Get Offset Episode 148: Can We Really Blame Fred Durst?

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[00:00:00] Andrew: welcome to the get offset podcast. My name is

[00:00:18] Emily: Andrew and my name is Emily and we are coming at you from the smoke-filled hot as hell. Uh, Pacific.

[00:00:31] Andrew: It was really fun. Like as a kid, like watching movies about climate disaster, it’s like, oh yeah, that looks like the visual effects are insane. And like now just like, I’m just on the other side of the camera, because the camera is my phone. Yeah. That’s kind of depressing.

[00:00:45] Emily: No. Yeah. And we were just coincidentally drinking.

[00:00:48] Like I, I made this cold brew overnight. What are you drinking? Um,

[00:00:52] Andrew: I’m drinking a protein cold brew that I bought from the

[00:00:55] Emily: store. Yeah. W we just sit down and we’re coincidentally drinking them both out of Mason jars.

[00:01:02] Andrew: Yup. My Mason jar is quite large. I think this is a leader.

[00:01:07] Emily: Is it just a 16 answer?

[00:01:10] Andrew: What’s the says it’s three and a half cups, but it’s the size that’s double.

[00:01:17] Actually, I don’t know. I just assumed it was a leader. It looks like eyeballing it, that it could be, you knows.

[00:01:23] Emily: I don’t. I thought those were usually done announces, but I don’t, I don’t, I don’t,

[00:01:29] Andrew: I lost track of metric and Imperial and a certain point. I stare at it and say, yeah, that should wake

[00:01:34] Emily: me up. I got these for, for meal prep.

[00:01:37] Uh, I I’ve done like prepped, um, MERITO bowls in these and you fit everything except for the lettuce and them, but I was supposed to for the lettuce that I’m too. And so I did like rice chicken, like toppings cheese, and it was I’m like, Hey, no, let us fitting in the youth. Sure.

[00:01:59] Andrew: Fair enough. Fair enough. I’ve also doing food prep

[00:02:01] Emily: lately.

[00:02:03] I really enjoy the food prep. I’d rather just like have one, one pot, one skillet wonder kind of meals, right? Yeah. Not my, like, I’d rather not spend like two hours even on a Sunday prepping a bunch of stuff, but like, I, I get the appeal.

[00:02:24] Andrew: Yeah. I mean, so I’ve been trying to, you know, eat quote unquote, clean, whatever that means.

[00:02:31] Um, it’s been working, it has been working. Um, but like if I don’t bring lunch to work, that means I end up eating it like the cafeteria or whatever, which means like burger and fries.

[00:02:43] Emily: Yeah.

[00:02:45] Andrew: And that’s not nearly as good as like, if I brought in what I’ve been bringing in. Uh, so I, like, I got a keenwah salad from Costco.

[00:02:54] Cause it was on sale last weekend. It was like $8 for like a big old chemo salad with like a black tomato cucumber. It was actually really good. Yeah. And then I’ve just been bringing a bag of Suvi chicken because I’ve started turning into that.

[00:03:09] Emily: Yeah, chicken, breast protein. All right.

[00:03:16] Andrew: Yeah. So it’s paying off.

[00:03:18] I just weighed in yesterday at the first time at under 200 pounds in like, I don’t have an exact period of time, but it’s been year and a half, maybe two years. Since last time I weigh that.

[00:03:32] Emily: Well, congratulations. Yeah. Hard work pan off. I know you’ve been waking up early and going to the gym and stuff too, but six

[00:03:38] Andrew: o’clock ish every morning,

[00:03:43] Emily: a

[00:03:43] Andrew: lot of work, which makes Saturdays my sleeping days. I’m sorry. I’m still waking

[00:03:47] Emily: up. Yeah. Well, you know, it’s not two or it’s, you know, thank you for waking up. I appreciate it. I slept in a little bit today as well. My knee is starting to heal. I think I’m going to start doing some, uh, shadow boxing next week.

[00:04:03] Nothing hard, not actually hitting, not actually hitting the bag. I tore my meniscus cartilage and minus meniscal cartilage in my knee. Uh, so, um, that was about six weeks ago. So then we’re gonna do some slow, uh, shadow boxing next week. Um, maybe a little four, four rounders, uh, See how that goes and yeah, exactly, exactly.

[00:04:33] I afraid of no ghosts. Uh, Yeah. And, uh, so maybe just no weights and for size and little two pound or weights that I can, uh, shadow box with maybe the next week. Uh, and then

[00:04:49] Andrew: just to simulate like that fifth round arms are heavy.

[00:04:54] Emily: Uh mom’s spaghetti.

[00:04:57] Andrew: No, but that, that works

[00:04:59] Emily: too. All right. Uh, you know, just kind of building up cause that’s, you know, boxing is my, my workout choices, basically, you know, high intensity interval training because you’re, you’re on for three minutes, you take a break for one.

[00:05:13] So if you really go, go heavy, heavy at it because they do have that, that, those interval training classes that you can take on, on the apps that I use. Well, yeah.

[00:05:24] Andrew: Yeah. I just kinda assumed boxing was hit training.

[00:05:26] Emily: Uh, ha. Well, that’s what they always say was joke that is see original head. Hit workouts. They always, they always do jokes that, so, uh, and they made it in both.

