Get Offset Episode 152: New Jazzmasters, New Haircuts

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[00:00:06] Andrew: welcome to the get offset.

[00:00:26] welcome to the get offset podcast. My name is Andrew

[00:00:30] Emily: as Emily and misspoke this time.

[00:00:36] Andrew: Well, that’s probably overdue for me to, to do the same

[00:00:41] Emily: red leather, yellow leather.

[00:00:45] Andrew: I’m not going to bother trying

[00:00:48] Emily: gosh, stretch to them mouth muscles.

[00:00:52] Andrew: That means I have to talk to people. That’s

[00:00:53] Emily: hard. Hey, I talked to yourself in a mirror. Nah, nah. Now.

[00:01:04] Andrew: I will talk about that. Um, anyways, no, I, something funny that happened at work the other day, but probably not best talk about the podcast.

[00:01:15] Emily: I don’t do that. That’s

[00:01:16] Andrew: fine. Uh, yeah, no, we haven’t recorded in a little bit. I think we recorded a couple of the last couple of episodes in short succession from each other just based on, uh, on schedule.

[00:01:26] So we had labor day weekend off, which is great. And then it’s been a minute. So it’s like sitting down in this chair. I’m like we have a stiff.

[00:01:34] Emily: Yeah. I mean, I’ve had two live shows since we left.

[00:01:38] Andrew: You had two live shows. It’s rained.

[00:01:43] Emily: It’s fall now. It’s like, it feels like we’ve had weather.

[00:01:47] Andrew: Uh, I’m holding my breath, uh, for.

[00:01:52] Well, because we’ve had fire season well into September, but last

[00:01:55] Emily: couple of years, yeah. I feel like we kind of like, we have some like stupid hot days, but I feel like we got out relatively.

[00:02:02] Andrew: We had like a week, like a month ago. That was like really smoky, but

[00:02:07] Emily: it wasn’t

[00:02:08] Andrew: ideal by far nothing compared to last couple, three years of smoke weeks.

[00:02:14] So I’m waiting to see if we’re going to get that back again, by the end of the month, before I go pull the AC unit. So I think because if, if we hit smoke season, even if it’s 70 degrees outside, I need to shut the windows and run the AC. Right. Instead of just breathing that all in. Oh yeah.

[00:02:29] Emily: That’s bad because they got a lot of people can’t relate.

[00:02:32] Like if, if you’re not, if you don’t know what it’s like to have, like unbreathable air, then you don’t know what it’s like that on breathable air. Right? It is.

[00:02:40] Andrew: Um, uh, it just falls in the category of like, if I’m going to be putting Ash on my lungs, it better have nicotine in it. It’s like, at least I enjoy that.

[00:02:50] Emily: At least you get a high from it, you know?

[00:02:53] Andrew: Right.

[00:02:54] Emily: At least there’s at least say something you get, and then you can sleep from that other than like general malaise and like a stomach ache and

[00:03:01] Andrew: sneezes. And like, it’s the sign? Is this for me? That gets it real bad with the smoke. Oh

[00:03:07] Emily: yeah. And then you like blow your nose and it’s like, yeah.

[00:03:12] Andrew: It’s like 30 ish. Brownish ashy. Gray. Yeah,

[00:03:17] Emily: yeah, yeah, yeah. You, yeah. So no, I had two live shows and they were both great. Um, then get COVID at either of them. Uh, they were both mask mask required backs or a negative COVID test required. Both were quite well attended. Um, obviously not sell outs either of them.

[00:03:37] Uh, but you know, both felt like there was a lot of love in the room. So, uh, that was great. One was a Sunday crush at Connor burn and that was so much fun. And then the other one was my first ever base gig with a new band called giraffe. It’s kind of like rock Americana, really, really good songwriting.

[00:03:55] I’ve had a lot of fun. I’ve never really played bass before. So it was like baby’s first base gig. I played direct with, um, I had my, uh, uh, uh, uh, Ooh boy, I didn’t run through that. Uh, ground control audio, their Serpens, uh, compressor boost, optical compressor slash boost had that going into the Mozet lower drive slash Robert overdrive, uh, that, uh, went into the, um, GFI Cassius mano.

[00:04:33] And that was my, that was my board. It was great. Loved it. We got to play Elvis Costello’s. What’s so funny about peace, love and understanding. And I love it when people and Jeff did a great job saying it, but I love it when guys want to cover Elvis Costello. Cause I think that a lot of people who want to cover all those costs, they’ll forget that he’s a really, quite a good singer with quite a good range.

[00:04:55] So people try to get into the forgetting that it’s, it’s a pretty, it’s a pretty hard note to hit, right.

[00:05:05] Andrew: Unless you’re starting like real low, that’s a lot of people’s entire range.

[00:05:09] Emily: Yeah. Yeah. So in the first rehearsal, we, we practiced that song and I remember Jeff was like singing it and then he goes into the last one and he’s like, I think he just forgotten how high that note was.

[00:05:20] And he’s like, so he had clearly like rehearsed it a lot and we always had a gray, there’s some really fun video of that. And I think that’s going to get edited eventually, but not by money. I ain’t got time for that.

[00:05:34] Andrew: That’s awesome. It sounds like life’s been much more exciting for you than it’s been for me.

[00:05:40] Emily: Okay.

[00:05:42] Andrew: Although I did almost kill a Tik TOK influencer the other week, what

[00:05:46] Emily: like literally or figuratively

[00:05:51] Andrew: sort of is the answer to that. So

[00:05:57] there’s a tick talk influencer that I follow on Instagram because I’m not cool enough to be on tech talk. And, um, Sqirl named names, his name, his name is Sydney Raz. He’s got a great account. And the whole premise of the account is things I learned in my thirties. Uh, and it just like, so things I learned in my thirties and we’ll talk about something that’s, you know, kind of life hacks or common sense or just stuff that 20 year olds are young and dumb about.

[00:06:23] And since you know, I’m still in my twenties, but

[00:06:27] Emily: you can get it. You can get a head start

[00:06:29] on

[00:06:29] Andrew: it. Yeah. I’ve got a kid already, so I pack it’s relevant information now. And. Anyways. So I’ve been following this account for a little bit. I’m like, I’m going to send him a tip, uh, by I’m going to try to reach out by posting it in my insert record, recorded video of me doing it, post it to my Instagram and post it to my Instagram story and tag him in it.

[00:06:51] So I did that and no response didn’t know, no likes, nothing. I’m like, all right, that’s fine. And then like the week after I did that, he was on his Instagram is watching his Instagram story and he’s like, Hey, caution, blood boarding. And then he flips over in his fingers. There’s bleeding. And he’s like, I’m following a tip from a, uh, that I got from, uh, from a fan and, uh, cut my finger, not once but twice.

[00:07:18] Uh, but I think there’s something here. And then he like showed him the background, knew what it is, is something that’ll do. Sometimes it’s like a can, like, this is. Hoping it with a can opener and then carefully just take the top off and you just get like a full, open glass situation and it’s smooth on the inside.

[00:07:33] So you can’t cut yourself unless you touch the actual rim like that you’re pulling out. It was really neat cause it’s nice and smooth, but he cut himself like trying to pull it out and he did it twice. And I was like, maybe I’m not the only one that sent it, but he’s also tagged Spindrift, which is one of the companies he likes to tag a lot and it was a grapefruit Spindrift and he had two grapefruits spin drifts on the counter of the Instagram.

