Get Offset Episode 160 Stop the Show

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[00:00:00] Emily: Oh, is it going on?

[00:00:15] Andrew: welcome to the good offset podcast. My name is Andrew

[00:00:18] Emily: and my name is Emily.

[00:00:21] Andrew: And, uh, today we, we have all of the things, some of the things, some of them probably. So rumor on the street,

[00:00:32] Emily: um, there there’s rumors on the internet. Are you open for that joke?

[00:00:38] Andrew: Probably not.

[00:00:40] Emily: So you didn’t watch the 2000 presidential debates?

[00:00:43] No. 2004 presidential

[00:00:45] Andrew: debates? Uh, no.

[00:00:48] Emily: That’s when George Bush told John Kerry, I hear there’s rumors on the internets. Good times. Good times when. You know, that was the meme of the day. The internet was a little bit less on fire,

[00:01:08] Andrew: but by how much, and are we talking like grain told cumulation, are we talking like to scale of total active users of the internet?

[00:01:22] Emily: Our parents still weren’t on the internet quite as much, they were telling us not to like, believe everything we read on the internet.

[00:01:30] Andrew: Do you remember that

[00:01:33] Emily: another believe, whatever they read on the internet. That’s great.

[00:01:37] Andrew: I believe everything Clippy tells you cause Clippy is a God and should be treated as such Clippy

[00:01:43] Emily: as Cindy and

[00:01:46] Andrew: I love Clippy so much.

[00:01:48] Wow.

[00:01:49] Emily: Well, he’s gotten to you, huh? That microchip really kicking in.

[00:01:53] Andrew: Yup. Yeah, look, I’m just saying, like, if we’re, if we’re bounds, like live in a world where like the Metta versus like everything and there’s like 17 overlord. If I had to pick one, I at least make it Clippy it, make it a little more

[00:02:10] Emily: bearable.

[00:02:11] Yeah. Clippy can reset some of your electronic devices. We just kind of unwind them a little bit. When you say we have all the things, do you mean my office is full of secrets right

[00:02:23] Andrew: now? Uh, that’s not what I was intentionally getting at, but I suppose that may or may not be a thing, which I can’t admit to one way or

[00:02:33] Emily: the other.

[00:02:33] Yeah. My office is full of secrets and just to prevent myself from accidentally revealing a secret, all the secrets are pushed into a back corner as far away from any of my cameras is they can get, I cannot, I’m not, I’m not going to pull a J DOB that kinda.

[00:02:54] Andrew: Well, thank you for your diligence. We appreciate it.

[00:02:58] Emily: I was actually, I was actually talking to a friend about like artists who have accidentally like, had like leaked leaks gear, like months in advance of a being released or announced like 3:00 AM phone calls to artists and they answer like, hello. Like, you need to take that video down now because this product is in the background.

[00:03:21] Oh, I’m sorry. It’s just like shocked that they answered their phone at three

[00:03:27] Andrew: in the morning. Right? Meanwhile, like everybody’s, you know, already like downloaded it, uploaded it to your page.

[00:03:35] Emily: Ah, what’s that thing in the background is so-and-so’s Instagram picture. It looks weird

[00:03:41] Andrew: then again, that’s assuming that members of the gear page can use Instagram.

[00:03:44] Emily: Yeah. I mean, I’ve said it, you know, they can, that’s about all they can, if they can, like, uh, you know, they, they do lots of things. They found like they’ve found unlisted videos somehow. Like, yeah, I I’ve talked to other demo artists. I’m like, I don’t know how they found my on listed video. I, I, and that’s always a fear cause like you usually you have the videos unlisted, you send them to the, um, the biller so they can like tell you if you said something wrong or like put them in the announced email or on the website.

[00:04:27] If the choose to, um,

[00:04:30] Andrew: there are ways of, there are ways of utilizing the tools that exist to find them less videos. Uh, you just have to particularly be intentional about it. Yeah, it’s an unnecessary amount of internet sleuthing just to ruin somebody else’s name my opinion. Yeah. Um,

[00:04:49] Emily: and the bummer about like setting premiers.

[00:04:53] Cause I do a lot of premiers and I can’t schedule premiers for launches. Yup.

[00:04:59] Andrew: The name. Yep. Yeah. Oh, watch dash.

[00:05:05] Emily: So people will learn that one the hard way. Yeah. You learned that one the hard way once. And I have, thankfully have not learned that one the hard way I learned that. No, I just realized that, um, early on, cause I was like, oh, I’ll just schedule a bunch of premiers.

[00:05:21] And then I scheduled like two weeks of videos out and then I realized they were all showing up on my page. Anyway. I’m like, this is stupid. I wish it wasn’t like this. Yeah. I guess it’s a matter of time because YouTube is already giving you more like options with your premieres. I used to not be able to like schedule or start a premiere from my phone and now I can do that.

[00:05:46] So that’s a step in the better direction.

[00:05:49] Andrew: Sure. Yeah.

[00:05:52] Emily: Just say I have a busy November.

[00:05:55] Andrew: Well, instead of talking about what’s new that you can talk about, let’s talk about what’s new that you can talk about. That seems like that seems like a productive.

[00:06:03] Emily: Yeah. Well, this got released already. It’s the, uh, go fly a kite it’s a dog man devices, uh, delay was in effects, send and return.

[00:06:13] So you can put whatever your heart desires and the trails of your, uh, delay in your, um, repeats. I’m excited to have fun with this. Uh,

[00:06:24] Andrew: sounds like the nicest way to tell somebody to go fuck themselves, go fly kite.

[00:06:30] Emily: I’m glad we don’t believe anymore. It is. That’s exactly how that’s exactly what that means.

[00:06:34] Of course, uh, go fly a kite and this is the first, uh, Nannette. Uh, dog man pedal. I have the fi the original fire fuzz. Wasn’t etched either. Um, but I really liked the static. You got a little dog, man.

[00:06:49] Andrew: I definitely did get a dog, man. It’s on brand simultaneously kind and

[00:06:55] Emily: cheeky. Yeah. You can talk between short and long, but you can also control the time mix and repeats there and you have a very clear send in return.

