Episode 107: Votes for Music

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Emily: [00:00:00] Welcome to the get offset podcast. My name is

Andrew: [00:00:17] and my name is Andrew.

Emily: [00:00:19] If you’re listening to this on November 3rd, which is the day this comes out. I hope you voted.

Andrew: [00:00:25] I hope you did as well, which reminds me, my ballot actually is right here and I need to. Oh, here it is.

Emily: [00:00:34] Get into a Dropbox.

Andrew: [00:00:37] Yeah. So I need to fill that out.

That’s on my list to do literally, as soon as this is over. Yeah. There’s to fill that out. I know I’m voting federally. Uh, I mostly know how I’m voting locally, although there’s a few things that I’m going to take the time to sit down and actually like look up and do a little bit of research on. So.

Emily: [00:00:54] You need to research the school board people.

I don’t know if they’re the same on where you are, but, um,

Andrew: [00:01:00] I think we’re technically in different districts, but

Emily: [00:01:02] yeah. Well, there was someone who was saying some bananas stuff. Uh,

Andrew: [00:01:07] I believe it.

Emily: [00:01:08] Yeah, no. So we won’t get into that. Cause local politics is probably only interesting to like five of our other listeners.

I don’t know.

Andrew: [00:01:16] Right? Like, like the three that live in the King County area.

Emily: [00:01:21] Yeah, no, but voting is a civic duty and I, uh, uh, Rick and I, um, in our neighbor, we’re going to be socially distancing, splitting some Prosecco, I guess we’re all just be drinking per Prosecco.

Andrew: [00:01:38] Yup.

Emily: [00:01:39] Well, I don’t know. I feel, I feel things and, um, I’m probably going to have to talk to some food about it.

Andrew: [00:01:47] I, yeah, I’m trying to do my best, not to stress, eat in advance. I’m trying, being the key word there. I remember, uh, 2016. The drink of choice was horchata spiked with fireball. That was my day after. That was the Wednesday after election Tuesday. And it was just what was open was the 24 hour taco shop Santana’s out in Azusa, California.

So we got that, brought it back to the apartment and, um, Ironically, we’re quite liberal with her application of fireball to that. And we’re trying to,

Emily: [00:02:33] I’m sure that doesn’t taste bad.

Andrew: [00:02:34] Oh, it’s delicious.

Emily: [00:02:36] Yeah.

Andrew: [00:02:37] Um, yeah, it’s, it’s dangerously good. Um, also fireball and rum trotted together, like some sort of like weird white, Russian adjacent sort of thing works really well.

Just, just those two over ice one-to-one ratio.

Emily: [00:02:53] Yeah. I’m just, uh, drinking my coffee. My French press direct made this morning out of my old blood noise endeavors mug.

Andrew: [00:03:01] I’m drinking. Um, drip coffee out of a big workout, big bear kind of pig for big bear, California. He, my big way me. No, this is a big bear, California, Melissa, and I got this on our first anniversary

Emily: [00:03:20] dough.

That’s cute. Yeah, no. Um, we’ll talk about, we’ll talk about other less, um, dire. And important elections and voting later, but really if you’re out there and you’re listening or you’re watching, it’s important, it’s your civic duty. Sometimes it feels like it doesn’t matter, but I only think you get to complain about politicians unless you vote.

That’s really how I feel about it.

Andrew: [00:03:53] Yeah, no, I totally feel that. Also something that’s important to note is, um, by the time this is released, if you are listening to this, it’s too late

Emily: [00:04:08] on Tuesday.

Andrew: [00:04:10] I know it’s too late.

Emily: [00:04:12] You mean I’m just reading. I’m

Andrew: [00:04:14] just generically reinforcing the sense of existential dread that I have. So that way I know that I’m not the only one feeling it. It’s rude. I know

Emily: [00:04:25] like the loft is like really working over time.

Andrew: [00:04:32] Yeah. So anyways, um,

Emily: [00:04:35] I stress ran a 5k yesterday that I mentioned that already.

Andrew: [00:04:38] No, you didn’t. And I applaud you. I’m supposed to be getting a conversion thing for my, uh, bicycle that I haven’t touched in a year and a half. Uh, so I can

Emily: [00:04:50] lecture conversion.

Andrew: [00:04:52] Uh, no, I think it’s like a hydraulic setup.

I don’t know. I honestly don’t know. Basically. I’m going to, it’s gonna bump the back of wheel a couple inches off the ground and add some resistance so I can sit on the bike probably right here, honestly,

Emily: [00:05:11] just because Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, I understand. Like I’m a trainer and a bike trainer. Okay. Yeah. I had those, um, is, so is yours, yours?

You said yours isn’t magnetic or something? I don’t remember what I had, but it was very loud. Is what I remember. Like, I couldn’t do it in like, as I got it. Cause I wanted to like ride a bike and watch TV and then I couldn’t hear the television, so I didn’t really use it very much.

Andrew: [00:05:40] Yeah. I’m uh, my buddy’s lending it to me, uh, or the graciousness of his heart.

And I very much appreciate it, but I have no idea how it works. I don’t even know what model number is. Like. I got one of these laying around. Why don’t I just ship it to you? Yeah. They

Emily: [00:05:55] mostly work the same. They mostly work the same.

Andrew: [00:06:00] Um, yeah, no, yeah. TV, or if I’m just, if I know I’ve got a three hour meeting that I’ve gotta be in for work that I’m not really participating in, I’m just listening to put on my headphones and just sit there and not anything crazy.

Just slowly burn calories.

Emily: [00:06:16] Yeah. I’m still trying to get, um, get everything worked out to get a standing sit stand desk. So I think that that’ll help me just because just the nature of my work has changed a little bit. It’s it’s like a little bit more sudden because when you’re like, when I was doing just like a lot of strategy, you’re kind of going back and forth between like filming demos during the day and stuff, I would, you know, get up, move around, set stuff, up, tear stuff down, kind of stand up and think and stuff.

Why

Andrew: [00:06:44] I’ll send you the photo later to explain.

Emily: [00:06:47] Okay. Um, but, uh, now I’m just like, I’m doing a lot more writing during the day, so I’m just like sitting down, like on my keyboard. Uh, can’t really stretching my legs as I can, but I would like a standing desk. I think it would help me a

Andrew: [00:07:03] lot.

Emily: [00:07:05] Maybe I’ll get a little bike thing for it.

A little peddler.

Andrew: [00:07:09] Yeah, you can do that. I’ve been back in the office, um, three out of five days a week and it sounds like that’s going to be a new trend. Um, and that my work specifically in the offices involving a lot of walking around the facility. So getting my steps in, um, trying to force myself to take the stairs, to get up to the top floor rather than the elevator.

Emily: [00:07:34] Yeah, that that’ll pay off and you’ll, you’ll feel better. That’s why, I guess

Andrew: [00:07:40] not in the moment, but the nice thing is I can say like, Andrew, you all right. You’re pretty out of breath. Like it’s, it’s the mask. It really.

Emily: [00:07:48] Uh, should I actually, um, the reason I signed up for a 5k is because I, um, joined this running club called, uh, keep the beat 5k, uh, the guy who runs right.

Act PR, um, started it, the Daniel Walker, I think that’s his name. And, um, yeah, they’re doing their first 5k on December 5th. So I’m like, well, it’s been a couple of weeks since I ran. So like, let me just see if I can do a 5k, like really keep it slow. And it took me 38 minutes, but I did do the 5k and it’s like, that’s like adding 10 minutes to my previous fastest time.