[00:05:36] It’s, it’s a pun, but it’s also true. Uh, it’s always fun when, when that works out that way. So it’s cool. I, you know, I’ve, I’ve not gotten back to my normal jam, honestly. I am not sure. I will. It’s just so convenient to have it, um, in my garage and, uh, you know, It’s it’s nice to be able to, especially the app stuff.

[00:05:58] I do the app stuff more at home than I ever did at my actual jam, just because I can, uh, adjust it my own way. And, uh, yeah. So, you know, that’s cool. That’s cool. So, um, what’s new with you. Did any, any new fun things other than, uh, the hitting, hitting, hitting that, that goal?

[00:06:22] Andrew: Not honestly, no, I, I worked, um, part of the weekend last weekend for my day job. And so I’ve been, I had like a one day weekend and kind of just have blown through the rest of this week. So now I’m waking up on my actual weekend for the first time, like in two weeks and kind of catching it, but hitting that was hugely.

[00:06:40] Do you want to clarify it wasn’t a goal actually.

[00:06:43] Emily: Oh, that wasn’t nickel, but it was, you know, um,

[00:06:45] Andrew: like it’s nice. Uh, I don’t have any

[00:06:49] Emily: goal, but like, um, what’s, what’s the word

[00:06:52] Andrew: milestone you got it, but it is an indicative milestone that the work that I’m putting in is doing good things. Um, I don’t have like a particular target weight that I’m trying to get to or anything, but just motivated to get healthy.

[00:07:07] Part of that’s going to naturally involve just getting some weight off of my joints. My knees feel old.

[00:07:15] Emily: Yeah. Yeah. Um, knee pain is, um, no joke. The only thing worse than knee pain is hip pain. Um, yeah. Uh, but

[00:07:29] Andrew: then you just go to hip training for that.

[00:07:35] Okay. It was a really bad button, um, as opposed to hit training.

[00:07:43] Emily: Oh, okay.

[00:07:44] Andrew: Yeah. It like really? Wasn’t good. Um, no, so I, outside of that, now I’ve got a couple of other, uh, what w why do I want to say eggs in a basket? I’ve got a couple of other eggs in a different basket. I don’t know what I’m trying to say.

[00:08:00] I’ve got other things cooking. There’s other random arbitrary food items that are cooking. So possibly a giveaway with Fox Cairo coming up soon. Um, Kind of working out, uh, something with another platform to partner with on that. So, yeah, but it’s not final until it’s final. So I’ll talk about that closer when we got it, but definitely in an, in between, in between launches phase right now.

[00:08:25] Emily: Nice, nice. Yeah. What’s new with you. Well, you know, I’m just staying positive testing negative. Uh, yeah, I think last time we talked, I had talked about my COVID tests. I tested negative, so I wasn’t negative, but I guess it’s my parent role series cab Renita baritone. It looks so sick. Yeah, it is though. I did notice until after some people commented that there.

[00:08:59] Oh, the switch is really cheap. I’ve not had any problems with the switch. Um, just to clarify, a couple of people commented that their switch felt really cheap. This is the one I have not had any problems with. Uh, they said there’s wants to go to the middle position. I’ve really, really put a, like really tried to see if it would, I would have problems with it.

[00:09:23] I have not. They said the Jack and they’re like, oh, the jacket. I’m like, yeah, mine’s not really a flush and it does, it will tug out a little. So I did buy an electro socket to replace, to replace this kind of half-assed electro saga. But like when you’re buying a Squire, I think you can kind of expect that the hardware is not going to be like.

[00:09:47] You

[00:09:49] Andrew: made

[00:09:49] Emily: guitar? No, no. And I think that like, like the fact of the fret work is so money on this is what’s most impressive. I think that kind of shielded me from like paying close attention to some of the hardware on it. And the fact that like, there weren’t really any finish, uh, problems with it. Like even around the neck he’ll sometimes I’ll see like just little, little.

[00:10:15] Hairline mistakes and the finish. I don’t really have any of these, any of those with this one? Um, nothing major, at least nothing that really would, I would notice from a distance or anything like that. Like this, I just am very impressed with this one. And this is not one that they sent me. So it’s not like, they’re like, oh, let’s send the influencer something real nice.

[00:10:41] Like I just bought this from Sweetwater, right. Because

[00:10:44] Andrew: you want him to get in on that as quickly as

[00:10:46] Emily: possible. And my sweet water guy is nice, but I don’t think he particularly cares about this channel. So. So I don’t, I don’t think, I don’t think I impressed my Sweetwater person at all, so I don’t think he like lesson let’s send her something really nice.

[00:11:03] I think he’s like, oh yeah, let’s just treat this person like any other customer. So, you know, I’m not getting any special treatment there, like at all. Um, so that’s pretty nice. Uh, like, so I’m just like, I’m generally impressed. I have a tuned B2B right now. Um, I might change, I might change the, the gauge if I.

[00:11:24] Ever started playing with, uh, Sue Quigley again, because when I play with Sue, she, uh, she does a lot of songs and, and C sharp. And I, uh, so, um, I could play like open stuff in C-sharp. Um, I would do that more cause she, she does keep us a lot, um, So she can play

[00:11:51] Andrew: baritone on Cape of five.

[00:11:56] Emily: Talk about like Phoebe Bridgers, like why buy, why buy a baritone and then, and then play a keeper.

