Episode 102: Plain White … Boxes

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Andrew: [00:00:00] no, I see myself, right. Hey.

Emily: [00:00:14] Oh, I see what you mean. I see, I see what you did there. Welcome to the, get off set podcast though. My name is Emily

Andrew: [00:00:22] and my name is

Emily: [00:00:24] Andrew. And it’s going to be the first time that people are going to be seeing, seeing you doing the pod. Cause I’m usually in the videos though.

You didn’t do an intro for a demo pedal. We,

Andrew: [00:00:35] I did. Yeah, but good gravy, like is now a bad time to say I probably should have worn pants today.

Emily: [00:00:42] I mean, nobody can see,

Andrew: [00:00:44] unless I like stand up to like stretch out my life. I do that sometimes. During the

Emily: [00:00:48] recording,

Andrew: [00:00:50] I’ll just stand up and stretch my legs for like, I’ve got this handy dandy.

And so I’ll be like, I’ll just stand up and talk to it. So

Emily: [00:00:57] that’s what, that’s what that sound

Andrew: [00:00:58] is. So like, I’ll do that sometimes. Or like, I’ll go on mute and like, I mean, sometimes these are long episodes. Sometimes I, you know, just, I have a Mason jar and I really have to pee and now I can’t do that.

Emily: [00:01:14] Oh, why don’t you, why don’t you just turn around and go over to that litter box for this kid?

Who’s his boss.

Andrew: [00:01:18] Yes. There is two litter boxes right behind those curtains and bonus points to anyone who points out like timestamp. As you see the kiddies, the orange one is princess poppy and the Calico. No, he’s, he’s a 17 pound beast. His name is Prince Percy. He’s huge timestamp as you see them, but they’ve definitely been, uh, running around today.

Emily: [00:01:48] Yeah. So, you know, I saw them a little bit when we were just chatting about life, but it’s October, which means your color scheme finally is seasonally appropriate.

Andrew: [00:01:58] It is. I mean, it’s always appropriate, but.

Emily: [00:02:02] It will be especially appropriate through Thanksgiving.

Andrew: [00:02:05] It will be more appreciated by the masses, which means this is a great opportunity for me to evangelize my love of orange to all peoples

Emily: [00:02:14] like you don’t do that every single week,

Andrew: [00:02:19] but now it’s a, it’s socially acceptable.

Right. And that’s Halloween.

Emily: [00:02:23] It is. Well, you know, I think that some people would say it’s always acceptable to. So like what you like,

Andrew: [00:02:29] I mean, some of her favorite things are orange. Let’s be honest. Candy corn start.

Emily: [00:02:35] Oh, dude.

Andrew: [00:02:36] Now let’s see here. Pills. That’s a good start. Um, what else has orange that we like traffic cones.

Emily: [00:02:42] Do I have anything orange in view? I can barely turn my

Andrew: [00:02:46] Jennings. I don’t know. I’m just having fun. Like I’m just like looking for anything orange. Grab my, my trashcan. My trashcan is an orange bucket.

Emily: [00:02:56] Yeah, those home Depot buckets that cost like five bucks or whatever.

Andrew: [00:02:59] Yeah.

Emily: [00:03:00] I got so mad. Woah, dumb, deep.

I’m like, do you like a bag? And they’re like, no, we have a bucket you can buy for five bucks. I’m like, I’m just going to make a few trips. Yep. Spite because screw you. That’s rude. I hate it. Yeah. That’s red. My.

Andrew: [00:03:17] It’s

Emily: [00:03:17] not war mug from mad, reverse electronics. You are your amount of OSHA. The other day I saw

Andrew: [00:03:22] did I work?

I work on Wednesday and I woke up and looked at my wardrobe, like what would be appropriate to wear today? That reflects my mood. That’s just, but that’s not like people are going to be like, can you wear that? Even though I’m working from home just in the off chance that, you know, I have to take a. A video call like this and then like a couple hours later,

Emily: [00:03:46] like an emergency button up or sweater

Andrew: [00:03:49] or something just moved it.

But yeah, I do. Where did I

Emily: [00:03:53] buy emergency sweater?

Andrew: [00:03:55] I have an emergency polo. It’s a wrinkle-free

Emily: [00:03:58] polo. And

Andrew: [00:03:59] I think it was trying to put it through the wash. I think it was time to put it into the wash this time, but there’s usually one sitting right on top of my amp. Cause that’s the place to put a wrinkle-free polos is on AMS, not beer, no beer on the up just wrinkle-free polos.

Uh,

Emily: [00:04:18] I have been guilty. Not it’s not in your app, not on your own.

Andrew: [00:04:23] Yeah, I don’t think I put a drink on there since I put the first, uh, the first beer I used to Christen it just on top of the amp for about three minutes for a photo and then gentler, never again,

Emily: [00:04:36] never again.

Andrew: [00:04:37] And the can of beer was orange, Georgetown.

Emily: [00:04:40] Oh, this is orange. My can of mimosa.

Andrew: [00:04:44] You need to up your game. Young lady. Why. More orange. It’s October.

Emily: [00:04:51] Look how orange that is.

Andrew: [00:04:54] I can see that, but, and

Emily: [00:04:58] going into my limited

Andrew: [00:05:00] edition, my can is also orange.

Emily: [00:05:05] I believe with words. Yes. Oh, it’s a high, it’s like a cafeteria talking rain.

Andrew: [00:05:09] It is a cafe talking right now.

I don’t have just one, but I have two. So I’ve got double the amount of orange cans than you. Geez,

Emily: [00:05:17] dude, don’t worry about it.

Andrew: [00:05:22] And like, I’ve got one orange guitar, but if you think about it, sunburst has orange in it. So that makes for another three.

Emily: [00:05:31] No, I didn’t tell you. I’m going. I’m getting a sunburst. Um, I ordered a bass, a Squire basics.

Andrew: [00:05:36] Nice, nice, nice.

Emily: [00:05:39] Yeah, Rick was it Rick expressed interest and when my husband expresses interest in like, Guitar stuff I’m like 50 to get it.

Andrew: [00:05:52] Yep. NASA has also been expressing interest and, uh, we’re exploring what it would look like today to join up as a team between this endeavor right here on my head was brand new.

Emily: [00:06:06] It’s cute. It’s sloppy.

Andrew: [00:06:09] It’s the flu. It’s the fluff ball.

Emily: [00:06:12] The warmth is in the puff. The Palm actually that’s called a Palm. The warmth is in the Palm as my friend, Katie cool guys.

Andrew: [00:06:18] But if you ever see me just do this, like in the middle of the podcast, I swear. It’s just, cause I’ve spent too much time with Kat.

Emily: [00:06:24] I was about to say, are you a cat?

Andrew: [00:06:27] Um, I, I think I’m not, but I’m still waiting on my 23 and me results back and

not giving them my DNA.

Emily: [00:06:39] I did that. My whole family did that. It was interesting. We are all from the exact same places in Europe. How share pricing? Well, a lot of us, a lot of West Virginia, which I am proud of my, uh, I’m from Ohio, but I’m proud. I’m proud of that. Appalachian heritage West Virginia, uh, separated from Virginia cause slavery and everyone makes fun of West Virginia, but they were, uh, an abolitionists state.