But also I was trying to take it easy and it was on a treadmill. So what I do, the actual rental have to do it out, out, outside. So. I’ll probably run it, probably wake up early, go to green Lake and get that run in

outside.

Andrew: [00:08:45] What’s new with you?

Emily: [00:08:47] Um, I played a gig. Uh, it was live stream gag. With a Sunday crush

Andrew: [00:08:55] the gigs all the time. Come on.

Emily: [00:08:58] Oh, that’s not true. Not in this shooting.

Andrew: [00:09:02] That’s just my jealousy speaking. Uh, that

Emily: [00:09:04] is, it was a Halloween night for us. So, um, we were all dressed up. Uh, we had a, kind of a circus theme.

I was the ringmaster. Jenna was a clown and Isaac was adjuster. Dan was a strong man. And then we had Adrian on sax and she was like an aerial performer. That’s cool. But, um,

Andrew: [00:09:23] but I’m almost

Emily: [00:09:24] no, like those aerial circus, like a real Carney kind of thing, like,

Andrew: [00:09:30] yeah. Okay. Okay.

Emily: [00:09:31] So that was cool and fun. And I thought that we, we did a really good job, the sound, you know, I thought it was a little bit quiet, but it was kind of cool when, um, Afterwards the sound guy, he was like, Oh, I love what you were doing with the enzyme.

I’m like, Oh, thanks so much. I’m like, I was trying, like, you don’t have a gear channel. I follow you. I’m like, Oh, cool. I’m glad it was nice.

Andrew: [00:09:54] That’s pretty special.

Emily: [00:09:56] Yeah. It was pretty exciting. But I’m Jenna with her.

Andrew: [00:10:02] Yeah.

Emily: [00:10:03] But, uh, I just want to shout out one new piece of gear I have really quickly, and then we’ll get into your new what’s new because you had a birthday, but I have the new, and I’m holding up the camera, the new delayed foster Wallace by book my facts. It’s my favorite delay. It has this infinite holds feature, simple controls, time, feedback, and mix.

And then it has this toggle and he, it, uh, controls the time via this little light sensor and, um, He, he moved licensed to used to be right there, but now it’s right in the middle of the eyeball. It’s so cool.

Andrew: [00:10:39] Fancy,

Emily: [00:10:40] but I have the

Andrew: [00:10:41] serial numbers,

Emily: [00:10:43] serial number too. So big Brian from bookworm effects. I usually buy all of his things, but he sent me this too to demo and do a little bit of promo for him.

Um, we have an idea. That’s going to be funny and I don’t want to talk about it too much, but, uh,

Andrew: [00:11:00] Fair enough. Fair enough. Oh God. I

Emily: [00:11:03] love the

Andrew: [00:11:03] subtle Illuminati action going on there.

Emily: [00:11:06] Yeah, well I loaned Jenna and Isaac from the band, my original DFW. So I’m just going to let them keep it cause I have the new one.

Yeah. So, uh, what’s new with you. I know that we both have new microphones. Biggers is exciting.

Andrew: [00:11:25] Yes. Uh, for the first time, uh, I’m making a permanent microphone change for my podcasting setup here. And what you see here underneath the, the beautiful, um, sticker clad, um, newscaster, whatever. I don’t even know what to call this, like a microphone label, something like that.

And the

Emily: [00:11:51] purpose.

Andrew: [00:11:53] No, there’s absolutely no purpose other than me, like, Hey guys, look at me.

Emily: [00:11:56] It’s like where news stations put their logos so you can,

Andrew: [00:11:59] right? Yeah. Uh, so that’s me trying to be fancy. Uh, the, and then underneath this fancy pop filter is an SM 57. I have not owned one previously. I’ve obviously used them a ton.

I just never had a chance to have one in my personal like lockers. Um, So family member was kind enough to give that to me for Christmas. And I’m pretty excited. Christmas, my birthday, my goodness. It was like

Emily: [00:12:30] Halloween

Andrew: [00:12:32] past Halloween. It’s like, all right, it’s Christmas. Woo.

Emily: [00:12:35] I was really given a holding on to that for like 11 months.

Andrew: [00:12:39] Right. You could have been using that this whole time, um,

Emily: [00:12:45] as dynamic.

Andrew: [00:12:48] Yeah. So I’m pretty excited about this one. Um, and my poor family had to sit down and have me. I was trying to explain to them like, no, no, like really this is, they’re like, it’s a microphone. And I’m like, no, this is, this is a microphone.

Let me tell ya. So they were kind enough to put up with my, uh, explanation of what it is and what makes us special and what it’s been used on. And yeah. I mean

Emily: [00:13:15] they’re work horses for sure. Um, my new microphone is a, it’s a content condenser mic. It’s the blue spark SL blackout edition. It’s not visible on the screen, but, um, yeah,

Andrew: [00:13:30] we have new

Emily: [00:13:30] microphones.

Yeah.

Andrew: [00:13:32] Oh, let’s back up a second. Um, before I I’ll, I’ll come back to birthday in a sec. Okay. Remember, last week when I was like, um, I was talking about how Melissa was like, Hey, you know, we’ve got doorstops right. Like I bought doorstops last week. You should just use those.

Emily: [00:13:49] And like, cool. Is that right?

Andrew: [00:13:52] Well, they’re already in the cart when we were talking and I’m a doofus and I forgot to remove them from the cart.

And I still haven’t. I still haven’t returned them. And I need to need to put in for that return, with my lack of me to say, Hey, Amazon, um, I don’t need these anymore. Do you want them back? And they’re like, we’ll just refund you keep it the saunas,

Emily: [00:14:13] uh, they, you know, they didn’t, they didn’t do that. They don’t do that as much anymore because when I was supposed to get a dual monitor stand, they sent me a HEPA filter instead.

And they were like, you need to send back this like $15 filter and I’m like, I’m not going to do that.

Andrew: [00:14:29] Make sure to cough on at first.

Emily: [00:14:31] No, like the thing was I’m like, I don’t, I’m not going to go out of my way for mistakes that y’all made. Like that’s not, that’s not how this works.

Andrew: [00:14:41] If it was a month shop, I’d feel very different about that.

That that’s

Emily: [00:14:45] good like this, because the thing was, it was like, I have time today. Cause the big thing was, I don’t have a printer, so I didn’t want to go out of my way to print the return label. I would have had to have printed something anyway, like even if I dropped into an Amazon locker would have required me to print something.

And I was like, no, I’m not, I’m not doing that.

Andrew: [00:15:06] Nope.

Emily: [00:15:07] Like he wasn’t me. Yeah. The printer.

Andrew: [00:15:09] Did he like, did he print, you know, that might’ve been cheaper for him? Um, should have just like present a picture of Bezos face, put stapled it to the front of the,

Emily: [00:15:28] that was a weird, that was a weird ordeal. So that was a pain in the butt. And, but I don’t really buy a off of Amazon anymore. I’m really trying to cut

Andrew: [00:15:36] back. Imagine they’re going to feel as strongly about a $1,500 HEPA filter as they will. Um,

Emily: [00:15:41] 15. 15 one five, if it was a $1,500 thing,

Andrew: [00:15:47] I would’ve

Emily: [00:15:48] been telling it one, five, Andrew, a one $5 HEPA filter,

Andrew: [00:15:54] 15,

Emily: [00:15:55] $15.

