Get Offset Episode 146: A Passport for Live Music

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[00:00:00] Emily: All right. Well, that’s going to be the screenshot. That’s going to be it’s up now.

[00:00:12] Well, welcome to the good offset podcast. My name is Emily and my name is Erin. And we are coming at ya from a dreary or than it has been previously, Seattle Washington. Is it Yuri where you are?

[00:00:27] Andrew: Well, it’s starting to undress theory, but I don’t know what the verdict is on this yet. I just, just looking out the window and we’ll sit pointed out.

[00:00:34] The light coming in was a little orange. Is fire season starting to hit. Don’t tell me that. So we’ll see, as the day opens up a little bit and after this, I’m gonna step outside and do the, give it the good old sniff test that

[00:00:49] Emily: I think it’s already as fire season in Spokane and well, I

[00:00:54] Andrew: guess last year for us.

[00:00:55] So

[00:00:58] Emily: when I signed a semester, That’s fine. I spoke, uh, summer Nam over Yakima. I saw lots of started seeing the smoke and I was like, Ooh. Oh, all it takes is a shift in shift in the weather, but it rained a little yesterday. So wouldn’t it be some shit for it to be like, I’ve just been beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful for days and weeks.

[00:01:21] And then. Have one day of rain and then the smoke to come, like immediately after

[00:01:27] Andrew: it wasn’t even rain. It wasn’t, it wasn’t a non traceable amount of rain. Like it’s sprinkled just a little bit. It’s like the clouds, sweat just to smidge.

[00:01:37] Emily: Okay. It was cloudy. It cooled things off. It was a little, it got a little warm on ’em right.

[00:01:45] Andrew: Friday was hot. That was ridiculous. But

[00:01:48] Emily: then it’s fair to say that it was high.

[00:01:49] Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. It was like 96. My neighborhood, I think.

[00:01:54] Emily: Yeah. My mom was in town. I think she was glad that it was, um, most of her stay, it kind of topped out in the low, low seventies.

[00:02:05] Andrew: Yeah, no, yesterday it was nice to, I went out and played some disc golf with Zach. Oh, that guy. So that was good, dude. We got a sprinkled on just a smidge is just enough to keep us cool.

[00:02:16] Emily: Yeah. You know, a friend of the show is going to be in town

[00:02:22] Andrew: soon, indeed. Setting up lunch plans already. So it’d be excited.

[00:02:27] Emily: I’m setting up plans as well. Yes, we were talking about, uh, uh, Picard. But I, I failed to order order the material in time though, frankly, I don’t know if the material would have come in in time, but, um, I don’t know if you remember that, that little tenor guitar I picked up like a few months ago that I’ve never really shown off or, or demoed.

[00:02:51] I might maybe I’ll maybe I’ll pull that guy on film, film it today and talk about it. Some, because the weird guitars have been doing pretty well for me on, on the YouTube.

[00:03:05] It’s a Tinder guitar, tele style. It looks a little bit like the prince mad cat. Um, so I wanted to get a similar smile Picard. Yeah.

[00:03:15] Andrew: Like that leopard print, kinda not leopard print, but the,

[00:03:18] Emily: yeah, it’s just like a cellular Lloyd. So, um, you can get those in from, from China. But it, so it takes about a month to get them.

[00:03:27] So what we had talked about is he’s going to come up, he’s going to do some measurements on like a card stock, and then he’s just gonna, he’s gonna make it at his workshop. I also have, he’s going to make, um, I think we’re going to try a mint pick guard for the GNL with the B vendor, the purple lightning fevers.

[00:03:48] Yeah, cloud six guitar. I don’t know. I don’t know what the nickname for that guitar should be. I think I like, I call it, um, I’ve been calling it the cloud titty guitar. I think that it’s six, seven, no, no, sorry guys, because I go home calm with the cloud sex guitar. I was going for cloud. I hit, I had that little cloud a little fast.

[00:04:16] That happens.

[00:04:19] Andrew: Sorry. Now I’m just thinking about pillows anyways. Move on.

[00:04:24] Emily: It’s the gift that keeps on giving and giving and giving. Um, so yeah, but, but now it’s not gonna have that paint job. So it’s going to, uh, I think I will just be like the, the genome with the BB vendor though in all seriousness. I wish GNL had stocks.

[00:04:42] Didn’t look like that.

[00:04:44] Andrew: Yeah. I do agree with you. I think they’re effectively.

[00:04:49] Emily: Hmm. I think they’re pretty categorically. Like not good.

[00:04:53] Andrew: Looking, not the worst in the industry

[00:04:55] Emily: though. Now they’re not the worst. Who would you pick as the worst? I’m curious. Oh, I don’t like the Dr. Mend. Headstocks the really kind of ornate scrolly one.

[00:05:13] I think they look a little too Rococo and they look fragile fair. Uh, what about you? What’s your least favorite headstock.

[00:05:25] Andrew: Easily. Very touch.

[00:05:28] Emily: I always forget what there is.

[00:05:30] Andrew: They’ve got like that medallion inlay on, on the end and it just looks

[00:05:34] Emily: tacky. Um, I could have done has a medallion and land. I like it, but

[00:05:38] Andrew: not, not in the same way though.

[00:05:40] I don’t know, there’s something about it.

[00:05:44] Emily: It has so many curves. The Veritas just,

[00:05:48] Andrew: it looks so it detracts from everything else about those. And they already look like, well, I don’t want to slander any anyone’s preferences, but.

[00:06:01] Emily: The the six in line one is what I’m assuming you’re talking about. They don’t want, they don’t have a lot of closeups on the headstock, or you can realize maybe this is not a unique perspective.

[00:06:16] Oh, it just, it looks like they’re trying, they were trying very close to get to a fender shape, but I feel like you should just go a little farther from the fender shape.

[00:06:30] Andrew: Well, anyhow, I don’t think anyone’s going to confuse that with offender. So, because I like finding red socks,

[00:06:36] Emily: I don’t look at the glary headstock out of here.

[00:06:40] Andrew: So anyways, what’s new with you.

