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#GuitarTok Talk Episode 4: Rare Guitars and How The Verve Lost Their Money

This week’s #GuitarTokTalk is nice, mellow, and a little educational. Enjoy!

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 [00:00:04] Emily: Welcome to get offset. Did you do something new to your hair? Yeah, it looks nice. All right. Well, it looks really, really swell. Today is thought someone should tell you, well, I’m Emily. This is get offset and you’re watching it gets hard. Talk, talk where I watch some guitar or at least music theme, take talks and talk about, um, uh, I hope you’re in for a fun one today.

 

[00:00:32] I’m going to go through my, for you page and pick out the musical, the musical thing. The musical talks. Just see what, see what the internet has for me today. See what it’s little crystal ball things I need in my life at this moment. So I’m glad you’re going to go through this journey with me. Obviously it’s a little bit cold in here.

[00:00:55] It’s cold in Seattle. I got my new hold steady first avenue had that. My mom got me for Christmas, really excited about it. So yeah, here’s the, here’s the rest of the video without further ado. I hope

[00:01:07] TikTok Person: you enjoy it.

[00:02:01] Emily: That was a really strong start. Oh,

[00:02:06] now I understand the text on the screen. I have a really soft spot in my heart for tears, for fears. I’ve never seen somebody play a double-neck guitar like that. And I would very much like to see more of that, please. I’m going to give a, that person and follow. That was great.

[00:02:47] you know, prince also basically just played like three notes per string. One note, one fret per Pinker. So that’s like, that’s pretty cool. It just takes a lot of practice playing that fast.

[00:03:01] TikTok Person: I can’t get any of my kids to practice. I swear like you, he stays for so, so can the music department, me, Paul, what?

[00:03:12] Well, in my experience, kids are typically more in private practice. If they find the music both fun and challenging, it’s your music on and challenging? Well, it’s always in a festival, not an answer just in a I’m. Can I see what the climate part looks like?

[00:03:27] Emily: Oh, yeah, that looks really fun. So if in case it’s too small, a lot of that clarinet part is a whole note, half note, half a half and a half at whole note, whole, a whole nother half don’t half that whole note, quarter, quarter, quarter.

[00:03:42] Oh gosh. And then the rest of the song is quarter, quarter, quarter, quarter eight. It’s just like holding the same note. Good. God that’s boring. It was like a trombone part.

[00:03:56] TikTok Person: You play trumpet, don’t you? Yeah.

[00:04:01] Yeah. Oh my

[00:04:02] Emily: God. Oh my God. Yeah, that was, um, that’s pretty,

[00:04:07] TikTok Person: pretty quick.

[00:05:07] Emily: Oh, man. That was pretty neat.

[00:05:33] Can we get more shirts that just have the lyrics, the way the lyrics sound versus like what they actually are supposed to be? Cause I like that.

[00:05:44] What lyrics would you have just are completely like, like if they were spelled out phonetically like that, man, just so much. So it’s

[00:05:54] TikTok Person: jibberish.

[00:05:59] Emily: That’s like a pretty clean break. That’s still sad.

[00:06:23] TikTok Person: We’ll see this

[00:06:29] there’s the clamp

[00:06:33] set up.

[00:06:35] Emily: At the phones deserve to be saved also

[00:06:56] TikTok Person: buffet up.

[00:07:00] How’s it. Look

[00:07:01] Emily: though.

[00:07:04] TikTok Person: Probably

[00:07:05] Emily: better than you say, cause say what glue is stronger than mud. Well, I don’t really understand the rolling off of the volume knob. The electronics were never the concern there, but yeah, that looks nice. They’re nice. Good work. Doing doing the lawyers’ work, saving, saving guitar.

[00:07:26] TikTok Person: Pete Townsend is an absolute genius when it comes to rhythm guitar. Here’s the intro to pinball wizard. Watch how he manipulates this B minor chord and does something completely, other than.

[00:07:57] Pete Townsend is an absolute genius when it comes to rhythm guitar. Here’s the intro to pinball wizard. Watch how he manipulates this B minor chord, something completely.

[00:08:29] Emily: That’s definitely interesting. It’s playing around with voicings and stuff. I wonder how much of it is like what he knew he was doing versus just like going off of instincts. I imagine a lot of instincts there. Um, probably not a lot of what people were doing. People do it a lot more. Now it’s only hear on the radio kind of incessantly that has, uh, something very similar to that going on.

