emily: Yeah. And this is like soldering is skilled labor.

[01:12:28] I’ll be at people who can solder. And for that matter people who can, well, welding is one of the least lucrative, uh, trades

[01:12:37] Andy: also like, you know, DSP like coders or premium, like it’s a lot of money to hire a coder.

[01:12:44] Emily: Find software dev is not cheap. Yeah. But it is, it is interesting when people are like, oh, it’s just $20 worth of parts as if the point of a business isn’t to turn a profit.

[01:12:56] Well, this is okay. So if it’s $20 for the parts, uh, I’ll sell it to you for $50 or at least $40 to make my, to make my margins, you know, reasonable. Um, and he’s like Andrew saying, people do treat content creation the same way. Like I’m a writer and, uh, some people. Pitch articles to the value that, and some people, um, just what free content and they will publish it on their website.

[01:13:26] And, uh, before you ever talk money or edits or anything like that, and then you send them an email that says, what the fuck? Why did you publish this? What did you think you were getting this for free, I guess. And I learned a valuable lesson to not send the draft without, uh, also sending an invoice.

[01:13:48] Andy: I think it’s like art in general.

[01:13:50] Right? Like, I just feel like the concept, like, even like pedals, like it’s, it’s kind of, it’s like, it’s a bill, but it’s like an art, like it’s a design from someone’s mind. And it’s, I feel like art when it’s like painting, you know, drawing graphs, like writing is like music. People think like, it’s like, it doesn’t like, there’s no investment in there, so it should be free type of

[01:14:09] Emily: thing, but it’s you love it.

[01:14:12] You can do it for the love of it or that’s hobbies even then like, There’s a point where like, if I, if for what I do, if I’m benefiting somebody else, then I want to get paid for it.

[01:14:24] Andy: No, exactly. And the thing is, is kind of like the other thing that gets me upset. It’s it’s, it’s it ticks me off because like, it’s a whole, it’s a whole forum dedicated to like their love of gear or the love of the companies they like, but then it’s like, the company stays alive by you, you know, buying their shit and then making a bike.

[01:14:44] If they’re not making a profit, that shit you like won’t be available. Like, you know what I mean? It just like, it’s just this weird concept. It’s like, I really liked that pedal in that company, but I don’t want to pay for their, their shit.

[01:14:53] Emily: Well, I guess you don’t really like it, but also like, yeah, it’s, it’s okay to be like, this is not, uh, affordable for me right now.

[01:15:01] Or like, this is not something that I can invest in. And that is very much more personal situation. I don’t wanna say it’s a personal problem, but I mean, how you spend your money shows what you value. And you can say, like, I think that’s cool, but I don’t value it enough to like spend the money. Like, I can be honest, like I’ve demoed guitars and, uh, some of the more expensive ones, I think this is a really nice guitar.

[01:15:29] It’s worth this amount of money. I would never spend this much money on a guitar on this guitar.

[01:15:33] Andy: No, but then there’s like guitars like this, and this is the best guitar at all. Like I’m not gonna lie. Like, holy shit. That’s like they should, I know spenders choir, whatever. They can up the price on that and it’ll still be worth.

[01:15:45] It it’s really

[01:15:47] Emily: well. That’s like what you said, like what the star caster that someone saw in a store and bought, because you said your friend said to play with like a much more expensive guitar. Like I think in the video I’m like this plays like a six or $700 guitar and it’s 3 50, 400. Yeah. Yeah. Then I saw another video where a guy picked up an $880 guitar, and then he did a lot of work on he’s like, you know, yeah.

[01:16:09] Not everyone knows how to file their own nuts. And like in Tony did on their own. And you’ve put in the work. This spleen plays like a $250 guitar.

[01:16:19] Okay. In a $75 set up on $180 a guitar, it actually kind of sounds like, like it, that would be $255. Like in Seattle that said it would be $85. So if you buy a $180 guitar to an $85 setup, and then you’re like, this place is like a $250 guitar, guess what? You lost money? Like they plays like a, like a lesser guitar.