[00:06:43] Emily: You know, I, um, did have an answer for this. It’s not, I don’t have any new gear per se. Um, I am getting a guitar and.

[00:06:55] As early as Thursday that I’ve ordered from Sweetwater that I’m excited about. I bought it. I suspected that I could have gotten one from fender, but I wasn’t sure. I just wanted it sooner. And I wanted a guarantee because last year I snoozed and I didn’t get the baritone from the paranormal series. So I wanted to make sure I got that baritone this year.

[00:07:17] So, um, it’s on its way. Well,

[00:07:20] Andrew: there you go. That’s exciting.

[00:07:22] Emily: It is. It is. But the bigger new thing is, is mostly that I’ve shipped off the, uh, the, the purple lightning bolt guitar to, to be refinished. I think it’s, it’s so dumb to me that it seems to be like the most controversial thing I’ve ever done. Well, I like the comments are so.

[00:07:44] 50 50. It’s like, it’s either, this is the ugliest guitar. Please refinish that thing. Or how

[00:07:51] Andrew: share you existing in institution

[00:07:56] Emily: and the people who are mad on refinishing. It, you had three years, you had three years to buy it as is and keep it in its pristine glory. It’s glory hole, glory. It is a weird, you had three years.

[00:08:17] It was on the four for three years. One of the most trafficked guitar shops and one of the biggest guitar cities in the world, if not the biggest guitar city, is there a bigger guitar city? Is there like a place that more people go to for the express? Like the explicit purpose of buying a guitar than Nash?

[00:08:39] Andrew: Here’s my take on this, uh, welcome to capitalism. You paid for it’s yours and anyone who says otherwise they’re communists and condition

[00:08:48] Emily: a bridge for the children or anything. If I was throwing it off the bridge for children, I can imagine getting upset.

[00:08:58] Andrew: Right, right. Yeah.

[00:09:04] Emily: Well, thank you. I’m excited. I’m excited. It’ll be, uh, it’ll be, you know, it’s nitro. So it’ll take ’em, it’ll take, uh, uh, uh, a minute. Oh, for sure. For sure. Yeah. This has got to cure for a month or something. That’s what I’ve been told. Yup.

[00:09:24] Andrew: Sounds about right.

[00:09:29] I, um, Got a piece of gear that I haven’t had since college.

[00:09:35] Emily: Oh. And it is

[00:09:38] Andrew: a record player. Oh, you got a turntable? I did. Yeah. Um, so I got hooked up yesterday and I listened to a couple of records. I started off with a, um, a police greatest hits record that I got from a random thrift shop. Oh, I forget the name of the town, but it’s like up near like lake Arrowhead area.

[00:10:01] Yeah. It might’ve been like Arrowhead down in California, like up in the mountains. Um, yeah, so I got that and I didn’t even have a record player at that point in time. And so I bought it anyways and then a couple of stores later, we were at a military surplus store and they had a record player like hooked into the sound system.

[00:10:18] Like, Hey Mister, can I. Can I test this record to make sure it works. And then we just, the group like me and my friend group kind of just partied in the, the army surplus store to the police was great. Um, but so I started with that and then listen to a gym grocery record. And, uh, yeah, it’s one of those, like all is right with the world kind of thing.

[00:10:38] Emily: Yeah. Did you cry? Well, listen to the Jim Croce record because I feel like that happens a lot when you listen to the Jim Croce.

[00:10:44] Andrew: I almost did. I think if I only listened to the first side, if I’d listened to side too, I think I would’ve gotten there.

[00:10:51] Emily: Yeah. What’s on site

[00:10:54] Andrew: on site two is bad, bad loop, Leroy brown.

[00:10:57] So that that’s always a banger. I think that one’s listed as second. Um, but like the first side opens up with one last set of footsteps. So I’m like.

[00:11:10] right in between, like you want to be like, yeah. Stick it to the X and also like, but I’m crying.

[00:11:16] Emily: Yeah.

[00:11:17] Andrew: So good. So good. So I’ve got a stack I’m going to slowly listen through and maybe read some books and kind of take the moment to heal a bit. So yeah, very excited about that.

[00:11:30] Emily: Can I tell you the other thing that’s new with me that I’m stupid excited about?

[00:11:34] No. Okay.

[00:11:36] Andrew: Okay, I’m just kidding, please.

[00:11:39] Emily: I bought one of those fish flipper spatulas finally, and I’ve, I’ve never made so many perfect omelets in a row. Like every omelet I’ve made since I got this little fish, this fish spatula has been perfect and I’ve just been so proud of myself.

[00:12:00] And I just want to share that with the world. I think. I’m really glad I bought it.

[00:12:05] Andrew: I don’t even know what you’re talking about. Other than

[00:12:07] Emily: omelet. Let me, let me send you a link fish, liver spatula. It’s just like a very thin kind of spatula

[00:12:19] Andrew: is a shape kind of like that.

[00:12:21] Emily: I’m just I’m messaging it to in this course.

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[00:12:39] Andrew: Yeah. If you’d like to harass me endlessly and send me links to, uh, um, cutlery and other kitchen utensils, uh, definitely support some patrons you can get, get at me at discord cause I’ve continuously.

[00:12:53] Checked my messages less and less than Instagram and a Facebook.

[00:12:59] Emily: What’s a flat LISC. I don’t want a flat this.

[00:13:05] Andrew: No, I’m just adding my, uh, my favorite spatula that I got for a dollar in college they’ve been using ever since. Um, finally started developing some rest spots on the bottom. I’m like, Hmm. It should probably toss it.

[00:13:19] Emily: You should treat yourself to one of these.

[00:13:23] Andrew: They have a secondary backup special that I’m starting to appreciate more. You

[00:13:27] Emily: should put these there’s they’re they’re game changers.

[00:13:33] Andrew: We’ll see. I, uh, oh, the other what’s new with me.

[00:13:37] Emily: It was convinced Andrew to get a fish Turner spatula. Slotted offset spatulas.