[00:07:05] Um, so you don’t have to use, um, the Ts Ts. Yeah. You don’t have to use a, your cable, the dual Ts to TRS. You know, I have a lot of those, but I always, I always forget, which is which, so I often have to do like trial and error.

[00:07:27] And then I have gotten in the deep Ogun chorus by therapy, which I’m going to be honest. I have no idea how I’m going to film this vision from a visual perspective. It’s so shiny. You can see my phone as being used as my webcam. You can see Andrew. Hi, you can see me.

[00:07:58] That’s like, that’s how like, mirror?

[00:08:01] Andrew: Uh, well, I mean, related to my what’s new, which I don’t want to get to yet, but what I did for a photo yesterday was I just held up a piece of cardstock and then took the photo in angle. So that way the reflection was onto the white card stock.

[00:08:14] Emily: Yeah. What I’m going to have to do is, um, like often I have a little, um, piece of.

[00:08:24] Foam that I put underneath the pedal, uh, just for reflections. So then it doesn’t reflect, well, I’m going to have to do this time is like my camera. I can just angle the camera instead. So I’ll probably do that. Um, I might use your cardstock Trek, but

[00:08:49] Andrew: I heard soccer like Lightbox or, you know, it’s like cards like 8, 9,

[00:08:54] 11,

[00:08:55] Emily: and I do have a light box.

[00:08:57] You’re right. I do have a light box.

[00:08:59] Andrew: I use these for, um, backgrounds for Fox hydro stuff. They’re like a dollar target or whatever. Yeah. I mean, obviously they, they also come to white. So that could be, if you need a little bit more surface area that could work as well,

[00:09:13] Emily: maybe,

[00:09:15] Andrew: maybe creative product lighting solutions.

[00:09:21] Emily: Yeah, this is going to need it. It’s just so shiny, shiny

[00:09:25] Andrew: any that will be parents who listen to this are like, no, no, there’s these songs

[00:09:35] Emily: has a what out in a dry out. That’s nice.

[00:09:39] Andrew: Moist.

[00:09:44] Emily: I might believe that.

[00:09:48] Thank you. Probably clips there.

[00:09:50] Andrew: I probably

[00:09:52] Emily: did it. It was worth it. Yeah.

[00:09:56] Andrew: Motto and steer you out for the course. Yeah.

[00:09:59] Emily: Classic. Yeah. I mean, that’s the classic Steria sound where the it’s just a wet, dry, so it would be like the control allows full counterclockwise, a hundred percent dry. The middle position is 50%.

[00:10:14] What dry full counterclockwise is 50 a hundred percent. And puts the debugging if I brought him a

[00:10:24] Andrew: yep. That makes sense. Yeah, because the, it was just chorus, but without the dry, yeah.

[00:10:31] Emily: Gosh,

[00:10:38] I don’t know. I’m looking at this

[00:10:43] so you could do that. Yeah, it looks cool. It does. Starkey pedals always look pretty cool.

[00:10:49] Andrew: It’s a, it’s a great enclosure that they designed themselves and, um, should not be copied because at this point, trademark of their, of their look,

[00:11:03] Emily: probably not legal trademark, but yeah.

[00:11:06] Andrew: Yeah. But like a unofficial, like big Lebowski.

[00:11:10] Emily: Like you’re not, you’re not going to step on these and these aren’t going to get to lack of doodle on your pedal board. When yeah. When you’re transporting it, which is real thing that happens as we know it is like, why, oh my gosh, you really need to check your pedal board settings before you sit down.

[00:11:31] Andrew: Okay. but that is, I guess like a huge appeal for many, for me is just kind of toss them in a bag and get it out. And it’ll just automatically recall everything. But the other not appeal for many, for me is effort.

[00:11:48] Emily: So effort on the front end means no effort on the backend, which makes sense. So, were you the kid who backed your bike into the garage or

[00:11:59] Andrew: not?

[00:12:00] Uh, no. He’s was the kid that realized that my brakes weren’t working right as I was approaching the garage and the garage was closed and we just slam into it.

[00:12:08] Emily: Nice. You would have made some great Tik TOK videos as an adult. I’m sure.

[00:12:14] Andrew: Uh, yeah, I forgot that actually happened. Yeah. That, that actually did have it like slammed into a full horse is great.

[00:12:22] Um,

[00:12:23] Emily: crushers are expensive. That must have socks for your parents. They didn’t break it. Did you break yourself?

[00:12:30] Andrew: Uh, I mean, the question is, was I already broken anyways under well, speaking of happy, shiny people, things, uh, I have finally installed my new pickups finally, and look how shiny those are. They are pretty sure you can see everything.

[00:12:53] Can I keep there’s the lamp? And then over to the cross and land, there is. Services up there, but yeah. Uh, no, I installed it yesterday. It’s a good time.

[00:13:03] Emily: Last. I saw that on the Instagram.

[00:13:06] Andrew: It’s a good time. So I was up against the wall. And so I literally just gaff tape my mini-tripod to my white board that sits above my forehead.

[00:13:15] And then just let it time up. So if you look like halfway through the time-lapse, like, it’s like, you haven’t noticed that start drifting. Cause it’s so slow that I’d like, knock it back. Cause the gap almost slipped. Yeah. But yeah, it’s, it’s loud. It’s angry. It’s like, it’s all articulate,

[00:13:30] Emily: but

[00:13:38] Andrew: nice. So I’ve got this in drop with those string joy strings and this sounds for what I’m for the sound that I’m going for. I much prefer how this sounds versus what I had in it before, which doesn’t matter. Yeah, no, I’m very excited, very happy.

[00:14:00] Emily: It’s always nice to finally check off those projects. I, I downloaded an app for my projects and, uh, I have a lot of projects in the hopper and not some many in progress.

[00:14:18] Andrew: Yeah, no, I mean, I took last week off for, um, I mean, having a week off for vacation is great, but like feeling like a week behind in everything has not been great. So I’m trying to do my darndest to catch up. Uh, and I’m getting there. I am getting there making a little bit more progress this week than I did the week before I went on vacation.

[00:14:36] So that’s good.

[00:14:38] Emily: Yeah. I was trying, I’m trying to film between four and five demos this week and, and write an article, uh, cause I’m going to miss this week. Uh, Mazama Kevin weekend escaping to the woods, the mountains. Right. Sometimes you need to, it’s great. Just get out of Dodge. Yeah. So I’m looking forward to that.

