Episode 102: Mrs. Smith’s Antifa Niece

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Andrew: [00:00:00] welcome to the get offset podcast. My name is Andrew.

Emily: [00:00:15] My name is Emily.

Mrs. Smith: [00:00:17] And I’m mrs. Smith,

Emily: [00:00:27] that might be the first musical intro we’ve ever had. Somehow

Mrs. Smith: [00:00:31] I’ve got my get off pedal here, um, with your black lives matter, uh, pedal cover sent to me by you guys. So I’m on, I’m using it. All

Emily: [00:00:45] right. Andrew’s a BLM Antifa pedal.

Mrs. Smith: [00:00:50] That’s right.

Andrew: [00:00:53] Love it.

Emily: [00:00:54] You know, it’s a Marxist organization,

Andrew: [00:00:57] right. Because that’s a bad thing.

Um,

Emily: [00:01:02] depends on, on how rich you are. I guess

Andrew: [00:01:05] I know.

Emily: [00:01:08] I was very political very early in the morning,

Andrew: [00:01:10] you know, it’s like, I’ve got like three sips of caffeine. I’m like, all right, here we go. We’re taking on centuries of political science,

Emily: [00:01:18] drinking coffee. I’m drinking. I’m almost out of a can.

Andrew: [00:01:21] I’m not actually drinking coffee.

I’m drinking a caffeinated seltzer water because there was no left to leftover coffee and the craft that I could microwave. Oh,

Emily: [00:01:29] gross.

Andrew: [00:01:31] Yeah. That’s usually most

Emily: [00:01:32] regarding the coffee, not the, the seltzer. I’ve. I’ve I’ve. I’ve down some high balls and caffeinated high balls

Andrew: [00:01:39] just needed to grab something this morning.

Right? Yeah. Well, welcome to the show. It’s so good to have you on.

Mrs. Smith: [00:01:47] Thank you so much for having me, Andrew and Emily.

Andrew: [00:01:51] The pleasure is all mine. None of it, family. It’s just mine.

Emily: [00:01:56] No, my pleasure. No pleasure in this house for

Mrs. Smith: [00:01:58] women. There’s no pleasure in the world anymore. Just work. Um, you know, I just to be asked and so aligned with your.

Mission. And I think what your kids are doing is great and I’m really excited for the chat.

Emily: [00:02:14] Thank you. That means a lot. That means a lot, you know, one cat lady to another.

Mrs. Smith: [00:02:20] Yes. Yes. We have to stay United across all fronts.

Emily: [00:02:24] Yes. We all have that in common.

Mrs. Smith: [00:02:26] Well, you know, I’m from really pushing the dams. Um, I mean, I’ve.

Since been totally, almost totally radicalized. I wasn’t a Republican in the sixties and then I moved down. I am, and now I’m almost a communist and, uh, but I still, you know, I still am. I’m in that world. I serve on some boards and I’m trying to get the Dems. As I have been since Obama to, uh, include a universal health care for cats, bill a universal veterinary health care.

And, you know, you would think that this is an issue that all had owners, whatever their political Stripe could unite on, but there are even some, this is how polarized we are. The sad that even some who call themselves cat lovers, that will not support universal veterinary coverage for our kiddies. It’s

Emily: [00:03:13] so sad.

So sad. I mean, Carrie needs to go see a doctor, princess, Carrie Fisher, sometimes.

Mrs. Smith: [00:03:18] Exactly. You get

Emily: [00:03:19] such a slew of health conditions

Mrs. Smith: [00:03:21] and you don’t want to worry about a copay. You want to make sure that the cab ride over there is covered that every little possible contingency is planned for, um, advanced procedures.

Even some if need be cosmetic procedures, for instance, glass eyes, you want all of these things to be covered. And yes, by the government. Yes. By the taxpayer. Uh, I’m looking at you, Jeff Bezos. Um, and yet we’ve got to get, you said tax payer, the hardworking man. Fair. Yes. That’s true. He’s got it all hidden, hidden in, in

papers.

Andrew: [00:04:18] maybe jump out of my seat.

Emily: [00:04:20] That was a good one.

Mrs. Smith: [00:04:22] Thanks papers. I can do a cover of that Panama papers.

Andrew: [00:04:31] Do you

Mrs. Smith: [00:04:31] do to Panama? The Panama papers was a complete non-event news. Everyone was like, yeah. You know, so what you know, and it took me years to watch the documentary. The documentary is fantastic. These hundreds of journalists, hundreds and hundreds of journalists collaborating.

Around the world to make sense of this, the largest trove of data ever dropped. And you know, one of the fears they had about publishing, it was like, yeah, everybody knows rich people had their money and nobody cares because everybody hopes someday there’ll be rich and they’ll have to hide their money.

We’ve got a long way to go when it comes to taking care of our fellow humans.

Emily: [00:05:11] Yeah, the thing, the thing I’ve learned growing up in like rural Ohio, around a lot of very conservative minded, blue collar focus, that they, they tend to think that they’re just temporarily not rich and that someday they’re going to be very rich.

Mrs. Smith: [00:05:26] It

Emily: [00:05:26] seems to literally be how it is.

Mrs. Smith: [00:05:29] Yes. We need a new working class pride, um, working class Paul’s so you need to revise that idea because it’s a masculinist image, isn’t it? It draws to mind and industrial worker, patriarchal father supporting the family, the wife at home, heterosexual white, all that stuff.

That’s great. We want, we want him in the union. You are welcome and, and your spouse, and we want, you are part of the American pastiche yes. Of the beautiful rainbow of Crayola crayons. But it also includes the freelancer doing underpaid digital work in Brooklyn, and they don’t know how to pay their rent.

It includes so many people who are working class and we really got to bash this Kardashians prism. Um, this it’s so obscene and it’s become the conspicuousness of the consumption of the display, the shameless display of extreme wealth. Say what you will about the Rockefellers and let you know the Carnegie.

I mean, Andrew Carnegie was no, he was no angel. And I, I knew him. I knew people who knew him. He was no angel, but they at least. Believed, you know, you don’t display your wealth. You, you, you, you, you you’re behind a wall, you know, and then, but what do you do? You build a beautiful concert hall for the people, for everyone to enjoy at great expense, to help make a city beautiful and to help people here.

W why, why did he make Carnegie hall? So that music will be beautiful for the people. So even as he was at that moment, the templates for the industrialist millionaire, he gave away all of his money before he died. Oh.

Emily: [00:07:18] And so know that

Mrs. Smith: [00:07:19] you see, and no angel, he broke strikes, et cetera, et cetera. But he left us such a beautiful building.

And it’s like, you see how far we’ve fallen? During that time I live in New York city. So of course I’m always thinking about these things I’m driving around and I’m seeing grand central terminal, you know, again, Cornelius Vanderbilt. Another one.

Emily: [00:07:41] Yeah. I know that someone from the Seagram’s fortune had a, put a lot of money into that sex cult Nexium.

That’s an example I got

Mrs. Smith: [00:07:49] right now. There’s some, there’s some, you know, socialite, millionaire, benevolent person who wants to pay $150 million to build a strange floating Island that five people can stand on off of Manhattan. I mean, it’s, we just don’t, it’s just the brand juror of something, the central terminal or Carnegie hall we’d lost.

It’s just the ambition for public giving and public service is not there. We need to tax these people. It’s a, we can get all complicated about the politics, but it just really comes down to the very unglamorous and uninteresting tax. Welcome to our fabulous podcast.

Emily: [00:08:26] This podcast is about guitars.

Mrs. Smith: [00:08:29] Chats is coming for you.

Y’all gonna pay more in them. You’re a rich person. You’re gonna pay more taxes.

Emily: [00:08:43] Yeah.

Mrs. Smith: [00:08:47] Feel free to cut that entire section.

Andrew: [00:08:51] No, that’s gold. That’s gold.

Mrs. Smith: [00:08:56] I don’t get to talk about this stuff with most of these. Podcasts.

Emily: [00:09:00] They’re like no

Andrew: [00:09:04] needs to be talked about. It needs to this, this is a sort of thing, whether it be in our industry or anywhere else, it’s so relevant to where we’re at right now. And to have the opportunity to be able to have that discussion respectfully and.

Uh, to be able to make jokes about it. It just, just completely foil some of the way that we we’ve seen these discussions had, whether it be in the Facebook comments or, or elsewhere

Mrs. Smith: [00:09:28] just

Andrew: [00:09:29] is, it’s always super refreshing.

Mrs. Smith: [00:09:31] It’s very hard because I’m, double-minded about it. And anyone who follows me closely, it’s so clear that I’m double-minded because I am an emotional person.

And I, I struggled to maintain emotional equilibrium. I’m going to be honest. Why? Because my best friend who happens to be a cat Carlyle is not in my  life. Okay. He’s not with me physically. He’s with me spiritually. He’s not dead, he’s alive, but he’s not by my side. And I am almost on the edge of buying a little kitten.

And getting my pet psychic to do a body switch. That’s how desperate I am. And I am consulting global cat bioethicist to know is it ethical to transport the soul of a kitten into my Carlyle? And then we’ll search for Carlyle, which will be the new kitten. And then when they’re reunited, we’ll redo the switch.

This is why I have no equilibrium. I mean, I had no equilibrium when I had Carlisle too. So it’s just an issue, but it’s more of an issue. And also in these times, so much stress. And so I started when the thing was elected, I said, don’t talk about it. Don’t talk about it. I don’t my first thought when he was elected, I was, of course I was shocked to see the map turn red, and I thought this is suspicious.

I don’t, I sense interference. I’m not a big Russia gate type, but it’s clear that there was interference. I don’t think he’s, you know, on the take with them. I just think he’s an opportunist. But when the thing was elected, I said, don’t just, don’t give him any oxygen stay focused. But I did make a show that was focused around my being, um, taken captive by a Norwegian death metal band and the Stockholm syndrome, because I felt that we were living through the Stockholm syndrome with him.