Andrew: [00:15:57] Oh

Emily: [00:15:59] no, $15.

Andrew: [00:16:01] You know, I, I suppose that makes a lot more sense. In retrospect, um,

Emily: [00:16:07] who’s this Amazon sell $1,500 HEPA filters probably.

Andrew: [00:16:11] It’s possible. I don’t know. I know I was talking to, um, the facilities guy at work in, uh, about the, uh, the need to change the HEPA filter system with COVID and everything. And talking about pricing on that.

And so maybe I’m just thinking, um, in like industrial, like building size, HEPA filters, I dunno. Anyway, moving on. So I. Have a wonderful family member that has been, um, accidentally inducted into, uh, some form of mafia

received. All right. So the microphone came from one family member. This came from another, a different family member. This is a boss F V 30 H volume pedal. I gotta

Emily: [00:17:02] try to figure out how to put a topper on that.

Andrew: [00:17:04] I am, I’m going to, the plan is to do a four-piece hopper. So one, two, three, four for each of the layers.

That sounds really

Emily: [00:17:11] cool. I’ll

Andrew: [00:17:14] timestamp

Emily: [00:17:14] it. You know what I’m part of me is like

Andrew: [00:17:19] 17, 11 timestamping.

Emily: [00:17:22] Uh, you know, part of me is like, if you want to bleep version of this podcast, listen to the podcast. I did not feel like bleeping it out.

Andrew: [00:17:32] Um, anyways, so, you know, on this is, uh, Melissa was looking at the box.

I like, I put the box out by the front door cause I’ve got, um, a box of boxes in the garage that I store all my boxes in. So in the waiting process for me to actually just open the garage and go out there, um, the, uh, it had fallen off the box, fell over in the ground. I think cat’s knocked it over and she’s like, Andrew, why does the box say ho.

And I’m looking at, I’m like, no, it says  and she’s like, look at it upside down and the 30 H upside down. But we’ll see.

Emily: [00:18:10] That is how

Andrew: [00:18:12] it definitely.

Emily: [00:18:13] Hey,

Andrew: [00:18:14] ho, ho. Oh. Um, so I came from another family member and then these two bad boys came from a different family member.

Emily: [00:18:23] Oh. So much orange, so much mini.

Andrew: [00:18:25] I know. So we got the, the cord pitch black, uh, limited edition in orange.

And I also got the control knob from electro harmonics, which I’m delighted to find out does not require a nine volt.

Emily: [00:18:40] We discussed this

Andrew: [00:18:41] nine volts only for the LEDs.

Emily: [00:18:43] So we discussed this.

Andrew: [00:18:44] I know,

Emily: [00:18:47] I remember that so vividly discussing it,

Andrew: [00:18:49] you know, I don’t entirely remember that, but I believe you anyways, so.

Family members, all duped. They’ve all been hoaxed it’s uh, it’s it’s, it’s a rash. Um, they all ordered from Sweetwater. None of them buy instruments for any other reasons in all of them have received a catalog. All of them have received follow-up emails. All of them have been assigned a different sales engineer who has called them on their phones to say, hi, my name is Jacob from Sweetwater.

Yeah. So I’m like unwrapping presents, like, so Andrew, we’ve got something to ask you about. Uh,

Emily: [00:19:29] they should have been using our reverb affiliate link. Lincoln Lincoln, the video description and shown up cash back on your purchases. It doesn’t cost you anything extra. I

Andrew: [00:19:40] have no excuse for that because I’m the one that gave them the links on a birthday list like a month.

Emily: [00:19:43] Oh, Oh Andrew. No, we could have used that 25 cents.

Andrew: [00:19:53] I know, I know. Um,

Emily: [00:19:57] Ooh.

No, you’re fine.

Andrew: [00:20:03] Uh, so anyways, yeah, so that’s, uh, a couple of things that I got for my birthday. I’m pretty, uh, pretty stinking excited about it. And, uh, I think all my family members, or have had to call back Sweetwater at some point to say, no, no, this is a gift to leave me alone, please. No, no stop calling

Emily: [00:20:25] man. Those, those physical catalogs, like I used to love getting like the musician’s friend cattle. Log as a kid, but as an adult, I’m like, this is aggressively wasteful. Like that’s like that’s expensive marketing too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Andrew: [00:20:44] yeah. Um, that’s, uh, that’s about all I’ve got for what’s new and I’m going to step out ever so briefly if you want to run through the sponsors, but I’ll be right back.

I swear. It’s gonna be super quick. Speedy, quick.

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This is so stupid. Um, Why am I doing this? I mean, video generator to get out of your baby Yoda needs. Andrew is messaging me. Why? Okay. Is it cause I’m blurry, Andrew. Okay. Well, good thing. This video file is saved locally.

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So, uh, thank you so much for everyone who. Does that thank you to distro kid for sponsoring this podcast. It means a lot to us. Uh, I’ve personally used this your kid for both my music and for the Sunday crushed music. Uh, and the Sunday crushed record comes out on black Friday. It’s called a real sensation.

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It’s really cool. Um, Andrew, you know, these video files save locally, right?

Andrew: [00:23:49] I do

Emily: [00:23:51] also, um, my internet speed is like 40 up right now.

Andrew: [00:23:55] Yep. No, I, I know.

Emily: [00:23:58] Okay. I

Andrew: [00:23:59] didn’t, I didn’t know that I’m not concerned either. I was just more pointing that out. I’m assuming you’ve already talked about it. Uh, just more pointing that out because

Emily: [00:24:08] I can see you crystal clear for the record,

Andrew: [00:24:11] just when you’re trying to show things on the screen earlier, like, Oh, that’s really cool.

I can sort of make out what it was. Oh, well, yeah. Yeah. So

Emily: [00:24:23] I did the, um, is it sponsorship spot

Andrew: [00:24:26] sponsors?

Emily: [00:24:28] Cool sponsor. If you’d like to sponsor that, get offset podcast, you can reach us on our website, get all set podcast.com.

Andrew: [00:24:37] That is true. That is very true. And I highly recommend it.

Emily: [00:24:42] They have affordable packages.

I just updated the, um, the, uh, demo and, um, other. Price list two pager thing, because I realized that I hadn’t updated it in like a year. And someone said, reach out to be said, so if I send you a pedal, you’ll demo for free. No,

Andrew: [00:25:06] I saw that email and I was really confused. I figured you would respond to that.

And he did so.

Emily: [00:25:13] Yeah, no, they’re not free. Sorry. It’s a lot of work.

Andrew: [00:25:18] It is.

Emily: [00:25:20] Yeah. Sorry. Now it’s your turn. Cause I got to close my door for a second.

Andrew: [00:25:25] Okay, cool. That was the part where I get so wonder aloud ever so nervously, like what was Emily saying about me while I was gone? I sit down for two minutes. I made the classic mistake of starting to drink coffee.

Right? As I sat down for an important conversation, uh, and then realized about 20 minutes of that conversation, that coffee was doing more than just caffeinate me.

Emily has no idea what I just said. She’s going to have to listen back to that and post, and we’ll see if she cuts that out. So

you’re muted.