[00:15:08] I need it

[00:15:10] Andrew: really need it. Yeah. Go enjoy vacations.

[00:15:15] Emily: Great. Yeah, they can be so, um, yeah, I’m looking forward to it. Um, then I’m going to come back to a very, very busy week. I’m sure. Um, so I’m just trying to get a lot of stuff out of the way now, so I don’t have to do them later the best way to do it. So I’m not like rushing to do it.

[00:15:37] Like, oh my gosh, I needed, I should have done this before. No, you do it now. Do it. Do what now? Yeah. So.

[00:15:48] Andrew: And reduce here. Somebody are a little impression and be like, whoa, that was really scary. Good.

[00:15:54] Emily: No, but I was watching SNL last night and I did not. There’s a sketch. I did not enjoy because the guys, Trump impression was so good.

[00:16:01] Like his voice was so correct. I’m like, stop, stop talking. Just stop is too uncanny. And I don’t like it when they’re that uncanny or they have to be a little wrong for it to be funny. Like anything. I don’t like it when they’re that

[00:16:19] Andrew: correct? I’m impressed when it’s out on. I, I didn’t see it

[00:16:22] Emily: I’m impressed at first.

[00:16:23] And then after like a while you’re like stop it. It’s like playing a very realistic looking video game. You’re like, oh wow. These graphics are so cool. And then after a while you’re like, Hmm.

[00:16:35] Andrew: Um, yeah, no, I know what you’re talking about now. I did that to my dad. Uh, when is the Wisconsin, uh, you just told me about a bad experience he had with the church, particularly the pastor.

[00:16:46] I’m like, oh, tell me a little bit more. Like, I got my head around, like that type of charismatic, but behind the doors, like behind doors, I’m going to Gaslight people and tell them that they’re the reason why that they’re coming to me with issues kind of a pastor. And so I was just started like leaning into it and you know, it’s like, oh, like, does this sound familiar?

[00:17:04] And like, after a couple of minutes of me, uh, rehearsing or not rehearsing, um, Bree announcing things that I’ve also heard in a church environment and he’s like, Andrew, I’m going to need you to stop. That’s like, oh, whoops, little too. On the nose

[00:17:21] Emily: there. Close to too close to home, stop snap it, stab, stab it.

[00:17:31] Don’t like it. Yeah, there’s too much.

[00:17:36] Andrew: You know, dad, I just think, I think you’re, uh, I think you’ve just let the spirit of cynicism seep in your heart and develop a bitter root. And I think that’s actually what the issue is here. And now you’re just overreacting to the other things that are happening and you just need to let the love of Jesus.

[00:17:52] Sorry. Um, yeah.

[00:17:57] Emily: Did you know your thoughts and feelings? Aren’t valid. Yep. I did. So anyways, not to say it’s not me, it’s you?

[00:18:09] Andrew: Yeah. So not to say that as all pastors, because it is not that

[00:18:17] Emily: one specifically

[00:18:18] Andrew: just the one and only for school. I mean, um,

[00:18:23] Emily: it’s like, it’s like, I think, I think one of my favorite tweets, uh, was, uh, not all men, your friend, Dave

[00:18:37] Andrew: everybody’s I saw somebody was posted. Or do you hear about the oh,

[00:18:40] Emily: pastor as mark Driscoll? I’ll say it.

[00:18:45] Andrew: Yeah. Um, yeah. So anyways, if that’s your pastor, please run. You deserve. Moving on to a slightly similar topic. Did he see that the California Condors have started reproducing asexually

[00:19:06] they’re like men are trash. Why do we need them? Just do it ourselves. It’s fine.

[00:19:12] Emily: Uh, what are you talking about?

[00:19:17] Andrew: It was a headline in the news this week. It’s probably fake, but I read it and I believed it because I believe everything I read on the internet.

[00:19:25] Emily: Wow. Okay.

[00:19:26] Andrew: So with that in mind, are you ready for a word from our sponsors now that my credibility has been completely tossed

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[00:19:33] Emily: this week’s episode, they get off since podcast is sponsored by the California Condors leads man now,

[00:19:43] and Caroline guitar company who needs guitar pedals. We do Caroline guitar companies. Got it. In speeds, speeds. And I highly recommend the somersault. It’s a great course. And by Brata pedal, if you ever get lost, just set everything to high noon, true north, you will find your way back home, and then you can hit that havoc switch to max out that rate in depth and get a crazy vibrato only when you need it.

[00:20:17] Momentary, latching. It’s a beautiful thing. I love it. Me too. There’s nothing like it to beautiful pedal, quiet pizza, also huge favorite of mine. Uh, and I had the meteorite for a long time and this dearly. So don’t be like me. Don’t get rid of your meaty or a,

[00:20:40] Andrew: I mean, really just like don’t sell, they’ll sell your things.

[00:20:42] Just buy more accumulate.

[00:20:47] Emily: Don’t don’t hate accumulate.

[00:20:51] Andrew: But that’s a good catch phrase. I like that. It’s like the right amount of positivity for this time of year.

[00:20:57] Emily: Don’t hoard things, friends, if you’re not using them, set them free. That’s honestly, I think better.

[00:21:05] Andrew: I like just like put all of your pedals in the middle of the room and just like taking a nap on top of them.

[00:21:10] Like some sort of a tone dragon.

[00:21:12] Emily: It was one of those companies that’s I think they’re one of the easier companies to just make a board just, just of their pedals and it’d be like a phenomenal board.

[00:21:20] Andrew: Yes. Yeah. And their pedals are genuinely very affordable. Yeah. So, oh yeah. Yeah. Build an entire board that you could just rock the hell out of, for an entire tour for like relatively cheap.

[00:21:39] Emily: Yeah, this week’s episode of the guests at podcast is also brought to you by you. Dear listeners, as far as on Patrion, I get off at patron.com/get offset for as little as $5 a month. You can join our exclusive discord server and you still have time to join and get in on our holiday secret Santa it’s.