And so I kind of just did it like it displaced, you know, see disguised and people could send it’s that the show is about this dilemma, but. As of, you know, March when now he’s killing people and with the income inequality and the climate, I just said, I, if I stay silent, it’s like, I’m, I’m just, I’m being opportunistic.

And I’m saying, well, I want more people to stream my music and not be offended by what I’m saying and unfollow me than making a difference. And it felt. Uh, not right, but what I will say, and this is a long song, feel free to edit. But what I will say is this, when I speak out, it’s been very hard because then the comment threads become very angry.

And I don’t like

Emily: [00:12:20] that quickly

Mrs. Smith: [00:12:21] very quickly. And then I think created a little room in my world. And when I opened the door, this people throwing knives at each other, and then I blocking people and. And that feels gross. And it just, and I know that the algorithms are such that when that activity is happening on a thread, it gets promoted and more people see it.

And it just I’ve struggled with how to do it in approach social way.

Andrew: [00:12:53] Oh, absolutely. One quick question to clarification just for, for anyone who might not have picked up on it so far. The thing we’re talking about the Tangerine Palpatine, correct.

Mrs. Smith: [00:13:06] We’re talking about the, um, man-child narcissistic personality disorder. The dysfunctional father at the head of the family table.

And then seated next to, is the spouse saying, I don’t say that. Why are you taking everything? He says, so seriously, that’s your, your problem is that you’re taking everything so seriously, you know, and then not

Andrew: [00:13:28] Thanksgiving vibes like

Mrs. Smith: [00:13:29] Chrissy. And then next to him is the older brother who tries to outdo him by being even crueler and as a torture, then there’s the, the daughter who is acting out in outrageous ways with.

Um, you know, older men, you know, that we’ve all become the symptomology. Yeah. Uh, I suggest everyone have a look at adult children of alcoholics and dysfunctional families because we all start to fulfill our role. And I found myself fulfilling a role. I would, I would post something and then I would get so angry at the response that I would then post more to make them more angry.

And so. You know, that’s not, that’s now I’m in the dynamic. I don’t have my freedom. I’m not free. I’m not free at all. I’m not choosing and acting out of emotion. And so it’s, it can trap you. It’s like, you’re you, you think you’ve escaped the room only to realize there’s another escape hatch

Emily: [00:14:28] and it takes so much practice to, to disassociate those things.

So like the stop to realize why you’re doing the way, the things that you’re doing. And I have had,

Mrs. Smith: [00:14:39] I have had so much therapy and psychiatry, psychoanalysis. I have group therapies. I’ve done so much work and it’s all it’s layer after layer. And I find my trauma issues are more triggered now than ever.

And what I’m hearing from people in the recovery communities is that. You know, folks with longterm sobriety are losing their sobriety, the stress of the pandemic, the stress of having this man’s ideas broadcast into our world. If he was a, I don’t really believe there’s such a thing as a principled Republican, but let’s say it was Mitt Romney.

You know, policy wise, I policy wise, I would have a lot to say to someone like that, but there would not be that dysfunctional personality. Which is a whole other drama that has unleashed it’s like,

Emily: [00:15:32] do you think Mitt Romney would have told people to not wear masks or even George W. Bush for that matter?

Mrs. Smith: [00:15:38] Ronald

Andrew: [00:15:38] Reagan, there there’s at least a level of. Of at least public dignity policy be damned, at least there’s this standard for what public discourse looked like. And of course it gets snippy and a little disrespectful at times. And this is, this is 100% a departure from every socially acceptable norm that we’ve had up until this point.

Yeah, the roads, the whole dynamic.

Emily: [00:16:04] Now what needs to realize and people on both sides, too.

Mrs. Smith: [00:16:07] What we said is the cruelty that he flagrantly displays, uh, which is, uh, is the, the autocrats cruelty and, and, and also the trolling that he does is meant to convey that I have power and I will exert power. You regardless of the truth, that’s why he can change his positions and his followers just think it’s great.

Th the, the, the fact is that these principled quote, unquote conservatives, they wanted all of that to be subtext. They want it to be, to say F Reagan, George Bush, and even some of the Democrats, you hard working Americans read white, suburban. Americans, uh, you know, don’t want to be afraid of crime, you know, interpret that.

Black people, you know, they wanted all of the racism and all of that to be subtext, and they wanted to exploit it for their political purposes and then transfer wealth to the ultra wealthy and they thought they could get away with it. Well, guess what was being built in the underground bunker a monster and it’s come up from the underground and it’s eating you too.

Emily: [00:17:17] That seems to be the case. Yeah. Yeah. Should we talk about guitars

Mrs. Smith: [00:17:25] guitars in the world still?

Andrew: [00:17:43] alright, Emily, what’s new with you this week.

Mrs. Smith: [00:17:46] Well,

Emily: [00:17:47] I think the, the biggest, uh, what’s new with me that I feel like talking about is, uh, On October 2nd, I’m moderating a panel for the guitar.com live of virtual guitar show and conference. And

Mrs. Smith: [00:18:02] which panel I’m doing a panel.

Emily: [00:18:04] Yeah, I’m doing one then with Eric, from living room gear, demos and grant from Goodwood audio about perfecting your pedal pedalboard.

So how many wall pedals should a pedalboard have at a minimum?

Mrs. Smith: [00:18:16] Well, I have the, I have the ultimate wall pedal board of doom. We’ll talk about that after, um, this fantastic. I want to tune in for yours. So we’ll connect offline about the, the, when, where,

Emily: [00:18:28] yeah, it’s, uh, the first day in the smallest room. And, um, I’ll just send it to you when, when we’re done, we’re recording it on Tuesday.

So the day that this episode is dropping, um, so if you had listened to this podcast before noontime Pacific on a. On Tuesday, the 29th, uh, get getting your, getting your questions and they might get asked. I’ve got a few questions so far, that kind of, kind of interesting, but I wasn’t expecting, as people are asking, um, about the actual pedal board versus the pedals on it, because like everybody talks about the Pelosi put on the board, but they never talk about the board itself.

Like, okay, well, I guess we’ll talk about boards themselves.

Mrs. Smith: [00:19:12] My thing with pedal boards is it has to be, needs to be as low profile as possible because I’m often rehearsing, you know, at home, I’m not always standing up and replicating the stage dynamic. And so then when I get on stage and Whoa, this, this Wawa pedal is tilted weird.

Turn off my balance. Oh no, I’m falling, you know? Oh, I’m off balance. You know, my face just hit the mic, stand lipstick on the mic. Now what, you know what? You, there’s always something with you. You know, the, the it’s it’s so exquisite, the balance that’s required on stage. And I don’t like to, I don’t like it to be high off the ground.

So Sweetwater, when they made mine, they were little nubbins on the bottom that they even took off.

Emily: [00:20:02] Oh,

Mrs. Smith: [00:20:04] that’s awesome. Yeah,

Andrew: [00:20:05] nice. A low profile flat board. I

Mrs. Smith: [00:20:07] like it.

Emily: [00:20:09] Yeah. I have a flop. I have a flat board that I use with Sunday crash, uh, primarily, and then I have a couple of bigger tilted ones that I haven’t quite built yet, but yeah, I’m I’m with you.

I prefer, I prefer the flatter stuff, especially if I have to work a volume pedal during a, during a song. I know that it means I can’t put the power underneath the board very often, but whatever.

Andrew: [00:20:31] I’ve always gone with the tilted board, uh, up until recently. And I did, uh, my current main rig is on an Ikea cutting board.

Uh, and I I’ve actually been, I still tiered it using some, uh, some risers for the back two rows, but I’ve, I’ve kind of actually really enjoyed the switch to the flat board. It just feels a lot. It feels really nice. Yeah. I S and I’m a short guy. So like, if it’s up a couple inches, like, it looks like I, my knee is like up at a right angle.

Mrs. Smith: [00:21:06] So

Emily: [00:21:09] yeah, I’ve never thought about that. But

Mrs. Smith: [00:21:13] wearing a skirt, you have to be mindful of front row,

Emily: [00:21:17] especially if the skirt is above the knee. Now in school, we always got the rule. If you wear a skirt, it has to be at least mid calf, because if you’re sitting there. Playing your trombone or whatever people underneath you can see exactly what’s happening when you’re sitting.

Andrew: [00:21:33] Wait, wait, wait. You had a, they didn’t have rules for guys. What.

Mrs. Smith: [00:21:42] I doubt that that’s because people weren’t able to catch a view of your luscious knees when you were wearing pants. Andrew don’t wear

Emily: [00:21:51] no wear your Chubbies onstage was probably, if you showed up wearing a pair of gloves, you probably would have been like, no, go home, go home and change.

Andrew: [00:21:59] Sky’s outsize out.

Am I right? No,

Emily: [00:22:03] I like that better than suns out guns out. The sky is out. That’s like, that’s like when the smoke cleared in Seattle. Oh my God. The sky,

Andrew: [00:22:13] the sky is awake. So my thigh is awake. Okay. That sounds weird. I’m never going to say that again.

Emily: [00:22:19] It sounds like a Jeep, like a guided by voices lyric, honestly.

Andrew: [00:22:25] Mrs. Smith, what’s new with you this week.

Mrs. Smith: [00:22:28] So, um, I’m getting ready to release a song and video called Antifa niece. Um, it’s just, it’s just a cute little, a song that’s meant to, um, you know, not be controversial in the least, um, just something, you know, for T to, to divert people from all of this crazy news and, um, And then I too will be doing the guitar comm live conference thing.