[00:13:45] Andrew: Oh, it’s an offset. It’s offset spatula. You have my attention.

[00:13:48] Emily: Mm. See, this is, this is called. Get offset. Get offset spatulas. It’s on topic.

[00:13:57] Andrew: The other what’s new with me. If we want to talk kitchen stuff has had just got it. It’s got a mini fridge.

[00:14:02] Emily: Good for you. Is it going to be

[00:14:05] Andrew: a drink? Yeah, it’s one of those that’s like specifically meant for, uh, for wine cooler.

[00:14:09] So it’s like this mini mini fridge, frigid fits eight bottles and there’s not a single bottle of wine in there. It’s all my aged beer stuff that hadn’t been storing properly. And I really hope I haven’t ruined yet. So if I haven’t ruined them yet, um, they’re, they’re now being properly stored. Excellent.

[00:14:29] Mostly Facebook marketplace finds more sustained and be like, Hey, didn’t you say? Why, what are these? This is a good deal. But let’s

[00:14:35] go.

[00:14:37] Emily: When I was in Nashville, I wanted to sell our old mini miles’ college mini fridge just cause I wasn’t using it. I didn’t really have space. And uh, my dad said that he’s like, I think we bought it for a hundred bucks.

[00:14:49] I’m like, ah, I think I can sell it for 125. So I listed on Craigslist and kind of had Rick manage it. Um, and he’s like, oh, I got a, I got an offer of 50 bucks. Tell him now it was like a text offer. Uh, and then he’s like, what’s the only offer we have so far. I’m like, well, wait, I don’t need to sell it that badly.

[00:15:06] A few weeks later he gets an email offering full price. I’m like, awesome. See, I told you we should wait. And then the guy’s like, I’ll text you when, um, when we’re on our way. Yeah. The guy who texts, texts from the same number that offered us $50 a few weeks before.

[00:15:28] Yeah. Or I think I listened at one 50 and I took 1 25. I think it was something like that. There you

[00:15:33] Andrew: go. Yeah.

[00:15:38] Emily: I flipped a mini French.

[00:15:41] Andrew: Oh my God. Hey, if you do flip it, flip it,

[00:15:47] Emily: offsets bachelor.

[00:15:55] This week’s episode of the get all set podcast is sponsored by Caroline guitar company based out of South Carolina. Uh, last week, someone, uh, replied to the comments and said their favorite Caroline pedal was the somersault, and I’d be inclined to agree that it’s also my favorite pedal. It lives permanently on my Sunday crush.

[00:16:17] My favorite feature of that pedal is the switch that max has out the rate and depth. I really love to play that one on good boy during the chorus, because I have this part that goes down. I like to do it on that long ago. So I’ll, , it’s really fun. And everyone in the band likes it. I love the summer. So it sounds great on pace to obviously,

[00:16:42] Andrew: oh, I hadn’t considered that.

[00:16:45] Emily: Yeah. Great

[00:16:46] Andrew: OnBase. That’s a reminder I needed, I need to get round rounds for my base. I think I’m finally giving up and flats. Can you

[00:16:53] Emily: just talk to Scott from string joy?

[00:16:55] Andrew: I should know. I should. I should. I should

[00:16:59] Emily: I should, I should. I should. Uh,

[00:17:03] Andrew: yeah, I know. I definitely know a lot. The, the base that I’ve got right now and it came with flats on it.

[00:17:08] No idea what I actually there’s no like identifying feature. So like Labella with like the red on it and there’s nothing like that. So I have no idea what they are and the guy had no idea when I bought it from him and it’s a Squire, so I didn’t expect too much, but

[00:17:24] Emily: yeah, probably whatever they came with.

[00:17:27] Andrew: Well, this one I imagine would have come with round rounds. He said that he replaced the originals, but he

[00:17:33] Emily: replaced

[00:17:33] Andrew: them with, he had no idea. Yeah. I also think he was stoned out of his mind when I went to go pick it up. Yeah. But yeah, no, I think I need to replace it and I think I’m going to replace, he, he put a zero net on it and he didn’t slot it very well.

[00:17:49] And so like the, the G string is like right up against the edge of the fret board. So I can’t even hardly play that. Like it, it comes back closer in, um, as it reaches the bridge, but you know, in front of Fred’s one through five, it’s like slipping off. It’s ridiculous. You don’t want. No, then again, I’m a mediocre bass player.

[00:18:11] What am I doing with the G string? So

[00:18:18] it’s all ENA quarter

[00:18:20] Emily: notes. I asked I’m supposed to play a bass gig on, on Saturday. Uh I’ll I’ll, I’ll talk about why I’m supposed to play one on Saturday and a second. Um, but. I’m trying to think if I, if I ended up heading the G string, I think I do. I think that, I think there’s one song that has a run where I, I make it up there.

[00:18:44] Yeah. It’s fun. Playing, playing bass is fun. I prefer to play guitar still, but, uh, it’s just kind of nice to show up and play bass and maybe, maybe chill a little farther back on the stage for this, for this particular show.

[00:19:01] Andrew: I think Blake playing bass is a lot of fun. I can’t knock it at all. And I not even sure I’d venture to say that I enjoy guitar more than playing bass.

[00:19:09] The thing is just different flavors.

[00:19:11] Emily: Yeah, sure. I’m I enjoy playing guitar more than playing bass. I will venture to say that I I’ve been doing a lot longer, but they’re fun. It’s a lot of fun. I get it. I’m getting a lot of enjoyment out of it.

[00:19:30] Um, I want to practice it a lot today, but, um, I know we’re only about 20 minutes in, but I feel like it’s, uh, let’s do something else you wanna talk about before we get into the topic.

[00:19:40] Andrew: There’s one other thing that I want to talk about. It’s completely not guitar related whatsoever. Okay. Then

[00:19:45] Emily: let’s go ahead and get into it.

[00:19:49] Andrew: I came to the realization that I’m not actually upset that McDonald’s fries. Don’t decompose. It’s like every time I hear that talked about, it’d be like, oh, it’s so disgusting. They don’t decompose.