[00:22:04] All the rage limit is $25 and the gifts do not have to be gear related. It’s just fun example. Yeah. Last year Andrew got this awesome Fox Cairo camping mug. I got an awesome prince where’s Waldo inspired book. It made me very happy. I have it down here somewhere.

[00:22:29] Andrew: My coffee mug smells great right now, by the way.

[00:22:33] I made a T yesterday. There’s just like a little bit left in the bottom, the rest of loose leaf. So like

[00:22:41] Emily: campfire last was like vanilla latte. That’s exciting. It is. It is. So yeah, check that out. You can also, uh, get merged at, get us at podcast.com/shop. Andrew wants to talk about, um, upcoming merge. That is a forthcoming, I should say, merge.

[00:23:05] Um, he has big plans, involves brats involves in case you didn’t know. I don’t know the exact episode number where Andrew tells his absolutely horrifying seagull story. It is truly, um, an adventure in storytelling.

[00:23:25] Andrew: There’s a reason I’ve never forgotten. It just burned it. And

[00:23:28] Emily: a reason I never will.

[00:23:32] Andrew: Uh, yeah.

[00:23:33] So anyways, merchant’s tire inspired by a horrifying story coming to get offset stores near you soon.

[00:23:42] Emily: Actually, it’s going to look really like you’re putting it on some really classy, like base layers. Oh yeah, yeah. Like this isn’t going to be $5. T-shirts this is going to be like nice, nice stuff. Oh

[00:23:59] Andrew: yeah, no, it’s gotta be, cause it’s like kind of that grotesque, but also like what in the, what kind of artwork is like, it’s the double-take factor.

[00:24:12] Um, but then putting that like on, on, on the crew, neck sweater, like kind of what I’m wearing now, like

[00:24:17] Emily: really nice, like charcoal marbled. Yeah. Crewneck yeah,

[00:24:25] Andrew: yeah, yeah. It was like a caption in times, new Roman,

[00:24:28] Emily: something that you can pass down to your children.

[00:24:31] Andrew: Yeah. Totally

[00:24:34] Emily: new Roman. That’s your idea of a classy font?

[00:24:39] Damn.

[00:24:40] Andrew: No, it’s my placeholder. If for whatever reason, I don’t have Garmin downloaded. So I was going to look for that. Um, I was between that and Helvetica,

[00:24:50] Emily: um, Helvetica is pretty well use. Yeah, it looks nice. It does look nice. Yeah. There’s a whole documentary about Helvetica.

[00:25:01] Andrew: Yeah, I believe it.

[00:25:03] Emily: That was like, I remember I was in college.

[00:25:05] It was, you got to watch a documentary about Helvetica. I’m like, no, I’m not going to watch a documentary about a font. How much time you think I have watched a documentary about a font, please rather watch the Twilight zone again.

[00:25:24] Andrew: Like Twilight zone is good. Yeah.

[00:25:26] Emily: That’s why I’d rather watch it again. Jeez.

[00:25:31] All right. Uh, so we got a couple of things to talk about. Um,

[00:25:35] Andrew: yeah, it’s been a it’s it’s been a week. Uh, Hey, like some like kind of fun to talk about stuff in some like, horrifying to talk about stuff like that we’ll make

[00:25:47] Emily: on the lighter

[00:25:47] Andrew: note. Let’s end on a lighter note. Let’s start with the horrifying stuff.

[00:25:51] Um, especially since like, you know, after talking about seagulls, uh, this seagull suddenly won’t seem as bad. Yeah.

[00:25:58] Emily: Let’s talk about Astro world. Cause that was not like fun news to wake up to on a Saturday morning. Um, I’m from Cincinnati. So I’m not unfamiliar with the idea of crowd surges. I’m having horrific and terrible results for concert goers.

[00:26:17] And, um, so until, uh, until past like 20 years or so since Danny actually held the record for the most people who died at a concert at 11, 11, people tragically died at a who concert in the seventies or eighties. Um, when a crowd surge at the gates of the concert at what was, uh, when I was young, the us bank arena, um, they weren’t opened, uh, the, who was soundtracking and uh, people thought the show had started.

[00:26:47] Uh, there was a surge at the gates. A couple of doors were incorrectly opened and 11 people died. Um, and that was the most people had died at a concert until, um, uh, an event in New Jersey. And, um, uh, I think it was crazy. White. Yep. Yeah. A pyrotechnic, the video burned down. Um, uh, that was not, um, the worst issue of a crowd control event though.

[00:27:21] Um, there was a sporting event in 88, uh, where over a hundred people died, uh, due to a crowd surge during a weather event. Um, and in 2015, thousands of people died, um, during a trip to Mecca, um, during a crowd surge. So crowd surges have been historically very deadly events and that’s what happened at Astroworld, uh, to get one thing just completely clear.

[00:27:49] This is not the crowd’s fault. So anyone who’s faulting the crowd or the people in the crowd, uh, Travis Scotts is Travis Scott. That’s a nice name, right? His fan base. This is not. There fault if you’re blaming a rowdy crowd or anything like that, this is not their fault. This could have happened really at anything.

[00:28:15] And when you say like, oh, and Arpit, we look out for each other, this would never happen. This is not their fault. And I kind of want to talk a little bit more about why this is mostly the promoter’s fault for, for a few reasons. Um, and, and just generally speaking, um, it has a lot to do with, with crowd control, with oversized tickets, with poor security, with having too many people in a one space, um, cause people were trying to help each other from, from all accounts, the people who were in it, um, were trying to pull each other out.

[00:28:52] They were trying to look at

[00:28:53] Andrew: medical experiences, sticking around to try and contribute it. Yeah. It’s definitely not a crowd thing. I’ve seen a little bit of that on the internet. It’s like, oh, like here’s what, like crowd, like a crowd should be doing, like, you know, random video of some other MOSFET or another show, like, okay, that’s not really

[00:29:08] Emily: constructive one because a lot of times we re.

[00:29:12] It’s because there’s physically the space where you can push people out and make space. These people literally couldn’t make space for each other. And that’s because they’re one, there wasn’t a competing headliner. Uh, so let’s, let’s talk a little bit about the festival. Asher world is Travis Scott’s festival.