I will be part of a panel and also my own workshop. Uh, the workshop is called tread for success. And so, um, I will be dealing with some sort of shred kind of advice playing. And the panel is, uh, the great guitar debate. It’s sort of all the, um, I, you know, truthfully, I don’t understand half of what we’re talking about.

I think they’re one of the things that we’re saying is like, should Dumbledore even be allowed to be an amplifier. And I was like, I love the Dumbledore is, and so I do all this Googling. Um, it’s a lot of in the weeds gear stuff that, um, I really can’t be bothered to care about. So Brian Burke

Emily: [00:23:37] from 60 cycle hum.

Hosting that one.

Mrs. Smith: [00:23:41] Yes. Yes. And he said, he’s gonna give me Cliff’s notes. Nice. No, I just have to get some opinions on things, you know, I’m there to be the court gesture. Of course.

Emily: [00:23:57] Well, don’t tell Mike Adams that, cause I think

Mrs. Smith: [00:23:59] Dumbledore is gay.

Emily: [00:24:01] Yes, he is because I actually, I stopped reading the Harry Potter books after the fourth one, just too many words.

Mrs. Smith: [00:24:10] I never went there.

Emily: [00:24:12] I bet Andrew read Andrew, either read them all or wasn’t allowed to read them. So we have to leave the left behind series and stuff.

Mrs. Smith: [00:24:19] Andrew had to read the, you know, the rapture he had were all, all the films that you watched on VHS bad, special effects, rapture music, videos.

Andrew: [00:24:32] You guys are about 85% on point having terrible flashbacks to childhood.

Now,

Emily: [00:24:38] did you really have to read the left behind books instead of Harry Potter?

Andrew: [00:24:42] He did not have to. However, they were one of the only interesting things on the shelf. I was not allowed to read Harry Potter.

Emily: [00:24:49] Oh, my God mom is so cool.

Andrew: [00:24:53] She, she has come a long way. And so have I,

Mrs. Smith: [00:24:58] the, the, the, the, what those films sort of really represent, I think is just how tragic all consumers culture

Andrew: [00:25:06] is.

What’s that how tragic Nicholas Cage’s career is?

Mrs. Smith: [00:25:11] Oh, why did he, what did he go, Christian?

Emily: [00:25:14] No, that was, um, that was perfect. Kirk from someone from the growing pains show. Did all this

Mrs. Smith: [00:25:20] stuff, Kirk, um, Kirk, not Kirk Kirk, Cameron, Kirk, Nana MRR.

Andrew: [00:25:26] Yes. The, the, the greatest director of Christian film of all time.

Mrs. Smith: [00:25:30] Well, what it points to is just, I love the idea of sort of, I mean, I, on one sense, I kind of appreciate it. The subcultural nature of it. It’s sort of always interesting when, when subcultures have to make culture and they try to mimic. Mainstream big budget culture, but they don’t have the money for it.

Right. That’s always sort of entertaining too

Andrew: [00:25:52] lately, the dynamic and it, uh, growing up and being kind of just immersed in that and then kind of getting like moving away to college and then all of my other, um, less conservative friends mean like you never, you never watched sure. Read Harry Potter. What, how, how.

Emily: [00:26:13] Now you never will.

Andrew: [00:26:15] Well, and I did, um, I did after, um, after Melissa and I got married, she accepted me for who I was, but then forced me to improve. And so I read through all the books and then I watched all the movies and I I’ve done. I think of read books

Emily: [00:26:29] are so long, dude. They’re so long. So many words.

The,

Andrew: [00:26:33] I don’t mind reading.

Mrs. Smith: [00:26:34] I

Emily: [00:26:35] love reading. I just don’t. I just,

Mrs. Smith: [00:26:37] yeah.

Andrew: [00:26:38] Well, so in the, in the same. In the same token, uh, pun intended. I also grew up reading because this is Christian approved, uh, the, uh, the middle earth sort of thing. So as the Silmarillion and the Hobbit and the Lord of the rings trilogy and all of that, that’s I grew up reading dat in Chronicles, Narnia, and that’s in a much more.

Mrs. Smith: [00:27:03] Cultural Christian,

Emily: [00:27:04] the Christian fantasy books and stuff.

Andrew: [00:27:06] Right. But those are so much better than the left behind stuff, which is I could, you guys probably don’t want this, but I could go into a rant on how biblically inaccurate, all of that is and how. How much damage that has done to an entire generation of

Emily: [00:27:22] one year bonus episodes for Patriana that.

So Willie’s donate $5 to our patriotic,

Mrs. Smith: [00:27:30] very

Emily: [00:27:31] long

Mrs. Smith: [00:27:31] ranch for you. Hard to defend. Anyway, I mean, I think that the, the, the, I mean, maybe you’re saying the, well, I mean, as I understand it, the issue with the Bible emerged when it began to be misinterpreted as logos versus versus mythos. Yes. So, uh, you, it wasn’t good that the stories in the Bible are a psychological experience.

Okay. These are, these are fables, basically. This is religion is how people did psychology before they had psychology and

Emily: [00:28:02] tables without animals.

Mrs. Smith: [00:28:04] Exactly. And, and then we had to, uh, and then people said, Oh no, no, no, no, this is actually real. You know, you know, she really did come from his rib. It’s like, okay, no, this is not scientific fact.

And uh, and now here we are. Um, but for a long time time, people understood these to be myths, to live by. Am I on my off base about that?

Andrew: [00:28:29] You’re correct to a degree and to, to briefly dare, you know,

Mrs. Smith: [00:28:36] I come here into your home. You serve me caffeinated sparkling water, and then you,

Andrew: [00:28:43] I know, I know.

Mrs. Smith: [00:28:45] I think that idea is Karen McDonald’s.

I think that idea is Karen McDonald’s in her history of Christianity, but go continue.

Andrew: [00:28:53] I will caveat all of this with this is my. The understanding based on what I learned in my undergrad theology degree. And by there is several perspectives on this, but the perspective that I tend to ascribe to is looking at things from a biblical literature perspective is there’s so many different forms of literature throughout what’s considered the canonical Bible that was.

Around 380, a council of Nicea, all that good stuff. Uh, so based on that particular text, as we’ve accepted it, there’s several sections that are definitely not meant to be historically taken. And it wasn’t until about the 18 hundreds in Western, uh, what was to become evangelicalism that, that literalism started to happen kind of on the backside of this hellfire and brimstone rhetoric.

So.

Mrs. Smith: [00:29:40] It was a response to empiricism because the material world, we began to be mapped with such great precision by science that then religions started to in a way, use the rules of empiricism too. But to set it against something that. Is is again, it’s there’s logos and mythos logos is logic mythos. These are two separate realms.

And so, yeah,

Andrew: [00:30:03] well that, that’s also a great concept in Greek. The only, only even just chunks in the new Testament or in Greek. And if you were looking at Hebrew and Aramaic for the rest of it, and that’s an even older, that’s an even older culture and even more ancient level of breaking down the how truth is portrayed.

Um, Going farther back.

Mrs. Smith: [00:30:24] Do you, do you really expect people to listen to the side? Tell us when we’re going on and on like this

Emily: [00:30:30] sweet

Mrs. Smith: [00:30:32] cable should I use, so the radio doesn’t get picked up. I’m getting ham radio from the Trumpers break breaker for one.

Emily: [00:30:42] And I have a couple of pedals that do that.

Andrew: [00:30:47] It was like late at night, a couple of weeks ago. And I was just playing through my rig with my headphones on, uh, using the Iridium as is my headphone app. And I just had this strange idea. So I, I turned on every game puddle I had and turned it all the way up. Um, and kinda just set. Um, I used my, my Scarlet to bring down the level that was actually going to my headphones, so I didn’t burn those out.

Uh, and I just was curious, what radio station am I, am I going to get? And I’m pretty sure I was getting one Oh 3.7. You were

Emily: [00:31:19] getting an FM station.

Andrew: [00:31:20] I was getting an FM station.

Mrs. Smith: [00:31:23] How’s that,

Emily: [00:31:23] that seems I always only get am stations.

Andrew: [00:31:27] Maybe it’s just the part of Seattle that you’re in.

Emily: [00:31:30] Maybe it’s because the Rudy euphemism stereo,

Andrew: [00:31:34] I don’t know.

It was, it was fascinating, but it was one of the here’s what really bothered me the most about this, which is funny for terrestrial radios. I had to wait like 15 minutes for a commercial. For them to tell me what station it.

Emily: [00:31:48] Wow. So you had to listen to, like, I don’t even know what that station plays. Oh,

Andrew: [00:31:54] it was a one Oh something 0.7, I think.

And there is Justin Bieber was one of those, uh, had a track on their playlist and it was just like that poppy, but it was through, it was through all of this, this fuzz and distortion and overdrive and just everything. I’ve got my board. And then I just, while I was waiting for the commercial break, I just started playing with reverb and flanger and I just kind of hit that.

I am done practicing and I’m just completely screwing around. Right now

Mrs. Smith: [00:32:20] it probably greatly improved the music.

Andrew: [00:32:23] It made it more interesting for me, at least.

Emily: [00:32:25] And Beaver needs is just some washy reverb and it is fine. And a hard pantry below.

Mrs. Smith: [00:32:33] He needs to go more do metal river. Yeah, it’s

Emily: [00:32:36] just a little shoe gaze.

Maybe, maybe experiment with putting the fuzz after the reverb,

Andrew: [00:32:41] throwing it, throwing a Russian, uh, a Russian big Muff. And now it’s a slow dive. There we go.

Emily: [00:32:49] Yeah, I like the, I prefer the no wave Justin Bieber.

Andrew: [00:32:54] Uh, I like, I do admit I prefer Justin Bieber, pre mustache. That mustache is God awful.

Emily: [00:33:00] Yeah. I mean, you can say the same about Anthony Kiedis.

