Get Offset Episode 140: Demos in the Dark

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[00:00:00] Andrew: go for it. Welcome to the get offset podcast. My name is Andrew

[00:00:20] Emily: and my name is Emily. And we’re here today with Ryan, from demos in the dark all the way from

[00:00:29] Ryan: Minneapolis soda

[00:00:32] Emily: someplace, a little more Savage than

[00:00:33] Ryan: that, but yeah, well, yeah. So yeah, I, I moved out of the, uh, we sold their house in the city. Um, incidentally, it wasn’t like because of this, but we sold our house in the city.

[00:00:48] Uh, a couple of, uh, weeks after George Floyd was murdered and we were like our, our house houses maybe. Couple miles from where that happened. Uh, yeah. And so like that was our, that was our police station and target and liquor store and post office and stuff like that, that all got burned down. That was my neighbor.

[00:01:13] That was my, like, we just, we sat in our, in our yard and just watch smoke billowing up. Um, but I, I sold, uh, we sold that house, uh, and bought one out in the country. We have a big old house in the country. Now that’s on, um, multiple acres of really dense. Will it end? The city’s name is Savage. It’s just so dense

[00:01:37] Emily: Woodland, which means you don’t have to Mel, every weekend.

[00:01:40] I would hope

[00:01:40] Ryan: we don’t have any, any grass.

[00:01:43] Emily: That’s the life did.

[00:01:45] Ryan: Yeah, I left, I left my lawnmower with the people who bought my other house. So that was, uh,

[00:01:50] Emily: yeah, there’s people we bought from left there. Push mower because there was just one little patch of grass they just put in. So the dog would have somewhere to go to the bathroom and we just are like, we’ve mulched over.

[00:02:02] We’re like, fuck your grass.

[00:02:06] Ryan: My, my mine’s a little bit terrified because my dogs just like disappear into the woods and they’re pugs. Oh yeah. And they’re pugs in like, like we don’t have, uh, We don’t have any issues with like crime or anything out here. Um, but, uh, coyotes are the criminals, coyotes, coyotes are the problem.

[00:02:28] So it’s like

[00:02:30] Emily: birds of prey. I’m sure. A little

[00:02:32] Ryan: bit. Yeah, we have, uh, we have bald Eagles out here and stuff like that. It’s cool with like, when they go over, it’s like they block out the sun. They’re so huge. But, um, yeah. And there’s an owl that I hear, but I don’t, I mean, I could live here for the rest of my life and I doubt I’ll ever see it cause they that’s, they don’t, they don’t want to be seen.

[00:02:54] Emily: Awesome. Well, before we get into it, I do just want to say, uh, uh, we have a Patrion. You can support us at patrion.com/get offset for as little as $5 a month. You get access to our super secret discord server and we’re getting really close to some weird goal that we set that was like, Andrew would make some death metal cover of a wiggle.

[00:03:14] Do you

[00:03:14] Andrew: remind Andrew that I agreed to that,

[00:03:18] Emily: so yeah. Give us money. So Andrew does that. I think it’ll be really funny,

[00:03:24] Ryan: Brian, from spruce of X. And I have always talked about how we want him form a thrash punk band that only does Daniel tiger songs. Um, and yeah, if you’ve got kids, you know, you know, like, like a, like a super thrash punky version of like, if you have to go potty stop and go right away, right

[00:03:45] Andrew: away.

[00:03:48] Emily: Yeah. You can also support this podcast by liking commenting and subscribing on YouTube. If you’re watching the video version or on apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts, uh, if you can rate and review this podcast that does help us tremendously. We also have merge including our famous for fuck’s sake line.

[00:04:07] I get off at podcast.com/shop. What’s so funny, Andrew. No,

[00:04:11] Andrew: sorry. I I’m just hung up. I, I, I think I agreed to that goal. Like a year ago I was like, oh, I’m going to have to clear my summer plans. I’m going to for a musician. That’s like, I’ll do that EAP next year. Um, for the last decade. I’m terrified now. Um, sorry.

[00:04:32] So ignore my facial expressions. I think I’m just having the existential reckoning.

[00:04:38] Emily: Yes. Also I will be at summer Nam. If anybody sees me walking around there. Right. Are you

[00:04:45] Ryan: going, I’m not going. I thought about it. Um, but, uh, no, I,

[00:04:53] Emily: I, so I can go to waffle house with working class music. Oh, cool. For 24

[00:04:58] Ryan: hours though.

[00:05:00] Yeah. Um, are they in Nashville or are they just going to be there? Yeah, they’re

[00:05:04] Emily: in Atlanta. So they’re on 3, 8, 3 to four hours away depending on traffic.

[00:05:08] Ryan: Um, yeah, you know, I I’ll be, I’ll be interested to see if, uh, anybody goes, uh, yeah, I’ve talked to you, I’ve talked to you, some folks in the mass sphere of things and very few of them are going, which kind of defeats my ability to write off a trip.

[00:05:28] Um, but, um, they. I think a few of them are doing it, but they’re going to go in like the stomp box deli, you know, conglomerate thing. Um, yeah. Yeah. I

[00:05:41] Emily: know Lance Giles’ from dog, man. Devices is doing that. So I’m excited

[00:05:44] Ryan: to meet Lance in person. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. You, uh, you guys have a history, like you’re like the only person that demonstrate stuff, aren’t you?

[00:05:54] Emily: Yeah, I guess, I think maybe like officially like demo person, but uh, yeah, no Ohio, Ohio bros. You know how IO has got to get a stick together even in, especially after we leave Ohio.

[00:06:09] Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. That’s a. I I’m agreeing and I don’t know why. Um, cause I’m not from Ohio, so I don’t know. Yeah.

[00:06:18] Emily: I love, I love Ryan that you’re doing this rule of thirds thing.

[00:06:21] Not fully understanding that I’m going to crop you.

[00:06:24] Ryan: Oh, I’m a, this not top.

[00:06:30] I also have a rolling chair, so okay. Here we go. I’ll just stay here and not move right.

[00:06:39] Emily: I’m regretting not putting on makeup this morning, but I’m going to box up to this. Hey Andrew, what’s new with you.

[00:06:45] Andrew: What’s new with me. Um, what is, uh, speaking of tense, Midwestern relationships, uh, we’re Midwesterners stick out for each other.

[00:06:54] It’s actually more to do with family. I went to Nebraska last week.

[00:06:57] Emily: Ooh, that’s a great Bruce Springsteen record.

[00:07:05] Wow. How was that emotionally for Bruce Springsteen record

[00:07:09] Andrew: for, I am getting dunked on today. This is great. Uh, no, so I went to Nebraska for the weekend to celebrate my, uh, my brother’s two years of sobriety. Uh, so congratulations to him, uh, fittingly, I flew American airlines, which apparently is aa.com. Uh, and so the entire flight there, I’m like how the there’s some sort of subliminal messaging for why I’m taking a, to go to an AA meeting to celebrate his two years of sobriety anyways.

[00:07:37] Uh, no, it was really good. Uh, it was really strange though. There’s this concept out there, out there that seems to be ancient history now, which is the mask. And I was so floored. Like I got off the airplane, left the airport, got in the car with my grandpa, went to go to a diner and as we’re getting out of the car, like I start to grab my mask and he’s like, we don’t do that.

[00:07:59] Like, oh, he’s like you’re vaccinated, right? Like, okay. So I’m just gonna be really uncomfortable the whole weekend. I don’t know, like I can’t hide my facial expressions. It was so weird. I’m trying

[00:08:10] Emily: to, like, I feel a little bit like I’m easing into, I think that’s the only way it’s going to happen. Cause I kinda need to do it by summer, Nan, because I don’t think masks are, super-duper a thing there, but you know, I I’ve I’ve, I’ve had a couple instances where I left the house and it was like walking into a restaurant.

[00:08:27] I’m like, ah, shit. I had to go back and get my mask.

[00:08:31] Ryan: It’s at least where we’re at. They’re gone. Um, I mean, like, I think people who are, you know, like if you go to like Starbucks or something like the barista, if you can call it that, or, uh, we’ll be wearing that.

[00:08:48] Oh

[00:08:50] Emily: no, your audience right now.

[00:08:52] Ryan: Yeah. I know you got some Seattle people do do like Seattle

[00:08:56] Andrew: people know that Starbucks baristas aren’t barista.

[00:08:58] So they’re pressing buttons on a machine. Yeah.

[00:09:02] Emily: To be fair and not be mean to people about, I don’t want to be mean

[00:09:04] Andrew: to people either, but it’s like, it’s a good first barista job where you learn the basic principles and then go, actually learn how to do it manually.

[00:09:13] Ryan: Um, but uh, yeah, like there’ll be wearing masks, but for the most part, nobody’s doing it out here anymore.