[01:16:44] Okay. Then the, what you’ve invested in it I’m like, why would you brag about that? I don’t know, man.

[01:16:52] Andy: Yeah, for sure. But you’re right. Like you think like, like some people want more expensive stuff. Not everyone can afford it, but like, I think like the pedal niche, like there’s enough range of prices that you can find something that sounds good for what you can afford.

[01:17:05] Like, I’m just going to be honest, like not this promo joy too much, but like, you know, you want an, you want an Iridium, you can’t afford it, but you want to read him just for like a fender type of sound. I made the Julio American sound. This is $30 and it’s fantastic. So, well, it sounds great. Yeah, sorry. I

[01:17:24] Andrew: had it.

[01:17:25] It does the

[01:17:26] Emily: job. It does. Yeah. And that’s the kind of thing, cause like, it’s probably also like a point of where you are in your life. Like if your budget for that kind of sound is under a hundred dollars, then you’re probably not making a lot of money from your music or that’s just not where you want to spend your money.

[01:17:47] So like, if you’re a professional, like yeah, you can probably get by on playing like a $200 guitar or you Squire, but if you’re a professional and you want something, that’s like, definitely gonna feel good, like in your, and you can justify it as like a work expense. Like I’m I do editing all day, like not all day, but like I I’ll I’ll spend a day editing stuff.

[01:18:09] Could I do that on a $500 laptop? Yeah, it would take longer. It would probably not look as good. I’d have to cut some corners. I wouldn’t be able to put out like w like the quality in the time set

[01:18:22] Andrew: a video to render and come back on. After

[01:18:24] Emily: the weekend I used to do that. I used to do like, I’ll edit. Uh, I would go downstairs after dinner, I’d edit a video.

[01:18:31] I’d start, I’d have it exporting. I come down the next morning and then I would, uh, it would be edited. And then that was when it really sucked. If I like forgot to do something, like if I didn’t edit it right. Like if I put, if I accidentally like mucked up, the intro need to go back and like redo some texts and be like, ah, I guess I’m not releasing this today.

[01:18:56] Andy: That’s actually my life, my laptop sucks to render stuff. And sometimes I forget to like, change the cause. Like I’ll use like. I’ll use old videos with like the templates and just change the texts in them. Right. Then I’ll forget to do the titles. And it’s like five hours of rendering. It’s like, oh fuck. I left the old fuck up title in the video.

[01:19:14] This

[01:19:14] Emily: is not the R one. This is something different. Fuck. Yeah, no I’ve been there. But so that’s the other kind of thing. Like if there’s difference between gets the job done and is like acceptable audio file quality. But then like maybe you’re a low person, maybe like a William burger type and you want to do the lo-fi in that case then?

[01:19:36] Yeah. You don’t, you probably don’t want like the fanciest stuff. Like the, the, the amp with the most headroom Kristalis cleans, uh, you probably want something a little weird or you want to spend five or actually I think they were about a thousand dollars right now. If you want to get the chase bliss generation loss.

[01:19:56] Fuck.

[01:19:57] Andrew: There’s a, there’s a part of me, like kind of thinking through all this, like it’s a double edged sword in terms of like the ego that people have when it comes to brands and not being willing to accept, like, look, dude, you’ve got 500 bucks, you’re going to get $500 worth of gear. Sorry. You’re not going to get studio grade professional equipment, but that’s okay.

[01:20:15] There’s a party like once like that people like just admit it there’s an ego death there. We’re all happy and just you’re okay with whatever year you can afford. That was the other part of me is like, well, the flip side is that there’s brains that really rely on that marketing that not, I don’t know for lie as a fair work, but like there’s elements where like the marketing you’re paying for a brand name.

[01:20:36] They’ve worked hard to build that up and it’s working.