[00:20:04] Emily: When have we ever talked about this?

[00:20:07] Andrew: I don’t think we have yet, but I just, it was one of those, like those life moments where I realized that it doesn’t bother me at all. And the reason why it doesn’t bother me is I spilled a drink in the backseat of my car and went to go clean it out. And I realized, as I found like three different McDonald’s fries, if they decomposed how disgusting with my car.

[00:20:26] So

[00:20:31] it’s my hand positive thought of the day.

[00:20:38] Anyways, back to guitars. I need more cash.

[00:20:42] Emily: Uh, I don’t think we’re going to talk. I don’t think we were going to talk about guitars.

[00:20:48] Andrew: But this is a guitar podcast. What are we going to talk

[00:20:50] Emily: about? His guitar as a guitarist and a musician who plays live shows it’s on my mind. So, I mean, I was saying supposed to play because I’m supposed to play a show with a band called giraffe and my basis, and Sunday crush messaged me and they said, Hey, is.

[00:21:11] This is the blue moon’s temporary closure effecting giraffes show. Next Saturday, I said, is there a what? Oh no. And three days ago, uh, they had side of the pandemic continuing to spread despite a thumbs up from politicians. We will be closed today while waiting on a COVID test result from employees, you know, for safety.

[00:21:35] Thank you for understanding where your masks love employee. And they haven’t posted since. So I’m assuming those did not come back all hunky Dory. Yeah. So, um, Delta’s um, as contagious as a chickenpox, I’ve heard that, uh, for every one person that gets it, they give it to eight people. Oh,

[00:22:03] Andrew: that’s a lot to gift that keeps on giving.

[00:22:06] Emily: That’s a lot. Put it in perspective. I think it needs to be like one or two to be containable

[00:22:16] she’s bad. So, um, you know, there’s a lot of conflicting information out there. And what I understand is that at this point with people being vaccinated and still getting sick to truly understand what’s happening, you need that. Pretty advanced understanding of statistics, virology, and disease, which I don’t have, but it seems like obviously you can still get sick.

[00:22:50] Yeah. I mean, this vaccine has always, they’ve always said Pfizer Moderna is like 93% effective against COVID. That’s obviously already leaves about a 7% chance that you could still get it. Right then the more people who don’t get it, that you would come into contact with makes it more likely that you could still get it like that, that, that makes sense in my brain, that if you’re still bouncing around with other little, you know, people who, if you’re browsing around the other people don’t have it.

[00:23:22] Obviously you’re not going to get it. If you’re bouncing around with other people who do have it. You know what, maybe you will, maybe you won’t, it just, it’s just a numbers game. It’s a little bit more of a crap shoot. And then you see things like, um, uh, people who get it, like the same thing happened in Massachusetts where most people who got it were vaccinated, but you’d have to normalize that data because most of the people who were there were vaccinated already.

[00:23:47] So it’s not really about like more likely to, it’s just like, if everybody is there is vaccinated and then. If, if yeah, you know, if everybody there is already vaccinated well, you know, it’s just, if 99% of people who were there vaccinated, one person affects, you know, five of them. I don’t know. It’s, it’s, it’s getting more complicated is what I’m saying.

[00:24:12] So businesses in Seattle arch, especially, I, I I’m aware of businesses in Seattle that are trying to do this. I’m trying to get around to it. Andrew. I’m really sorry. Then he’s, especially after being, after being closed for over 400 days are losing their patients and they are not interested in closing again.

[00:24:37] And this whole honor system thing is really testing them. So they’re, they’re like, fuck the honor system, a bunch of attorneys in Seattle are now requiring proof of vaccination to enter. There venues. Yep. And, um, Lollapalooza this weekend in Seattle and in Chicago did the same thing. They required the paper proof.

[00:25:03] You had to bring your actual vaccination card to the gate to get in. And then you had to, after the first day or so, who were like, Ooh, God, look at this picture is wigging everybody out of everybody in the audience all up against each other. Uh they’re like, oh, and now you have to wear a mask. So, um, it’s kind of a weird place to be because on one hand, I.

[00:25:32] I think it’s a weird thing to make people do that to go to a concert. It’s not like it’s odd. I knew that there was the possibility we talked about this last year. I think last winter, when vaccines were still in development, there was already talk about vaccine passports tied to your ticket master account, where you’d have to be vaccinated in order to attend a concert and Ticketmaster.

[00:26:00] Right. Do you remember that? And it seems like that’s happening starting with a lot of smaller venues too,

[00:26:10] Andrew: right?

[00:26:12] Emily: Yeah. So I wonder if I can find that list.

[00:26:16] Andrew: Yeah. I don’t have a problem with that. Honestly. I’m not even going to beat around the Bush. Um, yeah, I mean,

[00:26:28] If you want to talk about hashtag freedom, um, you’re free to do that. There’s just consequences to choices. I think that’s where some people get mixed up on that. It’s like you’re F if you want to talk about like free country, like. The idea of freedom is really dealt around. At least in the U S in particular is built around the idea that you can do whatever you want, as long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of other people.

[00:26:52] And the nail inalienable rights are life, Liberty, and pursuit of, so I would dare say that transmitting, um, a uncontained deadly disease would fall under that category. So. Um, of infringing that, so like, cool. Don’t get vaccinated. You, you don’t no, one’s going to force you to, but there are consequences that come with that.

[00:27:16] So I I’m fine with that. People, the science is clear. I don’t care if people want to have their own alternative facts or whatever.

[00:27:25] Emily: I mean, I kind of care if people want to have their own alternative facts, but there’s really nothing I can do about it.

[00:27:30] Andrew: No, I mean, yeah. It’s for certain people, I don’t think they’re being necessarily malicious.

[00:27:36] Um, most people are easier to deal with because at least you understand, they are there’s, there’s more to it and you can reason with it. And there’s on the back end of like malicious intent. There’s usually the follow-up rallying cry of like, okay, but this isn’t cool anymore guys. And then there’s just the, there’s the ignorant, I don’t care.