[00:09:20] Um, but it did like, it, it, like, I experienced like people doing, you know, like going into a place and then being like,

[00:09:33] and. I, I personally, uh, my, my spouse, my wife would, uh, she would be fine with everyone wearing masks for the rest of their lives.

[00:09:45] Emily: I mean, kind of me also, like I just, it was really nice not getting a cold at all. Last year. I wear them when my allergies are bad it’s and it helps.

[00:09:53] Ryan: Yeah. You know, the, um, the, it was really hard.

[00:09:59] Like the, the way the pandemic was hard on me is I’m this like extreme introvert and, um, the way introverted. Take in the world is by watching other people and watching other people interact. Yeah. So like about halfway, cause like at the beginning of the pandemic, I was like, man, I’m going to thrive in this.

[00:10:21] Like this is, this is my year. Um, stay inside and don’t talk to people. Perfect. Um, uh, but I, I started to get depressed about halfway through and I could not figure out why. And then when I figured out why it was because, you know, part of like the way. Interact socially is watching other people interact with each other and their facial expressions and you know, all that kind of stuff.

[00:10:45] And I wasn’t getting that because people were six feet apart and wearing masks. And so like, I, I did somehow I ended up missing out on a deal, like a big part of my social, whatever

[00:10:58] Andrew: that makes total sense. Yeah. Well, it seems like we’re, we’re coming out on the other end of it. Uh,

[00:11:05] Emily: finally for me, it’s been one lovely having my husband home all the time, but like, I didn’t have any time alone.

[00:11:15] Like literally at all is also the thing. Like, I couldn’t just sit on the sofa and like vibe and they were like, I would go upstairs to like, get a glass of water and he would come downstairs and I had to like pause my podcast. And I was like, I’m not used to this.

[00:11:31] Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. We well, so that the house that we were in, in Minneapolis.

[00:11:37] About 1300 square feet and everything was kind of centered around the living room. So like the playroom was in the living room, the, you know, the offices where the living of the, you know, whatever it’s. So that first, uh, you know, 50 days or whatever, that they just shut down the entire state. It was, you know, it was my, my wife, my four year old, two pugs, all in this very small area.

[00:12:02] And boy, we, we almost didn’t make it.

[00:12:08] Emily: I think the toddler and the toddler might be the hard one

[00:12:11] Ryan: for me. Yeah. The toddler, the toddler was definitely the little kid. I don’t know. Yeah. We were, we were chomping at the bit for him to go back to preschool. And with that, when that happened, uh, things got easier.

[00:12:23] But then, um, now we’re at here with a much larger space when we have a dedicated space and now I don’t want her to go back to work.

[00:12:31] Emily: Yeah. I don’t want to wait to go back to work either. He went in twice this week. Can listen.

[00:12:40] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:12:42] Emily: I love

[00:12:43] Ryan: it

[00:12:43] Andrew: though. I’m back full-time and it’s so strange. Like in the office five days a week for a full day have to pack my lunches or else I have to, you know, go buy lunch and like going out to lunch with coworkers and it’s like full swing back in the office.

[00:13:00] It’s so strange. Huh? Yeah. Wearing my mask. Cause I, I think I’ve learned that my facial expressions can be the best thing about me and the corporate culture. They can also shoot me down really fast if I have the kind of face and someone says something and I’m really realizing that I’ve relied on my mask to hide that where I can just kinda like laugh at someone when they’re saying something and they don’t really.

[00:13:25] Uh, I can’t do that anymore. If I, if I start taking off my mask, which I haven’t really done in the office a lot, but, um, yeah, it’s gonna be, I’m gonna have to relearn my poker face, my self control to be courteous to others. Keep my

[00:13:41] Emily: inner, I feel lucky. My job is fully and completely remote. And most of the time I don’t have to have my camera on during zoom calls because sometimes, sometimes it’s cool.

[00:13:51] Sometimes it’s great, you know? And then some, every once in a while, it’s like, I just am struggling through this call and one way or another, and I mean, it’s rare, but sometimes just like, I don’t know what’s happening. I’m glad it’s being recorded

[00:14:11] Andrew: because we all go back and watch recordings of her calls.

[00:14:15] Emily: No, I run it through de script. Okay. I mean sometimes like if I’m like interviewing somebody. I just had to run it through the script anyway, to get accurate quotes. But

[00:14:28] Ryan: it’s a thing

[00:14:30] Andrew: it’s a lot about corporate culture. What’s new within these basically. I’ve just got family the summer to summer of seeing family.

[00:14:37] I haven’t seen, uh, my dad’s going to be visiting next week. I haven’t seen him in two and a half years. Yeah. And it’s, so we’re gonna see some close friends that I think things are opening up and realizing the post pandemic world. The people that mean the most to me are the people I want to spend time with.

[00:14:55] And yeah, just try weighing into that in the next couple of months.

[00:15:01] Emily: Wasn’t it with you, Ryan?

[00:15:04] Ryan: Not a whole lot. Just, uh, just hanging out, doing the same old, same old stuff. Uh, during the podcast rounds, I ha you know, I went, I went 40 years without anybody asking me to be on a podcast. And then everybody kind of came on at the same time.

[00:15:23] So, but I mean, like, I, you know, after this it’s going to be done and I don’t know if I can go back to life, not being on pocket, not being, uh, not being on a podcast tour, but it’s um, yeah, no podcast. Well, we’ve been doing a live show on, uh, demos in the dark, which has been fun. Um, the one that we did. Uh, on Thursday with Saif guitars, uh, it was one of the, like, we laughed more than we talked, so that was, that was good.

[00:15:58] Yeah. And those guys are just so cool. I wanted, uh, it was gonna be so cool and I thought it was important to put a face with the, you know, the brand. And I, um, and I think that, I hope that, you know, anybody who was like on the fence about a safe guitar, you know, saw that. And was you like either decided they wanted to pull the trigger on it or they were like, these guys are assholes.

[00:16:25] Um, so yeah, like you can go, you can go either way with that, but, uh, yeah, it was cool. They were like, they were like drinking beers and stuff like that. It was great. It suits and the conversation we talked about guitars like this month. Cool. Nice. Cool.

[00:16:50] Emily: Well, there’s nothing new with me, so let’s just move on

[00:16:56] Andrew: boring. We all know that’s not

[00:16:59] Emily: true. Well, I mean, I have a gun. I didn’t get a new pedal in this week or anything or, oh, shit again. Sorry. I keep, I keep, I keep hitting something that I’m not supposed to hit. Um, I’m looking around, honestly, most of the news stuff I’ve gotten this week is I’m just trying to optimize my desk space a little bit in my office space.

[00:17:20] So I have these a umbrella lights. I mean, Ryan, you wouldn’t know anything about lighting? Uh, I got these umbrella lights on tripods and they take up a ton of space. So we’ve gotten some wall mounts. So I’m gonna put them on the walls.

[00:17:39] Andrew: Someone walking on your roof.

[00:17:41] Ryan: Uh it’s uh, it’s two floors up. Uh, yeah.

[00:17:47] He’s a four year old. He can do, he can do those things.

[00:17:51] Emily: I’m surprised. Uh, I’m in a three-story townhouse and I’m surprised how much noise the cat can make. Like when she’s on the floor above us, like, just like as a little pile, nine pound cat jumping down from the bed and like pitter pattering around the bedroom.

[00:18:06] Like I’m like, ah, wow, this is very

[00:18:09] Ryan: quiet house. Yeah. Uh, yeah, we have, uh, one of our dogs is a 30 pound pug. Um, I mean, you can definitely hear when he does anything, anything whatsoever. He’s a big one. Uh, and this is the one that we’re kind of getting ready to make some peace with. Uh, we brought him into, uh, what we thought was going to be kind of, he was wheezing and we thought it was like bronchitis and, uh, It turns out his, his larynx and his, uh, trachea are all collapsing.

[00:18:52] And, um, there is not much they can do about that. So, um, you know, we, we dropped, we dropped, uh, uh, a lot of money to get his nasal passages, widened his, uh, soft palate shortened. And so I got it just to make things a little bit more comfortable. Um, but it, you know, like they made no secret that we’re making him comfortable in the last year to two years of his life.

[00:19:18] So we’re kind of, you know, on one hand, it’s like, you know, it’s really nice to have this time. Um, on the other hand, I think sometimes that stuff is a little bit easier with the bandaid method, because now we’re just going to be sitting around waiting, not waiting, but you know, like here, you know, go to bed every night and wonder if you’re going to wake up next to a not breathing dog.