Emily: [00:25:59] You’re going make me watch this whole episode. Well, before I edit it,

Andrew: [00:26:03] the whole episode, I’m just, I, I took some liberties while you were away too. Right?

Emily: [00:26:09] Footnote. What the F did Andrew just say,

Andrew: [00:26:15] I, uh, explained my, my brief absence from the microphone while you’re running the sponsor ad role.

And

Emily: [00:26:22] I have to do a small humans or bathroom breaks.

Andrew: [00:26:26] Uh, you will have to find out I explained candidly and in detail.

Emily: [00:26:31] Oh man,

Andrew: [00:26:33] that was great.

Emily: [00:26:36] Why do you make more work for me?

Andrew: [00:26:38] Uh, cause I’m a terrible friend.

Emily: [00:26:40] That’s why don’t you think I work enough?

Andrew: [00:26:43] No, actually I think you’ve been really slacking lately.

Like mine.

Emily: [00:26:47] I will fight you.

Andrew: [00:26:50] I say that in my most sarcastic tone possible

Emily: [00:26:53] dude, I work like 12 hours a day.

Andrew: [00:26:57] I know it’s ridiculous. You’ve got to take a break sometimes. No.

Emily: [00:27:01] Well, what is break? What’s a break. Tell me that on

Andrew: [00:27:07] a break.

Emily: [00:27:08] How do I, how do I pull myself up by the bootstraps? If I take breaks,

Andrew: [00:27:14] um, I’m going to do my best, not to answer that sarcastically, given that it’s election day, but there’s so many things I could do to ironically point out.

The overt racism of certain politicians right now with that comment. Anyways,

Emily: [00:27:31] you can go anywhere you want in South Carolina, as long as you’re a Republican.

Andrew: [00:27:39] On a, on a positive note, speaking of bootstraps, uh, I do want to take a, uh, ever so briefly want it, take a quick moment to say thank you to everyone.

Who’s who has shared a post by Fox Cairo who shared pictures, featuring Fox Cairo products who has purchased something who has recommended it to a friend because it’s working and you guys are doing. I, I got to say, like, you can kind of see behind me, there’s just like stacks of envelopes. They’re on their way out the door.

Um, it’s been, uh, a phenomenal phenomenal month for me, um, at Fox here and well, I guess a phenomenal week for a month for us, because Willis has been helping me out quite a bit.

Emily: [00:28:21] Yeah. And I find that post and of boards of doom. Oh

Andrew: [00:28:25] yeah. It was like approaching a thousand likes on a, just a post of a photo caption, nineties vibes.

And, um,

Emily: [00:28:33] Joe Braga, please contact her for your

Andrew: [00:28:36] disease. Rag is the designer for, uh, who put together the artwork for that and made it professional, easy to work with for me to be able to turn into these gorgeous toppers and. No, this whole thing has been, it’s been a, it’s been a wild month and I just want to take a quick moment to say thank you.

Uh, it really does mean a lot and, uh, I’ve been grateful for the, uh, reasons to not take a break the last couple of weeks. Um, so I can work. And they

Emily: [00:29:05] can’t see chairs

Andrew: [00:29:09] shares are getting shared. Like I’m like I was trying to follow the chain of some of the shares and like three, three levels in had been like that, that had been shared like 18 times.

And like, I don’t even know what corners of Facebook that, that photo just ended up in, but it kind of just, yeah.

Emily: [00:29:25] I don’t know why this is funny. I think that most people would be surprised that I thought I sincerely think this is funny and I’m going to go ahead and time stamp it. Um, Since Steve Dunn, trying to say something the rest of us,

just funny. Cause it’s not like that’s funny.

Andrew: [00:29:49] I saw that and I was just, that was a couple, I saw that comment like yesterday or the day before I was just rolling.

Emily: [00:29:55] Oh my God.

Oh man.

Andrew: [00:30:01] Yep. So, um, no seriously though, like the, the positive response to everything has been positive, not even a great word in 2020, and I’ve been loving all the positive responses from this and

Emily: [00:30:14] positive

Andrew: [00:30:15] stay positive test negative. Um, so you guys are the real ones and I can’t say it enough. I really, really, really appreciate it.

So thank you.

Emily: [00:30:26] Yeah. Well, I guess it’s probably a good time to remind people that it’s time to get to our topic. Sorry. I wanted to act like I was going to go on another tangent before we actually talk about our topic. So this is kind of an idea I had because these an election day, and I like to keep it light.

Um, I was just thinking about like, how can I tie election day back into this podcast? And this might be a bit of a stretch, but I was also thinking about. Ranked lists like lists of the best guitarists or I know rolling stone recently revamped their 500 best albums of all time timeless. And I would like to talk about the, the weird propensity we have for, um, ranking musicians and musical projects.

Like, why do we do this? How do you feel about like, those kinds of like, Best albums or best guitarists lists. How do you feel about them?

Andrew: [00:31:24] Well, so here’s the thing is I’m a millennial and the idea of like a first, second and third places nonsense because everyone should just get a participation trophy.

Why is that not good enough for these people? Um, Yeah. I don’t think it’s the musicians

Emily: [00:31:39] who are asking for rank.

Andrew: [00:31:43] Right? It’s like guys, it’s art, like knock it off.

Emily: [00:31:47] It’s not sports, but I mean, I guess we as musicians have the Grammy organization, which used to be called naris. Um, am I saying

Andrew: [00:31:56] air isn’t that?

The stuff that like burns hair off your legs

Emily: [00:31:59] and ARS.

Andrew: [00:32:01] Um, I heard there,

Emily: [00:32:04] we had narrows.

Andrew: [00:32:06] Yeah. I only, my only encounter with Nair is, uh, freshman year of college, a guy on my all male,

Emily: [00:32:13] the Academy.

Andrew: [00:32:15] I’m not going to tell that story, but anyways,

Emily: [00:32:20] Maurice stood for the national Academy of recording our sciences.

And now she’s called the recording

Andrew: [00:32:24] Academy. Well, that’s I give that name of third place. Cause the first name sounded much more professional.

Emily: [00:32:34] Well,

Andrew: [00:32:34] yeah,

Emily: [00:32:37] but it was long.

Andrew: [00:32:40] Yeah. That’s what acronyms are for it anyways. So ranked list, I think, uh, honestly, They kind of just come off as just clickbait it’s this is a way to drive web traffic.

This is a sure it’s it’s uh, it just seems, I don’t know, like I’m not against like saying, Hey, this is a really great album. That should be considered one of the best albums of all time. Like, that’s fine. But it’s saying like, Hey guys, like, uh, you, you should only listen. It’s kind of like this implication, like, this is what good music is.

And if you don’t like what’s on this list, then you have bad taste.

Emily: [00:33:14] Yeah. I mean, it’s very, there’s a lot interesting about from, I think that, you know, it is definitely a clickbait. I think it’s, there’s some purposes it can serve. Um, I don’t like the ranked aspect of it as much. Um, I don’t like the idea of 500 greatest, but I think that if you positioned it, as we pulled musicians from across the world and ask them what their 10 favorite albums are and.

These are the ones. So I got picked the 500 most times. Like, I think that’s a cool music discovery tool.

Andrew: [00:33:53] Sure. I mean, even getting metrics on what people are into, I think is really useful. I mean, I’m always fascinated by polling and data and kind of bringing that all together to get a feel for things even then, like, I don’t know if.