Mrs. Smith: [00:33:05] I don’t know that I’ve ever heard a Justin Bieber song. I think I’ve heard. Yeah. That’s the one, one, one instance that, okay. Got it done. Um, I think, um, I love pop music from other eras. Um, everything from doo-wop from the fifties, the sixties, the girl groups, of course, the seventies fat. I love disco. Um, Arba I love in eighties, pop music is just so wonderful.

The new wave there’s so much great stuff. Nineties it’s starts to that’s where it starts to, I believe fall apart. I think it was those Brittany Spears in sand. They in, although their songs are quite good, um, some of them, but it begins to fold in this thing of sound design versus song. And the songs are kind of meant to be sort of sonically stimulating, but not enriching from a melodic and harmonic point of view.

And so now when I occasionally go on and listen, I I, every few months I listened to the top 10 on Spotify and it’s a kind of emaciated hollowed out, uh, desperations are kind of ghostly scary and, um, The rock music is even worse because it’s sort of trying to pair it,

Emily: [00:34:30] the rock music as well. I would, I would agree

Mrs. Smith: [00:34:34] the rock music on smart at the top 10 in the top 10 rock music on Spotify.

I’ve been railing about this and I shouldn’t because I should try to impress Spotify and get on their playlist. But the top 10 on Spotify is if you play it side by side with any grunge song from the nineties, they’re destroyed. Across and that includes production. How can it be that we’ve never had more of these tools for production?

We’ve never had more expertise and yet the music sounds Harlow. It sounds. Desperate empty frantic. Uh, it’s really confusing to me. I don’t know if it’s that the absence of record deals or if it was the time that people spent in studios with analog equipment or the time spent composing versus creating an, a computer?

I don’t know.

Andrew: [00:35:28] Maybe the lizard people at corporate record, uh, finally got what they wanted. This is, this is what they like.

Mrs. Smith: [00:35:36] That’s right. They listened to it while drinking blood. Yes. At Bohemian Grove.

Emily: [00:35:42] Well, they tried to do it in the eighties with those original digital sin. We’ve always talked about how cold does

Mrs. Smith: [00:35:49] sound.

Andrew: [00:35:51] Yeah. But now it’s on now though. That’s a

Mrs. Smith: [00:35:53] vintage sound,

Emily: [00:35:54] but sometimes it’s sometimes that it was used for like artistic purpose and maybe not so much right now. I’m just looking at the list of the artist. Mia is on the, a number one song on Spotify this week. I like

Mrs. Smith: [00:36:11] her, but I’m sure if I listened to it, I would be just terrified of the image of reality at paints,

Emily: [00:36:19] Andrew, what’s new with you this

Andrew: [00:36:20] week.

Uh, so what’s new with me. Speaking of the nineties, uh, Fox Cairo has debuted its newest, uh, Artistic option for you to order for your pedal topper, which is a, uh, it’s derivative

Mrs. Smith: [00:36:40] for

Andrew: [00:36:40] copyright reasons of a certain cup. You might’ve seen it in a food court back in the nineties, early two thousands. It’s a

Mrs. Smith: [00:36:48] AF Gerry.

That’s what I thought of when I saw it. F Jerry

Andrew: [00:36:53] that’s where that’s right. Uh, F Jerry got it from so. Yeah, absolutely. So that’s the newest thing. I huge, huge, huge. Thank you to Joe Braga. Who’s one of her Patrion supporters and friend of the show for lending her expertise and making that graphic. The. This is cheese we talked about and she sent me the graphic and I just kind of plugged in it, across everything in, in Adobe.

And I was like, this, this took me 10 minutes and I’ve got this brand new line. This is wonderful. Uh, so, uh, in, in classic Fox Cairo style, of course, Joe is being compensated very appropriately, very fairly for her work. And I, I just love how these turned out. Um, it’s also been. One of my highest, I don’t think it’s been my highest selling week ever, but it’s been one of my highest selling weeks.

So thank you for everyone who bought one, but that’s, that’s been a highlight of my week, uh, and has been, been really fun.

Mrs. Smith: [00:37:57] That’s

Emily: [00:37:57] nice.

Mrs. Smith: [00:37:59] So fantastic.

Andrew: [00:38:00] Yeah, that’s the, that’s the newest thing with me. Hmm.

Emily: [00:38:05] That’s cool. That’s cool. Uh, we’ll do we want to thank our sponsors?

Andrew: [00:38:10] I would love to thank our sponsors.

Emily: [00:38:11] Well, this week’s episode of the Goodall set podcast is sponsored by distro kid, where you can put your music on the internet for as little as 20 bucks a year, and you can save 7% on your first year subscription. If you use the affiliate link in the show notes for this episode, pretty exciting stuff. If I do

Mrs. Smith: [00:38:31] say

Andrew: [00:38:32] so much, Yeah, you should be excited because thanks to district kid.

If I search your name in Spotify, you know, it comes up

Emily: [00:38:40] me,

Andrew: [00:38:42] you and you know, it’s next to your name,

Mrs. Smith: [00:38:44] check Mark.

Andrew: [00:38:46] A blue check, Mark that

Mrs. Smith: [00:38:47] as part of the deal. Wow.

Andrew: [00:38:51] They verify you. They validate you

Mrs. Smith: [00:38:55] verified, verified. You’ve been verified. You now get to go on the spaceship. When this whole thing goes down,

Emily: [00:39:04] I will say, I need to remove, because they have this feature.

I have been incorrectly attributed to two songs that I’ve, I, that I had nothing to do with again, one of the most generic names in the world is Emily Harris. So, uh, I need to, um, Held the show kid to remove my name from these. Cause I have nothing to do.

I feel bad for that other Emily Harris. Who’s why, why is this full E on my page? I can’t. I get verified.

Mrs. Smith: [00:39:41] Imagine she cares. She’s she’s death metal, Emily Harris. She’s like, this is really, you know, throwing off my brand. Yeah.

Emily: [00:39:48] I can’t tell just looking at the album artwork, but this is either like new metal or, or just so it’s probably new metal.

It looks very like, it looks like there’s a friend. It looks like it has Fred Durst involved, but it’s not

Mrs. Smith: [00:40:03] fresh.

I just gave them,

Emily: [00:40:08] gave them free ad space. I’m going to mute that.

Andrew: [00:40:14] I don’t know. I want to listen to like some, some underground new metal, all of a sudden that sounds exciting. Oh God, that sounds like a quality life twice.

Emily: [00:40:22] Let’s talk about better quality in the terms of our other sponsors. Okay.

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Uh, something I’ve been saying for years is one they’re my favorite pedal brand. But out there, it just has been for so long. And the main reason for that, for my attachment to the brands quickly is just the way that they approach pedals and wanting to offer something usable, but unique all at the same time.

And they just do such a beautiful job marrying those two things together. And you can definitely see that in the afternoon. After Nathan V3,

Mrs. Smith: [00:41:04] I cannot speak today

Andrew: [00:41:06] after neath V3 is the third iteration of the classic afternoon pedal, which is just

Emily: [00:41:13] very spooky.

Mrs. Smith: [00:41:15] It’s

Andrew: [00:41:15] spooky in the most delightful way, which is really appropriate for, uh, for this upcoming month in the season

Mrs. Smith: [00:41:23] of

Emily: [00:41:23] around the

Andrew: [00:41:24] corner.

It is Halloween. We were just talking about songs for spooky songs to put on a kid’s playlist with some of your patrons this week in our patron chat. But yeah, go if you have not played an afternoon, uh, first of all, shame on you. Second of all, go, go, go pick one up now. Seriously. It’s so it’s so usable.

It’s so musical and the afternoon V3, just add some new features that just make it that extra level of usable and cool and wild and inspirational and filming some music. 2020 has been rough. You deserve it. You’ve earned it. Treat yourself, get something inspirational. Put on your board. Yes. None of that was scripted for the record?

Mrs. Smith: [00:42:12] No, it

Emily: [00:42:13] just sounds scripted.

Andrew: [00:42:15] I it’s it’s my ad voice. It’s like this week’s episode is brought to you by Earthquaker devices

Emily: [00:42:20] for the listeners at home. Sometimes I have to edit Andrew’s writing because he makes it sound so formal when he types out a friendly

Mrs. Smith: [00:42:26] email. Well, he does, you do have a radio sort of quality.

Andrew.

Andrew: [00:42:32] I take that as a compliment,

Emily: [00:42:33] as a compliment, I think.

Mrs. Smith: [00:42:36] Did you learn that watching the left behind,

Emily: [00:42:39] did they have a dental Susan narration or did you just listen to a lot of that jazz DJs as you were trying to fall asleep?

Andrew: [00:42:47] You know, so funny thing the left behind is there’s actually a kid’s version of the books.

That’s like

Mrs. Smith: [00:42:53] less scary.

Emily: [00:42:54] What. I thought, I thought the whole left behind was a kid’s novel series.

Andrew: [00:42:59] No, there’s two, there’s two versions. There’s the kids version. And then there’s the adult version of the adult version gets gory.

Emily: [00:43:04] I thought the adult version was like young adult. Is it like adult?

Andrew: [00:43:09] No, it’s still like young adult, but like they ha they created it like a secondary, like chill version for like younger kids, like elementary and middle school.

And it was just awful. Well,

Mrs. Smith: [00:43:20] I mean,

Emily: [00:43:21] par for the course.

Andrew: [00:43:24] No I’m saying like for the course, it was awful.

Mrs. Smith: [00:43:27] Geez.

Emily: [00:43:28] The bar is so low already.

Andrew: [00:43:31] It’s it’s definitely.

Emily: [00:43:32] How are they going to manage the limbo under that one?

Andrew: [00:43:35] I, I don’t think they can. I think that we’ve got no choice, but to burn any of the remaining copies of that on the planet.