[00:19:45] No, sorry to hear that. Sorry, what it is, you know, uh, when they’re, when everything is right with pugs, they can live to be 18 years old. Um, it’s just, you know, I read it and I read an article recently that, uh, said that the only reason the bug as a species has survived is because humans is continuing to otherwise, they would have been gone a long time ago.

[00:20:10] Like they are just a genetic mess.

[00:20:13] Emily: Yeah. Well, they were kind of bred to be a certain way physically and people didn’t really think about like, What that meant for, right? Like if you, if you look at like these pure breed dogs from like a hundred years ago, they look completely different. Like old, like original pictures of some of these dogs.

[00:20:31] It’s like, it’s like how old bananas? It’s like, how one certain type of banana, when it steak, then that’s like the banana flavor and candy. So when you taste like banana flavored candy, you’re tasting like these old bananas that don’t exist anymore. It’s unrecognizable. Yeah. I didn’t know that. Yeah. My, um, my sister-in-law is a chef and she told me that.

[00:20:50] Wow.

[00:20:51] Ryan: So like, that’s why the bananas in runs don’t taste anything like bananas

[00:20:56] Emily: and like Laffy, taffy and

[00:20:57] Ryan: stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:02] Emily: Cool. This is why they don’t have like bananas. We just had to get used to different kinds

[00:21:06] Ryan: of banana. I’m going to repeat that.

[00:21:07] Andrew: That is

[00:21:08] Ryan: bananas. Whoa, B a N a

[00:21:12] Emily: NAS. Well done everybody clap.

[00:21:22] So, um, I guess we’ll thank our sponsor. Rude tech affects Tennessee. Yeah. Uh they’re uh, three month 14 is a really great month. I’ve talked about it a lot. Um, it’s basically three Russia, Russian style, big muscle in one. Ooh. Ooh. Are we getting it? He’s got one too. I thought you

[00:21:48] Andrew: were about to peel out, but I do feel left out.

[00:21:50] I thought you were about to pull out the, uh, the all black, the blackout version. They put a fun their story the other day. Oh, it looks so

[00:21:58] Ryan: slick. I demo that like two months ago and, uh, uh, one of the like guards on the. Not things is, uh, that’s my technical talk, uh, is, uh, coming loose and, uh, Jesse was like, yeah, I’ll fix it.

[00:22:16] Just send it back to me. I’m like, yeah, I’ll get it. I’ll get the mail tomorrow. Nice. It’s still there. Isn’t it? Yeah. It’s been, it’s been over 60 days and I look at it every once in a while. I’m like, I should, I should do that.

[00:22:31] Emily: I’m the same way. Like I got some, I, I have some things to mail out and I think it was, uh, God, which guitar to take me longer to mail out the, the Y Y 10, the IBEN as why by 10.

[00:22:44] Like, I was like, okay, I’m done. They’re like, here’s the, uh, here’s the return label? And I’m like, okay, cool. I’ll get that in the mail this weekend. Three weeks later, I think I finally like hobbled it down to the Syphon ship and dropped it off. I have a printer is the thing. Now. Now I have a printer. Yeah.

[00:23:02] I’ve started mailing enough stuff and getting enough return labels that I needed to get oppressed.

[00:23:07] Ryan: I have a guitar from, uh, that I just cannot get Gibson to take. It’s just sitting in a box and you know, like I just cannot, I’ve told everyone, I know everyone that you encounter, it gives it. I’m like, Hey, by the way, I got a guitar and they’re like, oh, cool.

[00:23:24] We’ll get somebody on that.

[00:23:26] Emily: Yeah. I just, I, I just have to take it back to the showroom, honestly. Yeah. So I’m like, I have to think it’s like, I have to drive 30 minutes to drop this thing off and get a new gets to get the next thing. But yeah. Well, cause I’ll be getting a next thing.

[00:23:43] Ryan: I hope I will not, I know

[00:23:47] Emily: we’ve discussed this privately, but um, you know, I, the thing that I asked them that I just really wanted to do the video for, uh, they haven’t gotten it in yet.

[00:24:00] It’s the Coronet. It’s the Crestwood. Okay. Specifically. Yeah.

[00:24:05] Ryan: Okay. Yeah, cause I, uh, I’ve been curious as to whether the Coronet is ever going to happen or whether they just said that so they could crush the hopes and dreams of the guy from his house.

[00:24:23] I think, I think they probably took more pleasure out of crushing his hopes and dreams than they would out of releasing it and having it be a success. Um, but, uh, I

[00:24:33] Emily: don’t know. I mean, I saw one in the showroom. That was, it was, it was not from, it was like one of the custom shops, but it was still an Epiphone.

[00:24:42] It was a Coronet. So like they have made some have, has anyone gotten one?

[00:24:50] Ryan: Not, I’ve not seen one. I remember

[00:24:53] Emily: when fender fender did those 10, 10 or Teles. And I kept asking like, when are they going to be released? And they’re like, oh, it’s delayed, delayed, delayed. And then the next thing you knew, like. EV, like there were people who had them and they were not for sale anywhere.

[00:25:08] And you’re like, well, uh, I didn’t have it. I didn’t even

[00:25:14] Ryan: have a chance. Yeah.

[00:25:20] Um, yeah, I think I just saw that Gibson is also trying to Sue Collins, callings. Now some head stopped issues and it just, you know, it’s just always busy over there.

[00:25:36] Emily: It’s just always, it’s a very busy,

[00:25:38] Ryan: legal, always something going on. It gives him,

[00:25:40] Andrew: we paid for the retainer anyways. We might as well use it.

[00:25:43] Ryan: Yeah, exactly. It’s

[00:25:45] Emily: almost like the lawyers just have free reign to do things that lawyers will do. Like just sometimes it feels like throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks.

[00:25:54] Ryan: Yeah. Or throwing lawsuits at a wall and see what sticks the

[00:25:57] Andrew: ones. My mom always said when I was a kid, lawyers will be.

[00:26:02] Ryan: It’s true.

[00:26:04] It’s uh, yeah, I need you guys heard about the origin thing, right? Oh yeah.

[00:26:11] Andrew: It seems like a sticky

[00:26:12] Ryan: situation, but I’m sure like, uh, it seems like a confusing situation, like a complex situation. I, yeah, there are two sides to every story, right?

[00:26:23] Andrew: Uh, there are, it seems like we’re having something of a revival though, so,

[00:26:28] Ryan: oh,

[00:26:31] Emily: I actually deleted that sound effect from the real purpose

[00:26:36] Andrew: that, that means we’ve got free reign now.

[00:26:40] Yeah, no, I, I remember seeing the thing the other day and I’m like, this is nonsense origins. Like I, like, I unfollowed origin may 30 to go through and like every angry comment, uh, left on all of their posts and like

[00:26:52] Emily: yeah, you see that when they get off set account.

[00:26:55] Andrew: Okay. And then origin posted the rebuttal make, okay.

[00:26:59] I think some of the facts here don’t entirely line up, but I also agree that this is probably a lot more complex than they went back through and free fall origin and unlike everything. Um,

[00:27:14] Emily: that’s really embarrassing for you. Oh, it’s

[00:27:16] Andrew: entirely embarrassing for me. And I think it, that falls into the category of I learned a lesson and the lesson is that we don’t jump to conclusions.

[00:27:29] Ryan: Yeah. I mean, it sounds, it sounds a little high. It sounds forceful on their end. Uh, even with the, to, you know, like the actual filing, the trademark filing, uh, the challenge, uh, has been leaked.

[00:27:46] And, um, it, you know, to a certain extent, it seems like they were like half like trying to convince a judge that, uh, that revival electric doesn’t exist anymore because they’re pretty small, you know? And, and, you know, to, to that end, it’s like, you know, you, you can’t come in here as this big, you know, essentially coming in as a big company go like, yeah, but we’re better than them,

[00:28:19] Emily: but that’s not how trademarks are supposed to work.

[00:28:22] They’re supposed to protect people. It’s like, what was, what was that, that super band? And like the seventies they were called, like, I don’t want to say the association, but there was something that was like a lawyer kind of name. I think it involved Jimmy page. And, uh, they tried to file trademark for whatever their band named was.

[00:28:42] Um, and, oh my God. And uh, some other band that was just like a bunch of like lawyers that had a van they’d actually filed a trademark for the band name. Cause they did play shows and stuff and their lawyers, of course, they’re going to do that. And the Jimmy page was like, fuck that. I, I, I’m actually trying to make sure it’s actually Jimmy page and I’m not making

[00:29:05] Ryan: shit up.

[00:29:07] I think, I think we all just want like the

[00:29:10] Emily: firm, it was called the, the firm. Yes. So of course lawyers,

[00:29:17] Andrew: blues lawyers there.