That’s intrinsically valuable because just because 90% of people, like it doesn’t mean that it’s good, honestly.

Emily: [00:34:15] Well, if you’re asking other musicians what they, like, I think they’re probably going to pick things.

Andrew: [00:34:20] Oh. So only physicians are the ones who are arbiters of what’s nice and what’s bad.

Emily: [00:34:27] I think it’s probably more helpful.

So, uh, they. Received and tabulated top of the album for the rolling stone grit, 500 greatest tough of the album was for more than 300 artists, producers, critic, and music industry, uh, figures like radio programmers or label execs. So

Andrew: [00:34:48] yes, those are the people that we should be trusting with our sense of taste.

Emily: [00:34:52] Well, they’re not, they’re just picking what they personally like. Like, it’s not like they’re trying to sell. I don’t know why you care. You should ask yourself that in the mirror,

Andrew: [00:35:04] mostly like I’m like the opposite of Carrie. I’m like I’m offended by the existence. The audacity that, that I know I’m being a little extra dramatic, but very sincere, very sincere part of me is like, this is kind of just shamelessly.

Not gray. And it just feels like a really like a, an organized gatekeeping phenomenon that I’m not really psyched on the implications of that. That doesn’t bring me joy. It just makes me, like, I think the world would probably be a better place if these just didn’t exist.

Emily: [00:35:40] Hm.

Andrew: [00:35:43] I mean, am I coming off strong enough?

Emily: [00:35:46] I think that there are some lists that are less helpful and maybe more damaging than others. I think that in terms of like benign ranking less, I think the 500 greatest albums is more benign than like the 10 greatest women in rock because that’s, that’s stupid and ridiculous and like, It’s pitting. It’s, that’s actually pitting people against each other.

When you have 500 records, it’s like, well, that’s a lot. That’s a lot of things. It’s nice to be included. But when it’s like 10 it’s like how people who get third place are happier than people who get second place. Because if you get third place and at least you place, if you get second place, you almost won.

But, um, I don’t know. I don’t, I don’t like, I don’t like risks. I don’t like lists that like rank. A specific gender at all. Like, because the existence of like women only ranking lists is like, it’s like we talked about Astrix last week. It’s like adding an asterick

Andrew: [00:36:51] to it. Yep.

Emily: [00:36:53] And that’s, that’s not.

Andrew: [00:36:56] Right. I, and again, this isn’t sports, it’s not like this is the, the, the Olympics where you got the men’s team and the women’s, it’s not like that.

Um, and,

Emily: [00:37:06] and, uh, the Grammy’s only ever had gendered categories anymore.

Andrew: [00:37:11] So I think the thing that really strikes me as a, a question of like, what’s the rubric, because it’s just so entirely arbitrary. One thing, if there was a way where you could make a rubric and like, like w what in this list and yada, yada, try to quantify some of that.

But. Not only is there not a rubric? I don’t think there’s a way to make a rubric for that. So

Emily: [00:37:33] it’s just a ranked vote. It’s just ranked, voting, like, like the 500 greatest albums is just to rank voting, but I don’t know how you do like the list of people. It was list of women.

Andrew: [00:37:43] Sure. Like I’ve read through like rolling sounds like top 100, like the top 100 greatest drummers of all time.

And I’m like reading the list and I’m going like, okay. Like, so, uh, like on one hand you’ve got someone like Neil Peart who’s, uh, just technically really brilliant. And then the, on the same list you’ve got Dave Grohl. Who’s not necessarily the released the point in time that they’re referencing for being like his heyday of being the drummer for Nirvana is, um, being like the most technically proficient, um, especially by comparison.

Like they’re both kind of like around the same part of the list. Like. I don’t remember exactly where those two fell in the list, but for example, I’m reading through them, just find myself struck by like, okay, well, you’ve got such a wide range of actual, like talent, and it’s just like a mix of talent and cultural impact.

And those are all very important things, but it just seems so entirely arbitrary.

Emily: [00:38:34] Yeah. I mean, how do you rank that? And like, I don’t, I, I don’t know how you rank people when there aren’t like sports, you can have stats. You can be, you can say. The the, the hit King is Pete Rose. He statistically has more hits than anybody else.

Like you can say that, um, you can, you can look at baseball and you can look at stats like when over replacements, when above replacements and say, this person is better because we’re more likely to win when this statistically, when this person plays. But how do you do that with, with musicians or with art?

I don’t, I don’t think you can. And that’s that, that makes it hard. I mean, you look at, and then you see like lists that are just like, feel like jokes. There were some lists of the best guitarists that had little Wayne on it.

And Prince was like way low on that list. And you look at it and they’re like, really put a little weight on there, but you can’t find more than like two women kind of things. And. It just, it

Andrew: [00:39:43] gets

Emily: [00:39:44] really frustrating really quickly, you know?

Andrew: [00:39:48] Well, I mean, I think that’s an, that’s a perfect example of like, These lists are trash there there’s no, there’s no value to them.

So I dunno. That’s kind of seems like that once it’s inspected a little bit past the, Oh, I’m just like taking a dump on the toilet at work. And I don’t want to go back to my desk. Oh, look, here’s a list. I can scroll through them. Yeah. That’s about it.

Emily: [00:40:11] I think if you treat these lists as like discovery, it’s a little bit better, but.

Andrew: [00:40:17] Yeah, but it’s not framed as a discovery. And it’s often it’s like, listen, we’re very often, like, this is like the classics and they’re not going to get, they’re not going to consider any, anything contemporary. Um, which is, I don’t know, that’s something I’ve noticed with these lists. I dunno. I think there’s, if you want to create like a clickbait list of like top 10 bands up and coming bands, you should check out like that.

That seems like that’s not a, that doesn’t seem like gatekeeping is one it’s wanting to be inclusive and bring people

Emily: [00:40:50] in

Andrew: [00:40:52] it’s. Oh, absolutely. I’m not. I don’t want to be misunderstood is saying that Oh, click bait is bad. I think it’s. It is what it is. Uh, and I’m pretty okay with clickbait to a certain degree.

Um, I dunno, there’s not like there’s ethics to clickbait, but I feel like there’s rules for engagement that like the do’s and don’ts that are kind of like implicitly go unspoken. So, but I feel like a clickbait title like that. Seems much more beneficial, productive, uh, furthering the scene. And, um, and especially if it’s not like in a range of like, here’s like your list of the top 10 bands in order, which you should check them out, uh, that that’s different.

That feels, um, yeah, it feels,

Emily: [00:41:44] it feels less, it, it feels less competitive. And I think that the competition thing is weird because I mean, yeah, there, there are charts. Only one person can be number one on the billboard charts at a time. But I mean, when it comes to art, like more for somebody else doesn’t need to mean less for you.

It’s not cake

Andrew: [00:42:04] like sure. It will. In billboard. If billboard was based on talent, we would have a very different billboard list. Let’s be honest,

Emily: [00:42:12] but how do you rank talent?

Andrew: [00:42:15] Exactly. And so I feel like I’m beating a dead horse already,

Emily: [00:42:20] but seems to me, maybe

Andrew: [00:42:22] I feel like I just

Emily: [00:42:23] might have more to say about this topic.

Andrew: [00:42:27] Rolling stone. You suck. Please feature me, please. Um,

Emily: [00:42:33] I would love to get a rolling stone feature. Good. God, that’d be like the best thing that would ever happen to me.