Emily: [00:43:42] I apologize again to Earthquaker devices just happens every time we talk about.

Andrew: [00:43:48] We wait, what happens every time we talk about their pencils

Mrs. Smith: [00:43:50] off the

Emily: [00:43:51] rails?

Andrew: [00:43:57] Well,

Emily: [00:44:02] Oh my God. Alright.

Andrew: [00:44:03] Um, I don’t have a button to make sounds with, so I just, I had to improvise.

Emily: [00:44:07] If you want to essentially be a sponsor of the show, you can support us via Patrion at patrion.com/get offset for as little as $1 a month that we do prefer the $5 here. Cause the $5 here is where you start to get Hertz, including access to our super secret group chat that you hear.

Steve Raul talk about constantly on the sixth cycle home podcast. Hey Steve.

Andrew: [00:44:28] Hi, Steve,

Emily: [00:44:32] for $10 a month, you get swag. And for $50 a month, I’ll write you a song.

Andrew: [00:44:37] Oh, snap.

Emily: [00:44:38] No Schnapp one person has taken us up on that. Mrs.

Andrew: [00:44:42] Smith, should, should we add a tier like $25? If you joined in for $25 a month, I will, uh, I will give a slightly intoxicated theological rants.

Emily: [00:44:53] I think that’s it.

Mrs. Smith: [00:44:54] Yeah. You’ve got to listen. You’ve got to make it, you know, you gotta get those perks it’s in parks.

Emily: [00:45:00] Um, yeah. So, uh, we also have merchant get off the podcast.com/shop, and please know that if you’d only buy stickers, we, I think kind of lose money on those. Now that I look at the, now that I look at the receipt, so I might have to raise the price of the stairs.

Yeah. I

Andrew: [00:45:19] still got a stack of stickers sitting right next to me

Emily: [00:45:22] in my desk. I have some buttons.

Andrew: [00:45:26] I’ve got like a bag of buttons, probably like 20 of them here. I’ve got stickers. I’ve got magnets

Emily: [00:45:31] to give all of those away at Nam.

Andrew: [00:45:33] I was supposed to give them all the way at Nam. And I got so enthralled, just walking around the floor that I forgot I had them in my bag.

Emily: [00:45:39] Yeah. And I just got so enthralled looking through my desk. I remembered I have a flask of whiskey in here.

Andrew: [00:45:44] Oh, this podcast just got extra exciting.

Mrs. Smith: [00:45:48] Let’s

Andrew: [00:45:49] go.

Emily: [00:45:51] No.

Mrs. Smith: [00:45:52] Okay.

Andrew: [00:45:52] Which, Oh, I should. I think the data’s episode drops all. I, I should be cleared. I should be cleared to drink again. I know. I think it’s been six weeks.

It’s

Mrs. Smith: [00:46:03] been, have you been on antibiotics?

Andrew: [00:46:05] No, I, so I had a sleep study done a couple months ago because I just haven’t been getting restorative sleep for years now. And, uh, the result came back that I have restless leg syndrome. And

Mrs. Smith: [00:46:19] what you can’t kick them.

Andrew: [00:46:21] The kick kingdoms. So apparently I kick about every, like on average, every 60 to 80 seconds in my sleep.

Emily: [00:46:27] Jesus. How does anybody sleep in the bed with you?

Andrew: [00:46:31] Well, it’s not like a big kick. It’s like just enough leg movement to wake up my brain just a little bit. So I like literally have not been sleeping for years. Like subconscious. Like when I’m asleep, my brain keeps like slightly waking up throughout the night.

So I, as I settled into a, a, a treatment routine for that part of that has been to be completely sober off of every single substance on the planet, uh, for the last several weeks, just to kind of settle in and make sure that everything’s working as it should be, and then slowly reintroducing some of my vices.

So nice.

Emily: [00:47:05] Yeah,

Andrew: [00:47:07] self care is important. Highly recommended for everybody. And especially, I mean, 2020 has sucked. Self care has gotta be a priority this year, a 100%. So it’s hard. So my encouragement for everyone,

Mrs. Smith: [00:47:23] absolutely. Oh, um, I take a long walk every day. I try to walk at least 7,000 steps sometimes up to 15 or 20.

Yes. I walk in the park, um, therapy, psychiatry, uh, I attend groups and I do. Prayer and meditation. These are tricky. You know, I got a mind at races, but I try to, you know, sit still and still the mind a little bit, um, watching the diet is also really important, you know, pushing the sugar too much, too much bread, things like that.

And yet, You know, we reach for those things when we’re feeling anxious, at least I do. So it’s been a very tough, tough time. It’s been very tough and it can be very difficult for people to access care with the way insurance and especially psychotherapy it’s too expensive. Um, and so. It’s it’s just really, I really worry about folks out there.

And I think it’s why we see things, for instance, like chew and on spreading, which I think it’s very dangerous and a sign of real unmet anxiety. Um, and you know, these are good people caught up in a bad time, you know, and without recourse to affective tools. And so the anxiety goes,

Emily: [00:48:49] he goes to these moral panics.

I mean, I think that you can say this. You can compare it to the satanic panic in the eighties.

Mrs. Smith: [00:48:58] It’s exactly the same. Yup. Yup.

Emily: [00:49:01] It’s kind of wild. Andrew, did you, did you grow up with satanic panics?

Andrew: [00:49:06] Uh, you mean like, are we talking about the sort of thing where like, if you played pink fully backwards, you realize you’re bored?

Emily: [00:49:12] No. Like the idea that there are people walking around as a society who, who literally worship and make sacrifices to the devil and they do things like abuse children and they work at like preschools and stuff.

Mrs. Smith: [00:49:23] So Chrissy Tiegen.

Andrew: [00:49:25] Yeah, totally. I got that.

Emily: [00:49:26] Oh, don’t don’t don’t, don’t talk bad about our local, our local lady.

Like I love Chrissy Teigen. Oh, we’re Tom Hanks. People literally think Tom Hanks like eats babies. Is this a real.

Andrew: [00:49:40] Yeah. There’s that there’s abs I didn’t really grow up with a lot of that. Uh, but I I’ve also heard it cause not only was I raised Christian, I was also homeschooled for a little bit. And some of the things I’ve heard is like, really?

That’s that’s how you think the world. Okay. But no, I. You know, the Q Anon stuff cracks me up and maybe this is just a coping mechanism, but part of me just enjoys, like finding a couple of the Facebook groups, like where this stuff happens and just read through the comments and see some of the, the absurdities.

And it gives me a quick laugh. And then I realized this is people actually believe this. And then I get horrified.

Emily: [00:50:15] Yeah. My advice is never share that even as a joke. That’s my advice because you never know what the person you sent, you’re sending it to is going to get the joke.

Andrew: [00:50:25] Because they’re in Christie Teagan’s freezer.

Mrs. Smith: [00:50:27] Yeah. But also the, the desire to that’s a distancing, you know, um, mechanism. And I understand it as well. I did it with Trump at the beginning of his, well, during the campaign, I mean, that’s a distancing mechanism to sort of, uh, laugh at or be like, ah, but I think what that doesn’t take into account is.

That the part of the mind that shoe Anon appeals to is older and more powerful than the part of the mind, that reasons. And we really should not believe leave that just because we’ve had a civilizations based on reason for certain, however many years since lightheaded, that it will always be that way because, because societies can be based on all kinds of things, societies could be based on.

You know, uh, pledge your allegiance to this bizarre set of concepts, or you are, you know, the enemy and will be killed. And so we have to really respect the, the mind and the psyche as Carl Young, I posted this on my Instagram, as Carl Young said, psyche is the problem, man is the problem not man. He meant humans.

Humans are the problem, not technology. It’s the psyche that believes a nuclear bomb should be created. The psyche, which says there is an enemy that is so different from me. I must be prepared to obliterate the entire planet. Wow. Powerful stuff. Um, we know nothing about the psyche. You know, we know, we know absolutely nothing we’ve had, we’ve had many, again, 300 years of yes.

Rational thought, but we have just scratched the surface and understanding the undercurrents.

Andrew: [00:52:19] Well, absolutely. And maternity has been such a strange blip in the, uh, in the history of mankind. And we have, I think the internet. It’s not a fall, but has accelerated our trajectory into post-modernity in this world where now it’s not just about pure logic.

Like it has been for the last 300 years, at least attempted to be, cause it attempted and failed. Let’s not

Emily: [00:52:42] pretend America has ever been pro intellectual.

Andrew: [00:52:46] Yeah. From a certain point of view, uh, which is just from the perspective of winners and really intentionally ignoring all the terrible things.

Anyways. Ah, But we we’ve accelerated into this towards postman dirty in this world where suddenly story matters and personal experience matters to the same degree as quote unquote logical discourse, because the shortcomings of logic comes down to logic is only good as the data you put into it. And when the daddy, but into it is.

About how awesome America is then you’re like, okay, cool. America is awesome. But you start changing that data set and realizing that there’s perspectives that haven’t been heard. And you start empathizing with other people that are part of this narrative. You start realize that there’s a larger picture and this is where the power of story becomes so crucial.

And the need for empathy becomes so crucial. And I think. That’s one of the things I appreciate the song you’ve got coming out is it seems like a three minute journey into a transition from this is what I know and believe to I’ve put myself in someone else’s shoes and had an exercise in empathy.

Mrs. Smith: [00:53:54] Oh, my new song.

Nice.

Emily: [00:53:58] Yeah.

Mrs. Smith: [00:54:00] I’m really curious to hear what you thought of it, but, um, you know, also let’s not spoil anything for the listener. Um, but yes, I’m so excited about the song. I put out an EAP a few years ago. I’m terribly slow with this stuff. I’m just awful. My poor fans. Um, I really it’s like I have got to be on fire with something to push through.