[00:12:02] I’m like, so you can play open chords, like G and stuff. And then like, like, so you can play like, uh, uh, see without playing, without putting down the index finger. Because that’s a really nice chord, but if you want to play it up here, it’s really fucking annoying. And then that reach gets really annoying.

[00:12:29] So I hope it’s.

[00:12:35] When I was waiting for some of my COVID results to come back, I want to talk about songwriters really quickly. I like I was, I’m trying to distract myself from my COVID results coming back. So I was like, I was going to like try to learn a guitar song. Cause that’s a great way to distract yourself. I’m listening to this record called cool dry place by, um, open and Katie Kirby who went to Beaumont a couple of years after I graduated.

[00:12:58] Um, and she has a song called. Peppermint. And, and I was like, I really liked the guitar like on that. So I’m going to try to learn it and, uh, it goes. Hmm.

[00:13:17] And, uh, and then I am like, it’s definitely like this cord. No,

[00:13:26] that’s like, what is she doing? I was like, just drinking frustrated. I’m like, it’s like, she’s going.

[00:13:33] I was like, what the hell is she doing? And I pulled up her audio tree session. She’s using a cane. I just assumed she was using a cable there to get that open sound like us so mad at myself. I’m like, oh, thanks. Smarter. Not harder, Emily, you dumb, dumb. But she was like, I was like watching her play. I’m like, oh, she’s really good at guitar.

[00:13:53] Like, so it’s like,

[00:14:03] it’s more like that. But like, I was like, oh yeah, Yeah. I find the KIBO. See, I haven’t learned it.

[00:14:15] So working smarter, not harder than you want to get that up and sound like, why would you borrow their, you don’t have to. Right. So whenever people are like RK, bro, you’re using a Kaypro, bro. It’s so lazy. I’m like, no, it’s not.

[00:14:31] Andrew: And so are they

[00:14:36] Emily: wait, wait, wait. I said drums now. There’s no drums.

[00:14:38] Andrew: There’s no drums this week. The no drum. Um, no, it’s absolutely a tool, although I think it’s, it’s funny. I, I, so

[00:14:50] Emily: I should, I should just start, like, that’d be like if Andy from, uh, You know, I, for one Savan favorite demo where it was like, ah, you’re using guitar pick so lazy.

[00:15:01] Like imagine if Andy just started giving everyone shit crazy guitar picks,

[00:15:06] Andrew: right.

[00:15:07] Emily: Or everyone just, if everyone just started getting shit for, like, someone’s just, I give everybody shit for like monitoring themselves while they were playing. Oh, use me as you use monitors, you should just know, you just know whether you’re playing right or not.

[00:15:24] Can you fucking imagine no. Using a tutor, you should just tune by ear always. Oh, that’s cheating. Cheating.

[00:15:37] Andrew: Go ahead. When I, when I used to play for churches quite a bit, uh, if I was playing rhythm, that cable got bright out all of the time. Um, because, or, sorry, other way around cable, almost never got brought out.

[00:15:52] Cause at a certain point I’m like, I’m just playing chords. I can national number system this out. If we have, cause it’s really normal. Like you show up to Sunday morning and the singer is like, yeah, I’ve got a little bit of a cough. So we’re going to need to bring down the key, like from like a to G cause my voice is kind of like raspy.

[00:16:07] And I’ll just go ahead. Oh yeah, that’s fine. I’ll just hang on to say, all right, let’s go. And like, I can like kind of roll with that. It’s just playing rhythm, but on electric I’m like a lot of those parts will have open, open notes. Right. And they’re like, oh yeah, we’re going to do like, we’re going to drop it, drop it a step I’m like, but I’ve got open notes and standard E.

[00:16:31] so H forget the open notes, uh, um,

[00:16:35] Emily: tuned down now, like, uh, and, and country music. You’ll see, uh, lead players use campus a lot because they rely on open notes so much. And that’s so they’ll use canvas. Yeah, no, I

[00:16:50] Andrew: keep my Libra.

[00:16:54] Emily: Dave Rawlins use cables all the time. I was like, there’s just, there’s so much gate-keeping in guitar.

[00:17:00] That is just so laughable because then you’ll see like the greatest guitarists in the world use these like crutches and you’re like, shut the fuck up. Or like things like, uh, Uh, when you, when people complain about songwriters, uh, rhyming words with themselves, like yeah. Maybe you should avoid. Yeah. You should probably just try to avoid doing that.

[00:17:30] But I think you can also know when it works and I think it’s also kind of a case sometimes, like you should know the rules before you break them. But like, obviously using a keto is not the same because it’s not breaking a rule. It’s just a tool.

[00:17:52] Andrew: Right. And it’s been around for a while and I’m like, why not spray?

[00:17:58] I mean, it’s just, it’s another analogous argument so that you use Auto-Tune

[00:18:04] Emily: well, it was like, I forget. Who was it? Was it you, or was it another friend who, when I was playing the cloud titty guitar? Was like, oh, why is it going to drop D like, why does this, like, obviously this B bender guitar go into drop the, and I was like, oh, so you can play like,

[00:18:25] is that your cat or mine? That was mine.

[00:18:31] That was puppy. Puppy is a good one. Poppy said that probably is not in the room.

[00:18:38] Andrew: I’m going to crack the door real quick and see, she wants to come and say,

[00:18:46] Emily: Bobby.