And I think that’s pretty

Andrew: [00:07:04] cool. That is pretty cool. I’m a fan of that, but I’m not likely to, I actually do one of those willingly. Um, but we’ll see, I don’t know,

Emily: [00:07:15] 23 and me, it doesn’t give your DNA to, uh, um, what are they called? Like FBI

Andrew: [00:07:23] to the pigeons. It’s the white

Emily: [00:07:25] pigeons. Well, they have caught some very, very bad guys through the, uh, less, less reputable ones.

Like Joseph, um, uh, the golden state killer, uh, just something the Angelo.

Andrew: [00:07:41] Yeah, look. So, I mean, I jaywalked a couple of years ago and I would really hate for that to come back to bite me.

Emily: [00:07:48] It’s not really illegal in Seattle.

Andrew: [00:07:50] I didn’t know that. Yeah. As

Emily: [00:07:52] long as there’s only one instance where it’s truly really illegal.

Um, and if it’s, if, if you’re like downtown and your block is flanked by, uh, Stoplights then it’s then you’re not supposed to jaywalk, but if it’s any other, like any other street, any, every intersections across walk and Seattle. So technically at any intersection, cars were supposed to give pedestrians the right of way.

Um, and crossing in the middle of the street is not a crime unless, um, you don’t yield for the car. And then it’s not the car’s fault. Like in the middle, in the middle of, if it’s not an intersection it’s only illegal. If. You get hit basically.

Andrew: [00:08:33] All right. Then I regret having canceled my annual Frogger competition.

Geez, dude, we only lost three people last year and we call that Darwinism. That’s really, the human race is better off that way. So. Oops.

They hadn’t, they hadn’t reproduced yet. You say stuff for me to keep growing.

Emily: [00:09:09] You predicted everything.

Andrew: [00:09:12] I don’t know, maybe I should start buying lottery tickets. Cause I feel like I’ve the things I say, offhandedly. It’s never the things I think about. Like if okay, now that’s gonna, like, it’s always the things I’m like, wouldn’t it be funny if we add a plague?

It’s

Emily: [00:09:29] funny. It

Andrew: [00:09:31] was a little funny, but

Emily: [00:09:34] right away, I was like, that’s awesome.

Andrew: [00:09:36] Also more funny now because of how. Not funny. It is, it’s a coping mechanism. I’m laughing because it’s sad.

Emily: [00:09:47] So, uh, what’s new with you other than your, uh, attire.

Andrew: [00:09:52] Uh, that, that is new. What’s new with me. Um, I have been. Okay. So I’ve been going strong with the, uh, with the snazzy design courtesy of Joe bragging and that’s been selling

Emily: [00:10:06] that’s like the, the, the vintage, um, the vintage, like little drinky cups from taco bell.

I think that, yeah, it’s modeled after the judge just cause why don’t you just show people?

Andrew: [00:10:21] Um, let’s see here.

Emily: [00:10:23] Visualize.

Andrew: [00:10:27] I am going to do this carefully. Leave it to me to just like drop it. All right. So right there, the DOD volume is the, uh, the topper. I’ve got that for a whole bunch of different. Units and a whole bunch of them were behind me.

One, I’m really excited for it.

Emily: [00:10:46] Get back on the mic,

Andrew: [00:10:48] the, uh, the one that I’m really excited to see that, um, for a unit that I don’t personally own, but a customer ordered one is a helix. Cannot wait for that to arrive in, to see the photos, the customer photos of that. That would make me incredibly happy.

Nice, but no seriously that’s been selling really well. I think that’s, if that happens as an already passed up my numbers on the best selling design yet it’s coming close. Um, so I’m super psyched on that and I’ve got other designs coming out and I’m feeling, feeling pretty good about some of the stuff I’ve gotten the works kind of just filling out some, some really basic designs.

I think the, um, Last week when we were talking with mrs. Smith and talking about nostalgia and the kind of really sparked like this, like, Oh man, like that’s exactly kind of what I’ve been thinking, but I just needed someone to say that out loud to kind of just like really lodge that in my brain and for it to rattle around.

And so I’ve been really thinking on that in the last week and wondering, like what. I’m getting so discombobulated here. So like art so important though, right? Like. Are super important. It’s a great form of communication. It’s able to do so much for our, that we collectively know and love and understand.

There’s kind of that, that unity, that nostalgia, and a lot of the things we talked about last week with mr. Smith, and I’m realizing that part of the reason why I’ve been entirely, really hesitant to just start watching designs in the shop, just for the sake of having something in there. Is that just, if there’s not a good reason to have the design there, it feels weird for me.

Yeah. I’ve got. I’ve probably got 10 ish, maybe 15 ish, just designs that have got, yeah. Laying around that have kind of sketched together that I could probably release at some point, but none of them really hit that like resonates. Like I feel the need that I need to make this part of the brand, part of the image, part of the messaging that we’re sending out part of the story.

And so I’ve really been sitting on that this week, um, and uh, really happy with how I think the, uh, the shnazzy topper fits into it. And to that end, uh, now that I’m really kind of boiling down and try to figure out what’s coming up next, I’m, I’m really kind of excited to take that to the next level. So that’s one part of the other part of it is boom.

I have a church. It is swell with my soul

Emily: [00:13:12] merge. There it is.

Andrew: [00:13:14] Okay. And a unapologetically phenomenal gear pun.

Emily: [00:13:19] Yeah, that’s a good one. I’m I can imagine. It’s good. Once you explained it to me,

Andrew: [00:13:23] it’s got that nice blend of a, kind of a callback to a, an old Christian hymn that, uh, you hear in both Christian and non Christian context is just kind of one of those timeless classic songs.

And then just, you know, swells are cool and that smells so it’s kind of like a nice, like, Christian, but also universal kind of just really happy. We all love this kind of a feeling. So, and I think, I think the idea of just like it is swell of my soldiers feel so peaceful. And I just need more of that this year.

And I can’t imagine I’m the only one. So

Emily: [00:13:59] say like talking about swells, I’ve had a couple of volume pedals and this is going to sound so fricking weird to say. Like I had the emission volume pedal. I have a little, um, I think it’s called mojo, but it’s just like the most petite of the volume pedals. But the Ernie ball, the Ernie ball of VP junior tuner, that’s got the smoothest swell.

Like I’m like, Oh, I freaking get it. Like, Oh my God, it was night and day. Yay. It was just so different. And I love that thing. I know. You’re, you’re, you’re going to get one too. Um, and I know that like, You said like, Oh, I don’t see the point in having like the levels visible. Um, I’ve only played one show with it and I loved that feature.

Oh, well I love that because it works for how I play.

Andrew: [00:14:51] Right, exactly. That’s what year should be gear should be there to serve you and to help you create music. Um, but yeah, no, the I’ve got, let’s see here. I’ve got one too. Three four, five, six, seven volume pedals right now. Huh?

Emily: [00:15:16] But you need them because it’s part of your R and D and your,

Andrew: [00:15:19] Oh yeah, definitely part of all of that, but it’s also given me a chance to like side-by-side through several, several different units all the way from an old Goodrich, which is vaguely dated in the nineties.