[00:07:57] I was like, oh no, I’m so

[00:07:58] Emily: sorry. So as an apology, I did.

[00:08:02] Andrew: Oops. Um, uh, yeah, so that’s my, uh, I guess attempted murder by accident,

[00:08:11] Emily: remotely maiming via work from home. I try to help, but you know, it’s just, it wasn’t the, it wasn’t that the tip was bad or malicious. It’s just like. Maybe you did. Did you, did you mention the part about like how not to grab it?

[00:08:28] Andrew: No, but I always use a fork and I used a fork in my video.

[00:08:32] Emily: Oh, okay. Maybe just the follow-up like, yeah. I forgot to mention why I use the fork.

[00:08:41] Andrew: So now I haven’t done it. I haven’t done it since, because now I’m scared of me. I’ve been doing it for a while and I’m now I’m scared. I’m gonna hurt myself. Wow.

[00:08:49] Ruined it for myself too.

[00:08:51] Emily: You got a haircut too. That’s

[00:08:53] Andrew: new. I did. Yeah. Yeah. So things changed at work. And I started growing up my hair with this whole idea of I’ll cut it off when things are back to normal, which at the time seemed like it was going to be in a couple months. It’ll be kind of funny high under shaggy.

[00:09:09] And things was clearly not returned back to normal, normal, but I think this is the new normal for a while. I think we’re going to be kind of in and out of whatever the state is that we’re all experiencing for awhile. And. Uh, with some, some of the bigger changes at work. And I need for me to look a little bit more professional.

[00:09:27] It’s like, you know what? I think it’s time for me to accept that this is the new normal kind of cut off all that emotional attachment. I’ve put on my hair. It’s just part of my acceptance process, which is a really strange way to deal with things. But now, whatever it’s been a weird year,

[00:09:44] Emily: um, you don’t have any new pedals that you’ve like recently traded for.

[00:09:49] Perhaps

[00:09:52] Andrew: I got a blender, a stereo blender here that

[00:09:58] Emily: I thought you traded somebody for a delay pedal. No. Oh. Or was there somebody else who traded something for someone else did that trade. Oh, okay. Cause I was thinking I’m like, I think I still see the.

[00:10:15] Andrew: Yeah, I know a friend of ours is trading, uh, uh, uh and I almost sprung for it, but I D I, I hesitated and somebody else jumped on that train before I did, but I did get this.

[00:10:30] I don’t, I don’t think I had this since the last episode, but a stereo effects loop with a blend knob. I don’t honestly have an idea of what I’m going to do with this. The big thing for me is I had a Amano version of this, the same brand, this one’s mine, which is now out of business a while ago, sold it, regretted it.

[00:10:52] And I’ve got a stereo version. Although the one I had before had a TRS out for expression control, this one doesn’t oh, well, uh, and then the other thing I got, oh, I did get hiccups, which I need to quit. Um, so I I’ve been as, as getting grinders in it. I’m wearing

[00:11:10] Emily: a shirt. He just keeps wandering off the screen for those who are listening and wondering why he keeps sounding this dentist.

[00:11:18] Cause he keeps walking around.

[00:11:20] Andrew: I’m just grabbing stuff. But, um, I don’t know if you can see this for well,

[00:11:25] Emily: this pickups, uh, the cool thing is though,

[00:11:31] Andrew: where are the shrews?

[00:11:34] Emily: They must not be important. There’s no

[00:11:36] Andrew: screws.

[00:11:37] Emily: I got the, uh, pull pieces, no visible pull pieces.

[00:11:44] Andrew: Well, yeah, but usually so if, cause he also have like the S the whole pieces in one end of the screws and the other.

[00:11:49] And if you do the cover humbucker, usually you don’t see the pole pieces, but you see the screws and this one is just completely blank. I think it’s a cool look.

[00:11:56] Emily: Oh, look, I completely agree. I’ve thought about getting that, um, that look as well. I just never, never did.

[00:12:05] Andrew: No, I got him like a week ago and I got my bench set, like pulled out my stuff to swap out the pickups.

[00:12:09] And then a buddy of mine brought his guitar over and he had a, uh, silver tones, Strat knockoff that looked like it was, I guess, sometime in the last 20 years, plywood body, the workspace, he hadn’t changed out the strings in several years. It was kind of newer to guitar. I was like, all right, we’re going to take a look at this.

[00:12:29] And so it took the strings off and cleaned off the frets and the fret board and like had to take the razorblade to get all the finger dunk off.

[00:12:37] Emily: Oh yeah. Dude like the guitarist and jerks. Cause I play bass, not guitar. He, he gave me his Les. Paul is epi Les Paul, but uh, he usually rehearsals with a Telecaster and I was giving him some shit.

[00:12:50] Because there was so much finger cheese, like on the board. He’s like, but that’s like, well, earn I’m like front where as well, like, like the wear spots as well on the, on the neck are well earned. Like that’s just your cheese. I’m like, you should clean that. Like, yep. That’s kind of gross, dude. And that was funny.

[00:13:10] Well, then I forgot to tell, like, I want to talk about like, so, uh, we show like our call times of the tractor Tavern is five and I’m kinda like, oh, I’ve never like, had them like actually sound check us on time, but I’m like, I’ll get there at five. They say, we gotta be there. Whatever. I’ll bring a book and I get there at five and yadda, sure enough, they’re checking us at five and everyone’s there except the drummer.

[00:13:31] And we’re like, fuck, is the tremor. We actually miss our sound check. No, Trevor was getting a haircut. He had, I guess, slept through his original haircut appointment, decided he really needed a haircut. So this will mean more to people who are in Seattle. The only haircut he could get was in Capitol hill and the truck drivers in Ballard.

[00:13:55] And he obviously couldn’t get from Capitol hill at five o’clock to Ballard and time him. Yeah. So he must start a soundcheck part spot. And then when it’s our time to go on and we’re lying, checking, I have a point I’m like, where’s, where’s the guitarist. And then I see him in the crowd and I’m like, motion, my husband, like, go get the guitars, tell me to be on stage, like what’s happening.

[00:14:21] Oh my God. It’s little fresh. Well, we played in

[00:14:26] Andrew: his defense last time I went to show the drummer. Clearly hadn’t had a haircut in a few weeks and, uh, ruined the whole experience. I mean, I was just decided by, I was

[00:14:34] Emily: like, man, just wear a hat. That’s what I did. That’s what I did. That’s what I usually do. So I’m doing right now.

[00:14:44] I was like, oh man, but can I show you my what’s new though? Because unless you want to say more about the drummer getting

[00:14:50] Andrew: no, I mean, I could, but it really just be rehashing stereotypes that have now been reinforced and, uh, and just kind of being reminded that he just took us back a decade in drummer stereotypes

[00:15:03] Emily: killing me.

[00:15:04] I was a little grumpy at the sound guy. Cause he, we were like, can we like do some sort of check? Maybe the other drummer was, he was willing to stand in and like help us like get a couple of levels. And the sound goes like, there’s no point. And we’re like, we kind of disagree. Okay. And I was like, I just at least want to make sure my DEI set up kind of works and sounds good.

[00:15:24] And he did the whole, oh, like it’s like Paul read an old school. Ooh. Or didn’t know what had American summer.

[00:15:34] Andrew: I don’t know.

[00:15:36] Emily: I just wanted to make sure the DEI works and sure enough, we plug it in and then I had to make some adjustments to the settings. So I felt a little bit vindicated about that.