[00:08:52] It’s very distantly. And I imagined it was very much inspired by some Pete Townsend guitar. That’s really cool. You know? Cause there, there are things that like they’re, they’re kind of tropes now that you kind of take for granted a lot. And a big reason is because I guess that’s to say sometimes you go back and you listen to things or you watch TV shows like, uh, I think a great example is you go back.

[00:09:19] Sometimes you watch the twilight’s. And even if you’ve never seen the episode before, you can kind of guess what’s going to happen, like go back and watch eye of the beholder. If you’ve never seen it, this, I turned up. And tell me, you don’t see that twist coming, but you see that’s what’s coming because so many people had their just little minds blown in 1960s, by that particular episode of the Twilight zone and, you know, made their own kind of version of that.

[00:09:48] So. The music kind of works the same way. Sometimes you go back and you listen to things like in reverse, like we do, because, you know, we hear was on the radio and then we work our way backwards more often than not. Um, so if you, if you do that without like the proper appreciation or understanding of what’s happening, it’s easy to feel like, oh, everybody does that.

[00:10:10] But you know, everybody didn’t always do that. It’s just who is the first person to do that and is the right person getting credit and just trying to make sure, you know, the right people get credit is, is, is a bit of a tough, tough one. You got to kind of try, like you can’t be given Elvis Presley credit for like hound dog, you know, I think.

[00:10:38] Alright.

[00:11:09] That was really nice, the best way to do a tech. Talk to your why that is to, um, download the video and then. You would actually like in like premier pro or something and record the guitar part on your own, it’s kind of a mess to actually do it and do it. Nope.

[00:11:23] TikTok Person: Can you bang this riff with only two notes?

[00:11:31] Emily: That’s definitely. Yeah. Oh, it’s the guy from lit. I saw another good tick-tock though. It’s like, what is the guy from lift? Forgot the rest of the riff. And it goes,

[00:12:05] TikTok Person: Yeah, that was pretty good. I like that.

[00:12:12] Emily: Well, I love Kimia Dawson.

[00:12:18] I don’t want to get to take Dennis, but I love Kimmy Dawson. If you don’t listen to Kimmy Dawson and give her a

[00:12:22] TikTok Person: lesson.

[00:12:31] so, um,

[00:12:34] Emily: I’m just going to pull this up. The verb and the, oh, oh, you can’t see it. Oh, darn. Let me just move it over. I was going to Google this for y’all so you can see the difference. The Verve and oh God, why is it not working the way I want it to? You can see all them, those Google things. I was just looking at how to make tortillas, the Verve and the Verve pipe are two different bands.

[00:13:03] The verb did bittersweet symphony. Um, fun story is, um, okay, I’m going to stop that. So, um, story time, let’s talk about the verb a little bit. Um,

[00:13:22] so not to be confused, it actually says here not to be confused with, uh, the Verve pipe. Or Verve music group. So, um, the verb, I think very famously their song was bittersweet symphony, which I think most people really mostly know for the de it’s very famously used that sample from a rolling stone song.

[00:13:52] The problem was they did not ask for permission. And when you don’t ask for permission, when it comes to copyright infringement, uh, you do have to ask for forgiveness and, uh, you know, the phrase it’s better to ask for forgiveness than permission does not apply to copyright infringement because, you know, yes, they can say no.

[00:14:21] Um, for when you asked for, from us. But for forgiveness doesn’t really apply. What they do instead is they can do with the rolling stones did, which is take all of the publishing when they went to other court case. So the verb effectively makes zero money from that song outside of like mechanical royalties.

[00:14:46] So, um, let’s see if there’s actually anything in there about

[00:14:51] TikTok Person: the, let’s see.

[00:14:55] Emily: Bittersweet symphony. There we go. I know you can’t read this. Um, obviously the credits dispute the string ref is from, uh, the rolling stones on the last time. So the verb negotiated rights to use the five sample ref from DECA, but the not pertain obtain permission for the rolling stones manager who actually did own the copyright to the band’s pre they sent me recordings including that one.

[00:15:27] So they didn’t get the rights from the right people. Huge mistake on their part. And they didn’t get a license for the sample, bigger mistake, uh, that led to a loss with ABCA records, the holding company they had, and a lot of stuff is my understanding. I think, I think I met with them once for school at some point, um, the Verve relinquish, all royalties to climb.

[00:15:54] That’s huge and bad. And that really, really, really, really sucks for them. Um, the, in those cases you can also ask that all existing copies are destroyed and that’s happened once or twice, but it’s literally impossible to, um, to do now, especially, um, but I feel like that’s happened once or twice. Like when the actual copyright holder had like a moral disagreements, um, Yeah.