And so I alighted on this topic from a comment thread. Um, It. And did someone had, uh, I had lit, I lit up the Trump people on my Facebook page and I don’t know what I said. And you know, probably like people should be nice. Like, what do you mean by people? What do you mean by nice and make America nice.

That’s my nut model. Um, I needed to make a hat, a death. Mine. I, I claim it now copyright of all universes and parallel existences immediately. Thank you. Okay. So the. I said to one of the, the Trump, um, ghouls, you know, what’s your problem? Did you go to Applebee’s with your niece? And she was radicalized to Antifa and I thought there, boom, I’m in the song.

It’s my niece. I’m an Applebee’s. My niece is run off and joined this group and I don’t know what to make of it. I don’t know what to believe. Lest anyone think this is a pro Antifa. First of all, I think really Antifa exists. Really. This is like 12 people who work at a coffee shop in Portland, um, and walk around and beyond Thunderdome clothes and are completely disorganized.

Um, anti fascism, as an idea. Yes, of course I am antifascist

Andrew: [00:55:39] as an organization. There’s what organization?

Mrs. Smith: [00:55:43] Yes. And I mean, you know, am I in favor of people burning down businesses? Like, no, we don’t know what is going on. When we see an image of that white supremacy of sub started fires, but, you know, look okay if you were to find an example of someone who calls themselves a anarchist setting, a fire, a store on fire, I would say, knock it off kid.

Uh, we’re all gonna rebuild that store right now. Young lady. Okay. Because commerce is not the problem. Okay. Destroying a person’s store is not destroying capitalism. You know, these are local businesses. I mean, come on. Um, I’m not for it, you know, I’m not going to spend all my time railing against it. I haven’t, I think railing against looting is a way to deflect.

Again, some very real concerns.

Emily: [00:56:33] Yes, exactly. Right?

Mrs. Smith: [00:56:34] Yes. But that’s to say it, it does cause real hurt and real problems and, and real messes that have to then be cleaned

Emily: [00:56:42] up. It’s like a sentence. It’s like a sentence. I don’t believe in fascism, but you can’t destroy property. How about you flip those things?

I don’t think you should destroy property, but fascism is bad. Like just swap the sentence and it needs something completely different.

Mrs. Smith: [00:56:59] Well, my response to people who immediately bring up the looting is I would immediately ask them in a comment. Are you upset about all of the looting because it’s undoing the decades of diligent antiracist work.

You’ve been a part of,

Emily: [00:57:13] yeah, probably not.

Mrs. Smith: [00:57:15] Okay. Now all cause I would take, I would take a real complaint from those folks. If those folks who’ve been in the trenches fighting racism and capitalism said, you know what? You guys stop it. Okay. This is not helping you. You’re, you know, you’re really making it tough for us.

I would say like, okay, I have to respect that because I’m not out there doing that work every day. Um, but these are people who just want to, it’s just look, we know what it’s all about, but I was interested in Antifa. As a topic for a song, because it seemed to me to be an example of what a psycho and a psychoanalyst would call an overdetermined.

Concept, uh, there are, there are probably 5 million typhus. It means so much to everyone. It’s sort of despised by everyone. I mean, you know, there’s very few people that are like I’m for Antifa, right? Maybe the people in it. Um, the, you know, I love ’em. Do you know, the young, the young gentleman who was in the Netflix documentary, um, I’m going to look up his name, uh, Daryle Lamont, Jenkins.

Uh, you’ve got to see the documentary he’s in Daryle, Lamont, Jenkins. It’s about the alt-right, but he’s, he’s an antifascist. He’s Antifa, he’s African American young man. And typically the Antifa looking, you know, it seems like a, a white thing and it has a kind of punk aesthetic and everything. But, you know, he says Antifa is anti racist and everyone should be antifascist.

And I was really inspired by him. Um, but there’s very few people you will find who will stand up for Antifa. I mean, the liberals don’t like them. Of course the conservatives are turning it into, um, A label like terrorist after nine 11, it can be sort of applied to anyone right now. You know, New York city I’m told by Donald Trump is an anarchist

Emily: [00:59:07] diction.

Mrs. Smith: [00:59:10] Yeah, I would love it. If, if Cuomo Paul was quoting Bakunin and we were forming a workers. So the, you know, but so it’s, it’s, it’s the song is to me, it’s really about the confusion of the moment and really not knowing, um, and, and saying, okay, my niece, she’s going to join them. You know, and yet I also fear, like, I think she’s going to kill me, but you know, she’s going to change on me.

I mean, and not knowing.

Emily: [00:59:37] I mean, that’s, that is very real. I’m just not understanding what it is. I mean, it’s scary to see a bunch of people, like all dressed in black. Like they don’t know what they’re doing or what they’re up to or what really Antifa means, but you do know what you’ve been told and what you’ve heard on this show, but a belief that Lee.

Mrs. Smith: [00:59:57] Yeah, we

Andrew: [00:59:58] don’t say that name around these programs.

Mrs. Smith: [01:00:00] Oh, just wait for the video.

Emily: [01:00:04] No, but I love let’s just

Mrs. Smith: [01:00:05] wait

Emily: [01:00:05] for the video. Andrew. Might’ve been on mute one when he was listening to it, which was probably wise, but I was just like giggling.

Andrew: [01:00:13] Oh, I was fully enjoying it. Absolutely. I wasn’t on you. And uh, but no, it people there’s so much fear from so many different perspectives in this whole mess.

And I, I think that’s part of the. That’s largely, I think I can safely attribute that to the Tangerine Palpatine, throwing a monkey monkey wrench into the whole equation of what discourse has looked like. But you add that, that level of fear from so many different. Perspective, like from, from every single person on the spectrum, who’s involved in this and suddenly it become, this becomes war.

It becomes people, fear what they don’t understand. And so when you get to that level of fear, where you become combative, you’re no longer interested and understanding. And then you’ve just got this really nasty cycle that starts happening.

Mrs. Smith: [01:00:59] Well, it’s also very difficult to do satire, um, because. Trump is a satirist part of it.

What he does is use comedy as a weapon. And I have, I’m not going to get into that, but I have all these theories about how the court jester is running a muck. You know, basically the court jesters in the King’s chair, there’s a, you know, all the roles, the archetypes have all gotten mishmashed and mixed and blended.

There’s no boundaries to social. You know, comedians are journalists, journalists are comedians. Politicians are entertainers. I mean, it’s all. It’s like, there’s no boundaries, but satire is very difficult in this moment. And I tried to ask myself, well, what could be fun or funny if I put myself in the position of a woman who.

You don’t believe that our niece is going to kill her because she joined Antifa that, you know, has been told that anti-this coming to kill white people in the suburbs. And I mean, it really, I had to grapple with the fact that these news organizations, Sinclair Fox news have been really radical. My generation, the boomer generation of you have these older white people.

Who believed these very intense conspiracy theories and really believe that, uh, people are coming to kill them in the name of anarchism or black lives matter. And it’s, uh, it’s so intense to think that this is is real. Um, it it’s surreal. Totally. And that’s a tough landscape too. Do political comedy or political art.

And I think it’s why there’s so little good political art. You know, if you’re doing jokes about how George Bush talks or, you know, Reagan and, you know, Saturday night live impersonations that, you know, and just poking fun at their personality or whatever you can do. Yeah. But, but we’ve, we’ve entered such a berserker realm sort of.

Post post postmodernist stick, um, that the subject of satire is using satire it’s complex.

Emily: [01:03:08] Yeah, no, it is. But the song is really, really great. I loved listening to it and I think I, I, we mentioned this kind of in the pre show chat, but I just really love how that, that pre-chorus is just really man. I just, I saw them, people do a lot of great pre-courses right now.

Mrs. Smith: [01:03:26] Like. I will I’ll let me, I, I, my favorite for everything now with rock is ghost. Yeah. I just think they are nailing it with it’s just nostalgic enough, but it doesn’t seem like schmaltzy. You know what I mean? It’s not like a spinal tap act. Um, but there is there what I would call citation. Um, without being pulled into parody.

Um, and, and I’ve heard him, uh, Tobias mentioned that the importance of nostalgia, um, there’s so many artifacts we’ve diff piled up over the decades, the pop cultural artifacts. It feels very hard to do something new. Uh, I feel that new things are really old things that have been repackaged. Interesting stuff.

Yeah.

Emily: [01:04:16] Now they’re

Andrew: [01:04:16] killing it. Well, and even just on that concept, I hear you talk about the concept really brings out the thoughts I’ve been having about the, the new topper design and find myself wanting to, not to, sorry, not to hijack the conversation a little bit here, but the feel that the, the importance of nostalgia as a grounding mechanism.

And as soon as I launched this and realized that it was connected with other people, I found myself gravitating towards what other, what other pop culture relics can I latch onto? For this and to really do, do a little bit of grounding on a cultural level for, for people in my circles.

Mrs. Smith: [01:04:58] Well, um, Mark Fisher is an intellectual I’ve become interested in lately.

Uh, he wrote an excellent article called exiting the vampire castle, which is actually about, uh, identity politics on the left, but he also talked about, um, how ontology. And culture and the feeling that starting in the nineties, we’re sort of living in like a, kind of a hall of memories that there’s very little, that seems genuinely new.

And he interrogated this idea. I wish I should really, even she be talking about it because I don’t know as much about it as I would like, but that’s part of this nostalgia feeling. Of of what is new, you know, and, and I, I, it’s part of what people like in me is a feeling that something they recognize, perhaps they’re a fan of a certain style of guitar playing, or a certain kind of comedic persona.

And they feel that it’s come back in a slightly newer package. And so it’s, it’s interesting, I think, to think about what is new, what is old back again? Um, how do these things make us feel, you know, Et cetera.