[00:18:52] I will chomping, chomping ice on Mike.

[00:18:54] Andrew: She vacated the private, she’d like scratch at the door and then walked away. It sounds like I’m about to be terrorized for the next hour

[00:19:04] Emily: here

[00:19:08] for the, um, the smoke came in because the heat was coming. Carrie will just get really uncomfortable and not really know why she’s uncomfortable. And then she gets just so needy and just will yell at me for cuddles and then be like, no, I guess I don’t want these. And then get real mad at me for touching her.

[00:19:32] And I’ll be like, I don’t, it’s just still. I’m so sorry, this is so uncomfortable for you. Um, so after this, like when it starts to get hot, like they, they, they, you see it in the bedroom and that’s definitely where we’re keeping the doors closed. So I want to take my computer up there. I, some, some freelance work to do.

[00:19:49] So I’m just gonna. Bang out some, some work, um, practical, a guitar up there and maybe learn some things. I learned the solo. I actually just learned all the patties, my sore ear. That’s been on my workout playlist for like three years. And every time I hear it, I’m like, I need to learn this song. And then finally I learned it like this week and I’m really proud of myself.

[00:20:19] It’s fine. I just love learning those eighties guitars parts, because it’s like, they sound so big and then they’re just,

[00:20:43] I can’t really do it.

[00:20:47] That’s really fun for everybody. All right.

[00:20:51] Andrew: So this week’s episode of the get offset podcast is brought to

[00:20:54] Emily: you by Caroline guitar company. Do you ever talk about them? Talk about them

[00:21:03] Andrew: guitar company. I recommend it. If you like havoc, then boy, do, do they have products?

[00:21:11] Emily: They have so many havoc switches, and they’re also fun.

[00:21:14] Uh, the Maitay RA is a low five reverb pedal with havoc switch that, uh, creates some really cool feedback. And I really liked being able to have some control and feedback, um, just be able to place it directly where you need it, be it at the end of a song or just someplace for some really cool emphasis. I really liked that the meteorite by Caroline guitar company.

[00:21:40] Andrew sneezing, Andrew, get it out. Get out that smoke, get that smoke out, get it out. So thank you for meeting.

[00:21:50] Andrew: Yup. My sinuses are now like on fire. Good job. Yeah.

[00:21:57] Emily: Yeah. Well, uh, I do want to say before we get into talking about, uh, more guitar stuff, uh, one of my favorite songwriters passed away this week.

[00:22:07] Uh, Nancy Griffith actually passed away, uh, the day before we recorded this, um, one of my favorite songs of hers is across the great divide. I would implore everybody to listen to that song and just cry a little bit. One of my favorite memories of college is a dear friend of mine. Linley, just singing that song.

[00:22:25] So, um, I think it’s, it’s got one of, some of my favorite lyrics ever in a song. Um, one of my favorite opening lyrics in a song. So, uh, yeah.

[00:22:43] Uh, let’s sorry to hear that. Yeah. You know, it kinda came out of nowhere. She was only 68. Um, Lee. I just want to like read some of the lyrics I’ve been walking in. My sleep can troubles instead of counting sheep, where are the years went? I can’t say I just turned around and they’ve gone away. I’ve been sifting through the layers, dusty books and faded papers.

[00:23:07] They tell a story I used to know, and it was one that happened so long ago it’s gone away. And yesterday now I find myself on the mountain side where the river changed direction across the great divide. Now I heard the Allah call-in softly as the night was fallen was a question and I replied, but he’s gone across the borderline.

[00:23:28] He’s gone away. And yesterday, and now I find myself on the mountain side where the river changed direction across the great divide. The finest hour that I’ve seen is the one that comes between the edge of night and the break of day. It’s when the darkness rolls away and it’s gone away. And yesterday, and now I find myself on the mountain side.

[00:23:50] Where the has changed direction across the great divide, Nancy.

[00:24:01] Yeah. There’s one hitch really hard, so great week. Great. Into a great week. Um, yeah, so that sucks

[00:24:13] Andrew: for sure.

[00:24:15] Emily: Yeah. This one is, yeah. This one hits like when John Prine died. Yeah. Um, I saw her at Arlington vineyards, my friend Lindley’s. I went there with my friend Lindley’s family. So, um, that was really a beautiful, beautiful show.

[00:24:38] Um, cool. Uh, so what are we talking about? What are we, what are we talking about? That’s a great

[00:24:47] Andrew: question. There’s a couple things we could talk about. First of all, uh, I’d like to just call out that. I thought it was pretty cool that John Mayer sent Salisa silver sky, a

[00:24:59] Emily: pink one pink one.

[00:25:04] Yeah. If you don’t know who Salisa is, you best get wise.

[00:25:10] Andrew: And if you don’t know who John Mayer is, it’s not that a party.

[00:25:16] Emily: Yeah. Uh, Selise you, you might have seen her you’ve, uh, perform on Saturday night, live with, uh, Lizzo

[00:25:32] and he was playing an SGA she’s, uh, a Gibson artists from Italy.

[00:25:38] Andrew: She is no, she’s a wonderful human and, uh, yeah. And those was really to see that act of kindness floating around the, yeah,

[00:25:46] Emily: totally. I think the smoke is getting to us. Oh,

[00:25:49] Andrew: absolutely. Yeah. I feel like my head’s in the cloud. My, my sinuses are puffed out to dear God.