[00:29:19] Emily: Exactly. And. So Jimmy pictures, like I’m just going to use the name anyway. That’s not at all how he talks. Um,

[00:29:27] Ryan: that’s a good British accent.

[00:29:31] Emily: I just, I fucking nailed the Minnesota one last week by

[00:29:38] Ryan: no, you didn’t. No, you told me and I needed to go back. Uh, I have it. Well, basically.

[00:29:46] Emily: Yes. So the, the, the actual firm, the law firm firm, I think successfully sued them for money.

[00:29:55] Ryan: Um, I think, you know, part of it, part of it with origin is there is a, uh, there’s a cost of entry with origin and it’s high, you know, the stuff is expensive and therefore they can be really easy to decide.

[00:30:19] Uh, especially, it’s really easy to, to confuse why you don’t like them. Um, you know, I, I, you know, I’ve, it’s like Tesla, you know, like, you know, like everybody hates Elon Musk, you know, and everybody hates Tesla, but it’s like if the cars were super affordable and everybody could buy them, everybody would love Elon Musk, you know?

[00:30:46] Like, but since there is, you know, this, uh, you know, since they’re expensive, then you’re just naturally gonna have a bunch of people who disliked them. And so Andrew’s really itchy,

[00:30:58] Andrew: very itchy. I understand the concept that you’re saying, and I think that works, but also Elon Musk objectively sucks, so,

[00:31:05] Ryan: okay.

[00:31:05] Fair enough.

[00:31:09] Emily: He, by his ideas or something.

[00:31:15] I don’t know anything about it yet. I don’t

[00:31:17] Ryan: know.

[00:31:18] Emily: I just don’t really, I, I, I don’t have much of an idea opinion

[00:31:22] Ryan: on him is all that’s pro that’s probably the place you want to be. Sure. Um, yeah, but I mean, and I don’t know. He’s gotta be kind of cool if Graham’s is date.

[00:31:34] Emily: I, yeah, I would think so. I mean, sometimes you’re like, I think he’s a complex person and I think he said some and said some really stupid shit.

[00:31:43] Yeah. I think he’s probably quite smart. I don’t know how much of a genius he is. He’s at least a little bit funny. Let’s be real sure.

[00:31:54] Andrew: There’s, there’s there’s layers to, to work out there, but in the corporate

[00:31:59] Ryan: sense,

[00:32:00] Emily: he might, he might be the funniest billionaire.

[00:32:04] Ryan: Yeah. But I, one of my fate, one of my favorite Elon Musk moment, Um, was, uh, do you remember when those, there were kids, there was like a, uh, team like trapped in the cave

[00:32:17] Emily: in the, yeah.

[00:32:19] Ryan: And, uh, you know, like time is of the essence, you know, on getting these kids saved and Elon Musk was like, yeah, I’ll build something, just wait a little while. And, and, um,

[00:32:36] Emily: really mean to the diver who saved all the

[00:32:38] Ryan: pedophile. Yeah. There was that Twitter. Yeah. And then somebody, somebody else like developed the thing to save them and he was essentially like, well, that’s what I was going to do, but, you know, like, and it’s, you know, whatever, or I would have done it better or something like that.

[00:32:55] I don’t know. Maybe my favorite Elon Musk moment should be a little bit more, uh,

[00:33:02] Emily: I think it’s the cringy, his thing he’s done. I also think he probably manipulates the cryptocurrency market a little

[00:33:08] Ryan: bit. Yeah. Hello

[00:33:11] Andrew: sec. Yeah. Elan tweeted again. Yeah. You’re going to want to

[00:33:14] Ryan: check that out. Yeah. Yeah. He’s almost like, you know how the president can like completely change the stock market.

[00:33:21] Like Elon Musk is a variable for the cryptocurrency market. I, I, you know, I got into it because like I bought some, some doge coin because he had, uh, been endorsing it and, um, I lost all of it. Lost a lot of money on that one. Not a lot. I, I didn’t put a ton in, you’re not sure. I don’t think

[00:33:50] Emily: that my husband bought, I asked him to buy it at 4 cents and then he sold it at 7 cents.

[00:33:55] Nice. We could have had more

[00:34:01] Andrew: have had it. Oh.

[00:34:05] Ryan: The artist stuff with that is, is knowing when to get out. Um, and I, you know, most of my, I just threw everything into a, um, I have a robo investor and that seems to do fine. Yeah.

[00:34:21] Andrew: I mean, here’s the, with any of that stuff,

[00:34:23] Ryan: can we get back to guitar stuff?

[00:34:27] Andrew: So I just, for the sake of anyone listening to this and might be thinking, oh, Vegas rules, Vegas rules, Vegas rules.

[00:34:35] That has to be Vegas rules. When you get into volatile stocks like that.

[00:34:40] Emily: In other words, don’t, don’t invest anything. You’re not perfectly content to lose. Yep. If

[00:34:45] Andrew: you’re going to be sad, upset, angry, unable to make rent, et cetera. If you lose that money,

[00:34:51] Ryan: don’t do it. Yeah.

[00:34:53] Emily: And I think the same can be said about guitar pedals a little bit, a little bit.

[00:34:59] I mean, there are people in this industry who can manipulate the price of used gear pretty significantly, or any gear you think about Ryan Burke can make, uh, like affordable pedals sell out and that’s pretty amazing. And then Josh Scott making Berenger pedals. Cool. For some reason.

[00:35:22] Andrew: Yeah. I don’t understand.

[00:35:25] Yeah. I just never going to understand that one, but it’s like every time Josh, Scott does a series or a video on a pedal series, like the prices.

[00:35:35] Ryan: Yeah. There was, I think that. Was it the desert doom guy who is responsible for the fact that, that Berenger like metal fuzz pedal thing is like, he made some videos saying that it was like an FC to cloning.

[00:35:51] Yeah. Yeah. And he was like, it sounds exactly like it. And then like the, this poor pedal went from being like 20, $25 and the use market to 250 overnight. Pretty weird. Yeah. Um,

[00:36:06] Emily: it’s pretty, it’s very odd. Like, I mean, I, I’m very much of the idea that these are just, these are just pedals and you shouldn’t, you shouldn’t be like spending a shit ton of money on them.

[00:36:16] I mean, but there are pedals. Like I would love to see like, okay, I’m going to sit up, pull this out of a board. I would love to see this like become super popular. It goes facts. Yeah. I liked this pedal.

[00:36:31] Ryan: That was my favorite out of everything that they did. Um, that was the one that I found myself using the most.

[00:36:42] Emily: Every time I have a drum machine, I pulled us out.

[00:36:47] Ryan: That’s cool. It’s a cool, it’s cool pedal. Um, yeah, I wonder if they’ll ever come back. I don’t know.

[00:36:54] Emily: I think, uh, Louis seems pretty content at a band camp.

[00:37:00] Ryan: Yeah. Is that where she’s at now? Yeah,

[00:37:03] Emily: last I checked. Um, and then at our, in our school.

[00:37:07] Ryan: Yeah. So we, we, uh, we worked with them at mass distro.

[00:37:11] Th I, I think them coming out with mass distro was, um, you know, possibly kind of like a last ditch kind of like, can we do this, could make this thing work, um, and get some help here. And, uh, they were, uh,

[00:37:31] They to a certain extent, they seemed like they were kinda ready to move on to other things. Um, and so I’m sure they’re happy. They seem happy. Yeah. I love, I love, I love Ben and Louise. Um, and I, you know, through, through my, uh, through my job, uh, Louise and I, because she kind of handled the operational side of things and I handle the operational side of things at mass.

[00:38:01] So, um, uh, she and I would speak daily and I do, uh, I do miss talking to her cause I thought she was great. Yeah.

[00:38:11] Emily: All those Midwestern brands. There’s so many, and there’s really so many really cool brands and there’s any Apolis and Wisconsin.

[00:38:20] Ryan: There’s a big, some big ones. Uh, Yup. Those are the only two. I know.

[00:38:30] Well, there’s some smaller ones from Minnesota.

[00:38:33] Emily: Gosh, who are the ones that have like the, like the no knob, chorus and stuff?

[00:38:40] Ryan: Uh, Ooh, no, no, no

[00:38:48] Emily: Henrietta Henrietta engineering. Yeah. Is

[00:38:52] Ryan: that Minnesota?

[00:38:54] Emily: Yeah.

[00:38:57] Ryan: I didn’t know

[00:38:57] Andrew: that she says yeah, as she types it into Google.

[00:39:00] Emily: No, I actually typed purple game guitar pedal into

[00:39:02] Ryan: Google and we have, uh, we have Cooper facts here.