[01:20:40] Emily: So yeah. Well you can look at things like the chase bliss Tomba town series. And like I’ve played some streaming gigs with the preamp mark too. I don’t think I would play like a club gig with it. So like now that shows are going to come back, I’m going to change my pedal board and take it off and use it as a studio tool.

[01:20:58] Probably mostly like I’m afraid for it. If I’m playing like a dingy club.

[01:21:04] Andrew: Yeah. The fader cover the fader lid.

[01:21:06] Andy: And before you do that, read the gear page thread about the fader lid. Oh man. I don’t know if you want to read that one, but that maybe you, well, one thing, one thing I do want to say, I’ve noticed the people who complain most about the price of pedal boards.

[01:21:22] I always go look at their Instagram profile and invariably, they always have like three Les Pauls or like, it’s like what? You have like $8,000 worth of guitars. But like the $2,000 battle board, the same guitar, like the same guitar, but it’s the $2,000 pedalboard that’s unacceptable. You know, like I, I don’t know.

[01:21:41] You know, like I had people complain about like the chase bliss $900, but they bought like a $5,000 guitar. Like, you know, like

[01:21:48] Emily: boutique guitars, how you want to spend your money in that school. It’s like, I remember I, I talked about the SIM, the simplicity of my board and my paddleboard has an expensive pedals on it, including my app, which so, so like my amp really skewed, like that had the milkman, uh, really skewed the whole price of the board overall, uh, by a lot.

[01:22:09] And then I look at it, I’m like, yeah, that’s what all that stuff would retail for, but that’s not what I paid for it. But you see? No, but like I remember, um, yeah, I was like, yeah, sometimes simple stuff is really expensive. That’s the, that’s the case with like designer jewelry. It’s a phase place, big case with a lot of designer fashion.

[01:22:30] Like you want jeans that have a weird pattern on them. Twenty-five dollars all day. If you just want like a nice pair of jeans that doesn’t have a pattern on it. Uh, crosses entered the chat that Lee all got every time. Okay. So nobody, a lot of people aren’t don’t know, Jay cross from the guitar nerds podcast.

[01:22:49] He, this was so long ago he posted a picture and it’s just like his pant legs. He says like, I’ve been wearing these jeans for week weeks. I just noticed there’s a weird pattern on them. This is the worst day of my life. Like he had to do. She asked Jesus didn’t notice because like, I gotta be honest. Like if your vision isn’t like men tend to have not as great vision as women.

[01:23:12] Like they can’t, y’all literally can’t see as many colors. Um, and that might possibly be because you don’t name them. That’s a weird, psychological thing to get into later. But every couple of months, For some reason that post by Jay pops up in my timeline and it makes me laugh so hard every time I see it, this is the worst day of my life.

[01:23:35] Andy: Well, I had bought a pair of jeans and like, after like months I realized, wait, there’s a shine on these jeans. How the hell am I haven’t I haven’t noticed this. It was like, it’s not just like a, uh, you know, it’s like a, it was a shine. It was like, like a waxed finish. I’m like, holy crap. I don’t want it. So I want it.

[01:23:54] Emily: Where are they? Where are they? Water resistant? What? That wax finish,

[01:23:58] Andy: why they were like, they just look like, you know, when you’d like, get like polyester, like, and you rub it in, like, it like, it like burns, but like it’s like very shiny. Yeah.

[01:24:06] Emily: Oh, because it melts that’s why polyester your mouse. Yeah.

[01:24:11] Andy: Yeah.

[01:24:11] They sort of looked like, I was just like, I was just wearing shiny jeans for months.

[01:24:15] Emily: Yeah. That’s why you don’t want to catch fire when you’re wearing polyester, because it will melt to your skin. Oh, sweet dreams, everybody.

[01:24:22] Andy: Well, just to be clear, I want everyone to know, like, I’m not saying more expensive pedals are better or you should feel bad about buying cheap pedals.