Um, for the unit I’ve got. That as old as I am and all the way up through like something that stuff that I’ve bought this year, that’s available in the market right now. And just seeing the difference in the field. And it makes me so mad. I haven’t tried the one that I’ve heard that replicates that quality feeling that the VP jr has is the Laylay.

And I haven’t got my hands on that yet. That’s going to be one of my next purchases. But as far as like the sub 200 category, you just can’t beat the feel of the VP jr. I hate it. Cause it’s got that string, but you just can’t beat it.

Emily: [00:16:08] Yeah. And I don’t know God, I wish I remember off the top of my head when I was talking to Robert Randolph for a reverb.com article, I wrote about pedal steel players.

He was just waxing poetic about this volume pedal. I was up later and it was like five or $600 volume pedal. I’m like. You

Andrew: [00:16:24] better be waxing, poetic.

Emily: [00:16:27] That better be the best damn volume pedal on the planet.

Andrew: [00:16:32] Yeah, no, I think the, well, what’s the lady coming in at these days.

Emily: [00:16:38] Are you bouncing your leg up and down?

Andrew: [00:16:41] No.

Emily: [00:16:42] Okay. Cause I just feel like there’s this little gentle shake that happens sometimes.

Andrew: [00:16:46] Yeah. So the camera’s like rested on a laptop that I’m not really using right now, but if I just.

Emily: [00:16:52] Oh, yeah, there it went. There went, yeah,

Andrew: [00:16:54] just, just enough shake. Um, so the Layla is coming in@threehundreddollarsfromsweetwater.com brand new.

Um, but there’s no string. I’d want to say that one’s a mechanical or it’s a magnetic or it’s, there’s a invisible field of sorts that gets used for that.

Emily: [00:17:11] It was like a theremin, like a therum and S

Andrew: [00:17:14] I know that sounds, that sounds like what it might be.

Emily: [00:17:17] That sounds like that’s what it looks like, Brian from

Andrew: [00:17:20] bookworm or nice magnetic sensor.

There we go. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I’ve heard nothing but phenomenal things about that, but I mean, $300. It’s not necessarily accessible. And so that’s why I’m always like, if you, if you don’t have the money for something super high end at VP jr. For something that, especially for the folks that don’t gig that often, it’s just really hard to beat.

And whenever someone’s like, well, what if the string breaks mid set? I’m like, well, that sucks. But there’s a really handy dandy work around. Um, if on the back of you guys in and out in a tuner out that tuner out his full volume all the time, no matter what bypasses the potential amateur. So if you’re in the middle of the gig and it just dies on you and

Emily: [00:18:01] all the way forward,

Andrew: [00:18:02] you just swap out the cable and bypassing, you don’t have to rip the whole thing off the board or go like, does anybody have a 12 inch patch cable?

I did a 12 inch cut. Like you don’t have to. Yeah. That’s not necessary.

Emily: [00:18:15] That’s good to know, honestly.

Andrew: [00:18:18] It’s super handy and I’ve seen it. I haven’t had I say this now. I haven’t had a VP junior string break on me yet, but I’ve seen it happen for other people and like been there. My

Emily: [00:18:27] girl,

Andrew: [00:18:29] calm down, calm down.

Let me help you. Okay. We’re good. Finish the gig.

Emily: [00:18:34] Gosh, sorry. I just got, I just got memories of, um, one time we were playing in Portland. And, um, so a few practices before Portland, our basis, Isaac broke one of their bass strings. And it was like the first time that had ever happened to them during I’m sorry.

No, it was during a gig. It was during a gig. Uh, we were playing with, uh, Joey from , um, and, uh, their bass string broke and, uh, then we were going to Portland and, uh, Jenna was like, The the, the first band, um, one of them broke a string and, you know, I was like, I don’t know how y’all break strings. I’ve never broken a string moments into the first song.

She broke a string.

So I’m like never, ever say this is no. Well, that’s never happened to me. Cause that is just asking for it.

Andrew: [00:19:33] I’m not superstitious, but I’m a little stitious and that sounds. That sounds like you’re, uh, you’re asking for it.

Emily: [00:19:43] Yeah. You gonna ask what’s new with me.

Andrew: [00:19:46] I was about to say that and I was like, I’m just going to get one last slip in

Emily: [00:19:50] one last check,

Andrew: [00:19:52] check, check, check, check.

I swear. There’s no vodka in there. Um, so what’s new with you.

Emily: [00:20:00] Oh my God. So much is new with me, Andrew. It’s been a weird week.

Andrew: [00:20:03] Should I just like kick back and.

Emily: [00:20:05] So, um, yeah, as we’re filming this yesterday, that’d be Friday. The second of my, the guitar.com live virtual trade show and guitar conference started off.

And my panel perfecting your pedal board, which I did with Eric, from living room gear, demos, and grant from Goodwood audio went live. So that was fun. You can watch, anybody can watch that now. All right.

Andrew: [00:20:29] All right. If you had to, without spoiling the reason that like that we should all go and watch it. Like, what’s something that like really, like, might’ve been surprising, like draw me in and give me a reason to go spend part of my weekend to watch this.

Emily: [00:20:43] Well, grant from Goodwood audio has some pretty, uh, heated opinions about tutors and about pitch shifting pedals. Especially.

Andrew: [00:20:57] Alright. And he’s he’s Australian, right?

Emily: [00:21:00] He’s not Australian he’s Canadian. He moved to Australia and then as everyone I’ve ever, like, he visited Australia. And as most of the people I know who I’ve ever visited Australia has happened to them.

He met a person and fell in love with that person and he moved there. That’s happened to. Three women. I know three women I know have just like gone for vacation in Australia. The cook islands met an Australian man and just been like, I’m going to stay here.

Andrew: [00:21:38] I mean, it’s the accent. It’s gotta be the accent or,

Emily: [00:21:41] or the, uh,

Andrew: [00:21:43] or the, the relative resemblance to Hugh Jackman. I think it’s one of those two things. Just immediate sex appeal.

Emily: [00:21:51] He is a handsome man. He’s a very talented singer. He’s a showman. Like he is just like an old school showman.

Andrew: [00:21:59] He is. He is indeed.

Emily: [00:22:02] Um, as one of the things I got for doing the panel. Oh,

Andrew: [00:22:08] reach, reach, reach,

Emily: [00:22:10] reach breech.

Andrew: [00:22:12] Wait, wait. It’s got a cable on it. It’s got a kick. Oh, it’s good. Is that what a lovely cardboard box. Oh,

Emily: [00:22:22] come on, dude. Harmony model 48, 18 reissue. It’s a little five watt amp, just the volume knob.

Andrew: [00:22:35] Nice.

Emily: [00:22:36] And two inputs. It’s too sweet.

A little baby too.

Andrew: [00:22:43] I love it.

Emily: [00:22:44] It’s so cute and little,

Andrew: [00:22:47] I assume this is going to be yet another piece of gear that, uh, I’m not going to be able to steal from you indefinitely.