[00:29:31] And, uh, so leading up to the, the performance in question, it was like what 50,000 people who had an hour in between other sets. So it was just like an hour of people waiting and 50,000 people waiting in one spot for one show. Yeah, most other festivals they’ll have the reason they have like competing stages is they want people to move around because you don’t want people to like, get antsy in one spot, start pushing towards the front.

[00:30:02] Cause when people are going to do, and again, it’s not the people’s fault because that’s what, that’s

[00:30:06] Andrew: what they’re going to say. Yeah. You’re like, I need a little bit of room, like come on and go elbows up a little bit. Yeah.

[00:30:11] Emily: Yeah. So it’s kind of natural human behavior and it’s something that the promoters should be aware of and should be working

[00:30:18] Andrew: actively and section off GA sections to limit the number of people in one section.

[00:30:23] Emily: Yeah. They could section things off. Uh, one of the big issues was of course that there was no competition. There was no movement of people. So it was really just people like pushing to get forward. And the reason they were pushing to get forward is because so much of the area was blocked off for, um, a live stream.

[00:30:43] So people couldn’t really see, so they wanted to get closer to the stage. So because, and this is a big beef of mine because so much of the visible area was prioritized for a stream. Uh, people couldn’t see, and it also made it more difficult for ambulances to get in, which probably didn’t help the people who needed medical attention.

[00:31:06] Um, and I haven’t seen enough pictures and I’m not an expert in like this. Particular thing, but there there’s supposed to be like, w when you’re planning an event like this, they’re supposed to be like break off sections for like crowd control. Like, if there is like a crowd surge, that’s part of the reason those barriers do exist is yeah.

[00:31:30] So that, like, you can pull people over the barriers if they need to be, uh, to get people out

[00:31:36] Andrew: there and then follow them out the edge.

[00:31:38] Emily: Yeah, exactly. That’s exactly right. Um, you hear like people talking about being so close shoulder shoulder, not being able to breathe. And that’s what we would, the reason we don’t call them human stampedes is one is it kind of gives the idea that like, it’s the crowd’s fault in some way.

[00:31:54] And too, it’s mostly people who die in these situations. Aren’t dying because they’re trampled, they’re actually being suffocated and the actual crowd. So you’re, you’re being compressed with other people and you’re, you’re, you’re dying state. Yep. And it’s horrifying, sorry. That’s probably pretty horrifying.

[00:32:14] So it’s literally just it’s the surge itself. Um, so what else could have been done? Travis Scott should have stopped the show. Somebody should’ve made him stop the show and you can see in some of these videos, there was a woman who was like in the surge. She got out and you can see a video where she’s trying to get a camera person’s attention.

[00:32:37] She jumps onto the platform and she’s trying to get his attention to the surge and the pen she’s yelling. You can see her mouth, people are dying and he is just yelling at her and refuses to look in that direction. So it was. You would try. People were trying to help the crowd was opposite. I

[00:32:57] Andrew: want to be clear.

[00:32:58] I don’t think that’s necessarily his fault. She’s got, he can’t hear what’s going on. He’s got his headphones in with, uh, with his director telling him where to point the shot and whatnot. And he’s like, he’s not, he’s

[00:33:08] Emily: all he does. If someone is bouncing his platform.

[00:33:12] Andrew: Right. And he’s mad because he’s always getting the way of his job.

[00:33:14] He has no idea nor is like, it’s not his job to know that. No.

[00:33:19] Emily: So like, you can, like, I’m just saying the crowd is trying to stop this. And there are people who are trying to stop this and bring attention to it. But his boss came over and was talking to this woman and threatened to call the police on her.

[00:33:33] And like his boss came over and was talking to her. Yes. So his boss did know what was happening, uh, or what she was saying was happening by her account and by the video that corroborates it. Yeah. So. Obviously like in the, that the show never got stopped. Like I sent you a few examples, uh, Chester from Lincoln, Lincoln park and Dave Grohl.

[00:34:00] And I’ve seen some other example, like I’ve been to shows like, I, I was at a show, it was middle kids. And for some reason, the opening band came out during middle kid’s performance and decided to crowd surf. And the guy came, one of the guys came down pretty hard, like on my head, the basis stopped. The milk had stopped the show and made sure I was okay.

[00:34:21] Like you see Dave Grohl stopping a show, a big show to make sure people are okay. Like making sure things don’t get out of control. And they’re supposed to be people who have the capacity to pause a performance and make sure things go well, even Lollapalooza 99, even red hot chili peppers, stop their performance.

[00:34:47] To let firetrucks get through. They did not handle it well, but someone did have them stop the performance to let emergency vehicles through and try. And that didn’t happen here.

[00:35:02] Andrew: No, that didn’t happen. The other one of the other things I saw a reading through the CNN article on it is that they only had one AED, the automatic external defibrillator, uh, for the entire crowd.

[00:35:14] So of the aliens as they had 50,000 people, one AED, and I don’t know what the regulations are in Texas. Uh, and I know that regulations around that just in public spaces have always been a little lacking. Usually if you see one, it’s not because it’s required to be there. It’s because the building management is trying to be proactive about that.

[00:35:36] Uh, at least to my understanding, the last time I looked into it, but one is not enough. Like regulations be damned like you, that is, that does not compute. And so when you’ve got, you know, 50 people who are being crushed to the front and who are in cardiac arrest and you’ve got one to go around, it’s like, well next.

[00:35:55] Emily: Yeah. And to be fair, like as someone who’s not a medical professional, I don’t know what kind of difference that would have made. I think when you’re thinking about festivals, like the, the biggest risks that people usually have are overdoses and heat related, heat related emergencies, so dehydration and stuff like that.

[00:36:16] So I think that’s probably like what you are anticipating. Sure. Crowd surges. I don’t really remember the last one at a festival that was deadly. So this just goes to show like, and I think that the reason that you don’t see them a lot is because normally. Uh, planning’s a lot better investible shouldn’t be dangerous, but like things happen, you know, uh, several years ago, I think it was during a sugar land, not during a sugar land show, but like the sugar land stage collapsed during a windstorm.

[00:36:53] And like some crew members died, like things can happen. Like there are weather emergencies out of nowhere. Lightning can strike like out store outdoor performances and festivals. Like there is some inherent danger. Um, but there isn’t everything. Th

[00:37:11] Andrew: there’s contingency plans for most of aside, from like acts of God for accidents.