Andrew: [00:42:39] Yeah. Well, sure. I mean, it’s not to say that I’m not actually saying rolling stone sucks and there’s definitely other things to that, uh, to that platform, what they do.

I just, I would love to see more focus on the rest of what they do and less on the let’s. Hey, here’s the updated list that we did five years ago and we don’t have anything else for content. So we’re just going to publish this. They

Emily: [00:43:00] actually completely revamped the list and it’s kind of amazing.

Um,

Andrew: [00:43:04] it’s

Emily: [00:43:04] really, it’s a completely revamped list.

Um, it’s not just music critics and they apparently looked to get a more diverse like group of people. And it really shows because it’s like the first time that there weren’t like five Beatles albums in the top 10. Like it used to be like Sergeant pepper, Sergeant pepper, Sergeant pepper, you know what.

Damn sucks. That’s not, it’s not good. It’s not as good as people make it out to be. Was it mind bending at the time? Probably is pet sounds a better album. Yes. Like it just, it, it kind of is, but it’s interesting that when you pick more diverse people, the list changes that much because it’s obvious that.

And just based on statistics of who wrote this magazine, who has read rolling stone, who they were talking to. Like, these are all people who came up with the Beatles. So of course, I think the Beatles are the best thing ever, but then you, you pull some millennials and gen X-ers and, and you get Radiohead kid a at number 20, you get Kendrick Lamar Smith have a butterfly at 19.

You still get your Bob Dylan. Uh, you still get your clash, but you also get your public enemy. You still have rolling stone, still have a Reetha still have Michael Jackson thriller. You still have Beatles revolvers at 11. Um, but lots of Dylan, Prince purple rain. And I’m brave Fleetwood Mac it’s seven Nirvana.

Nevermind.

Andrew: [00:44:40] That’s why you think the list is good.

Emily: [00:44:44] No, listen. Purple rain should be higher

Andrew: [00:44:50] trash where’s Prince

Emily: [00:44:52] Patty Rose. If you have a, if you have a list of the 500 greatest albums of all time, and there’s not one Prince record on there that is like suss, like it’s pretty suspect you have Abbey road at five CD wonder songs in the key of life of four.

Uh, Joni Mitchell blue at three and, uh, beach boys pet sounds it. Two told you it was better record. And, uh, number one is what’s going on by Marvin Gaye and album has labeled, did not want him to release. So it’s, um,

Andrew: [00:45:26] I a

Emily: [00:45:29] what.

Andrew: [00:45:31] That I admittedly I feel a little bit more. Okay. If that’s more of who’s deciding, I still feel great about it.

I’m more okay with it.

Emily: [00:45:40] It’s just, it’s, it’s, it’s a little bit less like this is the best and a little bit more like this is what the people we polled said. Of course, the title is so click Bheki. Sure. But you look at it

Andrew: [00:45:54] like, what are you trying to say about Blake? Huh?

Emily: [00:45:56] People in the music industry thinks that things, that these are the most important albums to them personally.

And I think that’s really cool, you know, and I really prefer that kind of, um, take on it. You’re still getting a lot of the same kind of stuff, but you’re getting a lot more modern things in there, like Beyonce lemonade, which. Is a very good record. I don’t know. And I look at some of these I’m like, I don’t think

Andrew: [00:46:21] the

Emily: [00:46:21] album is going to be on there to do.

Yeah. It’s a great record. But at the same time, like some of these, I’m not sure would be on if we looked at them again in 10 years, I mean, beyond say, could put out an album that would crush lemonade is like, I think that she is only getting better as a recording artist, but most things I look and I’m like, yeah, I mean, I don’t like Radiohead, but his kid a, maybe the 20th, most important album for people who are alive right now.

Yeah. Probably Taylor Swift’s Red’s on there. Ooh. Yeah. Car wheels on a gravel road by Lucinda Williams. But like, yeah, you can look through this as somebody who, you know, as a music fan and you can see blanks in your knowledge base potentially. And then go and check out that those records, because. You know if it’s right.

If, if I haven’t listened to master of puppets by Metallica, but I’ve listened to automatic for the people by REM. Maybe I’m like, I like that record. And this record seems to be almost equally good. According to people who like music.

Maybe maybe, maybe, maybe it’s worse.

Andrew: [00:47:34] Sorry. You said lemonade. It reminded me of, uh, one of my, uh, really bad sales pitches for trying to sell pro coverage. I worked at guitar center because I had no choice. If I wanted to keep my job there, I had to maintain a certain percentage of pro covered sales and right.

Um, I think it was, I phrased it something along the lines of like, I just kind of casually said this in the conversation. It was like, look like you’ve got something like a really great setup and you think it’s like, nothing’s ever, bad’s going to happen to, and then Becky with the good hair comes over and she’ll some lemonade on it and is fried.

And what do you do if you don’t have pro coverage, you’re kind of screwed. And that was kind of how I ran that pitch. And it works surprisingly well because I was working there right when lemonade came out and. And I actually sold a lot of pro coverage though. Damn. I feel really bad about, okay. Low key. I genuinely feel bad about like every time I sold pro coverage, I feel like I’m going to have to answer for that.

It’s like to God someday, because.

Don’t buy

Emily: [00:48:38] it. When I was upselling, all I was doing was getting people to get like a second color on their airbrush tattoo. Like I wasn’t doing anything that bad.

Andrew: [00:48:47] I was like, Hey, you want to spend another $50 in the off chance

Emily: [00:48:52] that doesn’t, that not even work in like Puerto Rico?

Andrew: [00:48:57] I have no idea about Puerto Rico.

Uh,

Emily: [00:48:59] cause I remember reading that they would sell it to people who lived in regions where it wasn’t covered.

Andrew: [00:49:06] It’s entirely possible. I can’t confirm it. I really don’t know. What I can tell you is that I spent. Too much time with too many customers who would come back and say, Hey, I tried to cash in, on my pro coverage.

Cause my, my kid broke it or whatever. And, uh, they’re not giving, they’re not like refunding or it’s taking forever. And I, I literally in guitar center get on the phone with the pro coverage people and like, Hey, um, this is it. This is Andrew zero nine, nine zero six or whatever my employee ID was. Okay.

That’s what it was. Um, and, um, Uh, I got this customer here. They got a broken item staring right now. Yes, it’s broken. Please give them their money back. Please replace a forum so we can get them back to playing. And you just take like an hour on the phone of like, as an employee trying to get through to them.

Emily: [00:49:57] Uh, like why.

Andrew: [00:50:04] They,

Emily: [00:50:04] they knew people would give up.

Andrew: [00:50:06] Yeah, I think that’s part of it. Yeah. The only thing, the only item, literally the only item that I saw pro coverage, like actually like people get their return on investment back on was symbols.

Emily: [00:50:20] Really

Andrew: [00:50:21] because, I mean, people crack their symbols and so

Emily: [00:50:25] they’re breakables

Andrew: [00:50:27] yeah.

So a lot of the metal drummers that would come through the shop would specifically buy Zildjian’s. The buy-sell gins Zildjian has a re replace warranty. And so when they would inevitably crack it at a gig because bad tech it’s bad, it’s bad technique. I’m just going to say it’s bad technique. As a drummer, I have never cracked a symbol.

I play really hard. I’ve never cracked a symbol.