Emily: [00:22:52] You’re not gonna be able to steal it all. It’s mine.

Andrew: [00:22:57] Well, consider me, consider me jealous and congratulations. Well deserved. Yeah.

Emily: [00:23:01] And

Andrew: [00:23:02] I’m happy

Emily: [00:23:03] for you. I also have a couple other pedals. Like I’m a little bit behind in my demos because, uh, well, not, not that people can see, like, people didn’t know what this looked like before, but I moved, I kind of rearranged my office and I’m just waiting for my new desk to arrive. And then when mind you desk arrives, I’ll be more, um, set up to do demos the way I think they should be done.

But, uh, first thing on my list is this little, uh, Sweet little ghost Ridge by name it’ll

Andrew: [00:23:35] snap. Look at that.

Emily: [00:23:37] Yeah, it’s cool. It only has two knobs, but it has four presets and secondary features. So the mix is secondary feature. You hold that down to access at like Ameris pedal, and then you can set between four different kinds of reverb and then you can set the depth.

And then the hold down, the set, like the amount of modulation in the river. So it’s really neat. I think that’s, I always think it’s slick when they do that. Um, versus having more knobs, but it’s, it’s really neat. I like having the four preset. So this is probably going to be the first, um, new pedal demo. I also have the mic RO causam by hologram effects on my list for demo.

I have a, you heard that didn’t you. Uh, I have, um, this app I’m really excited about, uh, demoing in tandem with the Tyszko interface. And, uh, I have some more pickups swaps. I’m gonna be,

Oh, Oh no,

Andrew: [00:24:43] I will be back ever so briefly

Emily: [00:24:47] if I can briefly. Oh,

Andrew: [00:24:51] Oh,

Emily: [00:24:59] got to take this moment to play guitar. I’ve been trying to learn the, I need to move this desk forward. I’m learning lots of new things about this. The part of the reason I changed my setup was because the desk had been against the wall, which I didn’t love. But then this corner of the desk was also against the wall, which meant that I had to, it was, I couldn’t play guitar with just sing in front of my computer.

Very well.

Andrew: [00:25:47] Is this the hold music.

Emily: [00:25:52] Yeah, sure. That was caravan. That was that

Andrew: [00:25:55] song.

I feel. So

Emily: [00:26:05] I’m not going to cut that.

Wait, hold on. How would, how would you do that?

Andrew: [00:26:21] But that’s how we do it, right?

Emily: [00:26:22] Yes.

Andrew: [00:26:24] Mama shark impression.

Emily: [00:26:28] Um, so this week’s episode to get off set podcast is sponsored by distro kid. Woo. I have been playing even more with the stroke head. I’m going to do another video about some of their, um, more unique feature feature set pretty soon, but I just used the stroke head to for the first time to schedule a release.

So that was pretty neat. Yeah. So I, uh, uh, as you, as I think I mentioned, I was part of this, um, compilation. Uh, songs about flowers from people across the globe called violet out, get off set podcast.com, go to the interviews and editorial section at the bottom of the homepage to learn more about that. Um, but just as an experiment, uh, I uploaded it single under my own name.

So you can either buy the, or listen to the compilation, or you can just listen to the single, I recommend listening to the whole compilation. It’s lovely, but I just wanted to experiment with that. And sure enough, the day I said to go live, it was in every store I wanted to go live. I gave it maybe about two weeks lead time and, uh, it worked really, really seamlessly for scheduling.

So that was really fantastic. I didn’t have to worry about it. I was like, Oh my God, did it happen? Oh, here’s all my confirmation that it happened.

Andrew: [00:27:52] That’s a, that actually sounds pretty slick,

Emily: [00:27:55] huh? Sure. You’re wondering why you got like why we got like 25 emails yesterday.

Andrew: [00:27:59] Yes. I was going to ask about that and I’m like, my phone’s blowing and usually, so my phones are blowing up lately.

This is completely off topic, but I’m going to share anyways. Alright, that’s what I do. And, but no, I got the new wifi system a couple months ago and it came with like it’s own version of a Bluetooth enabled firewall where like connects to my phone and gives me alerts when something like someone tries to access a site or,

Emily: [00:28:26] yeah, I think, I think I’d say similar.

Andrew: [00:28:29] Um, which I’m like, I don’t care enough to disable it. Um, but I don’t really need it cause I’ve got other stuff going on from my home private network and you know it, so yeah, we’ll ignore that part, but it’s been blowing it like crazy. And only when my, uh, my mom and Melissa are playing a game on their phone called balls.

I, and it’s only because like the. The ads, some of the ad servers that tries to pull up are getting flagged as a, um, as spam, which is exactly what they are. And so when they try to open it up, it’s like blocking it and then it sends me a notification. But the problem is like with game maps, you get a fresh set of ads after every round and around takes 30 seconds to a minute.

So when they play, sometimes it’s like, it’ll go off like 45 times in half an hour. I’m like make it. So my oldest.

Which it started to get like a little annoying. And then I realized, wait a minute. I, I know when they’re playing games.

Emily: [00:29:35] I mean, it sounds really annoying. Yeah.

Andrew: [00:29:37] Well, they’re both obsessed to them. Like, Oh man. I wish like Melissa was like awake right now. And then I just check my phone. It’s like buzzing, like crazy.

I’m like, Oh, she’s definitely not napping in the back. She’s playing games. All right. All right. I got you. Busted

Emily: [00:29:55] self hoppy for a second

Andrew: [00:29:58] and then she’s Hey, sweetie. Nope. Okay. Fine. Be that way.

Emily: [00:30:06] Yeah. So do you want to shout the other, uh, sponsor spun loud? I mean, you do love orange things.

Oh, you’re in pants.

It’s Velcroed down. You jerk. How dare you Velcro down my pedal.

Andrew: [00:30:30] It’s not Velcro down.

Emily: [00:30:32] Okay. That’s fair.

Andrew: [00:30:36] I started my cables to the exact right length for every table. So they just fit.

Emily: [00:30:45] Okay, so that’s almost worse

Andrew: [00:30:48] cause this is where the Mount hood was before. So pull the Mount hood off and through this exactly.

The chain, cause it’s a Pfizer, it’s fitting the, at the same purpose as before

Emily: [00:30:56] I always talked about like how aesthetically appealing this pedal is, but we’ve never actually been able to show it.

Andrew: [00:31:03] I know it’s just, I feel bad that I let a little dust get on it just from being in my, I feel like.

Emily: [00:31:14] And we have your toolbox right there.

Andrew: [00:31:17] It’s my work bench. All right. So we’re going to dust this off and then we’ll show it off. Alright.

Emily: [00:31:20] This is,

Andrew: [00:31:22] this is the eight plus treatment that we give our pedals. We’re not even going to give that to the King of tone. That’s sitting right next to it. Alright, so this is okay.

This is, I’m going to regret this here soon. Alright, but a duh,

Emily: [00:31:38] this is beautiful rounded edges. Y’all

Andrew: [00:31:40] the spun loud. We’ll stir in peel. And before my, before my pinky gives out, I’m just going to set this down. Uh, but like go back posit, take a quick look at like those nice rounded edges and you’ll understand why I swear it reminds me of rents candy, like those nice round edges on it.