[00:25:55] Um, yeah,

[00:25:57] Emily: yeah, yeah. So, um, that was cool. You said that was on Instagram.

[00:26:04] Andrew: Yeah.

[00:26:08] On the Instagrams

[00:26:11] Emily: me Instagram. Let’s see, let’s see what the caption says. It’s tight cannot be reached. Fantastic. Ooh, I love this guitar. She says. And middle pick up is particularly around warm yet. Punchy. I didn’t know. They were making more than one of these Roxy pink finish matches my glass.

[00:26:42] Okay. She has unfairly good. It’s unfair.

[00:26:45] Andrew: It really isn’t fair. But also when I say it’s not fair, what I’m really saying is I want to be that good. But with that, having put in the countless hours of practice that she has,

[00:26:55] Emily: when I say unfair, I, I really actually mean unreal. It’s unreal. That’s fine. Well, it’s the, she, she plays with, uh, everybody who she play with that new portfolio.

[00:27:08] Okay.

[00:27:13] Uh, Shaka Khan and Brandi Carlile shared the stage. Wow. Does she play with Brandy Carlisle all the time? Oh, shit.

[00:27:29] Brandy’s from a Seattle. I love Brandy Carlisle. Uh, have you watched a, this is pop on Netflix. Nope. You should watch the country music episode. It’s actually really, really good. Yeah. Some of the episodes are better than others. Also did you watch the, um, do you have HBO max? Nope. Okay. Well, Rick and I watched the Woodstock 99 documentary last night and there was some interesting stuff in there.

[00:28:02] Uh, it was just

[00:28:07] Andrew: watching anyways,

[00:28:08] Emily: the promoters were just a real trashy people in the end. Uh, there was, they were big, uh, rape apologists. It kind of blamed the women for all of the sexual assault and really downplay the amount of sexual assault. Um, they blamed the performance for the violence. Um, they didn’t take any kind of responsibility for.

[00:28:30] Uh, like, listen, they, they pick all of these like really aggressive metal, new metal, hard rock bands. And then we’re kind of acted surprised that the audience of that brought was a lot of kind of angry young white men, and then act surprised at those angry young white men when. Presented with like $4 bottles of water in 1999.

[00:28:59] Listen, that’s expensive in today’s prices for bottles of water, um, overflowing, porta, Johns, bad like heat and, uh, infrastructure didn’t tear shit apart, like, and then are surprised like that the culture of that is resulting in violence. Uh, not taking any personal responsibility for that. Uh, surprising, but it was one of the things that was interesting that they talked about.

[00:29:28] They did, they, they did cover a lot of like the cultural, um, impact of like what was happening at the time, just outside of Woodstock. And they were talking a lot about how MTV and the shift that was happening at that time and how, uh, it was kind of going from, uh, this was really the start of the shift from.

[00:29:51] Uh, MTV being very gen X to kind of going for, uh, older millennials and that like when older millennials were young, so it was starting, it was moving from gen X being for like these older teens to being for these younger teens. So it was kind of shifting from, um, you know, rock acts to teenyboppers. And MTV seeming to have, um, this misguided sort of perception that TRL was like the UN and that, uh, people who were fans of like live biscuit and Brittany Spears could like co-exist right.

[00:30:36] And that’s just not really how it was like, honestly, limp biscuit, fans and corn fans want nothing to deal with fans of the Backstreet boys or the Backstreet boys for that matter. And, um, and that they did not really like it. And that Woodstock with S 99 was so focused on. Lent biscuit and corn and Metallica on the offspring and the red hot chili pepper then.

[00:31:02] And most of these hard ads and literally one female act a day as if, as if to appeal to the girlfriends of these guys, that they were really trying to feel to isn’t to say like, look, they know like, look, you got, you got Cheryl on day one. You’ve got to wait on us all day today. On day two, when you got Juul on day three, like, like, come on, babe, come with, call me come.

[00:31:26] Yeah. That’s like, that’s like, that’s like, you can tell us what their mindset was. Like. They had a quota and they filled it and, um, they had Moby for some reason. And, uh, Yeah, it was just very interesting. Uh, that

[00:31:46] Andrew: sounds like a poorly executed playing and executed type of

[00:31:50] Emily: event. Well, it wasn’t diverse.

[00:31:52] There was no diversity in there. And then you, like, you look at today’s festivals that are very successful, Bonnaroo Coachella. Um, most of them that aren’t marketed as like genre specific festival. You look at a festival like stage coach, um, which is marketed as a country music festival. You look at that.

[00:32:11] I forget what, um, I think insane clown posse has their own festival. That’s marketed as like a new metal festival. Like there are festivals that are marketed at genre specific and they do well as being John rhe specific festivals. What’s that 99 wasn’t really marketed as a genre specific festival, but it was right.

[00:32:31] And it, so it just, and then they brought it MTV and nobody there wanted him to be because they felt that MTV had a turned on them or had kind of given themselves over to like their little sisters. So they presented in TV. We’re throwing shit at MTV and MTV had to get the hell out of there because Viacom at one point said, we can’t guarantee your safety.