Andrew: [01:06:13] Oh, absolutely. When I I’ve been a fan of your work for, for quite some time now, and I think that’s,

Mrs. Smith: [01:06:18] but you never reached out, you know, you never got a hold of me.

You never, there were never any DMS, like keep going lady. You’re great. Oh, you know, and so you have to understand that, that, that, that, that you say you’re my fan. And then yet there’s just this silence on my end. I hear nothing.

Andrew: [01:06:37] Right. And I, I can appreciate that. Um, I mean, all right. So it gave me a quick moment to collect my thoughts.

And first of all, I wanted to apologize for not having reached out and just, I feel like I’m so, so small in this role that I always feel really strange about reaching out to the folks that I, that I look up to and whose art that I really appreciate. So

Mrs. Smith: [01:07:00] can I tell everyone listening, please reach out, please, please reach out.

But I just want to say some rules about recess. There are. Yeah. There are rules. If you slide into my DMS and I reply, which I do reply, it is not an assistant. There is no assistant, they’ve all quit. They all quit within the first week. I don’t know why, because it’s a lot of exposure. They get a lot of great experience.

I can’t pay, but it’s a lot of exposure, but if you sign into my DMS, I am replying, probably lying in bed. Fighting a manic depressive, mixed state. If I reply, please understand and try to keep it to like one or two back and forth, but people that it’s like they get you. And then it’s like, now that I have your tag, and then I feel bad, not replying because it’s like, well, I can’t, you know, reply all day long and you know, Or inevitably there’s a, a song they want me to give the feedback on.

I’ve started to tell people I really can’t give feedback on songs because I, first of all, I can’t know what an artist should do and I, I don’t think anyone should give anyone feedback on any art ever, but you should really be asking somebody who knows you. Well, I wouldn’t even know what to say, you know?

And so, um, Yes. Yes. But, but, you know, keep it up to thumbs up. No, it’s always, always appreciated.

Emily: [01:08:40] That’s the thing like, say ha I understand. I don’t, we’re not necessarily going to be friends and try not to push it. And also for the love of God, please don’t find my personal Facebook page and message me there.

Message me on the good offset channels. Use the form on the website. I’ll respond there 95% of the time. But if you, if you send me like direct messages to my personal page, I’m it. I don’t even read those. It’s a rule. Um, I think half of them, well, some of them last time I checked them, I got called. So I’ve just kinda stopped checking them.

Mrs. Smith: [01:09:14] Oh, come on. Yeah. Well, we have to talk about that issue, man. I don’t know how much time we have left, but

Emily: [01:09:22] we’re comfortable doing it. I don’t know how can I’m Andrew?

Mrs. Smith: [01:09:24] I mean, well,

Andrew: [01:09:25] I could, I could go to the top of the hour, I think pretty safely.

Mrs. Smith: [01:09:31] Politics gender and the gear community. Um, these, this is a, there’s a, there’s a battle for the soul of the gear community going on.

And there’s a guy who lives in a 55 plus community in Florida, you know, with a lot of pedals and a few divorces under his belt. He thinks it’s not going in the right direction.

Emily: [01:09:56] That guy, that guy’s opinion is valid. Don’t call me, don’t call me. Nope. They’ll message me and say, I’ll see you next Tuesday.

Like just

Mrs. Smith: [01:10:05] how much, how much of the online hate do you get?

Emily: [01:10:09] I don’t get much. I get, I get an occasional weird YouTube comments and I get an occasional, like direct message, uh, with some, some times. Yeah. What was, what was the guy who was like, he sent me a couple of flight messages and they just sent me like a really nasty one.

And I’m like, why? And I’ve messed up

Andrew: [01:10:27] and you’re like,

Emily: [01:10:28] Oh, you need to respond to that, Andrew. Cause I’m not

Mrs. Smith: [01:10:31] gone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew: [01:10:33] Well, yeah, that’s sometimes, um, because we both share the, the access to the same social media for, for the podcast is, uh, sometimes if I see something getting, that’s not really okay.

On several levels, I’ll jump in like, Hey, by the way, there’s also a man here. Which one of us were you addressing, are you calling me cute? Or

Mrs. Smith: [01:10:55] you say, Hey baby,

Andrew: [01:10:56] how you doing? Are you talking to me? Are you talking to her?

Emily: [01:10:59] I learned that the hard way in college, I ran a blog in Nashville called Nashville for free.

And I was really a little too, too nice to someone who was just messaging me on Twitter. And then it got really weird really quickly. Um, I was like, Oh, we’re not friends. Like you gotta, you got like, I don’t want to have any personal conversations with you. Like I just had to stop messaging the guy. Cause he would just like message me to chat.

And like this feels uncomfortable. It’s just feels uncomfortable.

Mrs. Smith: [01:11:27] There’s very few people that I want to chat over DM with. If I, if I’m friends with you or colleagues. Um, yes. Uh, if I know you, um, but. People, I don’t know. I really don’t want to be chatting with there’s opportunities for interaction on the comment threads.

And I think that that sort of personal level of involvement, it’s part of the fun of social media, you know? Oh my gosh. A famous person liked my status, you know? I mean, I get that little thrill we all do or so, and so is following me. Um, but you know, it’s just this, this idea that. Of of like trying to pen pal with people.

I, I don’t, I don’t want to be unkind, but there’s something just a slightly like, selfish about it. It’s, it’s, it’s sort of, um, it’s like, uh, I mean, you know, all, we, you know, we, you know, how we all talk, you know, w we’re all in the biz. So like, whether you’re doing the gear or you’re a performer, and I was chatting with a guitar playing friend and.

We, we realized that our biggest pet peeve is when we would post about a show. So it’s like, I get a show. Okay. I got a gate I’m working. You post the event on Facebook or a flyer for the show on Instagram. And the comments are filled with people who cannot make it.

Emily: [01:12:51] Oh God. I know.

Mrs. Smith: [01:12:53] But also who say actually we’ll say this, let me know when you’re going to be in Sacramento.

Oh God. And I’ve even had people direct message me and say, let me know when you’re going to be in Atlanta.

Emily: [01:13:09] He had joined my email list or subscribe to me on bands in town or something. And that’s me. Hi,

Mrs. Smith: [01:13:16] there is it really? Uh, it’s. I mean, you just shake your head and go, Whoa, you think you’re something else?

Don’t

Emily: [01:13:25] you think you’re really entitled? I

Mrs. Smith: [01:13:26] mean, how could I possibly service individually? All of these people that that’s not how this works is. So it’s always kind of,

Emily: [01:13:36] I think that part of it is those people are jumping in and hoping that then you’ll be friends. And I like having friends, but it’s not, that’s not how you do it.

That’s just not, I think they’re they want you to say, Oh yeah, I’ll be in Sacramento in may. And then they’ll be like, we shouldn’t hang out. Like, no,

Mrs. Smith: [01:13:54] no, here’s what will happen. This is what will happen. They will say that. And then when you are there and you say I’m here, I’m in Rochester. They will. I can’t make, I once had someone who’s claimed to be a huge fan, say, you know, Oh, you’re coming to Rochester.

I’m going to try to make it. Please don’t tell me that, please. Please do not that I have. I’ve traveled hours to be here. It’s down the street from your house. And then it was like, Hey, I thought we could hang out in jam.

Emily: [01:14:34] Yeah.

Mrs. Smith: [01:14:36] Is like, no, no, I am here you come here. I mean, I had to say this to this person bonkers it’s absolutely.

They often say that they often have this idea that we’re going to jam together, which when I’ve traveled to a town. It’s I’m tired. It’s, it’s, it’s everything to do the show and then sustain that and then get off stage and, and make it to the next one. So it’s always fascinating.

Emily: [01:15:06] Take the time to see anybody.

It’s going to be somebody you already know.

Mrs. Smith: [01:15:09] Yes, exactly.

Emily: [01:15:12] It’s not going to be for, it’s not going to be for, uh, an internet friend or a stranger. I, yeah, I’ve, I’ve gotten that if I was like, Oh, I would love to see you when you’re in Nashville. Like while I’m playing the show in Nashville, they’re like, Oh, well, Do you want to get dinner before?

I’m like, no, I have sound check. Why don’t you just come to the show and we’ll talk after my sat or something, and then they just don’t

Mrs. Smith: [01:15:32] show up. Um, yeah, I’m going to try to make it that whole kind of, I’m going to make it a provisional thing to kind of keep you on the chain and the desire, you know, that, that inability to be part of a crowd.

Um, It’s a it’s it’s also like, you don’t want to say this in the comments and be exposed in some sense. It’s like, do you realize that I need you to come to the show and pay money because I need to make money at this, that this, all this interaction that you get online, that you claim to love so much. I do not get paid for.

What I get paid for are the shows. Um, it’s a real, um, I don’t think people understand the business. I mean, I think, I think in many ways the business needs to explain better to the fans, how it works. I mean, I’ve even had, I’ve even had fans who like they’ll, um, like there’ll become guitar students, and we get to know each other a little bit and.

Yeah. I’d like to hear when they find out like what it all looks like financially, you know, it really is, uh, uh, an awakening for them. You know, that like, don’t, you don’t get paid to be in rolling stone, you know, or guitar world. You don’t make money for, you know? And, um, it’s, it’s surprising

Emily: [01:16:48] you do make money.

It’s probably not a lot like it to be so high level to even like, make a living doing this. I mean, we had this band called Charlie bliss on the show back in January and. Eva Saki, the singer is talking about how like, people from our high school will talk to her like, Oh man, you must be just rolling. And she was like, I can barely pay my rent.

And I shared an apartment with my brother and his girlfriend.

Mrs. Smith: [01:17:10] Yeah.