[00:15:43] Andrew: Yeah. I mean,

[00:15:45] Emily: I just, let me check my Dai if

[00:15:48] Andrew: it’s a, if it was a digital board that I knew, well, I would have been tempted to then assume we were running a different preset for each band, all the band members that were there for soundcheck on a single, uh, a control group.

[00:16:01] And that way, when the drummer gets back later, you’ve got just one fader for the rest of the band and mix them with the

[00:16:05] Emily: drum set. I mean, it was a digital board. Yeah.

[00:16:07] Andrew: So that’s what I would’ve done. But maybe the sound guy, wasn’t it. There’s a variety of

[00:16:15] Emily: their roles. We did not abide by the rules. Get it.

[00:16:21] He, he was under no obligation to coddle us, but at the same time, it never hurts to like, be

[00:16:31] Andrew: nice. At least buy him a beer for letting you test your guitar.

[00:16:37] Emily: No, no. I want to show you what I got. It’s not the oil can delay it’s it’s my white whale. It’s my, it’s my way wheel the Jazzmaster. It’s the Elvis Costello’s signature jazz master, which I could not afford when it came out.

[00:16:56] So I didn’t buy it. And one just came up for sale in Seattle. So I jumped on it and I have it smells so good nature. That nitro smell

[00:17:09] Andrew: does smell good.

[00:17:12] Emily: I just, I saw it go up for sale from a guy named Lee. I immediately go upstairs and say, Rick, I’m buying it. And he’s like, good. Okay. It’s like, I just want you to play at first. So I messaged her and I’m like, Rick wants me to play at first. And then it says, you want to just take it home for a couple of days.

[00:17:27] I was like, okay. And Lino I’d actually bought from him that he had the Sunday crush show that non-functioning oil can delay video up on YouTube of me working on that and getting it to my functional. And I’ll have another one up, uh, this week of me getting it mostly functional, but a spoiler alert. I’m trading it back to Lena for partial with a little bit more for partial credit toward this thing.

[00:17:57] So I’m like, I’m happy as a clam. Like, uh, this, this, I wanted a lot more like this, like Elvis Costello, uh, is my favorite. One of my favorites of all time. One of my favorite songwriters, um, he just is so meaningful to me. He’s the reason I really like offsets and Jazzmasters. I listened to my industry so many times I’ve seen this guitar and so many pictures and obviously he refinished it.

[00:18:24] So it’s not like this Walnut color anymore live, but, uh, man, I do love, I do love this guitar and uh, it’s, it’s such, it’s such a nice guitar to play.

[00:18:36] Andrew: Uh, well, good. Yeah. Super exciting. I’m happy

[00:18:39] Emily: about it. So yeah, this is my, this is my new thing. I’m sure people be like, you already get a rid of the oil can delay, like yeah,

[00:18:49] Andrew: it’s bulky.

[00:18:51] Emily: Yeah. You know, and. I, you know, it’s fine. You know, things, it easy come easy go. It would have been a lot harder to get rid of. If I had had it for a long time, I, I got some really fun content with it. It was a really cool, fun learning experience. Rick and I had a lot of fun, uh, last weekend, opening it up and like learning a lot about it, watching videos and stuff, and, you know, it was a great experience and I came out.

[00:19:26] Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

[00:19:32] Andrew: Well, uh, my other what’s new is nowhere, nearly as exciting, but still kind of exciting for. I got a new computer. Yay. Uh, and, uh, this is actually the first time I’ve got like up and running, like as of like 20 minutes ago.

[00:19:47] Emily: Wow.

[00:19:51] Andrew: Yeah. So if this like dies in the middle of the episode, I’m going to have some questions, but not worried about it.

[00:19:58] I got it officially running yesterday. I’ve just been running updates and what not, this is the first time doing anything other than updates and putting in hardware and stuff like that was like, yeah. Anyways. Uh, yeah, so I, uh, a friend of mine give me out of the graciousness of their heart, a whole bunch of leftover PC parts and said, if you can supply like the three other things that you need, uh, you can have them.

[00:20:23] And so for a

[00:20:26] Emily: graphics

[00:20:26] Andrew: card, that was one of the things that was being given.

[00:20:33] Emily: Okay.

[00:20:34] Andrew: The, the Invidia that I’ve been running in my other machine, which is a HP compact desktop, that it’s from 2011, which is, uh, running for years. Uh, definitely got the money’s worth out of it, but, uh, yeah, it’s significantly better in terms of graphics capability. So I got the GPU for that. So I got a GPU, a motherboard 32 gig of Ram.

[00:20:59] Uh, I got a capture card, which I might need to do something with, for content, but I haven’t actually installed yet. Uh, so I had to supply a case, a CPU and a CPU cooler. And then I ended up ordering the case from Amazon. There was a mix-up and I got it for like 85% off.

[00:21:19] Emily: Oh,

[00:21:22] Andrew: I got this sucker for all things considered like super cheap, so, oh, what else got the power.

[00:21:26] He also gave me a power supply, so like I got most of everything I needed. Oh. And I also got to forget. So, I mean, I basically got given a free computer, so I’m happy as a clam and I,

[00:21:39] Emily: yeah. What was the happiest clams? Damn good for us. We’re having a claim kind of Wiki. I’m going

[00:21:45] Andrew: to get a Adobe suite loaded on it.

[00:21:47] I mean, age of empires to definitive intuition, um, which isn’t even super graphics heavy. It just barely runs in my other machine. So excited to be able to actually play that it resolutions it’s supposed to be played at. So it’s, it’s been a fun week. That’s gratifying to build it with my hands and like,

[00:22:07] Emily: it feels good.

[00:22:09] I get that. I get that because I just, uh, I kind of have a similar sitch, but uh, can I actually speak in an Amazon? I got an Amazon delivery the other day. I’m like sitting here at work and I see just like the silhouette of a package being thrown over my fence. And so I’m just like, I’m already getting kind of, I’m kind of frustrated cause I’m like trying to do something else.

[00:22:31] So I get up and I kind of go outside and I’m just like, just for her, I’m not like yelling at the guy. I’m just like projecting so I can be heard. I’m like, Hey, did you just start a package over my fence? And he’s like, no, I like, okay, well I just watched you do it. And he’s like, it was really light. It was like a letter or something.

[00:22:50] I’m like, no, it wasn’t a letter. He was like, well, was it fragile? Is it broken? Was like, well, I don’t know if it’s broken yet, but please. I just don’t want things thrown over my fence. You know, I just don’t like my package to throw it over my beds,

[00:23:04] Andrew: heavy, a cup of coffee. I

[00:23:05] Emily: know like I’m like, it’s just not, it’s just, I’m like, it’s just not right to throw people’s packages over fences.

[00:23:11] It’s a, was it broken? Like, I don’t know. Because obviously I have like knife and bed. He’s like, is that your package? I’m like, yeah, it was my package, my house. And he’s like, well, if it’s broken, you can file a complaint or something like that. And he just said that I was like, whoa, okay, man. I was like,

[00:23:31] Andrew: great.

[00:23:33] Emily: I know, like I felt like, dude, like, do I feel for you? But like literally all he needed to do was say, sorry, and like, just come on. Like I I’m in a rush. Yeah. Sorry my bad. Just say that. Just say that. Just, just, just say that. Just say, sorry. I’m really overworked. I get that. I’m just like, man, I’ve had so much stuff get thrown over that fence.