Emily: [00:50:52] How do you, how does bad technique, like specifically, how does that happen?

Andrew: [00:50:56] Like, so if you got your symbols level and you’re not hitting it at an angle of, you’re just hitting it on the side, like that really hard

Emily: [00:51:04] symbols be level.

Andrew: [00:51:07] Stuff like that. A lot of pop punk and metal drummers like that because it looks cool.

Emily: [00:51:13] Does it though? I

Andrew: [00:51:15] think it looks nice. It’s just, it’s still anyways, bad, bad technique. This is will, unless you’ve got a super, super thin symbol. That’s inevitably going to crack. It’s going to be bad technique. Like dude, how did you crack a set of  it’s like quarter inch thick anyways. So they would, they would crack it.

They would call zillion and say, Hey, crack your symbol. What the heck, man, like I want a new one. Zildjian would send it to them. Now that happened without guitar center’s visibility. So now they’ve got two symbols. When they inevitably cracked the next one, since they’re not serialized, they bring it back to the guitar center with their receipt and say, Hey, pro coverage replaced my symbol.

And to which at the time the deal was like, well, we don’t work. We can’t do anything with your crack symbol. I guess we could throw it away for you, but I don’t really want to. I don’t care enough to walk this back into the, and toss it into the dumpster so you can keep it. Now they’ve got three symbols and the best part about it is a lot of metal punk, et cetera, drummers, they’ll just take broken.

We’ll stack them to make cool facts and stuff. Okay. And honestly, crack symbols. You can have, you can get them fixed. You just kinda cut them out with a, with a dremmel, uh, KML and they will still sound fine for awhile.

Emily: [00:52:28] Really weird plate reverb, send the audio through one side and out the other. Yeah,

Andrew: [00:52:33] but the point it’s not like they’ve got completely broken unusable gear.

Now they’ve just got like various levels of usable gear for like three different symbols that are like, so a $400 symbol. They just got three of ’em in various States and

Emily: [00:52:45] it’s $133 symbol.

Andrew: [00:52:47] Exactly. Um, which will, and you can go out and you can, if they don’t care about the, having a keyed out, they’ll just take the brand new one and go sell on Craigslist for 200 bucks.

Uh, and so it just, it was, there’s a few guys that like, they come in and they buy symbol and they’re like, you know, I wanted that pro coverage. I’m like, yes, you do right for my sales numbers. But they were just totally hustling it more power to them. Honestly, that’s literally outside of that, I.

Yeah, that was

Emily: [00:53:17] amazing.

Andrew: [00:53:19] I just, I don’t know. It made me so sad too many teenagers came through and I gave them my pitch of like, you should buy pro coverage. Like

Emily: [00:53:28] this is guitar center. Say, I feel like this topic is sorry. What does guitar center say? That pro coverage is like, what do they say? It covers?

Cause I just am. I’m always like no warranty, no warranty, no warranty, except for like computers. And I’m like,

Andrew: [00:53:41] Extended

Emily: [00:53:42] extended one

Andrew: [00:53:45] bad experience. Remember off the top of my head. Uh, I know where you’re

Emily: [00:53:50] going. Anything that like having real gear or musician insurance, is it, is there anything better about like that insurance and like adding my gear to my personal artifacts policy that I have,

Andrew: [00:54:04] I don’t know how the numbers would stack up on that per item.

I do know that for the most part, everything was covered. If you could get through to them, when the stuff broke, I wasn’t very often that I got like had a customer come in frustrated and said, help me out with this. And I would get through the other line and they would say, sorry, that’s not covered. Um,

Emily: [00:54:27] Oh, it’s just a pain in the butt.

Andrew: [00:54:29] It was just a pain in the butt. I know. Cause I would pitch like, Hey, like if you’re going to be gigging with this amp, like I’m going to sell you this hot rod deluxe. But look at the top of it. All of your knobs are facing upward. Someone spills a beer, that’s going straight into the chassis. That would like, please don’t, don’t walk out of here with that pro coverage.

And that was kind of like the general plea. Like if you’re going to actually give this and it did happen a couple of times, so, and bring back an amp that was fried by beer. It just, it’s not that often. And I really I’d be willing to bet that the purse, if you add it, your own insurance policy, the cost to add.

Personal artifacts. Something is going to be a lot less and it’s going to last for longer because when you’re buying pro coverage is like, you want to buy it for 12 months, 24 months, 48 months, like the different tiers of how long you want it to cover it.

Emily: [00:55:12] I think it’s like five bucks a month and it covers like it’s up to like $10,000 worth of stuff like that.

That’s what I have.

Never had to use it. I hope I never do. But you also, just for the record, if you are a gigging musician, ever, your gear is not covered on your home owner’s insurance policy. Um, it is not, they do not cover

Andrew: [00:55:36] a misconception.

Emily: [00:55:37] Yeah, they don’t do it. And, uh, so don’t ever say, yeah, you know, I was just playing out.

Uh, and, uh, it’s

Andrew: [00:55:45] what it might suggest that people can make insurance,

Emily: [00:55:50] but like, if you do that, then they’re going to be like, Oh, and you know, what all they need to do is find proof that you played a gig with it. It’s not, it’s not like, it’s not like, it’s not like if my computer broke. And I know that opening it up to kind of dig around and it would void my insurance.

I would call and say, maybe on my warranty, I’d call him. Maybe say, no, I did not open up the computer, especially if that’s not what broke it and just

Andrew: [00:56:25] took a turn.

Emily: [00:56:28] Okay. We didn’t have that much to say about rank lists because I guess we. I don’t know. I thought there was more to say about that. I don’t hate them as much as you apparently.

I just like, I will scroll through them, but at the same time, I’m like, this is stupid. This is not sports. Like

Andrew: [00:56:45] I just like,

Emily: [00:56:48] I’d like to start listening. Yeah, I will. I like to see lists of things that maybe I should consider listening to, but yes, it is a crime. It’s a

Andrew: [00:56:56] horrible, horrible crime. Yeah.

Emily: [00:57:00] But that’s like,

Andrew: [00:57:00] I’ve discovered bands that I sure.

Emily: [00:57:05] Yeah.

Andrew: [00:57:06] Anyways, uh, uh, forgive, I’m asking forgiveness too, for everyone that I sold pro coverage to sorry about that. Oh, also don’t, don’t get the credit card. Don’t get the credit card. I feel like that shouldn’t have to be said, but I also. Saddled a lot of people with a lot of debt that way I’ll still feel bad about that one too.

Emily: [00:57:30] Store credit cards. I’ve had the, um, the express credit card because I need to use, to need to buy suits for work and good God. Like they basically give you suits if you get the credit card. And, uh, I had a target credit card cause I, I would use to shop at target a lot and you get 5% cash back on everything you get at target.

Like. And it doesn’t have a fee, like yeah, sure.

Andrew: [00:57:54] But

Emily: [00:57:55] automatic pay it off every month.

Andrew: [00:57:57] So guitar center, the RA at that point was running through affirm and it was like 0% interest with as soon as it, as soon as it hit, like your 48 months or whatever it was, it wasn’t very often it hit 48, but like you’re 12 months, no insurance.

If you hadn’t paid off the entire thing, the 29.99%. Interest we kick in, not for the entire amount, not the remaining balance, the entire mountain. So if you bought a thousand dollars guitar, you just lost $300.