[00:32:54] You need to leave. Sometimes you’d be left on day two. And then on day three, I forgot. Like there were literally riots and there were literally fires and, uh, people tore that shit up. Sounds like a good time. Yeah. Compare it to what’s that 94, which did bring back a lot of the legacy bands, the, the dead and, um, Dylan and some contemporary bands.

[00:33:22] So it was a much more balanced event than was set in 99. So kind of wonder, like, why did you completely change? The dynamics. Cause you look at Bonnaroo and Coachella and theirs, they have legacy bands, they have contemporary bands at indie bands. They have full fans, like they are well-rounded festivals that have a little bit of thing for everybody and they don’t, they’re not trying to just, just appeal to everything like limp biscuit, wasn’t Lollapalooza this year and didn’t incite riots

[00:33:54] Andrew: just turned into just LG band.

[00:33:56] So

[00:33:56] Emily: yeah. Yeah. I mean, exactly. Like I was looking at that and I’m like, I don’t like, and like the, the promoters, like Fred Durst was a moron and was like inciting violence. And I’m like, look here, like you guys, like didn’t have the infrastructure you invited like angry. I like, but

[00:34:19] Andrew: then charge them $80 for a glass of milk.

[00:34:23] Emily: I’m like, I think, yeah. I think you can’t blame singularly fenders? I don’t think, I think that it was just like this whole. You have to look at it holistically. And it was a lot of factors. It was the heat, it was on a military base. He didn’t have great security. Um, you invite a lot of angry, angry, angry, white people, a white young men.

[00:34:53] Uh, you charge them a lot of money. You don’t give them great infrastructure there. Like the culture of the time was very different. They talked about how you went from these like very. Progressive acts like Nirvana and Michael Stipe being the rock stars who were like wearing makeup, performing in drag then, and then you go to like, I don’t want to shit on front doors, but like, he’s a great example of like frat bro kind of rock.

[00:35:20] And that’s what you then go into. And that’s what you’re going into a lot of like girls gone wild culture and like girls gone. Why was that? What SOC 99? Like that kind of thing. You mean to tell me that

[00:35:29] Andrew: hot dog water and chocolate starfish. Isn’t. Geez.

[00:35:34] Emily: So you go from like that, that cultural shift. And that was like the culture of the time.

[00:35:40] Like, it was just like, it was a lot, it was, it was just like a really nasty, uh, soup soupy mixture of just like a lot of shit going wrong, washing, like, yeah.

[00:35:53] Andrew: Like fall of 98 and someone like the logistics or marketing department, who’s just underpaid and overworked is like the, the, like the, the foundation for so much of the other work that needs to get done to prepare for, for Woodstock 99.

[00:36:09] They’re like stir it. I quit. See how far you get without me. And now I’m just imagining, like watching the news, eating popcorn, going. Yep. This is why they should have paid me more.

[00:36:21] Emily: Yeah. I use that and gets a line up with more diverse and they just hadn’t invited like just those like angry bands. Yeah. I mean,

[00:36:31] Andrew: festivals having their successful festivals to think rebrands too.

[00:36:34] So let me look at,

[00:36:37] Emily: if it hadn’t just been that demographic maybe would have been different. It hadn’t been as hot, maybe would have been different. Like there’s a lot of stuff you can’t, you can’t pinpoint one thing. I think, I think it just was like, I don’t wanna say a comedy of errors. Cause it was tragic.

[00:36:53] People died. There was a lot of sexual assault. There were at least 10 reported rape. And you can just call that drop in a bucket compared to what, like I’m sure actually happened. Um, there’s a lot of unreported stuff. It was miserable experience. A lot of people got hurt. A lot of people died, people died and, um, you know, it’s the band from fire festival, right.

[00:37:18] Uh, people didn’t die at fire festival, dude. Well, that’s true. Um, so. But only because it didn’t happen. Um, you know, I think that it’s just like the co I’m I’m. I actually feel glad that I was very, I remember being very young in that culture. I was 10 in 1999. I remember seeing just kind of how women were treated at that time and really.

[00:37:48] Not liking it. And I think that the seeing that treatment of women when I was very young and seeing the lump bisque, God, I kind of stopped shitting on a biscuit, but that was like, I hated like that. I hated their fan base. Like I really did not like the kids I went to school with who were big live biscuit fans specifically.

[00:38:11] And I didn’t like how they treated women. And it really shaped who I am today. And I it’s really makes me glad to see that the culture now is a lot more progressive. And I’m really happy for kids who are growing up in this culture. That seems a lot more progressive, especially the women, uh, who have, you know, I think a lot better role models.

[00:38:27] I think for the most part, it seems a lot more fun to grow up right now. I think that you have to, you don’t have to be nearly as defensive as I felt like I had to be. Growing up in like middle school, um, back then. So, you know, I, it really was, it was, it was kind of weird to watch that and just be like, reminded of like, yeah, that was those.

[00:38:52] Those were my bullies, you know, they’re, they’re the people who went to Woodside 99, their little brothers were my bullies growing up a lot of them. And, uh, so yeah, that time that’s, I wasn’t, it wasn’t a lot of fun. There was a lot of good music. Um, the little fair kind of stuff was interesting. Um, I kinda liked the idea of a little affair, uh, but I also don’t really like the idea of completely separating women’s music and men’s music.