Just, yeah.

Emily: [00:32:02] It just leaves me in a good way. Not a good way, Dan.

Andrew: [00:32:05] Oh, that’s an absolute, like that say like I’m now hungry. I want diabetes. I want to live life to the fullest. And when I say forced, I mean, just like my stomach and my

Emily: [00:32:14] God, I just realized now everybody’s going to see the, the facial reactions I have.

When you say something like that,

Andrew: [00:32:23] I’m going to be able to see the facial reactions, which you know what that’s doing. Cause that’s just egging me on. Oh, my God.

Emily: [00:32:30] I love my favorite comments about the mystery fuzz video that you filmed the intro for was that Emily’s face doesn’t lie. Like, no, it does not.

It’s I wish it did. I can’t pull. I can’t be like, yeah, that’s great. I liked that a lot.

Andrew: [00:32:53] I actually haven’t sat down to watch the video yet, so I don’t know what your take was on the fuzz.

Emily: [00:32:58] I didn’t talk during that demo at all. It was before I was talking during demos, but, um, I think my face spoke more loudly than words.

I think at one point I just go

and then I stopped the video,

Andrew: [00:33:11] but not really do it.

Emily: [00:33:15] Andrew. One of them literally does nothing.

Andrew: [00:33:22] It is. If you open it up, it’s attached. Did you open it up to show?

Emily: [00:33:26] I did not. I’m sorry to say it was like, I was looking at him like, what the hell? Like it’s the leftmost knob. Didn’t do Jack squat. And the other knobs didn’t seem to do something, but it was like taking any sound. You had to have them like, either like dead in the middle.

Like you couldn’t have them all the way down or all the way up. It was like backwards or something.

Senders are working overtime right now.

Are you going to open up live?

Andrew: [00:34:09] Ah, shoot.

I’ve got to let her shoot, I’ve run this one.

But

Emily: [00:34:21] yeah, it’s very in and out fuzz. You really should have used a better microphone to fill that video, by the way,

Andrew: [00:34:26] I just use my phone and I figured you’d like normalize it in post and then I forgot something.

Emily: [00:34:31] I tried to fix as much. I fixed as much as I

Andrew: [00:34:33] could. I was running at a time. Yeah.

Emily: [00:34:37] I had to, uh, remove noise and boost it some.

Andrew: [00:34:43] Um, but yes, I think maybe, uh, we started doing this more often. Maybe I should get like a, a lapel of sorts. Uh,

Emily: [00:34:50] levelly or Mike

Andrew: [00:34:52] indeed.

Emily: [00:34:53] Yeah, I have one. I don’t use it very often because just like the essence 57 with the launcher sounds a lot better than the lav mic, but, um, I don’t know. I know zoom makes them really good.

Like laugh my thing. So maybe I’ll look into that.

Andrew: [00:35:09] All right. So let the record show that there’s only two screws on the back of this.

Emily: [00:35:14] Oh, I forgot about that.

Andrew: [00:35:15] So we’re just gonna,

Emily: [00:35:16] we’re gonna take a scratch board. Yeah.

Andrew: [00:35:22] So if you look closely, it, the, all of the lines are painted in copper, copper paint lines.

Interesting. Uh, and then the Velcro on the back is just to keep it from grounding out. Right, right, right, right, right. Um, and then there’s,

Emily: [00:35:37] they didn’t want us, that’s like one of, I forget what those are called, but like, Normally you just scratch from the scratches from one point to another.

Andrew: [00:35:46] Yeah, no, it’s not scratch word.

It’s literally, that is just paint, but there’s copper paint. And I don’t know if I’ve seen that before on a DIY. So like you don’t, this isn’t like something that someone populated, um, for fun, like they, they had to like build this out, like really planned how this is all gonna go. Um, if I take off peel back the, uh, the Velcro a little bit here, I mean,

Emily: [00:36:11] Yeah, that’s interesting.

That’s a lot of solder. That’s some messy, that’s like some big, big groups. I do wish I hadn’t been worried, like doing that. I’m like, is it excellent. Lillian got to touch the next step point there.

Andrew: [00:36:27] This was worth all $20 that I spent on it.

Emily: [00:36:31] Sure.

Andrew: [00:36:37] Yeah. There’s definitely stuff. And you’re like, that’s just a jumper. That’s not even a resistor. That’s just a, like a jumper to, because they must have like, missed, done one of their lines or added something that didn’t need to be there. But yeah. Got a rainbow fish cap in there. Like there’s like one random rainbow fish, cat.

There’s a mustard cap. There’s just like some random stuff in here. That’s just, um, there’s a germanium. Uh, it’s just like, it looks like a mismatch of things. Um, they are alphabets, which are not the worst quality, um, not

Emily: [00:37:13] the word. That’s a glowing endorsement.

Andrew: [00:37:16] And the, uh, the closure is an NSC made in China.

So, but yeah, no, the knobs, like one of the knobs straight up does like next to nothing. And the volume knob does something in the gain knob kind of takes it from like 90% to a hundred percent. So it really only does one sound, but I think it’s kind of the fun sound. Like I’m not going to put it on my main rig, but it’s still kind of fun to plug in every once in a while.

And you’re like, there we go. That, is that a sound?

Emily: [00:37:43] Yeah. I mean, it’s, it’s very Velcro. That was a good word that you used.

Andrew: [00:37:47] It’s it’s it’s

Emily: [00:37:50] super freaking quiet.

Andrew: [00:37:52] It sounds great on base. I don’t know if he had a chance to try.

Emily: [00:37:55] I did. I didn’t do it on base because I did not want to

Andrew: [00:37:59] it’s sometimes the nastiest, like most like un-fun fuzzes on guitars sound the best on bass.

To me, maybe that’s just something wrong with what my perception of what they should sound like,

but.

Emily: [00:38:12] No, I think that’s fair. I think that they’re like, like a woolly mammoth. Isn’t the kind of fuzz that’s like for everybody, but it does sound especially cool on base, I think.

Andrew: [00:38:20] Yeah. So, Oh, and the, I don’t know if you noticed, but the, um, the knobs are labeled gain.

Don’t tone and volume.

Emily: [00:38:30] They were labeled. Where were they labeled?

Andrew: [00:38:34] It’s labeled on the back. And I don’t know if you can even see it, but it’s in like blue pen.

Emily: [00:38:40] Oh, geez. Yeah. I didn’t notice that.

Andrew: [00:38:42] And then like the knobs, like the direction for what were the numbers?

Emily: [00:38:46] Crashes. Yeah.

Andrew: [00:38:49] Yeah.

Emily: [00:38:51] Like they tried

Andrew: [00:38:54] it’s

Emily: [00:38:55] I tried,

Andrew: [00:38:56] I just want to know who had the audacity to say, I’ll try to sell this for 89 99 at a flea market because that’s the person I bought it.

Emily: [00:39:05] She paid that much for it.

Andrew: [00:39:07] She didn’t say that’s how much she paid for it, but I’d be willing to bet she did.