Emily: [01:17:10] It’s like, it’s not that it’s not. Yeah. That glamorous, like a lot of we, like the last time we were in Austin with the band lesson, went on tour. The one hotel we stayed at other times, it was like, Crashing on floors on yoga mats. We’d say it like a red roof Inn in South, like South OSS then.

And, uh, I had to share a bed with a drummer, so I very much enjoyed joking with him about that.

Mrs. Smith: [01:17:34] Well, there’s a, um, often there is a day job of some sort that’s very understanding and the music is a side gate. A lot of. Uh, you know, musicians, they’re carpenters, they maybe even work in a factory. Other times there is a spouse or the job a spouse does the daily grind.

Um, you know, so these are the things that aren’t really talked about or known, um, and people think, you know, Look, I mean, anyone can get a photo shoot. Anyone can have a photo shoot. Anyone can have a logo designed on Fiverr. I mean, anyone can create an upload, an album and make it look like they are doing really, really well.

And it, you know, it’s look it’s about the art. It is the art enjoyable, you know, um, if you shoot an arrow and it goes really high, you know, good for you. If you make some money, you know, growing up there. Well, you’re doing great.

Emily: [01:18:32] Yeah. What’s that old poem, a shot, an arrow into the air. It fell to earth. I know not where,

Mrs. Smith: [01:18:38] Oh, I don’t know that one.

Did we lose Andrew? And I was asleep.

Andrew: [01:18:43] No, I, I, I am fully engaged, really soaking this in and I, well, I’m fascinated by all of this partially because I’ve been the person messaging saying, Oh, I can’t make it. And

Mrs. Smith: [01:18:55] yeah, a lot of nerve turning up here.

Andrew: [01:19:00] I know, but I’m listening from a really just soaking the sin and re ruminating on the marketing and the messaging and how.

How consumerism has turned this very much into a, the consumers expect to be served.

Mrs. Smith: [01:19:18] Yeah. Serve the servants.

Andrew: [01:19:22] And no, I really appreciate it. I don’t have a lot to contribute. I’m not, I’m not a touring artist outside of church. I haven’t really played a lot of live shows. It’s most of my career has been within a church environment where I’m not getting paid.

And so that’s a. A very different dynamic from, from coming from. So I don’t have a lot to contribute other than to say, I really appreciate what you both have to offer on this conversation. And

Mrs. Smith: [01:19:46] it

Andrew: [01:19:47] definitely giving me a lot to, to kick around.

Mrs. Smith: [01:19:51] I just overruled the social media are those interactions. It’s also the poison of social media.

It’s the, what’s making a terrorist society apart. It’s, we’ve lost the mystique. Of the rockstar because we see them in their bedrooms now, especially with COVID. Um, and they’re kind of like, like be immortal, has it been sort of dragged down to earth and it’s kind of like, Ooh, do I want to have a second look at that?

Um, and I think, um, Part of the mrs. Smith project, if I may, uh, is to restore some mystique to that, some sense of that mystery or what what’s going on, I don’t fully understand, or who is that person what’s happening? Um, some sense of a kind of FinTech fantastical style in a way. Um, and so I, you know, I like interacting with people in the comments and actually I get a lot of ideas for jokes and, and, and songs.

And Tiffany’s in the comments. Um, And, you know, you want to be perceived as successful in order to have more success. You know, you really do. I mean kids, the more you morning that’s, that’s how you do. That’s how you do it. But one must not a mistake that for the work, the work is art and not an art doesn’t need to make money.

It doesn’t need, it. Doesn’t need to touch millions of people. It just needs to touch you. And then you share and you let it go. Uh, but you know, I, I. I’m in favor of a little bit more mystique. I think it’s getting a little tired. I think it’s getting a little tired of the, of the webcams. Um, and

Emily: [01:21:25] we need them.

We need the rockstars, like Prince who just were elusive and pulled up in Minneapolis. Yeah.

Mrs. Smith: [01:21:32] Hear you. It’s like, I’m always defending mom steam because people I’ve always defending you. That’s what I can tell him. When I meet him. Do you know how, how many times a day I defend you, but, um, I’m always defending the mom’s name because it’s like please, more rock stars that you cannot approach in daily life.

The idea that people would be upset that he would be rude to them. It’s like, You’re you’re, you’re walking up to like Thor’s fourth cousin, twice removed like this man, this man goes about on the wings of dragons. Like, what do you expect? I mean, you don’t, you don’t ask an elemental to be pedestrian with you.

You really are asking to be scorched. And, and so, you know, I. Yeah. I th I think, I just think it’s all getting like everyone’s themselves and everyone’s their authentic life and it’s kind of, but we know it’s all a show. Yeah.

Andrew: [01:22:32] Well, I mean, it depends on how well that illusions put up for whether or not the consumer is aware of whether or not it’s a show, but I

Mrs. Smith: [01:22:39] also wonder if

Emily: [01:22:41] it’s just a part of the

Andrew: [01:22:42] experience.

Sure.

Part of me. I think that the idea of the mysticism of the guitar hero, if I may is I think some of what I hear in that, in that it’s appealing to me is this sense of nostalgia. Cause I, I, I’m not so young that I grew up completely only knowing this world of this social media personalized, I’m just a guy kind of mentality.

Uh, and there, there’s definitely that level of nostalgia that I, I kind of crave and want to have as a grounding mechanism. And I, uh, kinda going back to what we were talking about earlier. I think there’s definitely something, something to be said for that. And I think that element really has value and could certainly last several generations, I just put in the salvage only lasts so many generations.

So I wonder how, how long until without a significant revival until that’s. I cycled it’s way out of orbit. Hmm.

Mrs. Smith: [01:23:43] Hmm.

Andrew: [01:23:45] Cause cause so I’m, I’m 25. About to be 26. I mean, young guy I’m right on the right on the brink between millennial

Mrs. Smith: [01:23:54] I

Andrew: [01:23:54] know, right between millennial and gen Z, the, the digital natives, and even just looking at kids who were a couple of years younger than me and realizing.

How much more they’re immersed in this and how exponentially removed every year, younger than me. You get these kids are from this world of mysticism and they don’t. I mean, I even get that with, with Kanye or the Kardashians. Cause you’ve got the, the Kardashian ism of reality TV has made it seem more accessible.

Uh, and. I don’t know, maybe that maybe I’m just being overly cynical, but I just wonder how, if this is the only world that no, they aren’t reintroduced to this mystique. If this just gets lost in another generation removed from us.

Mrs. Smith: [01:24:40] Everything that occurs to me is an I, I’m not an expert, but I just, I catch glimpses and I just see like a lot of like, just how junky and trashy everything is.

Um, I mean, there’s, um, A kind of falling apart quality to them that I think that they, they take pride in, um, it’s, it’s very interesting. It’s almost punk, a little I, but it’s not oppositional. Um, it seems very depressed, uh, which I can understand, you know, I think of sort of Billie Eilish and some of these like mumble rappers is kinda like, wow, like this is like, we’ve got issues here.

Um, But, uh, yeah, I don’t know. I don’t know. It’s a very interesting time to say the least.

Emily: [01:25:30] Yeah. Well, I think that, uh, Andrew has to bounce in a second, so that’s probably a good place to, to give it a public. Good. Maybe. Yeah.

Andrew: [01:25:42] I mean to wrap things up in a book,

Emily: [01:25:45] Rick, Andrew, Andrew loves doing that kind of just called you.

Mrs. Smith: [01:25:48] Okay. Just go ahead and set everything up for us. White male, right? Your history books.

Andrew: [01:25:57] I know. That’s what I’m great at it. I just assume that I’m a winner and then I get to dictate what people take away.

Mrs. Smith: [01:26:03] You see the grand narrative. Well, I’m a grand and I’m here to tell you, you don’t know narratives.

Andrew: [01:26:11] And I think I could not possibly wrap this episode.

Mrs. Smith: [01:26:15] I don’t know how you wrap

Emily: [01:26:16] it. I just don’t.

Mrs. Smith: [01:26:17] This has been all now. This

Andrew: [01:26:20] has, I, I guess I could just looking back on everything we’ve talked about and just kind of where I sit in this existential dread of looking at the world is just, it feels like there’s so much culture at stake in every level of our lives right now that I feel like.

If we want to survive, we’ve got to fight for it. And it, that feels like such an anxiety inducing feeling, and maybe I’m wrong. I would love to be wrong about that, but that’s just kind of how I am sitting, coming out. The other end of this podcast. And at the end of the last couple of weeks that I’ve had is that there’s that too.

Mrs. Smith: [01:26:54] We have to fight for the future. Uh, you know, we have to have, uh, an inner process and an outer action. You know, this, this is about projection. All of these issues come from psyche. How am I, if I disapprove of Donald Trump, am I willing to consider that I may be behaving in ways that he behaves, but I choose not to see because it’s too unpleasant.

Am I willing to address that? What is the pain behind that behavior? What, where’s the hurt? Because he is a hurt person. He has been hurt deeply. It doesn’t matter that he grew up rich growing up rich doesn’t mean you don’t hurt. It just means that you’re.

Emily: [01:27:37] I always say people, people who are happy don’t act the way that he asks

Mrs. Smith: [01:27:41] they don’t and, and, and you know, you just, it wealth, doesn’t take it away.

He’s a hurt person, but where’s my hurt. What’s underneath it. Will I heal it so that when I go out to act, I am acting in a spiritually synchronized way so that we can save. The plants and the animals and the people, which we must do, which we can, the cats course, which we can do, which we are doing. Get off.

Emily: [01:28:12] Yes,

Mrs. Smith: [01:28:16] thanks for

Emily: [01:28:16] understanding. My name is Emily.

Andrew: [01:28:19] My name is Andrew

Mrs. Smith: [01:28:21] and I’m mrs. Smith.