[00:39:23] I really just want the things to coexist a lot more. Um, it’s I think it’s great. I’ve said this before to have like safe spaces for, you know, uh, marginalized. Music to foster its own growth in a safe place. That’s, you know, maybe separate from something that could potentially be a harsher or cruel or damaging, but ultimately I think those things need to coexist.

[00:39:50] And I think that. It needs to exist together. And I think that, and I like how far we’ve come from, like a Woodstock 99, where there were literally three women on the bill too. Uh, we haven’t actually come that far because we look at these lineups on festivals from a couple of years ago. And we, the, the disparity is still there.

[00:40:16] It’s not quite as bad, but you can still look at them. And there are still movements to try to get. You know, less gender disparity and it’s still there. It’s still not 50 50 for most big festivals. So there’s still a push to try to get that to be more equal. It’s not there, but Hey, you know, it’s, it’s getting better and people are aware of it and talking about it still.

[00:40:40] So, you know, it’s, it’s kind of interesting to see how far we’ve come in. Some places, obviously there’s not that girls gone wild kind of vibe. I don’t think music is nearly as pop popular music is not nearly as like angry and aggressive. I don’t think that if you had a festival that was like, just like the most popular rock bands or like, cause I, I, like, I don’t think it would be that kind of vibe, but I don’t know.

[00:41:13] Uh, I think it would be. But I, yeah, I don’t know. I don’t know I was going with that thought the smoke is kidding to me

[00:41:22] Andrew: and the angry rock band part. Cause I mean, not fast is a great example. Like, so like the whole, not, not fast. So for Slipknot, um, not Fest as an annual, uh, festival, a lot of those type of bands, contemporarily that’s been going on for several years and yeah.

[00:41:40] I

[00:41:40] Emily: mean, are they breaking shit and starting fires? No. That’s what I’m saying. They’re not breaking shit and starting fires. Yeah. So it’s this different. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:41:54] Andrew: Now the smoke’s getting my head. Um,

[00:42:01] Emily: so you can’t have a festival that has those kinds of bands and not have them break shit and start fires. Yeah, I think cause like it wasn’t there a study that like everyone, I remember in the eighties, they were like, all these kids who listen to metal, they’re going to, they’re going to be the generous as adults.

[00:42:16] And it turns out those kids are actually like really turned out to be really happy functioning adults. They just needed an outlet and they had their outlet and heavy metal and they had their community and that community was heavy metal and they’re contributing happy members of society.

[00:42:37] Yeah. And I just give, can you give people an outlet? And sometimes all they need to do is say, just give me something to break. And that’s enough just like chant that and just like rage a little and jump up and down. So hopefully that’s enough for like 99% of people is to like, feel that someone else gets that they have that feeling sometimes.

[00:43:03] Yeah. And then when they’re treated badly and they have a lot of other angry people around them who are really stupid, maybe it’s not great, not great. It just, I just don’t think it was fair that the promoters just like singularly blamed limp biscuit for that. They singularly blamed limp biscuit, bra. I’m

[00:43:28] Andrew: sure that’s like the art, like walk into the boardroom.

[00:43:31] All right, gentlemen, this is going terribly. Who can we blame? I’m just going through the set list. Um, these guys are the most likely to be the problem. So we’ll just go with that.

[00:43:44] Emily: Well, limp Bizkit was the set where they started tearing the plywood down from one of the towers and crowd surfing on the plywood.

[00:43:52] That’s actually pretty cool was like, I like that one, a fucking moron

[00:44:02] thing. It’s like, I really, this is like really bad and dangerous, but like, oh my God, like, I’m watching it. What is this so bad? Like from a distance, like this is so bad, he’s just like, oh, I like that. I’m like, oh my God,

[00:44:20] Andrew: no, that’s more even weight distribution for crowd surfing. I mean, what I see that as efficient,

[00:44:33] Emily: bad, it’s bad.

[00:44:37] Andrew: And you’re less likely to drop someone out. And you’re less likely to get accidentally groped that way.

[00:44:43] Emily: Accidentally Grove come on. Every single group was purposeful. I like that Dexter Holland from the offspring when he, uh, there’s actually a clip of him in that, uh, documentary where he said, yeah, you know, he, he actually just starts going off on the guys who are groping the women who are, uh, crowd surfing.

[00:45:03] Yeah. He he’s like, I don’t basically, he doesn’t like, he didn’t like that. He’s like, so the next time you see a guy, they send me, she a crowds guy, crowd surfing, grab his balls. I was like,

[00:45:17] Andrew: there’s an unspoken etiquette of like, unless the person’s going to fall, like avoid, avoid all of that if possible.

[00:45:28] And even then you just try and help catch them. If they’re falling into the crowd. But anyhow, I’m just saying I see some positive benefits to plywood.

[00:45:42] Emily: No. Yeah, totally. But just don’t rip it down from the tower. That

[00:45:49] don’t mean the tower fall like that. You could hurt somebody.

[00:45:56] Andrew: Next metal, show it, go do it. I’m just going to show up at the door with like a six by four sheet of plywood. Like, sir, you can’t bring that in. And I’m like, oh, wait until you see what I’m going to do with it.

[00:46:08] Emily: Uh, what, uh, okay. Oh, Brian, from the outside, like my

[00:46:15] Andrew: own just to keep it from scratching people.