Emily: [00:39:12] Well, I just would. Okay. So I would hope that you would not like you would haggle anything at a flea market down, but from $89, I think like the most you could reasonably haggle would be like 60

Andrew: [00:39:22] bucks, right?

Yeah. I don’t

Emily: [00:39:26] know whether or not she got 50, $60 worth of enjoyment out of it.

Andrew: [00:39:29] Less than a hundred dollars made in America, supporting small business.

Emily: [00:39:34] Not all businesses, small businesses are where they are,

Andrew: [00:39:39] but that’s kind of a kind of stepping in the direction of our topic this week.

Emily: [00:39:44] Oh, is that how you’re going to pull us into that?

Andrew: [00:39:50] Uh, I think that is, uh, so that little fuzz was 89 99 at a flea market, a list price who knows what it actually sold for. And the fact that I bought it for $20, uh, is actually a talking point for later this episode.

But we’ll talk about, uh, getting into that topic. There’s a new lineup of pedals from J H S for $99 a pop

Emily: [00:40:14] what’s the line of call it. I forgot.

Andrew: [00:40:17] Oh, God, I should know this.

Emily: [00:40:18] Oh no.

I know Ryan Burke

Andrew: [00:40:26] three series. Cause it’s got three knobs.

Emily: [00:40:29] Oh, okay. That’s

Andrew: [00:40:31] really going out on a limb with the other naming convention, but it’s simple. It’s clear messaging. I can appreciate that.

Emily: [00:40:37] Yeah. Um, it’s about what? Seven petals?

Andrew: [00:40:42] Uh, yeah, there’s seven pedals that they released. Um, so I think compression, overdrive, distortion, phys, uh, chorus, reverb, delay, and something else.

Emily: [00:40:55] Chorus, compressor, delay, distortion, fuzz, overdrive, Reaver. They are all like the exact same enclosure. They’re the same color or the same layout. Like they all have three knobs and a toggle and, and put an outfit on the side. Uh, kind of toward the bottom, a lot, a lot of empty space in the design, like aesthetically all of the same font.

Like these are very slim, very utilitarian about them. And I think it was kind of odd choice, an odd choice for them to release such kind of plain looking pedals when I’ve always thought. The fun thing about JHS was like, their design was never like whomp located, but it was always colorful. It had a fun, little graphic on it.

Like. It was kind of sweet and simple, but they’ve seen like with their like legends of FAS series, those were also all the same, like almost identical enclosures. Um, like they are, they, are they just kind of like going more into that vein? Like, are they kind of going into it’s like this thing almost utilitarian about it, but not quite,

Andrew: [00:42:02] uh, I mean, It sure seems that they’re going that direction and I can’t fully speak to what their, their business intentions are obviously, but I mean, that’s two series in a row that’s that’s lent that direction.

Emily: [00:42:16] Yeah. That aesthetic. And those were both like actually how much were the legends of a series where those, those were affordable. Right?

Andrew: [00:42:22] Those were affordable. I want to say they’re in the ballpark of a hundred dollars as well,

Emily: [00:42:26] one 79.

Andrew: [00:42:30] So ballpark.

Emily: [00:42:34] That’s a big percentage difference, dude. That’s like an 80%

Andrew: [00:42:39] difference. Yeah. Well, if we’re talking data, uh, for a financial forecasting, that’s, that’s flex room right

Emily: [00:42:47] now, but I’m also the, the 66 series. Like those were at least different colors, but they also didn’t have really any graphics on them. These are the same knobs they use the same enclosure.

Um, most of them have the same number of not my, uh, knobs. So I do kind of wonder if they’re just kind of going in this more like simplistic sort of a static. And I think that’s weird to say this, but, uh, and I kind of, I don’t know why I’m about to say this when Debbie ever was at the end of her kind of pedal company journey, she had made some comments about like, I used to really like doing the fund designs, but nobody wants that.

They just want like really plain looking pedals. It seems like. And cause that’s what sold better for her. So I wonder if Josh, Scott is kind of experiencing the same thing, not that any of his pedals were like outrageous looking, but these are all, these are also, these are all clearly the same mockup is what is kind of like, these are not different photographs of actual pedals.

These are literally mockups when you look at them. Yeah. Look at them all at the same time on the JHS website, they all have. Um, the foot switch, the lighting is kind of reflecting off of the top, right. Top left. Um, part of that, um, bolt and the shadows are all identical.

Andrew: [00:44:10] They’re not cause the, the, the bowl on the foot switches, different rotation on each of the photos,

Emily: [00:44:16] not where I’m looking on the actual website on the product part of the website.

Yep. No, I disagree.

Andrew: [00:44:25] That is demonstrably. They’re indifferent.

Emily: [00:44:28] They’re the chorus,

Andrew: [00:44:29] the chorus that’s perfectly flat across the top. Then the compressor, you got a point sticking out at the top. That is not the, for the, for the rotation of the bolt.

Emily: [00:44:39] That’s not what I’m seeing. I’m looking@jhspedals.info forward slash current

Andrew: [00:44:43] pedals.

I’m looking@ghspedals.info.

Emily: [00:44:50] Oh, dude, you’re looking at the, of course the hero image is an actual photography shot. They’re not rotating the pedal. I clicked on current pedals.

Andrew: [00:44:59] Okay. Let’s click on Kern battles,

Emily: [00:45:02] dude. How dumb do you think I am?

Andrew: [00:45:05] Well, I that’s why I was confused. Like that’s definitely not. Okay. Yes. These are mockups.

Emily: [00:45:09] Yeah. Those are all not the products. The official product shots are our

Andrew: [00:45:13] mockups. I mean, I. That’s fine.

Emily: [00:45:18] That’s fine. I’m just pointing it out. It’s

Andrew: [00:45:20] interesting. That’s not abnormal.

Emily: [00:45:23] No, it’s not. It’s just interesting to

Andrew: [00:45:25] me. I mean, I don’t know. I, I think it’s, I think it fits a really nice niche and I’ve had a little bit of time to think about this, but I mean, so Earthquaker devices really seem to prove that there’s a market for like a $99 meat and potatoes effect.

Emily: [00:45:46] Boutique brand

Andrew: [00:45:47] from a Bootsie from a brand that you trust it’s made in America. You’ve got someone on the other end and

Emily: [00:45:53] the very least at the very least assembled America,

Andrew: [00:45:56] right? I mean, I’m not sure legally they’re calling it made in America. I don’t know what to agree that. We would agree with that, but I mean, if it meets a legal definition, it meets the legal definition on that one.

Emily: [00:46:08] It’s like Americans being paid to assemble them. So

Andrew: [00:46:11] yeah. I mean, you’re definitely employing Americans with your purchase. There’s no doubt about that. Totally. And I think there’s something to be said about that.

Emily: [00:46:19] I like it

Andrew: [00:46:20] from an economist standpoint, but yeah. No. And then you’ve got, I mean, it’s a brand that you trust GHS has been around for awhile and by and large, they’ve really gathered the trust of a large chunk of the community.

And you’ve got the customer service. You’ve got all of these things add up and it seems like for 90 to I knowledge, that’s such a great value. And Earthquaker did this with the plumes. The PLOS is their, their, their new iteration of their attempt or not attempt to, they did a phenomenal job, but their, uh, their take on the tube screamer.