[00:23:56] It’s it’s kind of a miracle that like, she hasn’t gotten broken, but I’m waiting for it to happen. Actually. Like Sweetwater has actually stopped. Using FedEx. Like they, haven’t a note in my account to stop using FedEx because FedEx keeps hurling stuff over my fence. I, so I just thought it was FedEx. I got there, like

[00:24:23] I know, you know, they got like, that guy was just like swoosh, right? This guy, this guy was this guy, Frisbee debt. There you go.

[00:24:31] Andrew: Yeah. Going for the, for the basket.

[00:24:34] Emily: Yeah. It wasn’t broken the thing, which is also amazing because actually it was kind of fragile, but

[00:24:42] just because it’s lightweight doesn’t mean it’s not fragile.

[00:24:45] Andrew: That does remind me. I I’ve updated my theory for who, who took it out my trashcan a few weeks ago. And my new theory is I wonder if it was a, I have to wonder if it was like a delivery driver or something. Cause like our trash cans are tech around the side of the house.

[00:25:00] And what if like dropping off a package at my front door, they see that we don’t have a ring camera and. Uh, or so they think ha and just, uh, not a ring, but something, uh, I, if I really wanted to check, I could probably do that, but I don’t care enough.

[00:25:22] Emily: I’ll be honest. That’s like, I just don’t think I’d want to see.

[00:25:27] I’m just going to let some things remain mysteries.

[00:25:30] Andrew: So that’s my new, that’s my new pet theory. And that makes me feel a little bit better about having you take care of it. Cause I’m like, well, it’s, someone’s really in a pinch, um, pun intended then.

[00:25:41] Emily: Yeah, that was good. That’s the good, oh my God.

[00:25:52] Oh my God. Oh God. Why do people need me right now? Sorry. Why stop needing me? That’s my advice to people today.

[00:26:07] Andrew: That’s good advice. It’s a Sunday. It’s like the last day of the weekend to like, have some like self care and catch up and things to be successful.

[00:26:14] Emily: Yeah. I mean, I have a big video launching today.

[00:26:17] So if you’re listening to this, check the YouTube out the YouTubes. Yeah. I can’t talk about it because we’re premiering the podcast. So if you’re watching, you’ll be watching this in the future. If you’re watching the premiere of this big video launching on Tuesday, so I’m excited, I’m excited. I think, I think, you know, you ever, do you ever do some work and you’re like, I don’t know if this is really good or really bad, or like good work or bad work.

[00:26:43] That’s me a lot. I hope it’s good. So, you know, I’m, I’m, I’m proud of it. I’m excited about it. I try to do more than I usually do. So hopefully, hopefully, hopefully it was worth it. You know, I worked really hard on it, so I hope, hope that paid off.

[00:27:02] Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. Hard work is always appreciated.

[00:27:05] Emily: Yeah. Well, this week’s episode of get offsite is sponsored by Caroline guitar company a two day.

[00:27:12] Um, let’s talk about Hawaiian pizza. It’s a really fun, fun. It’s like you can get that everything from that like really crunchy, nasty date and fuzz sound, which I really like a lot, but you know, that, that puzzle also runs really well. Uh, it on really low game settings, it’s just such a diverse fuzz or gain or dirt pedal.

[00:27:35] So, uh, check that one out. And I also it’s proof

[00:27:38] Andrew: that pineapple does indeed belong on your guitar town. One

[00:27:42] Emily: of the things I like is they do the really fun, like limited edition runs of that. Like I know there was a vegetarian pizza, there was the American version and like the Russian version of those around like the 4th of July.

[00:27:57] So they have a lot of fun with that one. So that’s.

[00:28:00] Andrew: I mean, Philly’s got just this like super cheeky kind of sense of humor. That is absolutely love. Totally. Everything’s got like, kind of a, uh, it’s like, uh, he doesn’t take himself seriously, but it’s got, everything’s like some sort of form of a play on words or there’s layers to it.

[00:28:17] And it’s just, it’s thought out it’s enjoyable. It’s his personality showing through. And I like seeing builder’s personalities come out in their products.

[00:28:26] Emily: Yeah, me too. Cool. Uh, yeah, you want to talk about now? Cause everyone I think was like planning on going to Anaheim.

[00:28:37] Andrew: Oh, what’s her

[00:28:39] Emily: Nam more like, wait January Nam,

[00:28:43] Andrew: June in Anaheim, because that’s where I want to be in the middle of summer.

[00:28:48] Emily: Wow. I don’t want, I don’t, I gotta be honest. I don’t want to really be a Nashville and middle of somewhere either.

[00:28:54] Andrew: Sure. But I living in LA for, uh, for like, like five years or whatever ended up being, uh, summer’s just, it’s not fun. Or like, I should

[00:29:06] Emily: probably, I mean, I could probably knock a baseball park off of my, uh, my checklist.

[00:29:13] It’s true. Yeah. Maybe two, maybe two I’ve always wanted to go to I’m a big fan of not like I’ve been, I should, nobody gives a shit. How many baseball parks I’ve been to? Because it hasn’t been that many. I just would like to go to more. But yeah, so that, I don’t think anybody expected that I don’t think anybody expected.

[00:29:35] Um, Nam to just, instead of like, I don’t having like a winter Nam or it’s like a summer Nam, but they’re just moving it to June is going to be an Anaheim, which obviously means there’s not going to be a summer Nam in Nashville. Right. So it seems almost like there’s not going to be seasonal Nam,

[00:30:03] Andrew: just an annual or maybe it’s just for one year until they feel like things have recovered

[00:30:07] Emily: maybe.

[00:30:08] But I mean, like

[00:30:09] Andrew: I haven’t communicated anything really outside of this is when we’re doing it next. There’s no thought process. There’s no, I would feel a lot more comfortable with it personally, if there was a, here’s why we’re doing this, here’s what the game plan is moving forward. Because for people, especially people who are selling B2B, this is their networking event for the year, whereas they can still network outside of that.

[00:30:33] This is a great chance for people to. B2B business relationships. And if your business relies on that, you kind of want to be able to plan out a little farther in advance than just like the next year.

[00:30:44] Emily: Yeah.

[00:30:45] Andrew: So I think, I think that’s a miss. Uh, and then for the rest of it, it’s just kind of confusing. Cause I don’t know about you I’ve reached a stage of life where like I plan out most of my traveling months in advance when I

[00:30:59] Emily: can.

[00:31:00] Well, yeah, that’s just, that is a lot of being an adult, especially for a lot of adults who have the jobs where they have to put in their vacation a year in advance, which is a little, you know, a lot of people, but you know, somewhere now, you know, I mean, again, we’re in the middle of the global pandemic, but there was some interesting choices as far as who didn’t, did not decide to attend fender did not attend and Gibson did not attend.

[00:31:27] And those are,

[00:31:28] Andrew: those are two offender.

[00:31:31] Emily: And give some probably would never attend again because they had the Gibson showroom right down the street. Why would they attend? Like they had a presence in

[00:31:41] Andrew: no, they just dumped, I’m assuming millions of dollars into this showroom. Yeah. And that’s going to be better than any booth they could put together

[00:31:51] Emily: a Nam.

[00:31:51] Yeah. Yeah. So there was a lot of empty emptiness there. And so I wouldn’t be surprised if the people in charge of said, it seems like two events isn’t super viable. If we cannot get fender or Gibson into the bill. Cause there are other brands that have presences in Nashville that didn’t attend. I mean, easefully guitars has a showroom in Nashville and they did not attend, you know?