[00:27:58] Um,

[00:28:00] Emily: that’s, uh, that’s the one that, that like gets my goat, honestly. Yeah. And that’s, that’s a lot of people because a lot of those people who think, oh, I would be fine. And the thing is like, you know, you don’t know if you’ll be fine.

[00:28:16] Andrew: You can’t reason with that. And so to a certain point, you just have to say, cool, well, you guys do your own thing.

[00:28:21] I can’t reason with you. That’s we’re going to get nowhere arguing in circles. Guess what actions have consequences. So we’ll just leave it at that YouTube decide what you want to do with that and have a nice day. And that’s, I think that’s kind of where we’re at as a society in terms of the way that this has progressed.

[00:28:37] And I think it’s totally fine for music venues to kind of take it to the next logical step. I don’t think they have a choice.

[00:28:44] Emily: God, I feel like people only ever share things in stories now it makes it impossible to find like posts later. It’s really annoying. Uh, I’m trying to find just a list of any, as I remember Nima Neumos and Barboza they were all on that list of videos requiring that.

[00:29:04] But yeah, I mean, there is people mistake, freedom of choice for freedom from consequences, a lot. That’s, that’s the same with freedom of speech. Um, like you can’t just say whatever you want to say. And expect that there won’t be any consequences from your speaking because there have to be, this is how.

[00:29:26] That’s I mean that, that actually is not protected at all. That’s not even considered freedom of speech and hate speech, which is not exactly like there. And then there are general limits, but even like, which is to say that there are limits to the speech from which you cannot be prosecuted. Like you can be prosecuted for lying about somebody that’s libel and slander.

[00:29:50] You can be prosecuted for inciting violence. You can be prosecuted for, uh, potentially hurting somebody that’s yelling fire in a crowded theater. You can’t be prosecuted for. Um, the people try to just all the time it’s like burning, burning an American flag is considered free speech. Sure. You can’t be, uh, arrested for saying, um, You know, as much as police officers would probably like to arrest you for saying that kind of thing.

[00:30:25] Um, oh, they’re beautiful. Uh, you can like, there are, but like you, but then if you say that in front of a cop and then someone punches you in the face and the cop doesn’t do their job. I mean, it still makes them a bad cop for not doing their job, but that’s also. Something that you should probably expect to happen, right?

[00:30:46] Like if you’re, if you’re, if you’re mean, does, if you’re rude to a customer like an employee, if your customer is rude to an employee at a restaurant and they were fused to serve you. That’s not that infringing on your rights.

[00:31:00] Andrew: Right. If they bring it back and it comes back with a login in the burger, is that right?

[00:31:06] No, but should he expect it? Yeah.

[00:31:07] Emily: That’s assault actually.

[00:31:10] Andrew: It’s flat. I’m not salts. There’s a, there’s a,

[00:31:14] Emily: okay. That was, that was pretty sharp, but that was all right. That was all right. I’m not going to complain about that one, but like, if you’re wearing a company shirt and you go. Call someone racist things and you get fired for it.

[00:31:29] It’s not illegal to say that those racist, the YouTube video, um, but your company might choose to not want to be represented publicly. You’re wearing. If you’re wearing their shirt, it’s their, it’s their prerogative to not, to not be associated with that. Uh, so then you get fired. That’s not an infringement on your free speech.

[00:31:49] It’s probably. You’re you’re, you’re probably, uh, had something in your contract that said you would not like tarnish your, your employer that way. Like there are limits like you, there are consequences to actions. Um, and sometimes that consequences going to be, you can’t be around people if you might kill them.

[00:32:15] Do you know, do you know, sort of typhoid Mary, Andrew. Not

[00:32:20] Andrew: off the top of

[00:32:20] Emily: my head. No. Have you heard of typhoid Mary?

[00:32:24] Andrew: Um, I’ve been told not to say that name three times in the

[00:32:27] Emily: mirror. Okay. That’s a bloody Mary, uh, I think, but close enough. So typhoid, um, is, is it was a very deadly illness. Um, and there was this woman who worked in food prep and she was an asymptomatic carrier of typhoid of typhoid and, uh, She, but she would never get sick of it because again, asymptomatic carrier, those people existed, uh, just like not everybody gets affected by mosquito or bug and bug bites.

[00:33:00] Uh, just like not everybody gets sick from COVID ever they’re asymptomatic carrier. Exactly. You can still have bed bugs in your house, get bitten by them every night and not show any signs of it. Asymptomatic carriers. So she worked in food. And this bitch refused to wash her hands. Hygiene was not a huge deal for her.

[00:33:23] So she would essentially spread typhoid through the homes of everywhere. She worked through these kitchens. They had to lock her up because she refused to stop working in food service. She refused to wash her hands. So she she’s like, it’s my right to work. Yeah. It’s your right to work. It’s not your right.

[00:33:47] To kill people because you refuse to wash your hands. Like she will always have typhoid. It’s all. She will always be a carrier of typhoid fever and she will always kill people if she insists on preparing food without washing our hands. So they had to put her in prayer. And that’s, you know, a very extreme and very famous case of somebody who just would not like, yeah, you know, some people just can’t be stopped because she didn’t believe it.

[00:34:19] She didn’t believe that she was making people sick because she never got it. And sometimes these folk with COVID it’s, it’s taking them getting really sick to believe it. And that’s really sad. I don’t think it should. I don’t want it to take that. I don’t, I get no joy from that and I don’t, but you know, that’s like, it’s the same.

[00:34:37] It’s just what we’ve been saying, you know? Yeah. Right.

[00:34:40] Andrew: Right. Now there is some nuance in all, all of this though, because with the understanding of the Delta very is still getting vaccinated people sick. Of course. There’s a little bit of that. So I don’t want to pretend like I’m ignorant to that fact. And so I think it’s probably not a bad idea to start moving to masses.

[00:34:56] It’s a good idea to still be in preventative mode and not just like, well, we’ll just let whatever happens happens mode. Um, so prevention is always good. Um, and then, but to a certain point, well, I mean, everyone’s been saying if the entire world is not vaccinated by a certain point in the re realistic chances of a variant being mutated and coming up.