[00:39:07] Thomas

[00:39:10] Emily: Lotus pedals. Dammit. I was, I meant to buy that purple gain pedal cause I just thought it was a funny name. And then it’s sold out

[00:39:20] Ryan: everywhere. Purple

[00:39:22] Emily: gay. Purple

[00:39:24] Ryan: girl. You’re a big prince fan, right? Emily? Yeah. Yeah. No other side. Yeah. Well my principal

[00:39:34] Emily: boys. Yeah. I think it was last week when Andrew interrupted me when I was listening to purple rain and he joined the call and I’m just like emotional did.

[00:39:50] Yeah. Guitar solos can make a grown man cry

[00:39:55] Ryan: that that’s uh, that’s one of the better ones. That is a good seller. Yeah. Um, yeah. He’s. So

[00:40:05] Andrew: bringing it back to

[00:40:06] Emily: origin. Are we, oh, are we going back to origin? We

[00:40:10] Andrew: started getting into it, like just drifted.

[00:40:14] Emily: Oh yes. There was an Alma douche.

[00:40:17] Andrew: Um,

[00:40:19] Emily: do you wanna, do you wanna recap, like what it seems happened?

[00:40:23] Andrew: Recap would probably be helpful, uh, origin battles. We all know them for their compressors, and they’ve also done a couple of other things British brand and, uh, yeah, they, they got that 1176 clone. They’ve done it. A couple of different variations, including the compact version that, uh, seems to be super popular in the praise and worship circles in particular

[00:40:46] Ryan: because it’s expensive.

[00:40:48] Andrew: Yeah, and oh, I can hear the difference. Oh wait. Oh, sorry. It was off. Hold on a second.

[00:40:55] Ryan: That was the holy spirit.

[00:40:58] Andrew: Uh,

[00:41:02] no, no, no. It, it just hits close to home. I don’t disagree. I, I know people that would fall into that category. I’m like, guys, you’re embarrassing me. Jesus is of the quarter, like, uh, so super popular. There it is objective. It does sound great. And they’ve done a couple of other things. They’ve got their magma trim,

[00:41:25] Ryan: 57.

[00:41:25] I did that for premier guitar and

[00:41:29] Andrew: the, uh, the, the pedal that’s in question is their revival. Uh, the use of the term revival, the revival drive is just this. That’s the massive two-stage $500 distortion battle.

[00:41:42] Ryan: Yeah, that’s

[00:41:43] Andrew: expensive. I played it at Nam 20 S a winter name 2020 on the floor. I’m like, oh, this sounds good.

[00:41:49] And then I changed a couple of settings. I couldn’t get it to sound good again. Uh, because there’s just so many nods. I’m like, why I’m, so this is terrible, but I’m just used to three knob overdrive pedals that I know like, okay, volume gain tone. I know how to get this dialed in super fast. And it works.

[00:42:06] And this thing, just this behemoth, the lawsuit, the lawsuit lawsuit, the lawsuit is origin effects started using the term revival,

[00:42:16] Emily: knowing as part

[00:42:19] Andrew: of their revival drive part of their branding, kind of really leaning into it. They knew at the time that it was the term revival was part of a trademark by smaller brand called revival, electric, electric revival, electric.

[00:42:35] And honestly, I haven’t heard of them before this week. Uh, but they are a small brand and they did, uh, they did have the trademark on the name revival. And so origin pushed if they’re way ahead, from what we can gather and tried to get there, try to reach some sort of an agreement with a small company to sounds like there is options on the table for, um, maybe sell, I giving the name up and settling on it, reaching a settlement.

[00:43:05] Uh, it sounds re origin is now clear. I think they

[00:43:09] Emily: would only, they would only give it up to the United States or like regionally or something

[00:43:12] Andrew: like that. Yeah. Yeah. Trying to reach a settlement. They’re trying to sort out what that could look like. And I don’t think revival is very happy. And so they decided to take the social media, uh, which honestly it in an environment where those who have money are favored, because let’s be honest.

[00:43:31] If you’ve got money, it’s so much easier to defend and, or just be aggressive in the legal sphere with trademark and patent. Uh, so small company, you can use social media to be the grand equalizer there, especially in a small industry like this. And so as far as we can tell, it looks like that was just the next best thing for revival that they thought they could get a leg up in this situation.

[00:43:53] And so they posted something, it went super viral across the guitar community. People were saying, I’m going to get rid of my origin effects is just full on like game over. We’re done with

[00:44:03] Emily: origin, other builders, like other decently sized builders, calling them out too. Which, which I, that honestly is a little bit more surprising

[00:44:12] Andrew: to you.

[00:44:12] I saw Matthew’s effects. I re posted it and said, guys, this is, this, this shouldn’t be happening in the industry. This is absurd. I forget exactly how I rephrased it. But yeah, like there’s some pretty harsh, yeah. Words are not minced over a couple of days. And origin responded by posting a picture of one of their guys holding a pedal that said revival on it.

[00:44:33] And. Let it sit for a couple of days. And then they posted a full, you know, the, the whole 10 panel, uh, explanation of their side of things and cleared up a little bit. And it sounds like maybe revival was interested in being receiving some compensation because origin effects used their trademark essentially to make money.

[00:44:56] They capitalize that. And

[00:44:59] Emily: revival wants a slice of that. It’s within their rights to ask for that thing, especially if you didn’t get permission first, you have a lot more, um, uh, weight to push into it. It’s kind of like how it reminds me of when the verb put out that song, that bittersweet symphony and they had just lifted parts from a rolling stone song.

[00:45:22] And the rolling stones could have asked for, um, a part of the writing. They could have asked for all the copies to be destroyed. They could have asked for a lot. Um, and actually they could have asked for all of the copywriting, all, all the copyright, uh, because they didn’t get asked first and they did ask for all of the songwriting royalties and they got it.

[00:45:46] Yeah. Because then that’s what happens when you don’t like clear, clear things up first. Right. And that’s why a lot of artists, like when you think about one of the songs on Beyonce is lemonade. Hold up. Has, um, writing credits from, uh, oh gosh, I’m blanking on the name of the singer from vampire weekend and Karen.

[00:46:06] Oh. Even though none of them were in the room with Beyonce when they wrote, when she wrote, uh, hold up because she says, hold up, they don’t love you. Like, I love you, Kara. Very similar to Karen knows maps. Wait, they don’t love you. Like, I love you. And, uh, the guy from vampire weekends, as I said, as rough, he tweeted something about it.

[00:46:29] Uh, he tweeted something that was just similar enough to one of the lyrics and they just gave him a writing credit. They did that preemptively, probably a very small percentage. I could look it up if I’ve cared. Um, yeah, that that’s like the safer thing to do is to clear it first. Um, my guess is origin Saul that Revival’s website wasn’t live whenever they looked and thought that they wouldn’t have a problem, uh, declaring it a dead trademark or abandoned.

[00:46:59] That’s my

[00:46:59] Ryan: guess. Did it say that the website wasn’t live or that they didn’t have product for sale in their stores? It was.

[00:47:07] Emily: I wasn’t sure either.

[00:47:09] Ryan: Yeah. I wasn’t sure if it wasn’t live or wasn’t as active as they would like to see, you know, I mean, you know, you know that thing where like, uh, you, you form a new band and you look, you looking for names and like, you’ll get it.

[00:47:23] You know, somebody’s got to come up with a name and then you’ll, you know, go Google it and then you’ll see if they have any gigs. And if they, if they haven’t had any gigs in a long time, you’ll be like, yeah, we can take this tape. Yeah. I feel like that was kind of, uh, how origin expressed what they did.

[00:47:42] They were like, sure. They’re not selling anything.

[00:47:44] Andrew: And there there’s some complex legal definitions that come along with that. And that lawyers we’re not lawyers. So I don’t doubt that there is some degree of like, they’re just playing within the rules of engagement. I don’t, I don’t think in a legal sense.

[00:48:01] No, one’s technically done anything wrong aside from them. Just going ahead with the trademark without clearing it. So I don’t know. The other thing. The first time I read the response from origin. Like I, like, I was like, okay, that makes sense. Like, this feels better than I read it again. I’m like, wait a minute, hold up.

[00:48:19] Because like, oh, well we’re just a small company of 11 employees, which for by standard corporate standards, that’s not a lot of people, but in the pedal world,

[00:48:27] Ryan: that means that’s a, that’s a big company. That’s a big

[00:48:29] Andrew: company. I mean, that’s, that’s some real small loan of a million dollars kind of

[00:48:33] Ryan: energy, you know, like, you know, walrus would be, you know, 11 to 15 people.

[00:48:41] Well, it’s

[00:48:41] Emily: an old blood noise, like close to that too.