[00:32:20] Andrew: Right. I do wonder how much of it is kind of that tension between like a business models of being B2B versus B2C. Eh, for reaching customers and for brands like fender and Gibson where their, their B2B business contacts are well-established and realistically people, businesses are coming to them to try to become dealers, not the other way around.

[00:32:41] So there’s not as much of a incentive for that in an, in a pandemic world. Uh, realistically like that direct access to customers is kind of had the playing field level of that with more, more people than ever shopping from home, as well as seeing that the highest fender offenders, highest selling year to date, uh, with a lot of that, not being from in-store sales.

[00:33:05] And so I wonder how much the pandemic has really changed the, the mindset of the companies who are forward looking rather than just sitting in a status quo of a business salesman.

[00:33:16] Emily: Well, you know, and like fender probably taking a lot of their budget and spending in another place, it’s spending it with more like artists representation, demo artists sending a lot more year, frankly, to people like me.

[00:33:27] I mean, I’ve got this tone master super river, I’m going to be using it a lot more demos. They’re sending me, uh, things that they’re launching. They’re sending me the paranormal stuff and the paranormal series and a lot of other people, the acoustic Sonic thing, they just dropped that with them to a ton of people.

[00:33:47] And people can, people can make fun of that series, but the reason they built a second plant for it is because they’re selling. Yep. You know,

[00:33:58] Andrew: back in a lie, I’d play one.

[00:34:01] Emily: Yeah, they’re really fun. Like my singer and Sunday crushy, I load her mind and she likes it. She plays it. She has a lot of fun with it.

[00:34:10] You know, it’s a really unique, uh, tool to have in your arsenal. And, you know, I could talk about that for a while, but you know, if the brands aren’t going to be at summer Nam, then there’s probably just not a reason to have it. And if a big purpose of having Nam for a lot of brands, like kind of shifted from being in retail to press, and you don’t really need that to get the press.

[00:34:41] Like if you have that more direct access to influencers, publications, and yeah, you probably don’t need to spend all that money on a booth at the same time. I, at the same time, like I know people who said that summer Nam was their best summer dam ever in. Sales and business because it was smaller. And because, uh, they weren’t so worried about getting press and because the people who were just kinda like enthusiasts, who snuck in on their friends, you know, got an extra badge or whatever kind of thing, taken up their time, their valuable time Yammer in or whatever.

[00:35:20] Like I heard that from more than five people that it was their best Nam ever, and I’m talking big brands.

[00:35:29] Andrew: Sure. Yeah. And I believe that I still think there’s absolutely a place for B2B sales networking.

[00:35:37] Emily: Yeah. Oh, totally. And if that’s, if it’s about Nam getting kind of back to its roots in that regard, and it’s probably for the best, but it’s probably going to require more than just reducing it to once a year and putting it in the summer.

[00:35:55] I’m curious as to why they changed the date. Is it,

[00:36:04] Andrew: I wonder if they’ve pushed back scheduling January so far that at this point it’s kind of like, Hey, if you book it now we’re close enough to where you can’t say just kidding Delta, variant and back out. I wonder if that’s part of it.

[00:36:20] Emily: I wonder if they’re worried about rising cases just in general with the winter, because that’s what happened last year

[00:36:26] Andrew: is what you’re saying.

[00:36:26] That’d be easier. It might be easier for them to cancel, get a deposit back, whatever it may be for next summer, if they’re booking now and then keeping an eye on things now come February, March. Well,

[00:36:36] Emily: I mean, it, in general, like when people are cooped up inside, like in the winter cases tend to go up. So maybe, maybe that’s maybe that’s part of it.

[00:36:46] Andrew: Maybe they took needed to take an insurance policy out for the booking of the. And the insurance policy could have kicked it back and said, it’s going to be way more expensive if you’re booking for January based on the trends we’re seeing. Maybe

[00:36:58] Emily: I have no idea. I know, I know it’s going to be fucking impossible to get pandemic insurance for the rest of forever.

[00:37:05] Yeah. So yeah. Uh, well just

[00:37:09] Andrew: expensive,

[00:37:11] Emily: impossible, impossible. Um, impossible, because it already exists. Uh, th the, the pandemic already exists and that’s usually pandemic insurances for pandemics that can not be predicted. Right. So when it already exists and you can’t get that

[00:37:33] Andrew: coverage pro I dunno. I you’re probably

[00:37:37] Emily: right.

[00:37:38] I mean, I, I am, I believe you. I, I’m sorry. W when, when COVID started, I actually looked that up. Gotcha. Yeah. I looked that, I looked that up to see. Uh, because I was curious, I’m like one actually like count, like fairs with livestock are more likely to get pandemic coverage for the livestock and shit like that.

[00:38:01] Yeah. But basically I remember looking it up last year and it was kind of, uh, mostly for pandemics that did hearty accessed, right? Yeah. Like it’s hard to get it’s you can’t um, it’s kind of like a, it’s a lot harder to get healthy. Like it used to be like impossible to get health insurance for like preexisting conditions.

[00:38:23] Right?

[00:38:23] Andrew: Yeah. I’m just thinking of the layers of good cop, bad cop. And at what layer that, that starts to become too much of a liability to book an event for January?

[00:38:35] Emily: Well, I mean, I think that at this point, like most of the insurance is kind of based around like, um, when the city canceled stuff, did you hear about Bonneroo getting cancer.

[00:38:47] Andrew: No, I didn’t really,

[00:38:49] Emily: it wasn’t because of COVID, you know, the rise in cases. Yeah. What happened was hurricane hurricane was Ida or IRA,

[00:39:00] Andrew: first one, Ida,

[00:39:02] Emily: Ida, uh, just dumped water all through the campgrounds and the Bonnaroo grounds. Um, and just made it impossible, basically flooded the entire festival grounds.

[00:39:15] So they couldn’t, they couldn’t have it basically decimated all of their camping. So that reduced their ability to have capacity pretty much immediately. They were like, if anybody wants to refund, they can get it. And then they were like, they went through, they’re like, oh, we can’t do it. So they had to cancel the whole event, honestly, probably for the best, but I feel so, so bad for the people.

[00:39:44] Their asses off to try to have a safe fun event. Like I’ve I went to Bonneroo like six years in a row. Some of the best times in my life dance with Bootsy Collins, like at one of the tens, like, oh my God. So fun

[00:40:00] Andrew: about running on a parade.

[00:40:05] Emily: And then the, the trail people, like, I know the tickets has rain or shine, but like, and it sucks.

[00:40:11] It really sucks if you like, spend a lot of money on gear and flights and took time off work. Like it sucks, but like it’s mother nature, mother nature, you know? So, I mean, they, they, it’s

[00:40:26] Andrew: not like you just tarp over the campground to keep it from flooding.

[00:40:30] Emily: Yeah. I mean, you cannot buy enough kitty litter, right.

[00:40:34] You can’t. And you know, it just was what a, what a terrible and unfortunate situation. So my heart is without. With everyone who worked to try to put on that event. And, uh, you know, when that kind of thing happens, please just be kind to the people who tried. They really tried. And, you know, they were as, if not more disappointed than you that’s their livelihood.

[00:40:59] Um, and who knows what that means for the

[00:41:02] Andrew: future of the festival, doxing him on Twitter is the right thing to do.