[00:35:19] Bypasses the vaccines, to some extent it was kind of an effortless, I mean, now we’re dealing with the Delta variant. That’s kind of changed the ball park a little bit. Um, I’m sure we’ll have a United variant soon. And, um, they just drag people off planes, but the idea is,

[00:35:36] Emily: oh, okay. I thought you were going to say they just throw guitars off planes.

[00:35:44] So the camera didn’t like that. No, you fit in an effects. And then, okay.

[00:35:48] Andrew: Um, so I mean, the idea is like this, isn’t going to be the first round that we’re going to deal with. So we have to figure out what that looks like now. And I think if people are surprised, I, all I have to say is, you know, surprise Pikachu face.

[00:36:02] I mean, what did we expect was going to happen? So, I mean, the freedom has been nice while we’ve had it. And for like the last three weeks,

[00:36:14] Emily: I think it was at Nam. I went to a show at the basement east with a friend. I saw a hail storm and I was looking around like, oh, this is maybe not the smartest thing I’ve ever done in my life, but. Uh, Ooh, I always vaccinated. I felt kind of safe. I was looking at Nashville’s like infection numbers. They looked for low.

[00:36:38] And then I thought at the same time, people come to national and then they leave Nashville for other places.

[00:36:45] Andrew: Right. Well, and I know the flip side of that though, is like, you’re vaccinated. Like you might get sick. You’re not really, I don’t think the chances of me. Yeah. Like much, much, much lower of actually dying.

[00:36:55] Even if you do get sick. So of like, I don’t

[00:36:57] Emily: want to get long COVID I don’t want to have those, like long-term effects, like they’re gross and bad and totally scary.

[00:37:07] Andrew: No, absolutely. But there’s certainly a degree of mitigation. So it’s, it’s going to be a mess. And I think this is kind of just round one of dealing with what the future’s got for us.

[00:37:17] And it sounds depressing. Cause

[00:37:20] Emily: it kind of is, it is depressing because I know people, especially in the music industry, you know, we were the first ones to shut down and uh, well we’re the last ones basically. Yeah. Coming to be the last ones to reopen. And we might have that shortest window of reopening.

[00:37:35] If we have to shut everything down again, and we don’t want to have to do that. People are gearing up for tour again. I mean, that costs money to just even do the gearing up part, procuring things. I mean, these festivals that are happening, they, I don’t know if they were even, they were definitely not able to get like pandemic insurance.

[00:37:55] Yeah, because is there already a known pandemic, so you’re not able to get pandemic insurance for something that’s known typically

[00:38:02] Andrew: it’s like how you can’t get hurricane insurance in certain parts of the Gulf of Mexico. I mean,

[00:38:08] Emily: yeah. I mean, if it’s like, ah, it’s gonna happen. Like it’s even you sometimes as you can get it, but it’s just so expensive that it’s not really, it doesn’t make any sense.

[00:38:16] Um, you know, I, I think it’s probably going to be very risky. To have these festivals. I think they’re just really trying to like, get these festivals, like go and get their money before September and then hope that they can have them again in the spring. Just like, I don’t think any of these like indoor kind of wintery things.

[00:38:39] I think those are a bit of a toss up right now. Um, I think fall tours are a bit of a toss up. I hope Sunday crush gets a couple of gigs in, um, I hope this Saturday gig happens safely. If it can happen safely. I hope it happens if it can’t happen safely. Right. We have, so we have other gigs lined up. It’s just what, you know, this would have been a nice one to happen, but safety is paramount.

[00:39:06] We all have, obviously we’ve worked really hard the past couple of months to getting ready for this show. And it would be a huge slap in the face for it not to happen because you know, that that would, that would be sad. But again, you know, we have, we have other opportunities lined up bigger, better things.

[00:39:22] I just, I really miss it. I miss playing live music. I haven’t, I haven’t played a gig in front of me. People in like a band and a long time, I did one little outdoor song thing last summer, and that felt like a mistake from the, well, when I got there, I wasn’t listening. Oh my God.

[00:39:40] Andrew: I think the question naturally becomes then.

[00:39:42] So we, as a listener, you want to support live music. How can you best do that? And I think the natural conclusions are number one top priority. You get vaccinated. If you want to support the music industry. Get your vaccine. That’s a direct, there’s a direct causation effect between the number of vaccinated people and the effects that it has on the music industry, but of cascade.

[00:40:08] There is a very direct demonstrable like, um, relationship there.

[00:40:14] Emily: So get back and probably at the show, I’ll probably wear a mask mask up for the show. I’ll wear a cute, cute little mask and. Maybe I can, maybe I maybe have time to order Caitlin with some fringes or, or, or something, you know, I have a week.

[00:40:32] Andrew: Yeah. I gotta say it’s been nice not having to wear my mask. Um, like being able to work out the gym without a mask or run to the grocery store real quick. Like it’s been nice. It’s felt good.

[00:40:44] Yeah.

[00:40:44] Emily: I still worry about the grocery stores. It’s it’s nice to go to a restaurant and not have to do the whole like tango, like, oh, the server’s coming.

[00:40:51] I better get that on

[00:40:52] Andrew: really quickly. Um, like, so it’s been nice, but is it worth it? Nah. So I should probably start going back to that

[00:41:03] Emily: practice. Now, the QFC that I go to they’ve put back the, uh, you have to wear your mask sign, but there are people in there without a mask though. I saw a woman there with a mask around her, her chin, and then she had a button that said, Jesus is my vaccine.

[00:41:21] I was like,

[00:41:24] Andrew: no, that’s that’s

[00:41:29] Emily: people always ask me like, oh, it must be just all liberals up in the Pacific Northwest. Like, no. Nope. Just, I mean, I just, it’s just it’s it’s like where I grew up. Wasn’t just conservatives. Like it was 90%, but I lived there and I still came out with, with a mentality with which I came out like yeah.

[00:41:53] People, people, you know, believe what they believe regardless of where they live. Right. And why am I protect live music shirt by the way?