The first round was the dunes slash the Palisades dunes was the single sizing of the Palisades was the larger three foot switches. And, um, and this time around, they did the, the, the plumes for $99. Everyone’s like, I’m sorry. Did he say, did he say $99 for a boutique tube screamer that accorded, like if I’m listening to Andy’s demo right here, like this is making the Vermeer, some stuff sounds.

Equitable. I mean this year, why would I pay $400 for something at that level when I could just get this plumes? And, and so they did a phenomenal job with that. They did some fun stuff with colors. I really like the design. They did. I would like the limited edition stuff. I mean, they went all in and I, and I really love what Earthquaker devices did with that.

Now, fast forward, we’ve got this coming out. This isn’t obviously they’re not doing like the fun colors that, uh, Earthquaker devices did, at least at this point, they’re just opening up with what, but it’s just. The same kind of, it seems to me very similar to this, to this $99 meat and potatoes. This will get you somewhere.

This is something for you to make music with. This is very much intended to be a tool and not like the ha the it factor. I’ve spent $400 on a reverb pedal

Emily: [00:48:06] or 900.

Andrew: [00:48:09] We’ll get into that another time. I still don’t know how to feel about that. Um,

Emily: [00:48:14] I feel very happy. I feel very happy for them. And a little sad for me.

Go back to JJ. No, I think you’re right. I think there’s obviously like if you can get like the cool brand and have the sound that you want, that’s really neat and cool. And I get it and I’m sure that that part of them being this very basic aesthetic is saving a little bit of money. Cause they’re not having to order.

Extremely different. I can’t imagine how, like with the price differences, it has to be small, but that can be bad

Andrew: [00:48:50] if you’re trying to get down to a $99 pedal, if you’ve just got them, all of your enclosures are white powder coated with the same drill, drill enclosure, and then you can have those all delivered and then go through the screen print process for the top

Emily: [00:49:05] screen, printing those themselves.

Andrew: [00:49:08] Maybe not, I mean, I’m sure that there’s a cost saving measure and having them all drilled the exact same way, powder coated the exact same way. And the screen print is really only mildly different. And so, I mean, I imagine that, I imagine that gets it down to as little as possible. Yeah. For where they’re at.

So to make room for the margin, for this to be AI, a viable business decision. I like

Emily: [00:49:35] that somebody already made bored of just those pedals. And when I like the first, the moment I saw them, cause I’ve been thinking about people who do like a color color block, kind of like color, like this one, all the pedals would be the same color, whether that’s black or pink or orange, um, And I’m like I would, and I’ve always felt about those boards.

I would just get so confused and this would be more confusing because not only are they the same color, they’re aesthetically extremely similar, like on a dark stage. You’re not, you would have to have like your signal chain more memorize because they’re the same color, but it has all the empty space.

Maybe you put a sticker on it or draw a little,

Andrew: [00:50:21] maybe I should just make some Fox Cairo. Labeled stickers for glowing in the dark and adding some color.

Emily: [00:50:27] Do do that

Andrew: [00:50:30] for market. Just the soup, like a straight up square. This is what this pedal is

Emily: [00:50:36] one inch spot or like one and a half inch, but one and a half inch square, like maybe like.

Yeah, dude, that dude

Andrew: [00:50:45] tell you why. If enough people say I would be seriously interested in that I might pay someone, say to design something for me and I can crank out some samples to send to folks.

Emily: [00:50:57] Someone like our Patrion supporter, Joe Bragga, if you want to support us on Patriot and you can do that.

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And I won’t edit anything.

Andrew: [00:51:27] And for that, I will be sober. So I will be having, I will have fun with that. Yeah.

Emily: [00:51:33] So let me look at, I’m trying to let it,

Andrew: [00:51:36] I can see it now. Like Emily, why is there Emily? There’s a giant spider. Emily are you? You need to kill the spider, kill the spider now. Kill it. And just watch you freak out.

Watch me die.

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Andrew: [00:53:21] Just like I’m going to pull it up. I’m like I check. Cause I checked the, the, the group chat pretty frequently.

Emily: [00:53:27] I have 81 unread messages.

Andrew: [00:53:29] I have 95, so I must have checked it because I spent the last few minutes before we hopped online to do this, uh, making sure everything was taken care of with the family and getting my own breakfast and 96 unread messages.

Been a busy Saturday morning, but seriously, we’re, we’re

Emily: [00:53:47] working. There’s been a lot happening in the world. There’s been a lot

Andrew: [00:53:49] happening. It’s not for this episode. It’s just not worth it this week. Um, let’s focus on the happy things in life

Emily: [00:53:59] a little bit. That’s a bit about the JHS. So, um,

Andrew: [00:54:02] I’ve got more thoughts on that though.

Emily: [00:54:03] Yeah. I w I’m interested to hear them.

Andrew: [00:54:08] Um, so, okay. So here’s my thoughts. And I’m going to go into like a weird head space for a moment, and you’re just, I apologize to the ramble in advance. So $99 for a made in America pedal. And like the argument you can make is like, well, if you’re, if you’re just looking for something super basic, it’s going to get the job done.

Why wouldn’t you just buy something like a Kayline or a Doner or a mover, like something for like that goes go for like 25, $30. And they’re, they’re small, they’re small footprint. So you don’t have to worry, like the side jacks don’t matter as much, because that would be my one thing with the JHS. I’m like, why did you do site jacks?

Emily: [00:54:47] Like a lot easier, I think.

Andrew: [00:54:49] Yeah, that’s fine. But

Emily: [00:54:49] especially with the knobs up where they are.

Andrew: [00:54:53] So no, but seriously, like you could get many pedal, that’s going to do the same job and I’m just, and that’s an argument could make, but I’m just looking at this going like, well, first of all, the resale value on those is trash.

And if you’re. Anything like the average guitar player a half, the fun of getting into the pedal game is, is buying and selling and trading and just exploring. I mean, that’s just, there’s so much fun to have in that, in that specific realm of like, not keeping stuff for forever and trading it around. If you’re going to go for the $30 route, you’re not, you’re going to sell that for $10 on.

Craigslist and drive an hour and a half to sell it. I mean, that’s just, that’s kind of the vibe that I get from that. It’s just not worth your time,

Emily: [00:55:38] hour and a half to sell it to,

Andrew: [00:55:41] of course, I’m being a little bit of a, that’s a bit of an exaggeration, but I mean, yeah, maybe it’s not,

Emily: [00:55:45] but I make people come to me

Andrew: [00:55:48] for a hundred dollars.

Realistically, I could see these reselling for 70 to 90, depending on how available they are and what the, once these fully hit the market with the overall, like understanding is of how well they are. And I think it’s for them that I think they’re trying to find that fine line. And I think Earthquaker found it.

And they’re following suit on that. And because if you look at it like the cheap knockoff brand pedals, sure. That’s not going to do it. But if we look back a few years, TC electronic did this with their $50 pedal series. You remember that? And they’re a little bit bulky, but they were top jacks. Um, and they top jacks, they, they were, a lot of them were, this is right after they got bought up by Berenger.