[00:37:15] Like there should be contingencies for

[00:37:17] Emily: yeah. But this, but the thing is like, this is preventable. This is one of the ones that is absolutely preventable. So it’s, it’s frustrating to see, like that’s something that just literally shouldn’t have happened, happened. Um, and so tragically, um, and to see. Like basically no apology, no real kind of apology and just no action taken by the performer when like he should have been taking it.

[00:37:48] And he just walked, like you see people being carried out limp and he’s just singing. And that’s really hard to watch. And

[00:38:01] Andrew: like, I get stage lighting can make it hard sometimes to see the crowd, but when that’s all upfront happening, because that’s where the bulk of it’s heavy, you got 50,000 people, it’s the people in front of the most compressed.

[00:38:12] And like, I’ve been to heart, like on the rail of hardcore shows. Like I know it’s like to have a whole bunch of people behind you pushing not 50,000 people though. And like, I I’ve walked out of hardcore shows like bruises right here, just from like arms on a rail and like trying to push back and, and whatnot.

[00:38:28] Emily: Uh, um, either, either he was not being communicated with as he should have been. Which is, you know, a major red flag on the part of his team, or he was being told and chose to not self-performance. Yup. They’re both bad. It’s just like, who’s actually to blame. And we don’t know. Um, I find it really hard to believe he had no inkling of an idea.

[00:38:57] I find that hard to believe, but that’s just, that’s that’s me.

[00:39:01] Andrew: I think it’s very unlikely.

[00:39:03] Emily: I think you see things happening and I, I just, I think, you know, I think, you know, something’s happening. It wasn’t that dark and it was really close to the stage. There was a, there were a lot of lights, you know, so that, that was, um, hard to wake up to on Saturday.

[00:39:24] Like nobody I maintained, no one should ever go to a concert and have anything, but a good time. Agreed. Selfishly as a musician, I believe just smoke. People have fun and be safe. And like, you

[00:39:40] Andrew: know, the victims are, uh, as they’re identifying them are as young as 14 as well.

[00:39:47] Emily: Yeah. I heard that there was like a ten-year-old who was taken

[00:39:53] and, you know, you shouldn’t be having, you shouldn’t be having an all ages festival that you market as a ranger is another thing. And that’s, that’s a big, that’s a big issue. Like if you’re having an all ages festival, you need to set it up as like all ages appropriate. Yep. Yeah. And you need to make it safe for all ages or you have 18 minute festival.

[00:40:24] Yeah. Yep. So there, I think it was poor planning. Again, I, you see a lot of. People tweeting about how it was like satanic or something. I’m like, no, it was just poor planning. You know, it was preventable.

[00:40:44] Andrew: It was eating.

[00:40:47] Emily: It was, you know, you know, it was no one person’s fault. Certainly it was a lot there, but there’s a lot of fault.

[00:40:57] It’s a fan is a failure of planning and no amount of blame is going to make it right for the families of the deceased. And, um, I really justice in court. That’d be great. They find justice. May they find peace? May the people who survive this, you know, I hope I hope they get the therapy and help that they need.

[00:41:21] And I hope that they can find enjoyment in, in live music and feel safe again. Um, because, and I hope like the mass survivor’s guilt that you must have in these situations. Like, especially, like, imagine you go with your friend and your friend’s gone, like, like, like the, the story of the woman who was on that to try and get that camera operators attention that that’s going to stick with me forever.

[00:41:46] She was with a friend and I didn’t, I didn’t get a follow up on like whether or not her friends. Okay. Her friend is getting pulled away from her. Just watch. She’s just watching her friend gets swept away in a wave like that. I don’t know what I would do. Yep. Yeah. It’s terrifying. So I really hope that the damage doesn’t get worse.

[00:42:11] Like the toll doesn’t get worse. Um, I really, I want justice for the people and I want this to not happen again. I want people to learn. From these mistakes and, um, yeah, that’s, that’s what I want. I want lessons to be learned. And, um, I think it goes to show that sometimes event planners can’t, um, police themselves appropriately and that’s hard.

[00:42:46] And you don’t know, you don’t know until you’re there. Like, I think people who were there knew it was a bad situation before the music started and that’s what I keep reading.

[00:42:58] Andrew: Right.

[00:42:59] Emily: Yeah. So you can’t

[00:43:01] Andrew: get out. There’s several levels of things that like, like no one thing could have fixed all of it. Several levels of things actually contribute.

[00:43:08] So like even just having more security and more access for security, it’s like, you go to a hardcore show, like it’s not abnormal for, um, for people, especially like, especially if you’re like four foot 11 at a hardcore show and you’re on the rails. Like they’re like security I need out. And they’ll just like lift them up and over and send them to the back.

[00:43:26] Like, that’s, that should be normal. You should have enough security to be able to deal with. You’ve got one bad actor, you know, a couple, three people deep. Who’s like pushing people around, hitting people, security, Jack aspect here. And I’ve seen the security hop over, who grabbed the dude, Chuck him over and he’s got

[00:43:44] Emily: the guarantee.

[00:43:44] Andrew: It shows there’s an EMT right off stage comes, grabs them. And they’ve got immediate attention. Like. These are all things that like it might be

[00:43:53] Emily: easier to do at smaller shows. Oh, totally. Part of the issue is the security at the bigger shows festivals is people sneaking in. So then suddenly your, your festival, uh, which was probably safe at a certain capacity is way over capacity.

[00:44:09] And that was a problem at Lala Lala 99. Sure. Not Lala. Um, I keep saying LOL Woodstock 99. That was the problem with 99 is that it was way over one of the problems. Lots was that 99. And then it was muddy at, at, um, Astro, which was not helpful. Right. People losing their footing, stressing out about that. And, um, yeah, but you know, they, they could do more with more people.

[00:44:40] For sure. More security.

[00:44:43] Andrew: It’s just layers. And I get like smaller venues, much easier to manage. The reality is that management has been seriously thought out and planned for it. So for everybody who wants to say, oh, like the fans of this other like genre, or just better fans, like, no, you’ve just gone to venues that have had contingency plans and you just didn’t know it because nobody died.