[00:48:45] Ryan: Probably. Yeah. Um, you know, yeah, yeah. In the, in the pedal where aisle 11 people is, is not anything to shake a stick at, you know, it’s small and the pedal world is when you stop one person in their garage, small

[00:49:00] Emily: as small as Ru

[00:49:01] Ryan: tech. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

[00:49:03] Andrew: 11 people means you’re bankrolling half a million or more in salary every year.

[00:49:08] Realistically that’s.

[00:49:12] Ryan: Yeah. And, you know, I mean, one of the, one of the impressions that I had heard was that origin from the beginning, w w you know, when they, when they came out, they were kind of like, we’re gonna act and carry ourselves like a big ass brand. And, um, and you know, maybe to that same token, they, um, you know, they looked to someone like Gibson and went, you know, what is Gibson, a big ass brand?

[00:49:43] Like, how do they carry themselves? And, you know, um, and, and maybe just carried that kind of machismo into, um, into all of these things where like, we’re just going to trample on anybody who comes any, you know, in our way. And. Little, did they know a little dude from revive electric, uh, figured out how to use the court of public opinion?

[00:50:10] Um, pretty effectively. Yep.

[00:50:13] Emily: Yeah. I think the sheer amount of time before they responded, isn’t really in their favor.

[00:50:21] Ryan: Yeah, that’s true. Um, but if

[00:50:24] Emily: we did it, they didn’t expect it, but like we know that the guy from revival was already talking to people about what was happening privately one-on-one like, and then he just went public with them.

[00:50:38] So my guess is I would assume he had some support from other people before he posted that, like that he kind of figured what would happen,

[00:50:46] Ryan: but I think this was the best case scenario for

[00:50:49] Andrew: him. Satellite was commenting on his post as well. Um, and given satellites history with Gibson, they’re intimately familiar with what this process looks like and what the options.

[00:51:00] Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. Um, and you know, so will it hurt origin in the long run? Yes and no. Uh, you know, three months from now, will anybody remember that this was even a thing doubtful? Um, I mean, can still sell pedals that’s, you know, like if you get permission, do you need, um, but will I believe that, uh, will it hurt them in terms of, uh, finding the next wave of customers?

[00:51:41] I, I think so. I think when it comes to, to younger customers and things like that, which they are going to need, if they want to have a long term, you know, like, I think they’ll still hold onto them. 45 year old, you know, software developers and lawyers and dentists and things like that. Um, but I, you know, I, I think they did.

[00:52:01] I think it hurt them for, uh, getting future younger players. Um, yeah.

[00:52:06] Emily: Cause I mean, and you can say, oh, younger players, aren’t spending $500 on drives. I’m like, yeah.

[00:52:13] Ryan: I mean,

[00:52:15] Emily: they’re both thousand dollars on gin losses like that to make their sounds poor. Low five.

[00:52:21] Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. Just the fact that yeah, like no blues lawyers buying a chase bliss pedals that is all being.

[00:52:29] But that’s that’s allowance money. Like get that to that runs that company.

[00:52:37] Emily: Sorry, that, that hurt me. That got me in a

[00:52:40] Ryan: weird way. That’s that’s my that’s money. That that’s money that mom and dad sent to, uh, use that the cafeteria money.

[00:52:49] Emily: That’s

[00:52:49] Andrew: like, I, I,

[00:52:54] Emily: I think when I was in college, it was technically like $10 to go through the cafeteria. And I’m not kidding. Like if you didn’t, if you didn’t have as part of your meal plan, I think it was like 10 bucks a meal. It was stupid. I think breakfast was cheaper. I dreamed about my college last night. Oh God. That was awful

[00:53:15] Andrew: deep breaths.

[00:53:15] It’s going to

[00:53:16] Emily: be okay. Yeah. So this was the first college dream I’ve ever had where the premise wasn’t that I forgot. I had studied like taking a class and then it was finals and I hadn’t studied at all.

[00:53:29] Ryan: That was, that was my reality

[00:53:35] Emily: ones. Forget you took a, you signed up for a class or something?

[00:53:38] Ryan: No, I, I just tended not to go.

[00:53:41] Yeah, well,

[00:53:42] Emily: no, I forgot my dream. I forgot that I had like signed up for calculus. Yeah.

[00:53:50] Ryan: I mean, I went to music school too. So I did the thing where I’m like, I can just fake my way through this, but a music school will tend to call BS on that, uh, that attitude Andrew is gone because he’s

[00:54:04] Emily: loved. He’s just like, fuck all y’all.

[00:54:05] Ryan: He was like, I gotta pee.

[00:54:08] Emily: Oh my God. I respect it. I guess.

[00:54:14] I don’t know. That was odd. Um,

[00:54:19] Ryan: should we wait? I don’t, I don’t.

[00:54:22] Emily: Did he chat us?

[00:54:25] Ryan: No, I don’t see anything. Wow. Has he ever done this before?

[00:54:31] Emily: Usually he chats or says, hold on a second. Hold on. Oh my God.

[00:54:42] So yeah, I w I would really love to buy a purple gain pedal if anybody is, if anybody

[00:54:48] Ryan: selling, I think it, yeah, it’s a great name. That’s a great name for a battle.

[00:54:52] Emily: I’m sure it got a little cease and desist after, like, I think it’s thrived when his estate was still like fighting each other. Like nobody had time to Sue Lotus petals, the seasons assessed for a pedal that just even just took the purple rain font.

[00:55:15] Ryan: Oh yeah. Um, yeah, his, his, uh, I mean, I don’t know what it’s like now, but when he was alive, his, his people were fairly litigious. Um, so,

[00:55:30] Emily: uh, like I don’t, I don’t fault people for, um, trying to control their image at all. And most ways, um, and Warner was especially litigious with like his music in ways that I think has a state.

[00:55:46] It couldn’t have possibly just been as a state. Like, um, I, there was actually prince changed music law in relation to YouTube because Warner kept trying to Sue people. And, uh, those people was one of those people counter sued. Um, like she posted a video of her daughter dancing to a print song. Like you could barely hear the song and Warner sued for take down and she successfully argued fair use.

[00:56:16] Ryan: Okay, thanks

[00:56:18] Emily: for, thanks for suing. So the new new rules can get made.

[00:56:22] Ryan: Yeah, well, that’s, that’s uh, that’s how, uh, that’s how things happen now. Like that’s, that’s how, you know, it’s like, it’s like every major thing, every major advance that happens with us socially seems to be fought out in the courts.

[00:56:41] Emily: I mean, that’s always been the case in some, in some respect and I don’t, I don’t, I don’t have a huge problem with it.

[00:56:48] I guess sometimes listen, sometimes you gotta Sue your employer for wage theft. You know what I mean?

[00:56:55] Andrew: Oh, it’s that kind of weekend. Um, yeah, I mean, it’d be really nice, like an idealistic world that we can all just get along and be like, You know, I I’d probably make $5 if I sued you, if that’s fine. Keep it.

[00:57:12] Emily: Yeah. No, I was thinking about, um, I don’t know. It’s probably not, this is probably not the, the place to talk about that, but it’s not. Yeah. Sometimes people gotta get sued. Yep.

[00:57:24] Andrew: Agree.

[00:57:25] Emily: It’s just, sometimes you got to see what person, you know, and sometimes if someone sues you, you got to Sue them back. I feel like usually if they see you, you have to Sue them back them.

[00:57:38] They might watch cruel summer on Hulu. So speaking of suing people, no. Oh man. Great soundtrack. Yeah. I thought it was, I thought it was an interesting, albeit a little bit difficult to follow sometimes with the time shifts, like the, it shifted between three years and multiple times in the same episode, but I thought I was really good.

[00:58:02] Ryan: Um, I I’m not watching anything right now. I just, I finished mayor of Eastwood and then, Ooh, that was good. That was good. It was super good. It was very, uh, um, Kate Winslet is just amazing.

[00:58:18] Emily: Gosh, it’s amazing that she and Leonardo DiCaprio were in Titanic together. Like just two fantastic actors. Yeah. I like her more.

[00:58:31] Andrew: I kind of wish that it, I am kind of bummed the Leo finally got his Oscar because it was just so fun to be like, Hey, but does he have an Oscar for like years? And then he got my, oh, well, this is no longer funny.

[00:58:43] Emily: Okay. I remember someone, someone said some shit about like, oh, Rudy Newman won another Oscar for another song.

[00:58:48] I’m like, actually he just been nominated a shit ton of times and he’s won like thrice.

[00:58:54] Ryan: Yeah. Were they all toy story

[00:58:58] Emily: needed? I got, he did so many movies though. Like he did so many scores for, I think he did field of dreams or something.

[00:59:06] Ryan: I don’t know. All right. I’m not up on my, uh, uh, put my Randy Newman.

[00:59:11] Emily: Yeah. You got to get up on your Randy Newman. Embarrassing.