And so a lot of the unit, the circuits in there were kind of. Redesigned a reframe circuit gets from old Berenger units. And so there’s some familiar sounds they’re tried and true tested, uh, and they didn’t sell super great for what I expect in themselves. They came out when I was working at guitar center and that’s why I remember it so vividly is it was a really mixture response.

And then you went from some were $50 and then some of them weren’t for $60. And then

Emily: [00:57:04] they just, for those are the ones that you could like get three for a hundred bucks on black Friday that year. Yes.

Andrew: [00:57:09] Yep. Um, so it seems like that should have dine here crazy. Well, cause let’s be honest, not everyone who’s into this hobby is full flush with cash.

Like we all know super rich, Steve flush with cash.

Everybody is, and that I want this to be an accessible industry and an accessible hobby, a community, and not feel like you have to spend five grand and sell your children to participate. And so you would think that like the TC electronic that fits that nice in between. And somehow I just, I, I don’t see them that often.

I certainly don’t hear them talked about in any sort of sense of like there’s hype. The resell value is trash last I checked. And so it feels like there was a great swing bigness in terms of trying to fit that niche of, I want something good and relaxing. Oh, that’s the other thing is the foot switch on those foot switches on those had a tendency to just crap out or sometimes they’re just bad out of the box.

They’re just not great feeling foot switches. I don’t, I think the, the JHS ones here have soft really switching, which is something that’s, um, almost unimaginable. I like it quite a bit. Um, I understand the folks who like, like to feel that click, I don’t feel as attached to that. And I really liked the, the soft feel.

Emily: [00:58:26] I feel like if there’s an led, I don’t really care if there’s a, a

Andrew: [00:58:30] click. If there’s an led, it certainly doesn’t matter as much. And, uh, if what you’re playing is so subtle that you can’t tell that you turned it on, why is that rude?

Emily: [00:58:42] No, it’s not rude, but I think just looking, I think, yeah, I don’t know. I’ve never really had that problem or that concern.

My bigger problem is hitting stuff when I wasn’t supposed to.

Andrew: [00:58:56] Hmm. So I know all of that to say, I think. That’s just a lot of like things that are jumbling around in my head that makes me go. I think this is actually really smart. I think that fits that really nice balance at the price point and the feature set between the, I want something that’s going to do the job, but I also want something that I can, that I’m going to get a decent resell value out of that I know is going to be reliable, that, uh, that there’s going to be that it’s JHS.

It’s JHS has that little bit of that it factor. Like I am a JHS pedal owner. And there’s something that comes with that. And same with all the other boutique brands. There’s something nice about that. I’m not, not a lot of people feel that way about TC electronics. So I think this hits a really nice niche here, and I don’t care about that as much sense for what that means for JHS.

I wish them well, but I’m not like yay. JHS, like. I don’t know, I’m not socially invested in their success as a company, as I am with other companies. But what I am invested in is wanting there to be more accessible options on the market for people to be able to get into at a lower price point and to be able to experience at least a decent level of quality and to be able to participate and.

Cause a lot of, a lot of beginners are women. A lot of beginners are, I mean, it just

Emily: [01:00:11] young, young people, teenagers, and that’s such a big thing. Like, I mean, when I was a kid, I bought a couple boss’ puddles and a couple of those Dan electric lunchbox series pedals, because that was what I could afford.

Right. Like now. Yeah. Like if I really want to splurge with my hard earned money, I can buy the expensive pedals. Um, but back then, no, it was like, Oh gosh, how am I ever going to be able to afford a chorus pedal?

Andrew: [01:00:42] Right. And I’ve definitely felt that stress through. Um, cause I started really getting serious about electric when I was in college and I couldn’t afford to buy a hot dog and Wiener schnitzel.

Yeah. I told you the story and I’ve a sweetie. I definitely like several times it was like not abnormal. I get to the grocery checkout line and like, as like, I was shocked as, as I’m walking around the grocery store, like adding up items in my cart, going okay, I’m at $36. I can’t go above 50. And like kind of doing that math in my head and getting up there and watching the checkout line going, no, we’re going to put this back.

I can’t afford that. I’ve been there as so many times,

Emily: [01:01:23] you go there and you’re like, just stop it at $45. Right.

Andrew: [01:01:27] Whatever makes it across. Yeah.

Emily: [01:01:30] I put it down in the order of importance. And if it does not, if I have to cut it off at some point, I’ll do it. Like, they’re not just for the record. There’s literally no shame in doing that.

A lot of people do it. A lot of people have done it and grocery clerks are pretty

Andrew: [01:01:44] used to it. So yeah. I never felt like I was getting the. Kind of look from anybody.

Emily: [01:01:51] Yeah. Nobody cares.

Andrew: [01:01:53] That’s when I was getting into guitar that’s and I know that I’m not alone in that. Hey, sweetie. You want some pets? Yeah.

So I think this is kind of that nice in between like, as a, as a parent, I’m not going to buy my child a $300 river pedal for Christmas, um, hundred dollars maybe.

Emily: [01:02:14] Yeah. So I.

Andrew: [01:02:18] But under a hundred, you’re worried about you’re buying trash. I mean, so that’s where I’m looking at this and going, I think this is a really great opportunity, like, you know, for the average guitars, if you want it great. But this really gets me excited about is for the entry level folks, the folks that are trying to get into it, the folks that are exploring on a budget.

And I think that’s actually really neat. I really appreciate

Emily: [01:02:37] that now.

Andrew: [01:02:38] Not one to wax and wane that much on. Perfect. I think they

Emily: [01:02:43] do a hundred bucks for a hundred bucks. He like you put your little. Your little Babadook sticker on it or whatever, and

Andrew: [01:02:50] yeah.

Emily: [01:02:51] Or your, this machine surrounds hate and forced it to surrender a sticker.

I

Andrew: [01:02:58] lost

Emily: [01:03:00] make noise, not war.

Andrew: [01:03:03] I had a bag of stickers next to my work bench and I don’t know where I put it, but I’ve got like a full, like zip, like gallons of buck, bag of stickers.

Emily: [01:03:10] I just keep them on like my desk until I’m ready to use them. It was Lance giles’ from dog man devices birthday earlier this week.

Andrew: [01:03:16] Happy birthday. Happy birthday.

Emily: [01:03:19] Happy belated birthday lands.

Andrew: [01:03:20] Lance. Happy

Emily: [01:03:21] birthday.

Andrew: [01:03:23] This is your birthday song. It’s not very long.

Emily: [01:03:28] It’s over now.

Andrew: [01:03:30] Sorry, that was it.

Emily: [01:03:31] Yeah. Speaking of that, was it that a good place to

Andrew: [01:03:34] wrap this? Is that your way of saying this? Is it? Yeah, that’s probably not a bad place to wrap things up.

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Um, old growth on the violet compilation. Uh, my advanced Sunday crush. Our album is available for free order at donutsounds.com. Um, but thanks for listening. Thanks for understanding until next time. My name is Emily.

Andrew: [01:04:21] One more thing to add to your list of things that you need to do this week. Buy something orange.

My name is Andrew. Bye .