[00:45:05] Yeah.

[00:45:07] Emily: Yeah.

[00:45:11] not hard. No. Well, it says it didn’t make it seem effortless. Yeah.

[00:45:18] Andrew: They do work very hard and uh, yeah. Uh, most respect for the folks that work, those events. Yeah. Security in particular. Uh, yeah, it’s a big deal. Showy. Show him

[00:45:32] Emily: two. Yeah, it’s talking about lighter, lighter. Whoop. Do you want to kick off this?

[00:45:39] Andrew: Uh, I will kick it off by taking a deep breath.

[00:45:47] All right. Fender fenders doing it. They might somebody

[00:45:54] Emily: doing it.

[00:45:55] Andrew: They’re doing it. Pre PreSonus

[00:45:58] Emily: PreSonus I use PreSonus you do? I used studio one. Wow. I know. I’m the only person I know.

[00:46:10] Andrew: Well, I don’t know. I’ve heard it’s a cakewalk to use

[00:46:16] Emily: no that’s banned labs,

[00:46:19] Andrew: but was owned cakewalk. Wasn’t cakewalk owned by Gibson at one point in

[00:46:22] Emily: time. No, their band labs technology. I then if they were on my Gibson, I don’t know.

[00:46:29] Andrew: I may be misremembering. Um, anyways. Yeah. So offenders, fenders buying out PreSonus and, uh, there are so many thoughts, questions, um, and excitements

[00:46:41] Emily: questions.

[00:46:44] Andrew: So questions that I can think of off the top of my head, just after seeing that, I was like, why, why? Like what, what is it that PreSonus has the fender wanted? Is it the lineup? Is there a technology that’s proprietary that fender wanted to buy? It was part of it. Um, there’s a whole bunch of different reasons why large company by another large company.

[00:47:02] So that, that number one is wide. Number two is, uh, immediately just as a very large guitar manufacturer. I immediately find myself drawing comparisons to what gives and started doing, you know, uh, last couple of decades, which was buying out, you know, like care K and like other, other, uh, other smaller companies and just creating a conglomerate of Gibson family.

[00:47:24] Which they don’t own a whole lot of, any more they’ve had to then sell them off. And so Gibson his hand a little, my wife’s like, okay, like, are we going to see this happen again? But with fender this time, and if so, like how, or what are things that fender could be doing to avoid that? What are we looking for?

[00:47:42] Uh, yeah, those are the two primary questions that come to mind.

[00:47:47] Emily: Yeah. Well, I don’t exactly have any insider information first things first. Um, yeah. So if I did guess, I would guess that it’s more about the software, the plugins and things like that, and incorporating that into the technology that fender has been, um, implementing with like their Mustang series of guitar, amplifiers and rumble in the bass world, and perhaps even maybe their calves and stuff with the tone master series of eight.

[00:48:23] Yeah. So I kind of wonder if, if it’s a little bit into that, um, that would be my instinct here because I don’t see any other major reason. Um, I know that fender also is really getting into the, like with the fender play stuff. I wonder if, oh, my bad. That was not my knee. I promise. Uh, that would have been scary if it was put click.

[00:48:53] Uh, I wonder if it has something to do with like, um, fender play and maybe

[00:49:03] Andrew: I could see maybe like a fender play in studio, one mishmash of having a little bit more interactive content. Yeah. Right. Something like that could be super sad.

[00:49:13] Emily: Yeah. So maybe some, like, kind of like you were talking about cakewalk, which is now banned labs.

[00:49:19] Um, maybe something like that, maybe some sort of like community where you can learn songs that way and practice that way. Um, who knows. It’s really interesting to see, um, where they go with it, but I know that Fender’s really into research and making data-driven decisions as why they started fender play.

[00:49:44] That’s why they’ve done a lot more, um, marketing to women and BiPAP and, uh, not just white guys, basically. Uh, that’s why they diversified their marketing so much and why they’ve really doubled down on education. Um, knowing that people get frustrated with guitar after three months of playing it and get rid of it, giving away this free.

[00:50:10] Couple months with fender play to be like, Hey, will, you can learn guitar. And it’s really easy to learn from home. Uh, keeping people playing, keeps people buying, and, uh, hopefully it keeps them buying fender because it has such a great experience. So I wonder, I wonder, I wonder if it’s, if they have some other like nuggets of information that PreSonus could really help them with a little bit.

[00:50:37] Let’s see. What’s PreSonus

[00:50:38] Andrew: got these days. First of all, I would like to, I just looked it up to fact, check a cakewalk wasn’t on my Gibson and Gibson. Shut it. Shut her down in 2017, uh, effectively ceasing all operations and production and just left it as open source band lab acquired the IP for it in 2018 and then released a modified version called cakewalk by band lab.

[00:51:02] Emily: Nice. You remembered, so I’m most associate PreSonus with other software. Sure, but they also have some mixing systems, sample loop, libraries, controllers, audio interfaces, uh, microphones, speakers, virtual instruments, and effects.

[00:51:25] Andrew: I do wonder if that could also play into fender effects in the future,

[00:51:31] like digital effects maybe.

[00:51:34] Emily: Yeah. I mean, that’s, that’s what I was thinking. Like the analog chorus delay, analog effects collection that working into like the Mustang amps. Yeah. I wouldn’t, I would not be surprised at all. It’s probably a lot easier to, to buy a company that already does that really well.

[00:51:53] Andrew: Yep. And just say, Hey, can we just assign some, like, just change the scope of some of those projects, but within the same domain, same technology. And then we can leverage the results of those projects to, uh, bring other products to market. So kind of just shifting the direction of where PreSonus is probably going by having a marriage of the

[00:52:10] Emily: two.

[00:52:11] Yeah. I mean, I, I don’t use their effects as much just because I have so many, but when I use them, I like them. I mean, I, I, I paid for PreSonus fear. Like I pay for all of it. Right. So professional notion and all the software, like just to have it. So

[00:52:41] I’m not, I’m not, I’m not a shill in that regard. I, I just nearly like, PreSonus totally there’s symphony of Sony.

[00:52:52] Andrew: I’m very excited to see where this goes in terms of answering question number two, I think looking at how offender has managed some of its other acquisitions and, uh, it’s like Jackson and Gretsch and are the two that come to mind.