[00:59:15] Ryan: Um, yeah, no, I mean, I would argue that yeah. Long as long overdue, like Leo should have had it for basketball diaries. Like no doubt, like as, as one, uh, who has experienced, uh, a very unpleasant drug withdrawals, um, watching him in watching him like act out drug withdrawals in that movie.

[00:59:45] Well, a wall

[00:59:45] Emily: street, which movie? Sorry.

[00:59:47] Ryan: Ah, basketball diaries. Oh, okay. Watch it. Watching him actually act out like that. We get what that’s like. Right. Like, as I was, you know, I was probably yellow. I’d probably quit using it. You know, like you I’d been 10 years at that point when I watched that movie and I still, like, my skin was crawling and I was just like, cause he did such a good job and not only like such a good job, you’re acting out that portion of it, but then also acting the way an addict would act in every situation.

[01:00:22] It was, it was pretty, it was pretty impressive. And he was like all of like 17. Yeah.

[01:00:27] Emily: It’s pretty amazing. Like the method of like the intensity of how you acted and especially at a very young age. And then you’re like, that’s the guy from growing pains.

[01:00:38] Ryan: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. One of them is one of, yeah. Is this the other one?

[01:00:46] Like a total, like the duty is like the star of that. Wasn’t he like a big,

[01:00:50] Emily: he was the boy and, and now he’s. Uh, Christian, uh, Randy Newman had the dubious distinction of receiving the most Oscar nominations, 15 without a single win. Wow. That’s a lot, it’s mostly Pixar things, but, um, also like rag time, uh, the movie cold Turkey, bunch of lost in space.

[01:01:19] I’ve heard of that

[01:01:19] Ryan: one. Original.

[01:01:24] Emily: I doubt it. I don’t think it’s that old. I saw him once in Louisville. I’m sorry, Lexington. He said last, last, the last time he had played that venue in Lexington, there was a bat just flying around during his show. Just like

[01:01:42] just a bat.

[01:01:44] Ryan: He’s what, he’s one that I feel like he’s on my list of. Kind of under the radar, but legendary under the radar people that I need to, to get into, like Warren’s avant is another one that, you know, like yeah. Like people talk about Warren. Yeah. I’ve never

[01:02:04] Emily: heard him call horns Davon before really?

[01:02:07] Is it not Warren Ziva?

[01:02:09] Ryan: I’ve heard it’s Ivana, Minnesota Warrensville.

[01:02:15] Emily: No. You know, they say, see if they think they say things differently.

[01:02:18] Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. Um, you know, he’s, he’s another one that, you know, it’s like, you know, the werewolves of London, but like anybody else is like, that’s his worst song, you know?

[01:02:29] And you’re like, oh, and I, uh,

[01:02:32] Emily: so I knew Carmelita a bunch of

[01:02:33] Ryan: times and yeah. So I need to, I need, I need to, uh, get in on my Warren Zevon as well.

[01:02:41] Emily: Yeah. I really only knew Randy Newman from kids stuff. And then when I heard his more like adult stuff, I was like, Jesus, this is good. Like he knows how to just rip your heart out through your throat.

[01:02:53] Ryan: Wow.

[01:02:55] Andrew: That’s graphic.

[01:02:58] Ryan: Sure.

[01:03:01] Andrew: Oddly specific

[01:03:04] Emily: I’ve you’ve never heard that phrase before.

[01:03:08] Andrew: I don’t think quite like that. No,

[01:03:13] Emily: I used to. You used to always imagine it like it’s, um, that, that bad Indiana Jones movie, temple of doom reaching through your chest. Great.

[01:03:26] Andrew: Yeah. I can’t say a casting Shiloh buff was the best, uh, best choice.

[01:03:30] There

[01:03:32] Emily: was no.

[01:03:34] Ryan: Oh, wait.

[01:03:35] Andrew: No, I’m getting my. Okay, I’m getting mixed up. Now.

[01:03:38] Emily: Temple of doom was the second one. It’s actually the reason PG 13 exists because they couldn’t really just give it a PG rating. Cause it was pretty graphic and they couldn’t read it number. They couldn’t give it an R rating because it was like, not that graph.

[01:03:56] Ryan: You’re telling me that that rating was created for tour that

[01:04:00] Emily: movie. That’s what I read. Wow. I didn’t know. You’re thinking of the one with the aliens, crystal

[01:04:09] Ryan: skull.

[01:04:11] Emily: It’s lost Ark, temple of doom. Last crusade,

[01:04:15] Ryan: crusade,

[01:04:17] Emily: crystal skull.

[01:04:19] Andrew: There was one of the original trilogy that my dad didn’t ever want us to watch because he thought it was terrible.

[01:04:25] I think that was temple of doom. I don’t think I’ve seen it cause we all watched Raiders of the lost Ark

[01:04:33] Emily: and.

[01:04:36] I think if you’ll get through today’s lens, it feels pretty racist.

[01:04:40] Ryan: A temple of doom. Yeah. Oh yeah. Super big time. Um, just kind of their, their token Asian character kid in that movie was super fun, you know? Like, um, I, it’s funny, you know, so we have, um, it’s funny how much stuff there is, uh, out there just like that.

[01:05:04] Eh, we have Disney plus and, um, yeah, we watch a lot of, uh, you know, we watch a lot of new stuff with my kid, but then, you know, like every once in a while I’ll be like, Hey, should we watch something that dad needs to watch? And he was a kid and Disney plus now puts warnings on things that are going to be insensitive or that were insensitive.

[01:05:26] And they just want to warn you ahead of time and boy, everything that I want to go watch from, like my childhood has that on it. Uh, Uh, Peter pan boy go Peter pan wholly it’s.

[01:05:41] Emily: Okay. I think I’m

[01:05:42] Ryan: fine. I’m good. Uh, yeah, like, like just rampant racism in Peter pan. Um, and it, yeah. It’s, it’s kinda yeah. Hook wasn’t racist.

[01:05:58] Emily: I don’t think

[01:05:58] Ryan: so. No, no, thanks Robin Williams. Okay. Desktop. It probably wouldn’t be

[01:06:05] Emily: racist. I’m actually, now I’m trying to think back. I’m sure there will be examples I cannot is. I’m gonna have to dig for them.

[01:06:17] Ryan: Um, yeah, no, it’s it’s um, it’s interesting. Isn’t it? I mean, it’s, you know, I know. So I’ve had to learn.

[01:06:28] And I’ll, I’ll be, I’ll be tall. I I’m, I’m fine to be totally upfront and honest about this, but, um, I’m still, like, I still will say my, my wife is Korean and sometimes I will say things that I just don’t, you know, I’m not even thinking about. And, you know, um, and thankfully we have a good enough relationship that she can do this, but my wife will go, let me tell you.

[01:06:59] Yeah, my, my, my, my wife will go, let me tell you how that feels on this end. And I’ll be like, oh man. Wow. You know, and it is, it’s funny because I have, you know, um, I, you know, I’m younger and I considered myself to be, you know, kind of part of the generation that is more inclusive than exclusive and yeah.

[01:07:25] To a certain extent, wanted to kind of put myself above the fray on that stuff. But, um, yeah. You know, I mean, she, there’s still stuff, you know, and I would say, you know, I’m, I’m definitely better than some, but you know, like as,

[01:07:45] as

[01:07:45] Emily: well, but that you’re working on, it makes you better than

[01:07:47] Ryan: most. Okay. Yeah. Um, but she does, you know, every, every once in a while, you know, she’ll, she’ll call me out and she’ll be like, that is the most white male thing that you could have said.

[01:07:58] And she’s like, do you believe that? And you know, like when I looked back on it, I’m like, man, you know what, I, I do have to check myself on, on that. Um, and it’s, it’s, you know, and Disney has happened to do the same. Sure.

[01:08:13] Emily: Yeah. I remember when sometimes, and then sometimes they edit out. The butt and a splash.

[01:08:20] She runs into the water or they like, they like made her hair longer when she ran into the water. So you wouldn’t see her bottom? Oh no. Oh no. It’s imaging edge webcam.

[01:08:34] Ryan: Uh, did I run out of batteries in my camera? I bet you, I did. I bet you dad,

[01:08:38] Emily: that might be a good place to stop it.

[01:08:43] Ryan: Yeah. What have we even started yet?

[01:08:48] Emily: Well, tell, tell people where they can find you real quick and like what you got coming up and tell them to watch rat week. I’m so mad that you didn’t do my, I wish you had done the pizza rat. I uh, so I,

[01:09:02] Ryan: yeah, I know. He’s like, yeah, I know. Hi, uh, I should have,

[01:09:12] Emily: for those who don’t know, Ryan did a rat week and I did one of the interests for rat week and I sent him a couple, couple options, and one of them was hello, internet friends.