Emily: [00:58:24] That is every single policy like that. Just so everybody understands. If it says no interest for 12 months, that means there’s only no interest if you pay it off in full in that time period.

Because if they are like, Oh, yeah, 12 months, no interest, but then they put you on an 18 month payment plan. Guess what? You’re still paying all of that interest. Don’t do it. Don’t don’t buy stuff. You can’t pay off before. That if you, if you, cause it gets an insane amount of interest, it’s, it’s truly, um, bad.

Andrew: [00:59:02] So it’s like if you buy it like an $800 guitar and you like E and then you buy another like bonded amp for $400, I’m like five months in your six months. Then if your balance is zero, they’re going to say, well, you’re paying off the guitar and the amp. And you’re like, but I’ve paid $900. The guitar should be off.

And they’re like, no, We’re going to charge you interest. Yeah. And so stuff like that, it just gets looped in. I remember my last shift at guitar center. Like this kid came in, he was like 18 and he’s like, I want a credit card. I’m like,

Emily: [00:59:31] no, don’t you, maybe you do. But

Andrew: [00:59:34] I’m like, are you sure? And I’m just staring at it.

I’m like, it’s my last day. I don’t know. There’s no incentive for me to like, try and sell them on this. I did not care. I wanted him to say no. And he’s like, yeah. I were like really been thinking about it and I want to apply. I really want to do it. And I’m just sitting like, can someone else do this as a sucking the soul out of me?

Um, I will

Emily: [00:59:54] say, I think 18 year olds should have credit cards, but I think they should only use it to pay for gas and groceries. So by then I had a credit card, uh, when I was in high school and it had, all I had was slow wand was an RFID chip. I would just wave it over the convenience store. Like I had only used it in one place, but I was building credit and I wasn’t going into debt.

It was a good, good, good times. Good times.

Andrew: [01:00:20] I do recommend, uh, yeah, it’s a credit building tool. It is not a debt building tool.

Emily: [01:00:29] Well, I mean,

Andrew: [01:00:30] it made it is that you don’t don’t treat it like that, please. Dear God. So

Emily: [01:00:34] good. But that credit card debt is not one of those good types of debt. On that note,

Andrew: [01:00:43] this is supposed to be a lighthearted episode.

I’m feeling deep seated regret for all the things that I did to people.

Emily: [01:00:49] Well, think about it this way. You’ve, you’ve, you’ve told a lot of people the truth now, and maybe you have saved some people from buying that guitar center plan. And maybe we have saved some people from having their gear not covered by their insurance.

And maybe we have saved some people from, uh, going into credit card debt.

Andrew: [01:01:11] I’ll take that.

Emily: [01:01:12] I hope nobody listens to us that much, that they take financial advice from us, but we are not lawyers and we’re not accountants and we are not financial experts. However, I can say I don’t have any credit card debt.

Andrew: [01:01:28] That’s a good thing to be able to say.

Emily: [01:01:30] It’s a good thing to be able to say. Not everyone can say it. It sucks. But, uh, yeah, I have a lot of other debt. Mostly. I have a home.

Andrew: [01:01:40] I have student loans, but which we can talk about how absurd it is that you can convince 17 year olds to settle themselves up for $200,000 of money that they owe between loans and grants and scholarships, and expect them to be able to sort of how to figure it.

Like that’s a huge budgetary amount.

Emily: [01:01:57] Why would you have a money for Oh, money for grants and scholarships?

Andrew: [01:02:00] I’m not saying, Oh, but like, if you’re signing up for a four year plan, that’s going to cost 200 grand. You are now in. You are now responsible for coming up with all that money, whether it be through any of those means.

Emily: [01:02:10] Right. I had scholarships. I had a freer,

Andrew: [01:02:16] I got a lot of scholarships. Yeah. And I graduated a semester early and I worked my way through school and I still left with, uh, a considerable, like not, not nearly as much as a lot of my classmates did, but.

Emily: [01:02:30] Yeah.

Andrew: [01:02:33] Bootstraps only go so far. Remember that?

Emily: [01:02:36] I mean, I said it before you can’t stack the deck against somebody and blame them when they lose.

Andrew: [01:02:43] That’s true. Anyways, this is going to get political really quick. And I just going to go prepare, I just assume that on Tuesday, I’m preparing fireball right now. Hold on.

Emily: [01:02:53] Let me just show you something. I want to make a promise to you, Andrew. I am going to finish filming the demos for this today. Okay.

Andrew: [01:03:02] So does that mean I can swing by later this afternoon to Snagit?

Emily: [01:03:07] I will let you know, I’m going to try to do it this morning, but, um, is there any chance you might be able to do it like on a weekday?

Andrew: [01:03:17] Chances are decent. I could do it.

Emily: [01:03:20] I know you want the, so I’m going to just try to. Uh, I’m only gonna do delay reverb and the pitch. I don’t think I’m going to, I might go, might go through some of the, like the presets that came on board, but, um, like they’ve been doing okay.

They’ve been doing okay for free views, but I don’t want to exhaust people with like, there’s just so much in this to cover. It really is a really cool piece of gear to be honest.

Andrew: [01:03:47] For those of you who are wondering what we’re talking about. If you’re not watching on YouTube, you should be, you should be watching YouTube because you can see my beard progression every week.

That’s the reason to watch on YouTube by the way. Um, is Emily is holding a pod, go from line six and it’s, uh, a surprisingly kick butt piece of kit for, uh, the price tag. That’s

Emily: [01:04:10] really not expensive.

Andrew: [01:04:12] No, it’s

Emily: [01:04:13] so light and small is what the back looks like.

Andrew: [01:04:18] Fancy

Emily: [01:04:19] it’s like it has a handle basically,

Andrew: [01:04:23] right? No, it looks,

go drop it.

Emily: [01:04:29] I, I actually don’t think that dropping it would break it. That’s fair. Cool. All right. Well, um, please like comment, subscribe on, uh, YouTube, please. Subscribe on iTunes. Plovers review on iTunes. Uh, uh, check us out on patrion.com/get offset right now for the next couple of days, we were running a promotion and any new members are going to above the $5 level are going to get this little push pin button.

I will mail to them.

Andrew: [01:04:58] Fancy fancy grab one of those. When I come to pick up the Pago and Melissa also really wants one.

Emily: [01:05:04] I’ll give you a couple.

Andrew: [01:05:05] She, she, uh, she told me last night that she’s like, look, I know I’m not a patron, a patron, but I’m also like really supportive of the show. And, uh,

Emily: [01:05:16] well, she’s a hat, but she should get the buttons too.

Andrew: [01:05:20] She, she really wants, she really wants a

Emily: [01:05:22] pen. I’ll give her a pen and I’ll give her, I don’t care. She could have a

Andrew: [01:05:26] couple she’s like, can you ask Emily if I

Emily: [01:05:29] can just ask for a pen, I’ll give her a pen. I like Melissa. They were like, I have 50 of these. All right. I want to get rid of all of them. All right.

Andrew: [01:05:41] Uh, thanks for watching.

Emily: [01:05:42] Thanks for understanding.

Andrew: [01:05:44] Thanks for listening.

Emily: [01:05:45] Thanks for understanding until next time I’ve been Emily

Andrew: [01:05:50] and I am Andrew

Emily: [01:05:52] goodbye.