[00:16:23] So the song writing credits were changed to Jagger Richards and Ashcroft received a thousand dollars. Ooh,

[00:16:31] TikTok Person: Ooh.

[00:16:32] Emily: That hurts, uh, Verve basis to explain, we were told it’s going to be 50, 50 split. Then they saw how well the record was doing. They ring it up. We said, we want a hundred percent or take out all the stuff, you know, how much choice.

[00:16:47] Ashcroft sarcastically said, this is the best song Jagger and Richards have written in 20 years. Noting it was rolling stone as big as UK hit since brown sugar. I think there were some there’s a little bit of bitterness there.

[00:17:57] TikTok Person: they did

[00:17:57] Emily: a really good job.

[00:18:08] okay. Now they’re actually switching off.

[00:18:14] Still looks tricky. Your visibility’s messed up.

[00:18:37] TikTok Person: well done.

[00:18:38] Emily: Well, Done. That was really, that was really good. That’s really good. Five ribs

[00:18:44] TikTok Person: they get in the kids lit

[00:18:49] I guess none indicated anymore.

[00:18:59] Spanned.

[00:19:11] I do like their tower.

[00:19:27] I know the strokes, but online.

[00:19:34] Five risks, five risks.

[00:19:40] I

[00:19:40] Emily: feel like I could have, maybe I should pick some different rifts that might get indie kids that were my age would just be vampire weekend in MGMT.

[00:19:52] TikTok Person: Maybe,

[00:19:53] Emily: maybe I should do that. Eat your elder millennial eight, like true millennials, elder millennials. It’d be like all smashing pumpkins and, and stuff like that.

[00:20:05] Why was I say this? So some of the downs literally so stupid and others make sense that rip suck and do not go hard. Search does not have one of the greatest voices and they, the.

[00:20:24] TikTok Person: I don’t

[00:20:24] Emily: like her opinion.

[00:20:33] TikTok Person: okay. Okay, then we’re trying to play rush song with a small drum kit. Ooh, good luck buddy.

[00:21:00] Emily: I know it’s supposed to be good, but some of these are funnier.

[00:21:05] TikTok Person: I don’t know if cats can feel happiness, but I hope she’s happy. She can be

[00:21:41] no, just the cat, the cat there.

[00:21:52] That was intense. Okay.

[00:22:24] that sounds right. I

[00:22:33] Emily: can take down to the snow. I look at the next

[00:22:36] TikTok Person: video.

[00:23:16] that was fine. That’s nice.

[00:23:21] Emily: I don’t know if I would call that.

[00:23:27] By like videos of people showing their creative processes. And I’m not going to fault anybody for that. All right. Let’s see what, oh, nice. All right. Let’s see what happens. I’m not sure I’m going to like, know what happened.

[00:23:44] TikTok Person: When this happened,

[00:24:13] just messing around.

[00:24:17] Emily: Feels good when you and your band are on the same page, really does. Uh, I don’t want to get a take down notice today.

[00:24:29] TikTok Person: We start on it. Let’s add

[00:25:25] Emily: So, if you’re wondering what guitar that is, it says only two were ever made in black Rick Nielson’s 1961 Gibson EMS 1235. So yeah, man, that guy is that guy, something else. That’s incredible. Nice. And, uh, I really appreciate being taken on that journey with him.

[00:25:50] TikTok Person: Cool. All right.

[00:25:53] Emily: What do we think about that?

[00:25:54] What do we think about all that tick tock? I think rather fondly upon. Good stopping place. That’s so good. Let’s watch it again.

[00:26:06] TikTok Person: At least part of it.

[00:26:33] Emily: That was so nice, man. I loved that. I really loved. Well, that was really fun. Nothing, nothing too spicy, nothing too feisty. Uh, some really nice wholesome content. You know, I kinda needed that. Uh, and I got to talk about the verb, which is, which is fun. Uh, always kind of fun. Talk about, uh, oh, you know, not, not, maybe not fun for the verb.

[00:26:59] They kind of lost a lot of money in that.

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[00:27:49] Uh, so stay tuned to see what else we’re up to. Um, yeah, but that’s all I’ve got for you for today. Uh, hope to see you next time on guitar TalkTalk. Never never going to say that in normal way. Never. Well, you know, until next time, my name is Emily. Thanks for watching. And thanks for understanding goodbye.