[00:42:02] Andrew: Oh, there you go. Um, yeah, the ideological minorities tend to be a little bit quieter about that sort of thing in any community. So

[00:42:15] Emily: I was not quiet. Imagine me quiet. Some would like to.

[00:42:31] Andrew: Yeah. So, I mean, it’s going to be a, I did that loud

[00:42:34] Emily: sip on perfect. On purpose.

[00:42:35] Andrew: Yeah. Good luck. Things are going to be touch and go for a while. I think we just need to kind of, we need to take a deep breath, remind ourselves that this is not over. We had a nice little break, but it’s not over. We’re going to be dealing with this stuff realistically for like a decade.

[00:42:50] It’s just going to be kind of in and out and varying stages of like, oh, it’s, we’re, we’re better now to like, well, you know, So the tango variants kind of, kind of looking rough this year. Oh,

[00:43:03] Emily: I mean, I, I think it’ll, it’ll be like an annual flu shot. I don’t think it’s ever going away away. And I, it makes me sad because I think that we were always, we’ve always been three weeks away from killing.

[00:43:17] They just needed this.

[00:43:19] Andrew: This was just the U S I think a lot of Americans are forgetting is that the rest of the world isn’t there yet, because the

[00:43:28] Emily: just didn’t move for three weeks as a put for three weeks, right? Three weeks, three weeks.

[00:43:37] Andrew: Oh, that’s asking too much. That’s not going to happen

[00:43:41] Emily: three weeks. Yeah. Thank you. All I ever wanted,

[00:43:50] Andrew: the rest of the world is still still, it hasn’t even had a huge proportion of the world having a chance to get their first vaccine

[00:43:56] Emily: yet.

[00:43:56] So meanwhile, 80,000 doses are about, oh God, this is a guitar pocket. It

[00:44:02] Andrew: makes a difference worldwide. We’re just, this episode is literally talking about first world problems at this point in context of the rest of the world.

[00:44:10] Emily: This is where live music for a year.

[00:44:14] Andrew: Well, I mean, there’s also like the hardest island to infect whenever we’d play.

[00:44:18] What, uh, was it pandemic, I think was the name of the game. We all found our phones. It was a fun game. It

[00:44:25] Emily: was I’m sure. I’m sure it was fun. I’m sure. Now it’s just like, God,

[00:44:29] Andrew: it’s fun until it’s real. Like, oh man, this is

[00:44:33] Emily: yeah,

[00:44:33] Andrew: seriously, but sure. They’re they’re small little island that doesn’t necessarily have the tourism, um, lobbyists that, that Hawaii does.

[00:44:42] So they get out a little bit more scotch free.

[00:44:45] Emily: They have a lot of tourism, dude. Are you serious? Especially after Lord of the rings.

[00:44:51] Andrew: No, I’m not saying that they don’t have any, I’m just saying that the, the amount of control that they have over their borders as compared to Hawaii and the lobbyists that are pushing so hard to get some tourism money back into why they’re asking local residents to use the rash in their own water.

[00:45:04] So the hotels can use as much as they want.

[00:45:08] Emily: Yeah. You know, something about mainland America is just never really given a hoot about the people who actually live in Hawaii.

[00:45:16] Andrew: Yeah. So there’s that my point there being it’s different there, but there’s, America’s not the only country that has had life music historically.

[00:45:26] And so when you talk about some of the venues in Brazil and other parts of the world where they’re still

[00:45:31] Emily: teaching Australia had a bunch of live shows, um, Asia. A bunch of live shows, reversal

[00:45:40] Andrew: everybody in the world. This is the music there’s live venues in pretty much every

[00:45:42] Emily: country. Yeah. Obviously, but just like throughout the pandemic, there have been different regions of the world that were able to control the pandemic better at different points in time that we’re able to revisit and restart live music at different times.

[00:45:56] They basically all, but I think New Zealand then had some. Squish it that’s, that’s been a pretty consistent thing is that once you reopen, you have to then compress it again because you know, that’s what happens. I guess what I was looking for people back in a little box together. Yep. They’re breathing the same air and that’s how COVID spreads and it’s depressing and, you know, it’s, um, It’s not, it’s not, it’s not, it’s not bringing me joy.

[00:46:28] There are things I want to do. Yeah. I’m glad. I’m glad I got, you know, I’m glad I’ve had the experiences I’ve had while, you know, we’ve been reopened. And I hope that I hope that this, these, these rules aren’t, um, you know, I hope they’re meaningful. I hope they do help. I hope that, you know, requiring proof of vaccination in the videos does.

[00:46:52] Um, I absolutely, yeah. I hope it makes a difference. Yeah. And I think that’s all we want because it really has always been about flattening the curve, not understanding that the, it was the unlikelihood of just eliminating it is, you know, it’s not, it’s not, um, it’s not an attainable goal. Probably unfortunately.

[00:47:14] Um, but just making sure that, you know, the sickness that people do get is not as severe, um, that the cases are low and manageable and their hospital beds. That’s what we want, because I think I do just want people to understand that when we talk about this, you and I, it doesn’t come from like, I want people to get vaccinated just so that I can play live music or not.

[00:47:35] I can see live shows. Like, no, I don’t want people to die. Uh, that’s the big thing. I don’t, I don’t want people to die unnecessarily. Um, you know, that that’s, that’s where it comes from. There is of course the frustration of this is the thing I love to do. This is part of my livelihood. This is a lot of people’s main sources of income.

[00:47:58] Like not just even, not, not just performers. There are a lot of people from. Accountants to front of house engineers, uh, to touring managers, to people who just make the merge that people sell on tour. Uh, that it’s a lot harder to move from a web store for some reason. There are a lot of people whose livelihoods rely on, on live touring.

[00:48:26] And the try as we did in the pandemic and the, you know, there was some success, I don’t think it was apples for apples.

[00:48:39] Andrew: Yeah. Right, right. Well, we’ll figure it out as we go. I’m not, no, I’m not all doom and gloom about it. I think we’re going to be just fine. Um, I think it’s just going to be a little bit of touch and go and just gotta be a little flexible.