[00:41:06] Emily: God. Andrew had played a joke about that. Oh my God. Yeah. Then they did a little thing in Nashville. I think the Saturday or the Sunday night with, um, some of the performers, including, uh, definitely Phoebe Bridgers, I believe, um, Brittany from Alabama shakes and one other artist.

[00:41:27] But, uh, there’s some article I meant to read that was kind of that cancellation really testing some of those, some of those contracts for payments and stuff, because some people are gonna have to get paid.

[00:41:40] Andrew: Yep. No money’s going to be. Undoubtedly

[00:41:44] Emily: a lot, but that that’s, that’s when we’re insurance probably will cover some of those losses because it’s just, that’s natural disaster insurance probably is a clause that they purchased and just complete flooding of the fairgrounds.

[00:42:03] It’s gotta

[00:42:03] Andrew: count.

[00:42:04] Emily: Cause they’ve never had, they’ve never had the festival this late in the year. Um, it’s normally in the summer, so it’s never been during hurricane season.

[00:42:15] Andrew: Mine’s, it’s one of many larger events that I’ve heard of being completely botched. And in recent memory,

[00:42:23] Emily: oh, don’t say botched botched implies like poor planning.

[00:42:28] Andrew: Well, okay. Fair. So Baader was not botched. The other one of the, of sounds like it was poorly planned is the tame Impala concert, the Gorge over the weekend.

[00:42:39] Emily: Ingris get your ingress. So for those who aren’t familiar, ingress and egress is like the, the process of getting people in and out of an event. And it’s one of the more like essential elements of crowd control.

[00:42:55] Andrew: So my understanding loosely between a couple of friends who were there, one of them made it in one of them. Didn’t uh, and

[00:43:04] Emily: this is what it’s also a show it’s been rescheduled multiple times. The Gorge is a beautiful venue in, uh, central, Eastern Washington, just off the Columbia river. Yeah. And it’s, uh, an outdoor amphitheater, uh, where they’ve had festivals and stuff, just to give people a little bit of an understanding of it.

[00:43:23] So typically people will like camp overnight and have a big, fun party of a time.

[00:43:30] Andrew: I can’t do a lot of psychedelics from my, from what I’ve been told, I’ve never been, I’ve never been, but I mean, it’s a tame, Impala concert. Who are you kidding? So my end, I got a text from a buddy the other night and he’s like, I I’m.

[00:43:43] So, uh, GPS is showing 4.2 miles away from the entrance gate, just to the fairground. And he got there. He got there at like six 30 and this is at nine 30. He’d been sitting in his car for three hours. And you still several miles out from the gate, just in a line of cars, like 10, 10 30. That is one of the band finally went on, but they like pushed back.

[00:44:06] The band was Tim and Paul was supposed to go on at eight 30.

[00:44:08] Emily: Originally they pushed back two hours and still people

[00:44:12] Andrew: still people could not make it in. But the weird thing is the, my buddy that was in there and then a friend of a friend that was also in there were saying the place was packed and they were like, they’re looking at Twitter.

[00:44:25] And they’re really confused how there were still thousands of people outside because the place is completely. And so now there’s the, as of the other night, there’s people wondering, like, did they oversell tickets

[00:44:36] Emily: it’s over sell tickets by 10 to 15% for those kinds of things?

[00:44:40] Andrew: I’m sure. I’m sure. They,

[00:44:45] it just sounds like it was completely screwed up. It sounds like they also didn’t book the fair or the campground part of it. And so there’s like other people camping. They’re like, wait, what? Yeah, we’re just here to camp and just stuff like that. It was just like all reports and stuff. I’m seeing coming through Twitter.

[00:45:01] And it’s just so disappointing. Uh, it, it feels like the sort of thing that wouldn’t have happened pre pandemic. And I don’t know if people are just rusty, like everybody’s just trying to scrap this all together before Delta cases get too far out of control and people have to actually start canceling things.

[00:45:17] I’ve seen a bunch of tours get canceled last week. I don’t know what it is. So that was really strange to see,

[00:45:25] Emily: I mean, cases in Washington, like aren’t getting that much worse, but in other places, They kind of are still, I mean, Delta is kind of burning itself out in a lot of ways, but that doesn’t mean it’s getting better.

[00:45:36] He’s a very, very, very slowly going down in king county. Like very slowly, like out this, this spike is weirder than a lot of other ones, but yeah, that’s really odd that, that it seems so packed, but still there were lots of people still waiting to get in. So if it was really oversold by accident, that would explain why Ingris was so, so messed up because they’re like, how are there still cars?

[00:46:05] There’s no more room, right?

[00:46:08] Andrew: Ooh. I was folded, there was definitely no room for parking, so,

[00:46:14] Emily: oh, does it, does it, do you know, do you know if they sold parking separately?

[00:46:20] Andrew: Uh, I, I don’t

[00:46:21] Emily: honestly know. I feel like usually they do for those events, so. If there wasn’t enough, like carpooling happening that would explain that.

[00:46:28] Or like if people didn’t know they were supposed to buy parking separately, I have no idea how those events work. I feel too old to go to the Gorge for that kind of show.

[00:46:42] Andrew: I’d like to go someday. I did

[00:46:44] Emily: two things about it. I’m not, oh yeah. I mean, I just, it wouldn’t have to be the right show. Right. I’d see Elvis Costello as a Gorge, but I usually don’t have to.

[00:46:54] He’s not that big. He’s not big enough. I don’t think

[00:46:58] Andrew: he did play paramount.

[00:47:00] Emily: Paramount’s not the

[00:47:01] Andrew: Gorge. No, but it’s a nice, it’s a nice venue.

[00:47:06] Emily: Yes. We were all there together.

[00:47:09] Andrew: Good times.

[00:47:11] Emily: Yeah.

[00:47:12] Andrew: I just feel like the whole vibe around live music right now feels so strange.

[00:47:16] Emily: It does, I think. And I think people are trying to get back into the swing and the vibe and kind of forgetting like.

[00:47:23] Little basic things about how to be human. Um, so, you know, that’s, that’s kind of

[00:47:29] Andrew: part of that. I had a friend go to a metal show in Seattle the other night, and I don’t remember which venue it was, but I guess like the opener band straight up didn’t show up and just stuff like that.

[00:47:41] Emily: One show

[00:47:43] Andrew: I’d have to ask him.

[00:47:44] I honestly don’t remember.

[00:47:45] Emily: Was it like, what kind of venue do you remember? Like what kind of show?

[00:47:49] Andrew: Uh, basement, something like new most or something? I don’t know. I think it was in cap

[00:47:53] Emily: hill, but like, Barboza show

[00:47:55] Andrew: maybe I just got a kick out of it. Cause I’m like, wait, so opener gets a gig, like there’s limited gigs right now.

[00:48:03] So the bands that are out there, like trying, I presume are just all trying to land the available openings.

[00:48:12] Emily: You

[00:48:13] Andrew: just straight up don’t show up late. I think the only thing that would make that better is if they tested for COVID. It didn’t show up to the venue.

[00:48:20] Emily: Well, maybe they, maybe somebody got, maybe somebody tested positive and they just couldn’t find a replacement that fast that’s Blakely.

[00:48:27] I feel like that happened. That happened the same night that we play. There was a, our friends had a show in white center and they’re opening band someone’s to positive and they couldn’t butter placement fast enough. That happens. And that’s oh, sucks. So I felt bad for them. Um, yeah, another band I felt really bad for is, uh, I don’t wanna name names on this one.