[01:09:25] I’m Emily. Welcome to rat week on demos in the dark. What’s your favorite rat? Mine’s pizza.

[01:09:31] Ryan: Yeah. There’s it was, it was, it was, it was good. It was good. It was good. And I went with the lesser, I just didn’t want you to upstage me. Emily

[01:09:41] Emily: is wood. That’s fine. I mean, I’m used to, I’m used to white men making sure I don’t upstage them.

[01:09:50] Ryan: Um, no, I, I honestly, I, uh, I hear playing upstages me. Yeah. I thought the other for, for whatever, my sense of humor is, I thought the other one was.

[01:10:02] Emily: Um, oh, that you stole my idea. Can we just do one fucking ideas? That was pretty funny.

[01:10:10] Ryan: Um, I also really, I, because I have experienced similar things, I, the other part that I thought was really funny was that you kept introducing yourself as, um, uh you’re uh, hi, I’m Emily and this has get offset.

[01:10:26] And they was like, no. And then he’d come back and get you like, Hey, this is Emily, this, you know, this has get offset. Like, to me, like that was like, that

[01:10:35] Emily: was my favorite. Actually. I forgot I did that

[01:10:37] Ryan: one. And that was part of the one that, I mean, that was part of the one that I used. And so I, you know, I was, I, and to me that was like, that was a very real thing that happens in a very human thing that happens.

[01:10:48] And so that was what I, I liked, but he didn’t

[01:10:52] Emily: see it. I just, I fuck up my interest more than any part of the

[01:10:56] Ryan: video. Yeah. So yeah, if we could have combined. Hi, I’m Emily and this is good offset and pizza rat. It would have been too good for any, like, it would been like the world would have imploded.

[01:11:10] Emily: We should just do the releases are real on an issue.

[01:11:15] Ryan: Pizza rat I’ve been thinking about, I’ve been thinking about really seeing the blues pedal thing that I did, that I spent more time making fun of the pedal than, uh, than actually demoing it. Um, that was actually like, it was like 20 minutes long and then edited down to five. Um, and there is, I’ve been thinking about releasing pieces of it on real.

[01:11:39] Emily: You mean like a director’s cut?

[01:11:43] Ryan: Yes.

[01:11:45] Emily: You should release the director’s cut.

[01:11:50] Ryan: I think that’s, uh, I think that’s trademark.

[01:11:57] Andrew: Maybe you should check first and then just, if it is just go ahead and do it

[01:12:01] Ryan: anyways. Check with I’ll check with him. Just do it, right. Hey, look at that Coronado. Yeah.

[01:12:10] Emily: Yeah. I don’t know why I picked this up.

[01:12:13] Andrew: Brian is your background real

[01:12:17] Emily: is yours.

[01:12:18] Andrew: Mine is. Yeah. I’m just looking, I’ve been staring at your background.

[01:12:25] Emily: Oh yeah. So people can’t see all of Ryan’s background because I’ll crop it out. Yeah. It actually looks really nice. I love the wood paneling on the lower half of the wall and then the guitar that seems very

[01:12:37] Ryan: well-organized it’s on the it’s on the ceiling as well. Um, Yeah, no, it’s, it’s a, it’s a good, we, when we, uh, when we grabbed this place, we saw an opportunity to build a studio down here and there reverb is a very natural and greats it’s pine.

[01:13:00] So that’s the Vaughn river.

[01:13:04] Emily: I just want someone to release a digital pine river.

[01:13:08] Ryan: Okay, cool. Cool. Yeah, no, it’s a, it’s a good place. It’s a good place to be.

[01:13:13] Emily: Yeah. So where can people find you on the internet?

[01:13:16] Ryan: Uh, you find me on the internet on YouTube. And if you look for demos in the dark on YouTube, I will be there.

[01:13:23] I also have an Instagram account that I don’t care about, but it’s there. Um, that’s uh,

[01:13:33] Emily: you just got 10,000 people though. So you got to care a little

[01:13:36] Ryan: bit. I do. Yeah. That was my life. Didn’t change much after that.

[01:13:42] Emily: No, you don’t. You’re not getting, um, a lot more messages for, to like show off or sell like leggings and shit.

[01:13:51] Uh,

[01:13:51] Ryan: no, you know, I got more of those when I was just starting out. Um, I don’t get, I don’t get a lot of those anymore.

[01:13:59] Emily: And your Minnesota really came up there. Oh my God. You’re like, oh no, I, I got more of those when I

[01:14:07] Ryan: was starting out. Oh man. I wasn’t even talking about boats.

[01:14:13] Emily: Boot

[01:14:14] Ryan: boots. Yeah. I, you know, so I lived in, I lived in Brooklyn for a while and then people in Brooklyn would point out when my Minnesota accent came out. But, um, what’s funny is, you know, having been back in Minnesota now for a long time, um, I guess when I raise my voice, like if I’m like ordering a sandwich over.

[01:14:37] Yeah. Like, I guess for yelling at my kid, um, I guess at that point, like my, my wife claims that I get like, Hey, you only parking a car here.

[01:14:54] amazing. Yeah. She says, she says, anytime I raised my voice, it’s like having a, having a new Yorker yell at her.

[01:15:03] Emily: My, my mid west comes out when I’m trying to like, seem sweet and approachable. Yeah. Like, oh yeah. You know, it’s okay.

[01:15:13] Ryan: Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah. It’s,

[01:15:15] Emily: don’t, don’t worry about it.

[01:15:19] Ryan: Well, that was like the, he put like the Midwest coffee shop server.

[01:15:24] Yeah. Hey hon.

[01:15:26] Emily: Hey Han, you need a refill over there. You need a refill on your wall. No. All right. Well, just give me, give me a holler. If you change your mind and that’d be don’t you go ride your tricycle down the stairs. Don’t you know, it’s not bad. It’s a little cartoonish.

[01:15:45] Ryan: It’s nice. It’s it’s so, you know, like, depending on where you go in Minnesota, it’s, that’s not even embellished.

[01:15:52] Emily: Nah, a little farther out.

[01:15:55] Ryan: You get, you can go. I mean, every, every state has a north. Right. And, uh, we do here as well. Yeah. Oh yeah, sure.

[01:16:07] Andrew: I’ve been in Wisconsin for a few years and he started to pick up on it.

[01:16:11] Ryan: Yeah. Oh boy.

[01:16:13] Emily: Uber, Uber, Uber in Seattle to those. Yeah.

[01:16:20] Ryan: Yeah. My assistant at work is, is, you know, died in the wool Minnesota and she writes, oh.

[01:16:29] Emily: Oh, I write I type out. Oh, she

[01:16:31] Ryan: does. She’ll type out. Oop.

[01:16:34] Emily: Oh, let me just sneak pasture there.

[01:16:39] No, it’s that guys out by just going to ask sneak pasture there. Uh, get a second. Uh, helping the hot dish. What do you like in your hot dish? That’s the last thing when I ask and then we’re going to

[01:16:51] Ryan: bounce. So my wife makes my wife likes a vegan terriers, had a hot dish and it is to die for nice. Other than that, I don’t have, I don’t have a lot of, uh, any other way experience with our dish.

[01:17:07] I don’t have a lot of experience with kind of the traditional Minnesota and stuff. I’ve never had a Lita Fisk. You,

[01:17:13] Emily: have you ever had a Pronto

[01:17:14] Ryan: pub? I’ve had Pronto pups of course, every year, every year coming up here very soon.

[01:17:22] Emily: I liked them better than corn dogs.

[01:17:25] Ryan: What’s the deal.

[01:17:26] Emily: Uh, Pronto pumps, pumps.

[01:17:28] Aren’t corn dogs, or it’s not a corn meal as a week. Next

[01:17:31] Ryan: year. There we go. Martha’s cookies are, are absolutely, uh, dangerous.

[01:17:42] Emily: I loved walking around the fair and just seeing them melted into the summit as just trampled. Like, does that come off? Like she’s there forever. Like I like, it looked like you couldn’t get it off with a power washer.

[01:17:56] I’m going to be honest,

[01:17:57] Ryan: right? Yeah. No, it’s, uh, it’s funny. I, when he’s done with this, like I’m going to keep going, so I probably shouldn’t.

[01:18:07] Emily: Well, uh, thank you for watching. Thanks for understanding, please like comment, subscribe below. Check us out on patrion.com/get offset. Check out our merchant. Get also at podcast.com/shop rate review on iTunes, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[01:18:20] Well, thanks for watching. Thanks for understanding. Until next time. My name is Emily

[01:18:28] Andrew: and my name is

[01:18:29] Emily: Andrew and that’s Ryan. Yep. Goodbye. Bye.