[00:48:51] Give some grace to music venues who are literally just trying to survive. Can anyone blame them? I can’t. So let them do their thing. If you don’t like it, don’t give your money to another business. I can make this,

[00:49:04] Emily: I want the venues to survive. I mean, it would be priceless. One of the best things about Seattle and one of the things that makes its music scene.

[00:49:11] So, um, lively is that it has such a wide range of venues. It has lots of small clubs that bands can come up in and then slowly, slowly grows. And then big, big, big clubs and venues and stadiums. Um, it just is a really diverse ecosystem in that regard, in terms of clubs that accommodate specific genres to more diverse to different sizes, different areas.

[00:49:44] Um, I really don’t want Seattle to lose that.

[00:49:50] Andrew: Totally. There’s, there’s absolutely a chance of some significant impacts from all of this. And, um, and if there wasn’t, I don’t know, I know that you’re like, I don’t want people to I’m hurt and he’s like, I dunno, let Darwin do what Darren does if it’s on an individual level and you’re really going to make that choice.

[00:50:08] Actions have consequences. Congratulations. You just won the Darwin award. I, that there’s part of me that wants to be like, that’s fine, but because it’s got effects outside of individual people in a very large scale, it’s not

[00:50:19] Emily: just, it’s not, but it’s not just people who chose to not get the vaccine is that people can’t get it.

[00:50:23] And that’s the problem. That’s the bigger problem. But you know, there’s a lot of people who get, I have less sympathy for like the radio talk radio DJ guys who are, uh, you know, Who got COVID and I have a lot less sympathy for them cause they were spewing it. I have a lot more sympathy for the people who were just, you know, let astray, they trusted politicians and they trusted, you know, that, that they should have, they, they trusted people who weren’t cited.

[00:50:52] And that, you know, and that was, you know, a fatal mistake. And I don’t, I don’t, I don’t think that’s how people should die in 600,000 people already did. Right. And it wasn’t just the people who were stupid or in charge. A lot of it was the people who couldn’t afford to not work. Um, I think like one of the most dangerous jobs outside of the healthcare field was a line cooks.

[00:51:17] So another thing people was like, nobody wants to work in McDonald’s anymore. Well, a lot of them died. Yeah. Six times. We’re just like ignoring the fact that 600,000 people died in the, in this discussion about like labor shortages, which is kind of amazing. I know it was a lot of like older people there.

[00:51:33] There’s a lot of younger people too. That’s a lot of, it’s a lot of, it’s a lot of the workforce that just kind of disappeared. That was dark. I know.

[00:51:44] Andrew: Well, I mean, I started with going out on a limb with the Darwin thing and that’s certainly coming from a place of frustration on my end. Of course. I’m not that heartless, but there’s that, that part of me, that’s just like, screw it.

[00:51:55] That’s fine. You do your thing. I’m done arguing.

[00:51:58] Emily: So yeah, I mean, I don’t, I don’t argue with people about it. Like one-on-one, I’m not going to, um, me and one of my, uh, family member blocked me on Facebook. Well, I’m positive. She’s not getting a vaccine. I’m shocked by I’m shocked that she blocked me. That was unexpected.

[00:52:21] Amazing. Well, yeah. Well, I think we better. I want to call this on before it gets darker. Just to know that you might want to call places you’re going and ask if you’re going to need to show proof of vaccination before you go.

[00:52:36] Andrew: Should I laminate my

[00:52:37] Emily: card? No, you’re not supposed to laminate it. Uh, you can make a copy and you can laminate that, but you’re not supposed to laminate the original one because you may have to have a booster added to it.

[00:52:50] Apparently there are apps, but also you can just take a picture on your phone and some cases mine’s on my fridge, my card. Are you looking at yours right now? Yeah, the resolution is still not good enough to have read that, but.

[00:53:06] Andrew: Well to say from that posting pictures of that

[00:53:11] Emily: understandable.

[00:53:12] Andrew: A lot of people don’t people to know that I was born in 1994, such a

[00:53:17] Emily: baby, 1995.

[00:53:21] Well, they’ll never know now, Andrew, right now they’ll never know that you were born in 19, far as far.

[00:53:32] Andrew: Oh, music related note wiggles.

[00:53:37] Emily: Oh yes. We are only $10 away. Um, from our Patrion goal of $150 a month, I would have Andrew Dua, some wiggles cover in some metally.

[00:53:50] Andrew: There will be screaming there, there will be distortion.

[00:53:52] There’ll be, uh, there’ll be some fun. I was actually just hanging out with a buddy of mine last night and he’s a. He, he, at one point in time in a former life was, it was a producer. Um, and I was like, Hey, do you want it tell you what if I give you beer? We hang out for an afternoon. Can we just like, crank this out and have some fun with it?

[00:54:13] And he’s like, yeah, absolutely. And he did like some indie production. Um, and he’s like, but he’s like, here’s the thing. Metal’s the most. To do because it’s just so wild. There’s no, so he’s excited for it. I’m excited for it. I think we’re shooting for it a couple of weeks, but I’ve got it lined up. We’ll sit down.

[00:54:36] He, he knows more than I do about some of the, the finer things in life. Um, awesome. So I’ll scream. It there’ll be, but I won’t be releasing it until we hit hit the goal. I’m just praying until the getting ahead of it because.

[00:54:55] Emily: We’re so close though. We are so close. We are currently at $140 a month. We need to get to $150 a month.

[00:55:04] Andrew: I think we can do it. I think I

[00:55:06] Emily: could do it.

[00:55:12] Okay, well, um, yes. So, uh, again, patrion.com/get offset. We have merchant get us at podcast.com/shop. Uh, please rate review, subscribe on iTunes, like comment, subscribe on YouTube. Um, if you’re watching this, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. If you’re just listening and, uh, thanks for understanding until next time.

[00:55:35] My name is Emily

[00:55:36] Andrew: and my name is Andrew. It, bye.

[00:55:39] Emily: Bye.