[00:48:55] So I’m not gonna name names on either side, but this was kind of one that went through indie rock Twitter this week. And I was really surprised to see it, but it was a great example of why bands should, um, you should always find management that you trust, but even if you trust your manager, you should always make sure that that.

[00:49:14] You hold them accountable by staying CC’d on things as often as possible, following up on things as often as possible and not completely trusting your manager because this band, uh, was called out by an artist and designer that they had hired at one point, uh, to do album artwork, they decided to not use the album artwork.

[00:49:37] Um, seeing the artwork, I thought it was quite good artwork for like a show poster, but I, I tended to agree that, um, I would not have wanted it to be the album artwork either. I feel like they all more work they did go forward with was better and made more sense for the album. Um, but then the artists didn’t get paid the full rate.

[00:49:59] They got, um, uh, a 50% quote kill fee. For those of you don’t know what the kill fee is. Um, it’s a fee that says, we know you did the work, but we’re not gonna use the work. Um, here is an amount of money to justify that you did the work. And that you cannot sell the work elsewhere. I’ve gotten it for writing projects more than once.

[00:50:20] Uh, sometimes I’ve gotten it for pitches. I’ve got it for pitches that I’ve sent where they were like, we don’t want you to write that, but we don’t want you to write for anyone else either. Here’s a kill fee. Uh, and just like the one or two times that’s happened. It was usually when the, um, actually the, the last time that happened was they’re like, oh yes, please write that.

[00:50:44] Or they didn’t get back to me to approve it. And then they were like, oh shoot. We did want you to write that. Obviously now it’s not a timely article since we kind of messed up and didn’t let you pitch it elsewhere. Uh, how about we just send you a kill fee for it? And I was like, oh, sweet. I got kind of an idea.

[00:51:00] Yeah. It was a very kind thing to do. Um, so this artist, um, called out the band and. Then boy, did people come for this band,

[00:51:12] Andrew: uh, tag the manager, they’re going to go for

[00:51:15] Emily: the band. Yeah, even though it’s like the, I think the band is big enough that the person who’s in charge of this is typically going to be the manager.

[00:51:22] Um, because at that point you’re not like Venmo going somebody from your band account, your manager is kind of handling that. So the band made a statement that they had become aware of it. They were working on it. And by all means they very quickly dealt with this. And another artist also came forward that they had similar experience with the bands management, who they said, I don’t know if it’s the band or the management, but this happened to me too, in which case it tells me it’s the management, because it was the band you would know.

[00:51:51] Right. So, uh, it was really, it must have been a really bad day for that band. And, uh, really the next day was probably a really bad day for the management. I actually talked to one of the artists and I talked to the bank. It sounds like everything got cleared up really quickly, but man, that was a tough lesson to learn for that band.

[00:52:12] Um, artists deserve to get paid and stuff and they started to get paid quickly. Uh, it’s full if, you know, ultimately it doesn’t really matter who’s fault. It was I’m glad the artists got paid. Um, people can stop attacking the band though. I’m glad that whatever happened, may the artists get paid, but, uh, you know, it’s never okay to just it’s.

[00:52:36] And one of the artists said something that really stuck with me is that people are faster to bully this little indie band on Twitter than these big corporations that owe her 10 times the amount of money. Yeah. Which, you know, makes a lot of sense.

[00:52:53] Andrew: Let’s

[00:52:53] Emily: be honest. It is. It’s a lot easier. So, you know, the artist, you know, the first artist, I wish that artist would go back and write.

[00:53:06] Respond to the people who were continuing would have respond to people who are continuing to like shout at this band. After everything got resolved, she did create a separate tweet that basically says she’s still a huge fan of the band. And she’s being flown out to see them at their next show that she had actually just like the week before bought their record and really likes it and stuff like basically that she still likes the band.

[00:53:32] She just was really frustrated in that moment and made that tweet. And, you know, I’m glad she got paid. That’s the most important thing is that you get paid. Um, so yeah, so it really does sound like it was this big mess with the management and whether or not it was on purpose. It happened

[00:53:53] Andrew: CC existed for a reason.

[00:53:55] Emily: Yeah. So I saw another artist say, and this is why I make my management CC me on every single email, even though it makes my inbox. Um, like this is your name, that’s being managed. This is your reputation. And in this industry, your reputation is everything, right? So you, you know, you want to be on top of it and you want to be a part of it.

[00:54:23] You want to know how you’re being represented and like literally and figuratively, you know?

[00:54:32] Andrew: Right. And, and the nice thing though, is if you’re just, CC’d on an email, then you’re, you’re just reading for visibility. There’s no action items that go with that, unless there’s like a huge red flag that needs to be addressed.

[00:54:42] But for the most part, you’re just keeping up to date and it’s much easier to read through a handful of emails a day. That’s going to take you less time than scrolling through Instagram and or Twitter or whatever mindlessly for 15 minutes. Yeah. It’s very doable. If you prioritize it, um, to a certain volume.

[00:55:04] I think that’s way less intimidating to think of it in terms of, you’re just reading for visibility versus I’m reading. And I might have to respond to things.

[00:55:12] Emily: Yeah. Just, just for visibility. Cause then you’ll see things like pop up. Like if the artists had been like following up on payment for the third time, why haven’t you paid me?

[00:55:24] Or you can see when it’s, if somebody is like saying stuff, like try like negotiating their rate down by half. Like that’s not cool. And I’ll say like this, this artwork that this person put out was easily worth twice what the original fee was. And I, I am not super chill with how little they got paid in the first place.

[00:55:49] So, you know, you live and you learn and, uh, Heather. So those, you never know when you’re, when you’re doing art for a DIY or indie artists, you never know how big the album’s going to do again, or how well it’s going to do like the, the family of the Nirvana, nevermind album cover. They were paid 200 bucks that picture,

[00:56:15] Andrew: you

[00:56:15] Emily: know, um, in the nineties.

[00:56:18] Yeah. You know, that’s like, that’s like $300 in today’s money, maybe 250 bucks probably. Um,

[00:56:27] Andrew: I don’t have a running inflation calculator in my head.

[00:56:31] Emily: Yeah. But when somebody is like, gives, gives you a painting and they were essentially paid like 10 bucks an hour for the work that they put into it, minus supplies.

[00:56:40] Like that’s not enough money for an official meeting. So like artists, like we’re artists and we want to be paid for our work ice musicians. Uh, we need to make sure that we are giving graphic designer. The same amount of respect that we’re demanding for our own work. Yep. I’m going to say the same for writers like content, dip, dip, dip, that’s clacking on a keyboard like a Bruce almighty, uh, or that cat Jif.

[00:57:10] Um, yeah, yep. Thing. Uh, we need to make sure that one, we are respecting our own time and demanding rates that are fair. So we’re not working for free or cheap or rates that will hurt everyone else in our industry. And two we’re showing people other creators the same respect or not asking to work for rates that are offensive to other people and their industry.

[00:57:38] You know, like don’t ask me, don’t ask me to write a 300 word blog posts for 25 bucks. I’m not gonna do it. It’s offensive. Nobody that’s me to do that in a very long time.

[00:57:52] Andrew: Oh, I felt that I had a, so I went through, uh, negotiating some artwork with, uh, an artist I’ve partnered with for, for Fox Cairo. And they’re like, well, what, what do you want to pay me?