[00:46:20] Emily: And in true with stock tradition, they also tore down the entire aspect. Then around the peace wall. I like how they call the, the barrier around a Woodstock, the peace wall. If you were like, that’s pretty hilarious. That’s pretty ironic to call it a, like, that’s not very conducive a piece of wall and then people tore it down.

[00:46:41] Every single, every single Woodstock a wall has the, the, the wall preventing people from coming in has been torn down.

[00:46:51] Andrew: Not just sounds like a tradition to me at that point.

[00:46:54] Emily: Yeah,

[00:46:58] so, yeah, but, uh, I recommend watching it. It was a horrifying and, uh, educational, interesting mobi, uh, uses quite some big words in it. Movie at some point seems like an absolute asshole, but also right. And you hate to see it.

[00:47:21] Oh God. Yeah. Moby is one of those people who is just like Manny hate, you know, he’s very smart and very, and sufferable and kind of pretty gross. Sometimes he talks about like dating Natalie Portman when she was like 16 and she’s like, we never dated, like, he talks about that somewhere else, like in a book or something.

[00:47:45] And she’s like, Ooh, I was in high school. And you were in your like late twenties. Yeah. Yeah, that’s enough. That’s enough. That’s enough. That’s enough mobi for today.

[00:48:02] Andrew: Well, I’m officially out of coffee.

[00:48:10] Emily: Anything else you wanna talk about?

[00:48:12] Andrew: Um, after that Moby comment, and now just thinking about whether or not I could puke into the star successfully or freshly go find a trash. It is like approximately leader. So it would

[00:48:24] Emily: probably. There was one point in documentary where it’s like a video footage of Moby when he gets to the Woodstock.

[00:48:30] And he’s bitching about his name, not being on like some sort of welcome screen. And I’m like, Moby, I get it. But man, you seem like a real baby right now. I get it. I get it. I’m actually, yeah, it really

[00:48:44] Andrew: is a bad reputation. Geez

[00:48:47] Emily: relate because I got really mad in college when we had to do like, as a class, like as a whole class, like this big.

[00:48:55] Video project. And I worked so hard and actually did like way more than my fair share. And my friends were responsible for doing like the credits and they left my name out. I cried. So I relate. I was also like 20 when I cried and not like a wealthy rocks, like EDM star had lied. Woodstock 99,

[00:49:28] upset that my name wasn’t on a welcome banner that no one else was going to do

[00:49:33] Andrew: people that are twenties. Am I right?

[00:49:37] Emily: I’d said 29 in my twenties. I

[00:49:41] Andrew: know I’m just intentionally twisting what you said,

[00:49:46] Emily: man. This is you see the performance on that video. I did about why my guitars fell off the wall.

[00:49:51] Andrew: I haven’t yet. No,

[00:49:55] Emily: it’s a pretty good. Yeah, I’ll check it out. 1100 ish views, noise, noise, noise. Yeah. 55 comments,

[00:50:10] including someone who doesn’t know the word.

[00:50:15] Andrew: No, I did see that someone was commenting. I saw the screenshot of the comment. That, that I’m not even sure how to classify it. It’s the dumb joke about my deepest fear life is that my wife is going to sell my guitars for what I told her that I paid for them.

[00:50:33] And, uh, It was like my worst dream or something like that. I was living back in my head like, oh, I’m sure her, her, her best dream is that you die before she does. So you’ve got something in common.

[00:50:48] Emily: We’ve got something in common. Yeah. My nightmare is my wife sells my guitars for what I told her. I paid them for, or my neighbors.

[00:50:59] I go out of town and my wife sells my guitars for what I told her. I paid for it. I’m like, why would your wife sell your guitars when you go out of town?

[00:51:08] Andrew: Yeah, that, that that’s, uh, that’s a different problem.

[00:51:12] Emily: Would, why don’t you just, but like the

[00:51:16] thing

[00:51:17] Emily: about the show, why don’t, but every time I spent joke, I’m like, why don’t you just tell her.

[00:51:26] What they’re actually worth. And then say like one, don’t let your spouse about what you spend or things, but like, even so, like, why are you telling me you got like, for a good deal? Like, why is it? Oh man. Yeah, this gets hard. $1,100. And I got it for like six. Why? Cause like women appreciate sales. Just tell her you got, and like w we, we are very familiar, like with sales and getting things for sale.

[00:51:56] Like we go to Kohl’s a lot, we’re familiar with sales and we appreciate them. Like, I think I’ve never, if you, if you compliment a woman’s shirt. Oh man. I really like that shirt nine times out of 10. She’s going to be like, thanks. I got it on sale.

[00:52:23] Just. Just play the game, dude, Jesus, or

[00:52:30] Andrew: just, just be honest level without the game and

[00:52:33] Emily: beyond. But if you’re going to be, if you’re going to tell the joke, at least, cause I know this guy is just obviously telling a shitty joke, right?

[00:52:42] Andrew: Dudes probably not even married. That’s what I’m just telling myself now.

[00:52:48] Emily: Um, not married. People are still impressed with that catch though of the guitar.

[00:52:56] Andrew: Well, it was a lightning fast catch

[00:52:59] Emily: box box box.

[00:53:02] Andrew: All right. My, my sinuses are continuing to get worse. I need to go like, take something for him.

[00:53:07] Emily: Yeah, I hear that. Well, it’s everyone out there. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening.

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