[00:53:13] I think they’ve done a fairly bang up job, as well as their own product development underneath the fender brand. I’m not terribly concerned about them, bungling it and kind of just spreading themselves too thin. There’s a whole lot of, it’s not, it doesn’t seem like it’s just a completely separate product, but it seems like there’s a whole lot of crossover between the two, which I think makes for a great merger.

[00:53:33] And I think that that by itself differentiates it, the situation from say Gibson, acquiring care, Kaylee, very different circumstances. Um, as far as I remember them. So I’m genuinely not very concerned about like, oh no, is this vendor going to pull a Henry J like, I don’t think so.

[00:53:53] Emily: No, no, I’m not so worried.

[00:53:55] I think if they want the technology and they want to be able to incorporate that and offer something, maybe to fender customers, um, and then they just let, pre-sentence keep being PreSonus. I think that’s probably going to be fine if they want to come in and make a lot of changes. I think that’s going to be like the problem, but I don’t know.

[00:54:20] I don’t, I don’t think I really know anybody who has a PreSonus audio interface.

[00:54:28] Andrew: I don’t know about an audio interface. I, I I’ve seen, or maybe a Mr. Memory. I want to say,

[00:54:35] Emily: I honestly looked pretty nice. The studio 18, uh, 18 tenancy. That’s pretty.

[00:54:45] Andrew: We can check it out.

[00:54:51] Emily: Now these lines, these line input levels. This is good. This, I don’t know how much it is. Sweetwater. How much are you? $419

[00:55:06] Andrew: for how many inputs

[00:55:08] Emily: for on the front.

[00:55:13] I have not looked at the whole images and

[00:55:15] Andrew: videos. It looks kind of nice if it was orange, I’d

[00:55:19] Emily: like it more four in the back. So total eight inputs to phone for, yeah, Midea eight. Add in.

[00:55:40] That’s actually pretty recently.

[00:55:48] Andrew: Yeah, that does look very reasonable. Yeah.

[00:55:55] Emily: Oh

[00:55:57] Andrew: yeah. Look at that. That does look kind of slick. I like the, uh, I liked the, the led LEDs on the front for the show clipping.

[00:56:09] Emily: I think that’s a lot better than just like the colors.

[00:56:12] Andrew: Yeah. I like color green color, orange color red. And that’s all the information you get. Like this gives you the whole scale.

[00:56:18] Emily: Yeah, seriously. And now I’m looking at the studio live AR 12. See the mixer. How much is that? I’m sticking with somewhere. I get a discount. 600 bucks. That’s it shit. With an SD reader or. Stop making me rethink my choices in life.

[00:56:43] Andrew: It’s too late. It’s going to

[00:56:44] Emily: happen now. It’s not too late. I know too late. I look at this little boy.

[00:56:54] I don’t know why I called. I call kids hard. You’re a little boy. Look at that little boy. This guy just sent you. This little mixer is $500.

[00:57:07] Andrew: Will anybody

[00:57:07] Emily: mixer an SD stereo recorder look a portable. It’s got Bluetooth. 5.0,

[00:57:17] that’s sorry. Six. All right.

[00:57:25] all right. I’m probably going to get a Soundcraft mixer for, um, the crash.

[00:57:30] Andrew: No, it’s too late. It’s still it. You have to do this now. Oh, my dog.

[00:57:35] Emily: No, I doll

[00:57:38] Andrew: a R a C. Sounds like the name of like a droid in star wars

[00:57:42] Emily: probably is. Yeah. You go with crazy names and the star wars things. Well,

[00:57:50] Andrew: this looks, I use this, this looks like a pretty decent little setup.

[00:57:55] Yeah, I did get,

[00:57:59] Emily: oh, the rain city rock camp auction is now. Oh, Ben. Let’s see if they ever got my note. My thing,

[00:58:09] Andrew: rain city rock camp. Yeah. That’s the rain city rock camp you may ask.

[00:58:15] Emily: Oh, you know, it’s just the lady rock camp and Seattle. Um, uh, why is so few things I just want to see? Wow. Ooh, I got a little, um, I, oh gosh, these are so.

[00:58:34] Hard to read. I’m just trying to see if the thing that I’m involved in it, I might be it’s possible. They asked me and I said, yes. So I don’t know where on the internets. Uh, they’re herders rivers, all their rights. Um, I just, so, um, uh, rockstar package rockstar. Okay. Have you been on the rockstar package on the rain city rock camp?

[00:59:22] Uh, for girls.school, auction dot rain city rock camp for girls@schoolauction.net. Uh, you can get mastering by Rachel field for up to three songs of average length, a 1.5 hour outdoor band photo session with two backdrops. Spend a half day with producer engineer, Don farewell at ear wig studio in a one-on-one guitar pedal consultation with Emily Harris from the get offset podcast.

[00:59:56] Andrew: Wow, very cool. It sounds like a good rockstar package.

[01:00:06] Emily: I feel like I’m the least valuable part of that package.

[01:00:12] Andrew: And does that make it not valuable?

[01:00:19] Emily: So you get five hours in the seat at URI CDO? Yes. You get mastering for three songs at the volume. You get it at 90 minutes,

[01:00:34] every mastery here in the world,

[01:00:40] master you get an hour Egon, 90 minute photo session. And then I get to the I’ll talk to you about guitar pedals. Amazing.

[01:00:54] Andrew: Well, there you go. That sounds like something worth bidding on. I don’t know about you.

[01:00:59] Emily: Yeah.

[01:01:02] Andrew: Well, enjoy the consultation. I’m going to enjoy these pickups.

[01:01:08] Emily: I am going to box and my Earthquaker devices, sleeveless sleeveless shirt.

[01:01:20] Andrew: I’m just going to. Toy around with the idea of firing up logic pro and then, you know, I have a fruit salad.

[01:01:35] Emily: I’m going to ham

[01:01:35] Andrew: it up a little bit. All right. Enjoy it. Just like chugging. It’s funny.

[01:01:43] Emily: Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Question mark. Thanks for understanding. So next time, my name is Emily

[01:01:50] Andrew: and my name is Andrew.