[01:24:28] Like yeah. I would buy, I would buy like a bus, the us one every day of the weekend. Oh, D totally of the week. Like I’m just gonna, yeah,

[01:24:37] Emily: it’s just, you know, it’s, it’s really cool to see what people can come up with and these, these, uh, pricier pedals. But like, I think that if you can’t have fun with cheap pedals, you’re probably just not a very fun person.

[01:24:49] Andy: I’ll agree with that

[01:24:50] Andrew: harsh,

[01:24:51] Emily: but fair. I don’t, I can’t imagine somebody coming for me for saying that coming at me for saying that, but it’s kind of like saying if you, if you can’t enjoy like a dive bar every once in a while, like, I don’t know. Probably not my, I think

[01:25:07] Andy: maybe it’s like, if you can enjoy the cheap pedal because it’s cheap.

[01:25:11] Yeah,

[01:25:12] Emily: yeah, yeah. You can say, oh, you know, it doesn’t do all the things I want to do, but if you can’t have a little bit of fun with some limitations, that’s another thing. Cheat pedals often have, like those limitations, you have to be creative to work around. And that really stretches your brain muscles.

[01:25:25] Like that’s cool. That’s like, that’s like, uh, we, we talk about the, you should always have one pedal on your board that you have no idea how to use.

[01:25:33] Andrew: Yeah. Something that’s too weird. Doesn’t fit into the zone. You’re playing just forces you in between sets. You’re like, huh? I wonder if I did XYZ. If this would work,

[01:25:44] Andy: I’m gonna admit something, anything with an envelope filter.

[01:25:47] I just, I don’t know how to use those pedals. Like, I feel like coding that it’s like, DynaMed

[01:25:51] Andrew: put an envelope filter on your board this week.

[01:25:54] Andy: Yeah, I think that’s the, that’s the thing I struggled most with the Enzo, like the whole like envelope control. It’s like I controlled the effects.

[01:26:06] Emily: That’s just like very small adjustments until you get it.

[01:26:13] Cool. Well, we’ve actually been recording for a really long time. Yeah. This is a

[01:26:16] Andy: long episode. I

[01:26:18] Emily: talk a lot. I talk, it’s fun to actually like have an episode that was very much about talking about,

[01:26:25] Andrew: sir. This is a podcast. Yes. You’re

[01:26:28] Emily: supposed to do that. Yes. You a photographer. Every guest say that all the time.

[01:26:32] Like, sorry. I talk to them. Like, no, it’s why we want you on the podcast. No, but

[01:26:39] Andy: I knew the type of person to where people are. Like, if I meet them, it’s like, I, it, I gotta go now. I’m sorry. You can go.

[01:26:48] Emily: That’s all good. So where can people find you, Andy?

[01:26:52] Andy: Uh, there’s a lot of underscores, but it’s like, pedalboard underscore of underscore the underscore day with the sign at the beginning.

[01:27:01] It’s on Instagram. It’s on Instagram and I guess on YouTube, but please it’s pedalboard on the day. If it’s YouTube, not pedal of the day.

[01:27:09] Emily: Yes, those are different. People will get into that.

[01:27:16] Andy: Please. Don’t give them subscribers. Give me subscribers.

[01:27:20] Emily: Yes. Give, give Andy subscribers. Don’t subscribe to pellet. I think you’re getting Andy.

[01:27:24] Um, cool. Andrew, anything else you want to close off? Close us out with

[01:27:29] Andrew: you. Have a great name.

[01:27:32] Andy: You, you have a great name. Thank you. That’s all I got for today. Ms. Many Andes and Andrews in the pedal world. Are you my boss? And

[01:27:41] Andrew: my day job is named Andrew. So he just goes by juror and I go by Andrew and then some called the Andy the other day.

[01:27:48] I’m like

[01:27:50] Emily: I, Andrew. It’s like calling me Emmy or M without asking first. I don’t like it. Well, everyone, thank you for watching. Thanks for understanding. Please check out the links in the video description for pedalboard the day and rude tech and all that. If you want to shop on reverb, .