[00:58:02] I’m like, I don’t know what your rates are. I don’t know where to begin with. I I’m scared I’m going to low-ball you here because the work that you do is so great. I just don’t have a frame of reference. Can you help me out here? And so we were able to talk back and forth with that conversation was based out of a, I want to respect the work that you do and the rates and make sure that you’re being paid fairly

[00:58:21] Emily: and that’s a, your rates are right.

[00:58:24] Andrew: I think that’s a much more, I think, going into it with that mindset rather than how can I get this for as cheap as absolutely possible.

[00:58:32] Emily: Yeah, what’s fair. Cause I’m just completely ignorant about what design rates are too. They are just going to

[00:58:37] Andrew: ask

[00:58:38] Emily: for things. And frankly, like I’ll tell people, like, if I can’t afford you, then I can’t afford.

[00:58:45] You know, and, and that’s not me trying to then negotiate a lower price. That’s just me saying like good for you for what your rate is. I can’t afford that. So, uh, good and good for you. People

[00:59:00] Andrew: didn’t really

[00:59:01] Emily: pay that. Cool. Yeah. It’s like, I can’t afford everything I want in this world. Like, I can’t afford like the nice, the nice Volvo that I want, you know?

[00:59:13] So I don’t, that’s why I don’t know that at all though, you know, I can’t afford the house that I want, so I don’t own that house. You know, I’m not going to go up and be like, well, you know, you should give it to me. She gets me for what I can afford it for, because that’s stupid. I would, it wouldn’t work as it were for a house.

[00:59:29] It shouldn’t work for graphic design work or music worker copy

[00:59:32] Andrew: editing, Midwestern Midwestern gas station. You’re like, Hey, the, uh, gas prices being over $4 a gallon or, or a pretty offensive, why don’t we.

[00:59:43] Emily: You should do it for the love of selling gasoline. Right? Do it for the love of petrol. You just every once in everyone’s in petrol for the money these days.

[00:59:53] It’s it’s so it’s such a shame. Nobody just sells petrol for the love of it. Right.

[01:00:00] Andrew: I didn’t even offer to pun my petrol for me, heartless, just

[01:00:04] Emily: in it for money aren’t they petrol has gone to Potts.

[01:00:11] Should that be your next shirt? Petrol has gone to pot dumbest shirt, dumbest shirt. And you thought our schematic shirt available, like get offset podcast.com/shop was stupid.

[01:00:24] Andrew: I did not. Thank you. I thought it was brilliant. Well,

[01:00:26] Emily: you made it so thank you. Yes. I think it’s funny. I wish people would buy it.

[01:00:32] Oh, she wants subscribed to our Patrion. Cause we’re only $5 away from our goal. Okay.

[01:00:36] Andrew: Oh yeah. And the, the goal will be recorded on the. This is part of my procrastination processes. I’m going

[01:00:43] Emily: to, those are the grinders for those who are listening the high up humbuckers

[01:00:48] Andrew: yeah. Oh, there’s absolutely like a level of like, oh, I’ll get to this, but when I have the right equipment, just procrastinating a little bit, so yeah.

[01:00:56] Yeah.

[01:00:59] Emily: Cool. Well, that’s all I’ve got to talk about today and I feel like that’s been enough talking for the day.

[01:01:04] Andrew: Um, oh, uh, the other thing, the only other thing that’s completely unrelated is a shout out to Steve from, from Blue’s clues. I’ve got such a complicated relationship with Blue’s clues.

[01:01:18] Emily: I was a little old for blues clues.

[01:01:20] I still watched it a little bit, but I was like teetering. I was really good.

[01:01:25] Andrew: So like I, all my friends, my age, like Steve left me and when I was a kid, I’m like, I don’t know. I guess this is kind of fair. I’m used to this by now because I lived in the UK. When I was a little kid and they had a different Blue’s clues host, this dude named Kevin.

[01:01:45] And so I was used to Kevin and then like, I remember leaving the UK and coming back, uh, to the U S I’m like, oh, this is a different guy for blues clues. And like a couple of years later that dude left. I’m like, well, I mean, this is just life now. Um, it was like, it’s fair payback for me leaving Kevin. And yeah.

[01:02:04] So that’s that, that’s definitely strange. I’ve definitely got a very different, like every, like all my other friends, like you’re a traumatized by Steve went to go get a pack of cigarettes and never came back like that kind of a dynamic and, um, just completely blindsided by the disappearing father figure.

[01:02:18] And, uh, I kind of just had this weird, I don’t know either way. It made me cry. Uh, can’t lie about that part of a

[01:02:29] Emily: woman video. Did you watch mad men? No. Okay. Well, I saw one today where it’s C from Blue’s clues saying I never forgot you. And it’s Don Draper from the elevator scene in mad madman with, um, oh gosh.

[01:02:44] With one of them was one of those copywriters. Uh, and, uh, it’s from that scene where the copywriter says something like, I feel sorry for you. I feel bad for you, whatever. And then Don Draper looks at him and says, I don’t think about you at all. So it’s Steve from Blue’s clues. I never forgot. I never stopped thinking about your work.

[01:03:06] Andrew: I’d never thought about

[01:03:07] Emily: you at all. I never think of, I don’t think about you at all.

[01:03:13] And that was good. That was

[01:03:14] Andrew: good. That was good. Uh, I kind of want to put together like a, like, I’m probably so far behind on this. It’s no longer relevant, but the thought crossed my mind of like, having like this, like Stephen blue excludes me. Like I never forgot you. And then like, but pasting over like the dad from Ricky, Bobby on the.

[01:03:31] ’cause like he comes back into Bobby’s life. Once he becomes a famous NASCAR driver. There’s so many variations

[01:03:38] Emily: on that. There was this week’s Ted lasso who

[01:03:43] Andrew: have not seen any of the second season yet. I don’t know if I will, but I would like to retain the no spoilers for as long as I can.

[01:03:51] Emily: Well, you better start.

[01:03:52] Cause it’s good. I should

[01:03:53] Andrew: probably, because now I’m a soccer coach too. So there’s also that and I need inspiration

[01:03:59] Emily: football is life

[01:04:01] Andrew: football’s

[01:04:01] Emily: life. Yeah. All right. Well that’s all I’ve got. I’ve got, uh, lots more to do today.

[01:04:10] Andrew: Yeah. Uh, I was supposed to have this computer running by like Thursday so I could catch up on things and start migrating files.

[01:04:17] And it’s finally like rock rocking and rolling by Sunday afternoon. And that’s directly tied into like eight of my other projects. So I’m very behind.

[01:04:30] Emily: I feel not behind. I just feel a little, uh, I don’t know. I don’t feel behind. I feel like I’m moving. I got some stuff. I got some stuff ahead of me to work on and I’m really excited to have some, some new stuff to work on. It’s kind of a slow July and so July and August, but I got my, I liked it. I really liked that super river.

[01:04:56] I know you’re jealous.

[01:04:57] Andrew: I am a little bit, if you ever want to trade for a smaller amp? No. Sorry, but also if you wanted to borrow the back to do a shoot out side by side, if that would be helpful, you’re more than welcome to it sounds like a

[01:05:10] Emily: lot of work. Yeah,

[01:05:12] Andrew: no, maybe I don’t mind either way. Maybe personally, I won’t take a personal.

[01:05:20] Emily: Don’t make it personal. Don’t take it personal. All right, well, uh, thank you out there, please. Like comment, subscribe below. Check us out on patrion.com/get offset. Check out our merchant. Get us at podcast.com/shop. Uh, thanks for watching. Thanks for understanding until next time. My name is Emily. My name is Andrew good-bye.